₦airaland Forum

4real:
well most of nigerian websites are like that, well you guys check out this one www.9jafinest.com

The 9jafinest site is just pure template! With the quality of the real photos you can tell that the designs don't know jack about graphics.

Oh now i know which the other site is!

Afam:
Hello All,

Very interesting topic. Witnessed how 2 Nigerians that boasted about copied work being their original works were uncovered and they simply disappeared with the sites in question becoming unavailable for different reasons.

@Afam, great point there, but my question is who are the two Nigerians. Ok i know of the Nelly site one, but who is the second person?

@Farriel, my pointing out who the prophet is will make me also a prophet. Ok read post #208 by joftech.

Farriel:
Ah, why do you wish to be counted out, Oga Joftech.

As for you Kris, I have no idea who the prophet is, and I'd appreciate your telling me. So at least I can satirise him, like the Danes did.

Timmy, which one wey you slam yourself for the first position now? You dey forget say some very bad boys like Tommyruns (even though na Nelly be him chief inspirator na a very good designer,) and others are really tight?

You want to know who the prophet is, then read all the post by joftech.

Joan

joanny34:
Its interesting to know that the loud talking "Flash guru" has suddenly gone "AWOL" since his "sites" has been confirmed to be based on stolen ideas.I am sure if he had not made so much noise,his secret will still be secret.

Joanny34, i beg take am easy now, i never read any place wey the guy dey do loud talking. Na me you fit say do loud talking, but then it's not loud talking due to the heat i carry!

joanny34:
Kris, if the reason why you design websites is for dating,then you must go the way of Oasis and be a Seo expert.

Thanks for your advice, but i do all kinds of works, not only dating sites. And the dating site is doing great. Though my portfolio site has iframe, but still it's indexed by google and even if you search for "nike panna" my site shows up on the first page out of about 185000 results. Now that is something!

Well, people might think, what the hell is panna, well visit this http://nikefootball.nike.com/nikefootball/panna/hasFlash.html site to find out more. One of the competitors is even named after Okocha.
Once you are on the site click on "check out the highlights here"

Hey Farriel, i think their idea of giving the youth a future is turning them white.
Farriel, you need to read well to recognize the prophet among us, and don't make the mistake of drawing his face anywhere, for there will be trouble.

Man, that their website makes me laugh!

oba1:
I know of a web design firm in nigeria that is poised to serve us well,presently they have the cheapest hosting plan,webdesign charges, multimedia, print etc.they can even help you get good domain names for your company.their name speaks for them. www.sitepotter.com

I think oba1 is advert potter!

Make una give the boy chance to defend himself o, before una throw tire for him neck!
But that's surely not a template though, he created his from the ground up. He still has skills, and like i said before not anybody can design that site, though i'm not in support designing exact.

Tommyruns, keep up the good work.

whitesoftx:
Too bad

Please lets try to come up with our own thing! Be yourself! at least if you find something interesting, there are ways to modify it, not just put it down the same way you find it! come up with our own thing!

@whitesoftx, have you thought of it being his client who said staright up i want exactly like this. Clients are like that some times especially if they've seen sites they really like. But then you still need to have the skills to copy and still make it look good.

Take a look at this link to read on something similar to this topic: http://www.sitepoint.com/article/copy-great-designers-steal

@oasis, well since you've resulted to dissin this is the last reply i will give you, after this i will just ignor whatever you say.
While there are lots of shit i could write about you and your work, but i will not go that route.

So do you and i'll do me.


@timmy, if you can't take shit don't say shit. You are so wack that you use someone else's work as a crutch. Like a coward you tried to get Tommyruns against me, but he's not stupid to listen to you.
Talking about respecting your Elders shows how backward you are, you still leave in a world where the elders are right even though they talk and do shit like you. And just like oasis you are on my shit list and i wont reply whatever trash ya'll write again.

oasis:
Correct, those graphics are there that you mentioned. But I still don't see the flash/heavy graphics. I thought the discussion was about that? Funny you should mention 1px border in a discussion like this. My main logo is 8k. Compare that to yours that is 113k. I rest my case.

Your logo is 8k, www.sexynaija.com logo is less than 6k. It's funny how you take a picture on my site to be my logo just to make you look good, and that's why i don't want to talk to you about it.

Do you see me using flash for a dating site? Good designers use the right tool for the right job.

Yes you have to make your site search engine friendly, and nice looking too. When i talked about 1 pixel border, i was not talking about the size of it, but it's aesthetic role in the design.

The same people that teach you that content is king, probably told you also that finding a niche is one of the best things to do.
And that's why sexynaija focuses on Nigeria, and soon with our professional looking graphics we will take over Nigeria!

I did not dispute what you wrote 'cause i realized that there's no point in doing that with you. For example plentyoffish.com does not have all that crapy design as compared to oasisoflove.

You talk about selling other keyword, so what keyword would a person think of to be able to find your site? All the ones i tried didn't show oasisoflove any where close to the first few pages.

About flash community site check out:

http://www.habbohotel.com/
http://www.there.com/index.html
http://www.fusion-city.com/
http://www.mokitown.com/mokitown_prehome/home_en.jsp
http://www.jabbatown.com/

Of course you'd say but those are of their kinds and so they don't have fierce competitions, but that's what flash is all about. They are mearnt to add something to it, and not just produce the same thing you do with HTML.

oasis:
A case in point is nairaland.com. While the design has no flash, no graphics, nothing at all, it has good ratings in the search engines. Do you know why? I know why. Content is king. Not slow-loading flash/graphics. Any SEO person would tell you flash is a ratings killer, because the search engines cannot read flash.

So keep beating the drum of your bloated pages, and your framed pages. One day, you'd thank me for being so hard on you.

Once more, optimize your site or die. I've seen them come and go.

Your text right there really shows that you have no clue when it comes to graphic design, and i don't even want to talk to you about this topic no more. Who ever is reading this should take note of what he just said and what i will point out.

Talking about Nairaland.com, he said the design has no flash, no graphics, nothing at all. Well i guess you don't know what graphics and design is. If you notice the color combination, the placement of objects, the 1 pixel border and their colors, and you have the smilies and you still say there are no graphics! You see the well designed buttons, but you over look them.
Even on your site you have graphics there, well just incase you don't know.

You are talking about content is king as if you are the only one that know that. We've all read about articles over that. But what you don't know is that there are more than just one type of content.

Well you need to remember that slow-loading flash/graphics is something of the past people in developed country. The only thing bad about a slow-loading site these days is if the site is wack. But if it has great content, like dope animations then we will wait for it to load and enjoy ourselves, and many people will end up linking to them.

Yeah Timmy i'm so sick aids is scared to catch me! You dey wait to get to work where you use your boss internet connection to write trash on forums! And why e dey take you so long to call Tommyruns, i guess you never see credit borrow to call.

Well it's you who is reading and replying in anger from your text i can tell. Like saying stuffs like i grab templates and modify for use.
How can a dope graphic designer like myself do that? I'm too creative to do stuffs like that. And that's why i bring nigeria dope looking sites like http://karrygo.com/oldindex.html. Take a look at www.cards.sexynaija.com to see more of my designs, and then search around the net and see if you will find the template i used.

Like i said before i should not be talking to you on any of these, since you have no clue about design and it's impact. Why would i lie about my pagerank? If i would lie then i'd lie about www.sexynaija.com

I feel good hearing that you think that i bought the codes to my site, in a while you just told me that they are so good.

When you learn to design and come to realize that you can combine the two.

And if you realize i try not to take shots at you and your work, but that's what you do to me. But i can take it all, those are stuffs i've learnt to handle while in high school and same thing that made me one of the best yabbing guy in my school. But i'd try not to go that far on this one.

And i know that no matter what is said, you'd still think you are so right. So it's pointless talking to you about it.

@Seun, thanks for checking it out. I think the google thing has cache problems, like i saw myabe 6/10 for oasisoflove in the past but currently i see 0/10 and that's how i realize it's not always dependable.

First thing on my firefox browser here and other computers i've check www.christopherklau.com gets 3/10 on google rating. And you know what? On my firefox oasisoflove currently has 0/10, though i've seen a different rating in the past, so how much can you also count on the google pagerank, and yes i do know that alexa ranking is based on visits you get from people using alexa toolbar, but it still gives an indication. It's www.sexynaija.com that i know that still rates 0/10, but some how we are on google's first page if you search for "naija dating", while "oasis of love" doesn't even show your page in the first page. If i were to do all those hustle you do, with all those self review you post for yourself on other sites www.sexynaija.com would be rating a lot higher.

Ok this is what i got from godaddy

Registered through: GoDaddy.com (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: OASISOFLOVE.COM
Created on: 27-Jun-03
Expires on: 27-Jun-08
Last Updated on: 06-Sep-05

So from that i can say oasisoflove has been on since 2003, which exactly what you said about www.christopherkalu.com and www.sexynaija.com. You forgot that name registration is one of the first thing done, while launching of a site is done a lot later.

Here are well designed sites that are not more than 1 year old that rank the same or better than oasisoflove:
http://www.marazdesign.com
http://www.websitedesignawards.com/flash.html
http://www.mondayz.com/

and the list goes on.

Another thing you try to make it look like it's all about years of existence, but www.milliondollarhomepage.com was just created on on 23-Aug-05. It currently ranks 7/10 on google pagerank. And that site is not a fast loading one neither.

But i now know it's pointless talking with you over this, since you have no clue about the impact of design, so you just eliminate it and think that all your SEO hustle will do all the work.

The thing is that i know that search engine friendly sites have better chances of rating higher, but you are totally wrong to think that it cannot be combined with nice designs.

And none of the top 100 most visited site has crappy designs, and when i say design it's not only about graphics but position of things, sizes and color combination.

Seasoned web pro? Well, you don't sound like one. You'd rate higher than 3/10 if your site was visually well designed and attractive.

Farriel:
Tommy, your designs are remarkable. I reckon you're a master designs. Your Eedris stint is the tightest sight any Nigerian entertainer can boast of.

Timmy, wetin you wan hook up with am for? Na for mergers abi na to pick im brains, extract all the Flash and PS skills wey im get?

Farriel, i beg take am easy, you know the truth hurts, make you no finish off Timmy yet. But Farriel i feel what you are saying, it's always those that can't hold their own that always want to hook up with others sharp sharp. There's nothing bad in hooking up, but give it some time at least and make sure you have something you are bringing to the table.

Hey Timmy can we see those your designs that look like those of Tommyruns?

@Tommy, what a lucky boy you are, you found yourself Timmy to hang with. Trust Timmy is a really good guy, he'll do anything you ask him to do as long as he can be your friend!

joanny34:
Hello,
Timmy,kris and Oasis,i think its time for you to forget this mud slinging and look at the issues objectively,i`ve been to your sites and i discovered that while you are good at one point you are not too good at other points.
Web designing/development goes beyond what a man can say well i`ve arrived,even google and yahoo sites you sited don't display well with certain brosers and at certain speeds!!.
Instead of all these self proclamation lets see whats good in all of you and combine it,iam sure Nigeria will be better off,when you Timmy/Oasis combine your php with Kris`s design skills to come up with something every Nigerian can call Ours.

Akinlade T A
www.creativeminds-media.com

So things has been quite for a while but joanny34 added petrol and fire, and now oasis started again.

oasis:
What chris's designs?

If you want to succeed on the web, you must step away from graphics-laden/flash sites. They do not do well in the search engines. I've repeated this point time and again, but nobody seems to understand what that really means.

The primary objective of most websites is to attract visitors. But how do you attract visitors? By designing websites that load quickly, are search-engine friendly, and has content. Anybody who tells you otherwise is a newbie on the web. Having an eyecandy that is slow to load will not win you repeat visitors, period.

Always remember the popular maxim KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid).

Taking shots at me. Oasis talks as if his most visited site can compete with some of the nicely designed sites online.

You can try it yourself and go to www.alexa.com and check for the rating of www.oasisoflove.com and later check for www.tokyoplastic.com and see who has more hits. And you know what, www.tokyoplastic.com takes a lot of time to load if you are not using broadband. But some of us just prefer to view and link to sites like tokyoplastic than oasisoflove. So my brother it has a lot to do with target audience.

Nice work Tommy, keep it up bro! These are the type of stuffs i love to see from nigerians. But do you know that the link to your site is currently not working, well at least the two times i clicked on it.

I don't know about on a non broadband connection, but they load pretty fast on my machine.

Hey mike i saw that your site is listed as one of the worst naija sites! Good job buddy! You made it into history!

Yes you are right, most times it's all about who you know and not what you know. That's why www.yabdem.com was built so we can all join force together and yab dem!

So wetin you want make we do? Well if you want people to boycott glo, then post it on www.yabdem.com

Check it out at http://www.cards.sexynaija.com

yemupz:
kris, u sexynaija site go kill person o.
Kudos man. That's a great job

Thanks for your compliment, my head don dey swell!
If you enjoy www.sexynaija.com please spread the word to your friends and family!

joftech:
He can put a frame on a section of the page that will display content from other tech sites like news.com, linux.com etc.

He should remember, Google and Yahoo started on a single desktop PC with an hard drive that's less than a gig of data.

All he need to do is to jazz the site with Nigerian tech updates. I would have love to be contributing, but... where's the cheddar.

Yo no know pass money? Na wa for you o! After them give you money you go run and not write anything.

Sorry guys, for some reason i've not been notified of post and i've been busy with things, like setting up a forum for www.sexynaija.com at www.forum.sexynaija.com

Make una go go yab me as always o! Una kuku get phd for yabbing! Only dat kris still has some lives left!

That kennis site sucks for real. Please don't talk about flash effizzy or whatever. The trash animation is trash, i wonder why they did not have the guy dat does the animation for their sunday musica show. That guy is bad with after effects. Who ever wants to fight me over my opinion about the kennis site should first view some of these sites before they talk.

www.2advanced.com
http://www.thanea.com/ars/
http://www.jennysrealm.com/wildrealm/home.html
http://www.coca-cola.co.uk/
http://www.jmdst.com/
http://tokyoplastic.com/
http://www.blitzagency.com/indexFlash.html#home
http://www.120seconds.com/index.cfm
http://www.theory7.com/
http://www.designchapel.com/
http://worldwidedesigners07.free.fr/
http://www.nike.com/nikelab/usa/episode_3/index.jhtml?ref=
http://www.rabbitboy.co.uk/

And so many other ones i can't think of now, just visit www.newwebpick.com, www.thebestdesigns.com
To enjoy those sites you need a broadband connection, or at least be willing to wait till it downloads.

Yes flash has it's disadvantages and advantages, as long as it works for your target audience.

You can still get high traffic to your site even if it's flash though.

For all you using ie go herewww.ie7.com to get advice on ie7

Excited? Are you kidding? Ok guys lets go back to the real topic.

Can you guys list what you would want to see in the top ten naija designer site?

In your opinion, my love. That's why web design is so unique.........different strokes for different folks Wink

@b_e_b_e there's no such thing as different strokes for different folks, i have the official view of things and that's the end of it!