₦airaland Forum

Odewaleadesoye:
https://dailypost.ng/2022/01/03/there-was-no-attempt-to-kidnap-me-teni-clarifies/

Iya la Iya Anybody

@ Daboomb.
Big man is beside the issue. Right of entry is the germane issue here. Has d CP the right to enter the estate? Yes he has right by law. A police constable is empowered by law to enter the estate within working hours WITHOUT LET OR HINDRANCE. The CP claimed he was in company of escorts fully cladded in uniforms and he was duly identified for a period of 30mins. The estate is required by law to grant entrance without further ado.
The police works round the clock and are duty even in a social function. The best CPs in Lagos had been the club going ones. Cos that’s were the criminals retire to. It’s a great place to start crime fight.

@ Daboomb. I’ve tried quoting u 2ice but without success. So I decided to reply dis way.
Nigeria is not Canada. The laws are different. In America for instance, crude oil belongs to d individual on who’s land it’s mined. In Nigeria it belongs to the federal government.
Since d 70s all lands in Nigeria belongs to the government. Tenement rate and land use charge are not taxes really. But something like rent paid to the government for the use of the land. Private estates in Nigeria are far from private. All the roads running thru every estate is property of the local government in its vicinity. They all pay a STREET BLOCK rate, for erecting a gate blocking the road. The government can uproot it anytime. The only private thing in a private estate are the individual’s buildings. That’s d law

Kaysalas:
Be careful bro! Tread softly. Ask for recent trade statements/reports. Bearing his name and verify its genuine. Recent meaning one-two months ago max. Shine your eyes.

Tanx

lexy2014:
Good. Then answering the following questions shouldn't be a challenge for u:

If working time is 8am to 4pm, kindly answer the follow up question in question 4 below. Meanwhile, u are yet to answer questions 1, 2, 3 and 5:

1. Why was it wrong to have prevented the CP from entering the estate?

2. What law justifies the actions of the CP?

3. How does the secrecy of the DSS exempt it from the rights of the police?
What are those rights?

4. When is "working hours" for the police? At what time did the CP attempt to enter the estate?

5. Can u quote verbatim the law that says that "the CP is empowered by law to enter that estate at working hours"?

6. Can u show me the argument u are referring to?

Oh no. Its ur turn to prove the CP was faulty to have sought entrance into d estate and in locking up those who tried to stop him. Ur inability to prove these, is my prove dat d CP was very right. Thank u

lexy2014:
All the questions are a follow up to d claims u made on nairaland and not in a court of law. So kindly oblige us:

If working time is 8am to 4pm, kindly answer the follow up question in question 4 below. Meanwhile, u are yet to answer questions 1, 2, 3 and 5:

1. Why was it wrong to have prevented the CP from entering the estate?

2. What law justifies the actions of the CP?

3. How does the secrecy of the DSS exempt it from the rights of the police?
What are those rights?

4. When is "working hours" for the police? At what time did the CP attempt to enter the estate?

5. Can u quote verbatim the law that says that "the CP is empowered by law to enter that estate at working hours"?

My claim is simply that the estate is wrong in obstructing d CP. Let d estate prove me wrong by seeking redress in court. Their begging and ridiculous explanations looks like admittance of guilt. So why are u arguing up and down in their favor?

Plantiff:
Section 41 of the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria 1999 (as amended) provides to the effect that every Nigerian has the right to move freely anywhere in Nigeria.

By virtue of Section 4(g) of the Police Act 2020, the police force shall facilitate the free passage of streets open to the public.

Section 13 (b) of the Police Act 2020, further singles out the Commissioner of Police of A State and makes him directly responsible for the provision aforementioned in Section 4(g) of the Police Act 2020 above.

By virtue of sections 18 1(b) and (C) of the Administration of Criminal Justice Law of Lagos, 2015 (as amended in 2021) a police officer is mandated to arrest a suspect who commits an offence in the officer's presence or a person who obstructs the police officer while executing his duty without an arrest warrant.

The police does not only have power to access the public passage blocked with gates (which in itself is unconstitutional ) but also has the duty to arrest the private security guards and the woman for the interest of Justice.

Chai. U must be a lawyer!

lexy2014:
If working time is 8am to 4pm, kindly answer the follow up question in question 4 below. Meanwhile, u are yet to answer questions 1, 2, 3 and 5:

1. Why was it wrong to have prevented the CP from entering the estate?

2. What law justifies the actions of the CP?

3. How does the secrecy of the DSS exempt it from the rights of the police?
What are those rights?

4. When is "working hours" for the police? At what time did the CP attempt to enter the estate?

5. Can u quote verbatim the law that says that "the CP is empowered by law to enter that estate at working hours"?

U know Nairaland is not a court of law. If ur question 1-5 is right, I challenge d estate to get a lawyer and sue d CP.

lexy2014:
U haven't answered my questions:

1. Why was it wrong to have prevented the CP from entering the estate?

2. What law justifies the actions of the CP?

3. How does the secrecy of the DSS exempt it from the rights of the police?
What are those rights?

4. When is "working hours" for the police? At what time did the CP attempt to enter the estate?

5. Can u quote verbatim the law that says that "the CP is empowered by law to enter that estate at working hours"?

working hours is from 8am to 4pm. I can’t give u d section of d police act, I don’t have it off hand. But it’s there. Instead of asking repeatedly, I expect u to quote the portion dat say the CP cannot enter d estate. The DSS is a secret force and their operations is not as broad as d police. Infact they mostly spies. And operate best by using hidden identities.

Daboomb:
Maybe you are the same person above, because the ignorance is infectious!

So, Police can FORCEFULLY enter any PRIVATE property, at anytime but need a search warrant only when they want to search the property!

The above then raises a simple question (assuming what you said was right) : What will be the purpose of such forceful entry (without Warrant) into a private property? Perhaps to view the beauty inside?

FORCEFUL ENTRY into a private property only presupposes two things: to Search or to make an Arrest ...... and both things Need a WARRANT.

I dont know how to explain to you guys anymore, l guess it has to do with your mindset of "once it is the Police, they are above the law" and in that mentality, l cant help you.

All those statement about C/O shows you have no idea of what it looks like. Go and get one and read it!
Infact, when it comes to Land, it is a valid "Proof of Ownership".

BTW, Land use Charge is a form of tax, it does not take away from the Rights of a Land Owner

U do not own the land, u only own the house. Why pay tax for wot u own? The police can come to interrogate u in ur house. They can physically come and invite u to d station. Its not forceful. They have a right to come into ur house

lexy2014:
U haven't answered my questions:

1. Why was it wrong to have prevented the CP from entering the estate?

2. What law justifies the actions of the CP?

3. How does the secrecy of the DSS exempt it from the rights of the police?
What are those rights?

4. When is "working hours" for the police? At what time did the CP attempt to enter the estate?

5. Can u quote verbatim the law that says that "the CP is empowered by law to enter that estate at working hours"?

Listen to d estate’s defense. They denied preventing the CP. they say they were trying to assist the CP! Why? Cos dey know preventing the CP is big fvckup. Then they started begging up and down. If they know they are right, why are they begging? They can afford FEMI Falana and go up to d Supreme Court. They know their case is weak. U are d one just arguing blindly

lexy2014:
U haven't answered my question:

Can u quote the law in Nigerias statute books that gives the police blanket right to "enter the estate at anytime of the day without let or hindrance"?

U have not answered my question. Can u quote the law that say police cannot enter an estate? U are arguing upsidedown

lexy2014:
Can u quote the law in Nigerias statute books that gives the police blanket right to "enter the estate at anytime of the day without let or hindrance"?

The police act. Its to enter at working hours, without let or hindrance. U can download the act from d net and study it

lexy2014:
Why was it wrong to have prevented the CP from entering the estate?

What law justifies the actions of the CP?

How does the secrecy of the DSS exempt from the rights of the police? What are those rights?

The scope of the DSS is narrow. Only limited to national security. The police is all rounder. They have more responsibility. The DSS work in secrecy, meaning sometimes u cannot wait to get full legal backings b4 u move. It cud lead people to challenge ur legality. DSS sometime go around with d police. The CP is empowered by law to enter that estate at working hours. That’s d law

Sarmiz24:
The estate is a private property not a public office oga use ur head

All lands in Nigeria belongs to Government. PRIVATE has limits. Its not beyond governmental reach

lexy2014:
U still haven't answered d question:

What's wrong with stopping a commissioner of police?

A police man has right by law to enter the estate at anytime of the day without let or hindrance. That’s wot is wrong. Obstruction of a law officer

Daboomb:
You are exactly what you were called: IGNORANT!
Just read yourself

Once you are granted a C/O, the land becomes a Private Estate, even if it is for that 100yrs.
Govt or its Agent like the Police, needs a Search/arrest warrant to enter forcefully.
But CP was not even on an official visit, he came for Socialising at an owambe party, when then is he flaunting power recklessly?

Too many Nigerians like you are so ignorant of your Rights, that the abnormal, abusive behaviour of these Govt Officials have become normalised in your senses and you are allowing them to legalize it.

CP "Feeling embarrassed" is not an offense codified in Nigerian Laws, so he arrested those people illegally and should be sanctioned for it.

C of O actually means the land belongs to d government and u just a tenant on d land and dat u will be required to pay tenement rate going forward yearly. The police does not need Warrant to enter any property. They only need a warrant to SEARCH a property. They can enter and not search. If d estate believe d CP arrest was illegal, I dare dem to go to court

lexy2014:
U haven't answered d question:

What's wrong with stopping a commissioner of police?

Why not challenge his right to enter the estate in court?

JohnBullMySon:
When that incident happened. Hotel security asked DSS what they came for. They were not told anything. If they had a warrant, they would simply show it. They didn't have one and it's not the first time. Wike also stopped them from arresting a Judge without warrant back then, when Buhari was going crazy.

Ask yourself, Can that AIG enter Aso villa uninvited simply because he is a high ranked officer? He would simply be arrested for intruding.

Ur arguments are all twisted. Ask rock is a grade A security federal Zone. Its not the same as a private estate. In Addition. All roads in any estate are local government property. Meaning the police can enter freely. Infact magodo estate has a police station inside if am not mistaken. DSS is not the police. They are secret and do not have all the rights police has. Preventing the CP from entering was WRONG. If they don’t believe then let d estate take Odomusu to court. Wot were dey begging for??

drinoayo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDJWPg521jY

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CYRNJ5yhzkw/?utm_medium=copy_link

Since I like Teni, help me tell her to go and apologize to Shizzy. I will not say more dan dat

goodheart01:
Oga face reality that's all I say. This is a new year.

Wots d reality? Its my experience that people who don’t even know anything sling mud d most.

Ok

goodheart01:
You again. U like conspiracy theories and the worst is u make all your comments without concrete facts but based on hear sey and whatever gibberish u feel like saying. U don't sound learned and I pity u shaa. U need a lot of catching up to do with the real world.

U are off the mark by a huge margin. If I can find the podcast on THE DARK WEB I would send it to u, so u can cure ur ignorance urself. Why are governments, including the Nigerian government banning crypto? On my part, I don’t even fancy buying some USDT to get a fancy coin for a yr keep, and den resell. I don’t like the sound. Best believe wot am saying Crypto is d currency of organized crime

owagbeba:
Kidnappers do also come in police uniform and convoy.

Photo: Bello Turji (bandit) in police uniform

Very true. Dats Why estate guards shud also have a line dey can call for clarification if unsure of wot to do. They had 30mins according to d story to do any necessary findings. Yet they came short

GreyLaw:
No security guard is stupid and foolish enough to stop a properly identified security personnel. In fact, the truthnis that if they knew he was the CP they would have knelt down to greet him. They didn't know. Simple. The police are simply telling lies.

U may be correct. It is always saver to disbelieve the report of the police. It cud indeed be a setup. Lets hope d guards will come forth with their side of d story

HedwigesMaduro:
They have the right to come to my house without warrant. They have no right to ENTER without warrant. Do you speak English?

There are only two warrants am aware of SEARCH and ARREST. I am not aware of ENTRANCE WARRANT

FarahAideed:
Still not the faults of the guard , some estates have strict instructions to guards not to let police in without explicit permission from the estate leadership...this is to forestall cases of illegal harrasment of estate dwellers by rogue cops

In that case, the estate leadership should be arrested also. Those guards are lucky it’s not military boys they did dat to. They wud have been brutalized for nothing and ur English will not be enough to save dem

HedwigesMaduro:
It's many people's property. The many people gave an instruction to the security details that the many people employed that nobody comes in except one of the many people the person is looking for is called and notified. Now, is it clear or you need further simplification?

such protocol of entry cannot apply to the police, military, civil defense etc. dats the d issue

HedwigesMaduro:
So if a policeman carries a bottle of beer and wants to relax in your sitting room, all he has to tell you is that "I'm not here for search. I just wan relax". Then he has the right to do that, right? SMH.

listen to urself! Relax? Do u relax on duty? But police work is more dan search and arrest. Police has RIGHTS to come to ur house without warrant. Maybe u don’t know that the roads in the estate is the property of d local government?

AlhajiBitcoin:
Are these estates not operated this way ?

You call your host who is inside the estate and the person comes out to pick you up.

Understand that those guards are obeying orders.

Yeah u maybe right. The process is for security reasons. And should not have affected a security officer like the police boss. The guards are poorly educated or overzealous or both

HedwigesMaduro:
Basically everything wrong with Nigeria typed in four paragraphs. Did you know no policeman has the right to enter your property if you didn't invite it in (policemen and Nigeria (in)security agents don't worth using proper pronouns for), except it has a search warrant?

Dats if they come for SEARCH. Its not necessary if they come to invite u to the station or question u on anything.

SolomonGrundy:
How is that estate a public place for crying out loud Imagine a commissioner of police doesn't even know the law. Smh

The roads in the estate belongs to the local government