₦airaland Forum

so you require God to interprete the constitution, to know your rights, to raise alarm when things are wrong?
thou iNAIJA

Katsumoto: I get your point but let me provide an analogy to illustrate the options Awo faced.

A man is forced at gunpoint to get into a car by two other men but as soon as he got into the car, he realized that one couldn't drive and the other was drunk. He realizes that if he was going to survive, regardless of how long the journey was going to be, he had to offer to drive the car. Driving the car would have offered many advantages

1. Getting to the destination alive
2. Steering the car to a place where he escape (such as driving by a bridge and jumping into a river)
3. Won the affection of his abductors who may have given him his freedom or reduced the cost of granting him his freedom

Even though driving did not eliminate the risks to his life, he still had some control over his life.

Awo didn't want to be president of Nigeria; he wanted to be the president of Western Nigeria but once he realized that his destiny was tied to others, he had to do something to ensure his survival. Giving the way Nigeria as been run since 1960 with many vision-less (can't drive) and corrupt (drunk) leaders, can you honestly blame Awo for trying to be president? I certainly cannot and will not.

even with his sw presidential ambition, he couldnt create a political structure which created a vacuum in political leadership in sw.

his quest for sw leadership created the saga that led to shugaba of the previous alafin,
his policies were great for the sw but creating a political tdeology for sw is my concern.

he bit more than he can chew, he's choking.
he'll do away with regional leadership, and be counted as the commander in chief

alj harem: LOL

smh for you.

why u dey shake your head
(smh) shaking my head

Katsumoto: You mean 8 years is not enough to provide power in Nigeria? Japan turned off all its nuclear reactors after the earthquake last year and yet it hasn't suffuered from recurring power outages. OBJ had the time and resources to do something credible.

the last period we enjoyed uninterrupted supply was 84/85. i remembered ibb's comment when asked about his unimplemeted agenda by soyinka, he said so many toes were on the way.
bro, it takes years to clear those toes.
maybe if gej had not gotten a driving tutor we would be on a visible course, why his vision failed

La-Bella:
VANGUARD News

On April 15, 2011 · In News 

Lagos – The Lagos Asset Management Ltd., operators of LAGBUS, has introduced electronic ticketing (e-ticketing), the Managing Director, Mr Tunde Disu, said on Thursday.

Disu  in Lagos said that 71 buses in LAGBUS fleet had validators for E-Ticketing Card (ETC) but only 21 would operate e-ticketing at the moment.

He said that the 21 buses would ply three newly introduced routes on Lagos Island which he called Routes 53, 54 and 55.

According to him, Route 53 starts from  Leventis and ends at the Eko Hotels through Marina, Ahmadu Bello Way and Bar-Beach; while Route 54 is Leventis-Eko Hotels via Adeola Odeku Street and Bar Beach.[

Disu said that Route 55 would start from Obalende and end at Eko Hotels through Ahmadu Bello Way and Bar Beach.

Disu explained that commuters would purchase e-tickets at various points on the three routes.

The managing director said that the initial cost of the e-ticket would be N500 comprising N200 cost of the ETC and N300 worth of travel.

Disu said that transport fares on the routes remained the same and that a commuter could recharge his card with any amount after the initial payment.

“Any passenger on these routes must board the buses from the front door as the validator is inside the doorway where the card is to be used.

“The card is not personalised, it can be lent to family members and friends (though only one person can use it on any trip) and should be treated as cash. No refund is made at the loss of the card.

“We aim to introduce e-ticketing on more routes in due course,” Disu said.

NAN reports that the e-ticketing will be used on the three routes alongside the pay-as-you- go ticketing.

LAGBUS began operation on Feb. 17, 2007.

It currently has 535 luxury buses in its fleet, including air-conditioned ones.

The buses ply more than 50 routes.  (NAN)


http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/04/lagbus-initiates-e-ticketing/ 


What do you think ?

the 53 and 54 buses are repetition of routes in my opinion
54 should have been via 1004 and ends at eko hotel

the card should not be transferable.
5 people can use one card a day. thats loss of revenue.

nice comment from atiku,
we do not need goodluck but patience to steer the nation on course

you shd realise he inherited a rotten system that required a general ovehaul.
you require economic stability before growth and before eembarking on any project. time constraint was the major factor hence his limited achievement.

check the current govt with almost 2.5B dollar bugdet for a region, one of his major problems and why he was tagged a regional leader

a nice comment from mrs GEJ
need more language schools

[/quote][quote author=ekt_bear]I like OBJ. But while his actions were probably good overall for Nigeria as a whole, I'm not sure they were great for Yorubaland specifically.

So, mixed feelings on the guy.[/quote

baba is more nigerian than yoruba.
his actions paved way for current political climate, we'll understand his actions in the future.

i was only analysing him politically based on his ideology re SW
when ideologies clashes thats the result you get. everyone to his tent.

real_Berni: @kunlekunle,

since you have failed for the 4th time now to produce one country that practice democracy without encountering problem,you have confirm it below in your own last statement here;



you see, the greatest problem in nigeria is that people believed in PRODUCT and not PROCESS,their mind has been tuned that things can turn overnight like U.S and other developed country(as a 'product') without 'process', a common example is Ghana here, they are passing through their own problem and they are beggining to start reaping the dividends, because they cooperated and tackle their problem effectively. unfortunately you can hear from the news yesterday even recently of nigerians relocating to ghana,isn'nt that a shame? instead of facing the early problems normally encountered in democratic government they choose to run to ghana to enjoy ghana's riping dividends 'product'.

this is not party party PDP,ACN,ANPP etc affair,its a generalised curruption in average nigerians,most of our problem are man-made expecially boko-haram, during IBB it was a time bomb,and buhari it was kidnappings and inflation, to hell with political parties,if you think you can tie our problem to political parties,then you are a joker, with small brain,and all you know is chop-i-chop, and maybe because your party is not winning then no free money for you to eat.cant you even see that you cannot sustain your claims!

its a shame to have unimformed people like you without nothing to gain from.

just hear yourself below;



if i have to compare PDP with my defination of which you said is same with yours,let me start with yours first;

KUNLEKUNLE;i'll define oligarchy for you.
[size=14pt]govt of the people by the few for the small few.[/size]

Who are the few? and the small few bros? is it few tomato or few onions for the few what-ever?
a primary school pupil will not give this kind of porous defination heading nowhere.

now with half baked education people like you, tell me if you can have any impact constructively in the parliament? when you cannot even give a common defination clearly!

now you are there condeming president jonathan out of ignorance, im not a party man to hell with parties, but i see what i can contribute to the economy.but those of you chop-i chop, 'je-ko-je-nibe' parasites with nothing to contribute,its unfortutunate to even share the same country with you.

i know that you will insult, its a syndrome of illiteracy you can go on, but logically i have exposed you on this page as s'one having nothing offer except that you felt that a political party has blocked your free party national cake sharing. he he heeeee, i laugh in yoruba.

i rest my case,you are not worth my time.excuse me!

if i were to insult i would have insulted you a long time ago.
its not my culture to act like that, however you hurt on this issue we are both looking for ways out for nigeria. What you dont understand is the basic principle of politics and democracy.
we all voted GEJ into the office (govt of the people)
of the few (elites, Abujacrats and the asocrat)
very small few (pdp)
hope you understand me now.
think what you are thought or you read.

you think he would rule with decree? no
his govt would be participatory democracy whereby tom and harry would have a say.

if you are refering to WAI you still have KAI and the LASMA doing the same thing

there is no malu in nigeria, the problem is he did not bully people but when people say something, but didnt have anyting to say there is problem.
so remember this adage it takes a wise man to advice a wise

T9ksy: Neither am i but yet can discern an "Omoluabi" when i see one.

so you can discern tinubu from miles away as an omoluabi.

T9ksy: Like i wrote earlier, ayathollah buhari's solution to every problem is brute force.

He grew up with malus and to get malus to do anything, you beat the living daylight out of the mothaxxxxx.

Even now the man still spew violent rhetorics whenever he's confronted with a problem.

No, we are not malus to be beaten to conform. if he wants to rule anyone, let him go and rule his people up north.

we do not need an ignorant, inarticulate blood-thirsty bully like him, down south.

I rest in the knowlegde that he will never smell aso rock.

A general concept of a reasonable man and mind is that such mind or person would change based on new hypothesis.
Apostle Paul in the bible too hated xtians to the extent that he was haunting them around to ba jailed. he was present when stephen was stoned to death.
But a moment of realisation and truthfulness of issues were dawn, he became a better xtian than other apostles. He worked and spread the gospel with vigour.

whan a just man speaks the truth, hearers tends to act on it.
so jesus told the people jerusalem would be destroyed, he was attacked, he further told them that was minor even this temple where you worship would be destroyed. years later they all came to past.
so jesus' statement destroyed jerusalem? NO its the saying of a just man.

if you are a lawless person then you'll consider his regime a brute.
the number one rule of any dveloping nation is orderliness, then other things could follow.
simply obey the rules.

you are ignorant of the fact.
politics 101
no country in the world practices democracy on its own it does not work.
even where it started you can see the poblem, when legislator can vote themselves omney from the treasury, then demcracy is dead. they will drain the treasury.

real_Berni: @kunlekunle,

you ask me a question,and i have answered yes, and i ask you a question below;


but instead you have not answered, NAME ONE COUTRY THAT RUN GOOD DEMOCRACY NOW THAT THEIR DEMOCRACY NEVER EXPERIENCED EVEN WORSE THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW, YOUR ANSWER BELOW IS NOT ADDRESSING THAT;



anyway you gave your own opinion,that what is being run in nigeria is oligarchy, but where were you when IBB/ABACHA were despotic?


do you even know the full defination and 'application' of oligarchy system of government? let me give you the defination,and countries that run it and compare if they are not better than Nigeria;

first,
oligarchy fully defined and applied;

An oligarchy is a ruling body composed of a committee of shared leadership. In most cases, the members of an oligarchy share leadership in a sort of bureaocracy that allows different people absolute power over certain aspects of government. It has been argued that [size=14pt]Communism as established in Russia and China can be considered an oligarchy because the governing body, the Politboro, makes most decisions and its members tend to have lengthy terms.[/size] The difference between an oligarchy and a democracy is that the shared leadership is not dependent upon the will of the people. Members of an oligarchy achieve their leadership through selection from within the already established members. Therefore, an oligarchy is actually a form of shared dictatorship in which the people have a limited role in the government.

pls again,name one country that operates smooth democracy without first undergo what nigeria is going thhrough now, just one, no name calling.

i'll define oligarchy for you.
govt of the people by the few for the small few.
do away with text book knowledge, think what you are thought.
my definition and yours are the same.
compare PDP with your definition

T9ksy: EXACTLY!!!

They didn't beat the living daylight out of their people to enforce the law.

Plus the govt generated a lot of funds into its coffer at the same time.

All buhari knows is violence. But then what would one expect from he who grew up with malus?

i can understand your reasoning,
you think if he was voted for he would rule by decree.
no no no bro
its a democratic society, he is a civil man that will rule just.
why people are afraid is they are not virtuos enough and wise enough.

All his 84/85 policies are currently in use in south america, you can imagine nigeria now from then

real_Berni: @KUNLEKUNLE,


yes we have democracy, and give just one country that its democracy was very smooth from the on-set, just one please,im waiting.....

and from your statements i can see that you have little experience in life, evident in the way you breezed through the whole write-up.

anyway you cannot force buhari on anyone but yourself, thanks

you seems educated but you cant apply what you learnt, thoeretical knowledge does much harm.
democracy is the govt of the people by the people and for the people.
you dont know when a nation has deviated from its course.
now in nigeria we have oligarch.
govt of the few (elites)

i was very much around in buhari/idiagbon era. i condemned it then, when i realised how wrong i was. i was sorry for myself and the nation.

ask farouk

real_Berni: @kunlekunle,


ok, no problems,

maybe we should return to military rule, because the present 1999 constitution has been rendered impotent by the military because of the immunity clause and very controversial room for the legislators to manuever things, for example farouk lawans case whereby he admitted to have collected a money,but up till now he cant produce the money,and he is walking free is largely due to his constitutional right on immunity,and because of this constitutional rights, jonathan cannot force the legislators to act outside the constitution.and if jonathan seek an amendment to correct that,the legislators knows what they are up to hold the right to accept the amendment on the immunity or not.

so as it is now, not even pastor Adeboye or Alhaji Adegbite or name any perceived good man in the society that can change anything in this present nigeria.

so military rule is the only government that can address problems fast the way you want,but then you as a citizen hold no right to know whats going on in the government,because the government hold the right to manuever things the way they want without public knowledge.

and i think thats where you guys seem to be getting things wrong,democracy allows you and i to be heard when we critisize the govnment without fear or intimidation, we have access to imformation through press,and that is why we can evaluate things going on in the government ourselves,but this is a taboo in military rule because when they starve you of the knowledge of whats going on,they cover their tracks.
for example;
lets see buhari's brief profile,

Buhari moved to silence critics of his administration, passing decrees curbing press freedoms and allowing for opponents to be detained up to three months without formal charges.

He also banned strikes and lockouts by workers

and founded Nigeria's first secret police force, the National Security Organization.

His government sentenced popular musician and political critic Fela Kuti to ten years in prison on charges that Amnesty International denounced as fabricated and politically motivated

Kuti was later pardoned and released by Buhari's successor IBB.

In another high-profile incident that sparked a diplomatic incident with Britain, British officials found Buhari's former transportation minister drugged in a crate marked for shipment to Lagos.

just because its not fresh in the memory of many does not portray buhari a better man for nigeria.


i actualy served as NYSC in his hometown Daura in katsina state,his 2 yrs rule as president is not even evident in the town, the illiteracy level in the town is another topic,as many are not even encouraged to go to school.

i dont have anything against the man,but pastor Bakare is just fighting only for his selfish ambition but playing on the emotion of frustrated nigerian to achieve this.but the profile of who bakare is fighting for is a 'die hard jihadist' 'born to rule activist'.lets tread softly pls.

a very simple question
do we have democracy in nigeria now?
we are in the period of GENESIS CHAPTER 1, where there was no other.

you need buhari as a person to rule at the top

after the amalgamation of nigeria, lugard in his team had a council that consisted the emir, sultan, alaafin, obi and two other unelected officers. there role in governance was relegated to nothing because of their inability of the language english.

you cant rule out traditional core values in governance. the oba saw and knew what was on the ground regarding performance of the gov. the peoples' voice was the kings decision and he made his position known cause of lucky the gov and what he experienced.

please was that meeting scheduled or GEJ just crashed in to visit

her decisions are of inteligence but her actions lack moral and ethical stand.

many of my friends hated all these schemes till they travelled.
one was arrested for not using seat belt. 45GBP fine
one was caught urinating in a corner after some drinks 50GDP fine
one was caught drink drive. first offence fined, second offence fine and lost points on license, third offence license was revoked.


the schemes were supposed to be a way of live if adhered to would be our habit.
democracry comes with rules and regulations thats why its naturally practiced today in western world

koruji: You mean by all [size=18pt]LOW[/size]standards, right?

May be that is why he chose two incompetents to head the nation after his tenure.

he wanted to be a back seat driver

the question is was the meeting scheduled?
if not the oba was right

T9ksy: The fact that you have to ask the question shows you are not one.

if yes or no am not into politics.
your response can stir the ground for a sw leader.

real_Berni: @KUNLEKUNLE


most of you talking here where were you in 1983 when buhari overthrown 'a democratic gvernment of shagari' if bakare/buhari is our savior, buhari set us into 16 yrs military exile until it forcefully ended at abacha's death.
To refresh you a bit, buhari hates criticm,just ask people, he closed down daily times newspapers for criticm, he ordered the turture convict and jailed fela kuti for 10 yrs so also beeko ransome kuti,but the sentence was cut short by IBB in 1985,just 2 yrs,fela and beko freed.

go to buhari's hometown and see almajiris in thousands roaming the streets begging for foods, many of who are now ready made tools for 'boko haram'

pastor bakare was on a paid mission to break the christianity community to support the north in 2015 as the hausa fulani vows to gain their power back at all cost.

but that buhari will change anything? its laughable,but lets watch.

you are good in politics but you cant analyse whats on the ground.
the problem we had in 83 is repeating itself.

oligarchy is the govt of elites, tell me if democracy is not dead.

what we have now is the gov of the people by the few for the small few.think over it and tell yourself the truth.

why buhari took over the govt, democracy was dead.

T9ksy: Both OBJoke and MKO would never be considered as “omoluabi” in the proper Yoruba cultural context hence when OBJ was jailed by his partners-in- crime, the yorubas didn’t shed any tears for him. They remembered how OBJ rigged the ’79 election in favour of his hausa/Fulani puppet masters.

Same thing transpired when Diya who comes from the same LGA in ijebuland as my good self was held on a trumped-up coup plot. Yorubas never forgot how he (diya) looked the other way as abacha-his boss, sent many Yoruba sons and daughters into exile or 6ft under.

Ditto, MKO who was neck in with the northerners in the late 70's and was actually vilifying the old sage to the great amusement and benefit of his northern allies but unfortunately our detractors who don’t understands us failed to appreciate what really transpired during the june 12th saga.Despite his magnamousity, MKO had trampled and rubbished the yoruba culture to the extent, he could not be placed in the same mould as an, "omoluabi". The yorubas weren’t exactly fighting for MKO per se but rather for the fact that, here was a man who majority of the populace voted for, to be their next president so no group of people(in the country)had the right to then arbitrally scuttle the election just ‘cause it didn’t fit in with their ulterior and sinister motive.

Its akin to how the yorubas fought for the drunken fisherman with no shoes during the “yar adua-can-rule-from-his coffin” shenannigan that saw turai relegating Badluck to her bag-lady.

It’s all about fairness and justice(to all)which forms part of the bedrock of the yoruba cultural identity and norms.

who now in SW is an omoluabi

is this democracy?
can someone help me define oligarchy

that means more dollars for the masses
otedollar

[quote author=noblezone]No, not at all. He spoke more like one of the Jihardists than like a man of God.

You simply distorted the Holy Scriptures to suite your selfish interests. The Lord Jesus was prophesying, Bakare on the other hand is threatening war. Even Paul you mentioned, you rightly stated that he went to court, he did not call for violence.

Bakare and his companion of violence in the person of Buhari have been celebrating the blood of the innocent since the days of "wild wild North" campaign.

Recently, Buhari was talking about "baboons and monkeys" and how their blood will flow in 2015. Tlll date, the General is yet to explain to us which tribe or religious group that constitute the population of these "animals" whose blood must flow.

Bakare is no diffrent from Buhari: both are selling violence to Nigerians and I must say that everything is wrong with it. Every peace loving Nigerian should stand up and say NO to this hypocrisy.

From Bakare's message, it appears that even Buhari is now better than him! At least, Buhari is ready to wait till 2015 for his "River of blood". Bakare wants in in October.

Jonthan is great leader else, Bakare should be arrested and tried for treason.

Yet, October will come and go and if Bakare and his likes will not give peace a chance, God whom he calls upon will turn against him.



if you knew your right, you would not talk asuch
[size=22pt]the kingdom suffer violence. and violence taketh it by force.
the children of this world are wiser than the children of light. (the PDP guys are wiser than nigerians][/size][)
Bakare is simply telling you you cant legislate against corruption, you dont need legislation to get eletricity, water, jobs, good roads etc.
go to abuja and get it