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Do you know anything about sufism,lady?
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I know. they are mystic.

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jagunlabi:
More like the islamic version of the christian gnosticism.They are probably much closer to sufism than islam.

How best can one interprete what you wrote above. You've clearly written that they are closer to sufism than islam but you said:
"What lovely characteristics! If only the other islamic factions can adopt the same characteristics! which would mean they are muslims as you have catergorised alevism as an islamic faction.

Why do christians tend to read and interprete things upside down?
Who is guilty here muslims or Christians.
, anyone who murders any person who had not committed murder or horrendous crimes, it shall be as if he murdered all the people." (Qur'an 5:32)
Why do muslims kill to go to "paradise"

jagunlabi:
Key Alevi characteristics include:

-Love and respect for all people (“The important thing is not religion, but being a human being”)
-Tolerance towards other religions and ethnic groups (“If you hurt another person, the ritual prayers you have done are counted as worthless”)
-Respect for working people ("The greatest act of worship is to work”)
-Equality of men and women, who pray side by side. Monogamy is practiced[/list]

What lovely characteristics! If only the other islamic factions can adopt the same characteristics!

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jagunlabi:
More like the islamic version of the christian gnosticism.They are probably much closer to sufism than islam.

Now you write against them.

Why do muslims kill

To be saved you have to be born again.
Heres what the Torah(Old Testament) says about the Messiah

The Messiah would be rejected
See Isaiah 53:1-3.
Although Jesus was accepted by some people as being the Messiah, he also was rejected by many people. In fact, the rejections led to him being executed, through crucifixion. Isaiah, in the 53rd chapter of the book of Old Testament book of Isaiah, foretold that the Messiah would be rejected. Despite what some modern scholars try to claim, the prophecies of Isaiah 53 have been widely regarded for many, many centuries by Christians and Judaists as being about a Messiah.

The Messiah would be born in Bethlehem
See Micah 5:1-2.
About 2700 years ago, the prophet Micah prophesied that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem, a small village near Jerusalem. Jesus fulfilled this prophecy about 2000 years ago. Although Jesus was raised in the town of Nazareth, he was born in Bethlehem.

The Messiah would be a descendant of King David
See Jeremiah 23:5.
There are many Messianic prophecies in the Old Testament that predicted the lineage of the Messiah. In Jeremiah 23:5, as well as in other prophecies, we are told that the Messiah would be a descendant of King David. David ruled over the land of Israel about 1000 years before Jesus was born. Jesus is recorded in the New Testament books of Matthew and Luke as being a descendant of King David.

The line of kings from David would endure forever
See 2 Samuel 7:16 as an example.
There's more than one Messianic prophecy in the Old Testament that predicted that the line of kings that began with King David, about 3000 years ago, would be everlasting or eternal. History shows that most dynasties throughout history, throughout the world, were lucky if they lasted more than a few generations. But, because Jesus is fully God and fully human, he is able to be both eternal and a descendant of King David. Jesus is unique in his ability to fulfill this promise that God had made to David, that his throne would endure forever.

Daniel predicted when an anointed one would be rejected
See Daniel 9:24-26.
The prophet Daniel provided a chronology of events that included the revelation that the Messiah would be rejected before the destruction of the second Temple in Jerusalem. The Romans destroyed the Temple in 70 AD, about 40 years after Jesus was crucified. The Temple has never been rebuilt.

There would be a son called God
See Isaiah 9:6-7.
Isaiah, who lived before the time of Jesus, gave a prophecy about a "son" who would be called "Mighty God." Jesus, the Son of God, is fully human and fully God. As such, he is both "son" and "Mighty God."

Throughout the Psalms and prophets of the Old Testament there are countless prophecies about what Messiah would be like. They particularly focus on describing how he would die. Judaism's refusal to accept the idea of a Messiah who dies can only be due to their inattention to these prophecies, a few of which are now presented:-

Old Testament prophecy Fulfilment in Christ
"My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Ps. 22:1). These were the very words of Jesus on the cross (Matt 27:46).
"I am despised of the people. All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shake the head, saying, He trusted on the Lord that he would deliver him: let him deliver him" (Ps. 22:6-. Israel despised Jesus and mocked him (Luke 23:35; 8:53); they shook their heads (Matt. 27:39), and said this as He hung on the cross (Matt 27:43).
"My tongue cleaveth to my jaws, they pierced my hands and my feet" (Ps. 22:15,16). This was fulfilled in Christ's thirst on the cross (John 19:28). The piercing of hands and feet refers to the physical method of crucifixion used.
"They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture" (Ps. 22:18). The precise fulfilment of this is found in Matt. 27:35.

Note that Ps. 22:22 is specifically quoted as applying to Jesus in Heb. 2:12.

"I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and am an alien unto my mother's children. For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up" (Ps. 69:8,9). This well describes Christ's feeling of estrangement from his Jewish brethren and his own family (John 7:3-5, Matt.12:47-49). This is quoted in John 2:17.
"They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink" (Ps. 69:21). This happened while Christ was on the cross (Matt. 27:34).

The whole of Isaiah 53 is a remarkable prophecy of Christ's death and resurrection, every verse of which had an unmistakable fulfilment. Just two examples will be given:-

"As a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth" (Isa. 53:7) Christ, the Lamb of God, remained silent during his trial (Matt. 27: 12,14).
"He made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death" (Isa. 53:9). Jesus was crucified along with wicked criminals (Matt. 27:38), but was buried in the tomb of a rich man (Matt. 27:57-60).

It is little wonder that the New Testament reminds us that the "law and prophets" of the Old Testament is the basis of our understanding of Christ (Acts 26:22; 28:23; Rom. 1:2,3; 16:25,26). Jesus himself warned that if we do not properly understand "Moses and the prophets", we cannot understand him (Luke 16:31; John 5:46,47).

That the Law of Moses pointed forward to Christ, and the prophets prophesied of him, should be proof enough that Jesus did not exist physically before his birth. The false doctrine of the physical 'pre-existence' of Christ before birth makes a nonsense of the repeated promises that he would be the seed (descendant) of Eve, Abraham and David. If he were already existing up in heaven at the time of these promises, God would have been incorrect in promising these people a descendant who would be Messiah. The genealogies of Jesus, recorded in Matt. 1 and Luke 3, show how Jesus had a pedigree which stretched back to those people to whom God had made the promises.

The promise to David concerning Christ disallows his physical existence at the time the promise was made: "I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, I will be his father, and he shall be my son" (2 Sam. 7:12,14). Notice the future tense used here. Seeing that God would be Christ's Father, it is impossible that the Son of God could have already existed at that point in time when the promise was made. That this seed "shall proceed out of thy bowels"shows that he was to be a literal, physical descendant of David. "The Lord hath sworn in truth unto David, Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne" (Ps. 132:11).

Solomon was the primary fulfilment of the promise, but as he was already physically in existence at the time of this promise (2 Sam. 5:14), the main fulfilment of this promise about David having a physical descendant who would be God's son, must refer to Christ (Luke 1:31-33). "I will raise unto David a righteous Branch" (Jer. 23:5) - i.e. Messiah.

Similar future tenses are used in other prophecies concerning Christ. "I will raise (Israel) up a Prophet like unto (Moses)" (Deut. 18:18) is quoted in Acts 3:22,23, which defines the "Prophet" as Jesus. "A virgin (Mary) shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel" (Is. 7:14). This was clearly fulfilled in Christ's birth (Matt. 1:23).


Isaiah 53
But he was wounded because of our transgressions, he was crushed because of our iniquities: the chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his stripes we were healed. (the Crucifixion of Jesus)

He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via Solomon (1 Chronicles 22:8-10, 2 Chronicles

Isaiah 52:7
How beautiful are the feet of the Herald on the mountains, announcing peace, heralding good tidings, announcing salvation, saying to Zion, "Your God has manifested His kingdom."

Isaiah 11:10
He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations.

All who believe in Jesus will be saved
See John 3:16.
There are, according to some scholars, nearly 2000 prophecies in the Bible. Some of those prophecies make is clear that no matter what happens to the world, or to you, salvation is real, and you can have it. Anyone can have salvation. Salvation is guaranteed for believers, and that means forgiveness of sins and eternal life in heaven. One of the Bible verses that promises this is found in John 3:16, which says:For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life


Yeshua is the Messiah Yisraylite, He died for you Yisraylite, all nairalanders and the whole world. You should come to know Him TODAY!

jagunlabi:
Key Alevi characteristics include:

-Love and respect for all people (“The important thing is not religion, but being a human being”)
-Tolerance towards other religions and ethnic groups (“If you hurt another person, the ritual prayers you have done are counted as worthless”)
-Respect for working people ("The greatest act of worship is to work”)
-Equality of men and women, who pray side by side. Monogamy is practiced[/list]

What lovely characteristics! If only the other islamic factions can adopt the same characteristics!

@ jagunlabi
They believe they don't have to kill people to be in "paradise"

Alevi muslims refuse to worship in mosques.
They are part of Turkey's 15 million strong Alevi Islam. Interestingly Alevi muslims believe in the Unity of allah, muhammed and ali, a doctrine which closely resembles the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. Although they say its not a trinity, Alevi's believe muhammad and ali are representations of divine energies, the first of which is allah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alevi_Islam

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Dear Yisraylite on nairaland, you have to be born again to be SAVED.
John 3:16 says; For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but shall have eternal life.

It doesn't matter the amount of lies you have spread against the Jewish Messiah, Jesus will forgive you, first you have to ask for forgiveness and accept him as your personal Lord and saviour to be saved.

Yisraylite, i know you use the Torah(Old Testament) but you believe Judaism and Christianity are false. You even called Hanukkah(The Jewish festival of Dedication) Jewish crap.Meaning you are not Jewish nor are you a Christian.
This should help you,
Isaiah 53:5
But he was wounded because of our transgressions, he was crushed because of our iniquities: the chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his stripes we were healed. Yeshua is the Messiah Yisraylite, He died for Yisraylite, all nairalanders and the whole world.
Everyone has a purpose in life the most important which is to find God.

The most IMPORTANT prayer
If you want to be Born Again and be saved say the following prayer:
Lord Jesus i come to You today, i am sorry for the sins i have committed against You , the Holy Spirit , Elohim and other people(name the sins and ask Jesus to forgive you for the ones you can't remember), wash me with your PRECIOUS BLOOD, cleanse me and forgive me, I GIVE MY LIFE TO YOU TODAY AND I ACCEPT YOU AS MY PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOUR. Amen.

If you prayed the above prayer and believed what you said then you are BORN AGAIN.
I could be useful if you need spiritual advice or prayers.

Shalom haMashiach(Peace of the Messiah).

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muhsin:
Hello,

I never know "mast-urbation" means azalu.

Well, you might have read where that was stated as allowed in Islam. The case is twofold: I know some "liberal" Muslims see nothing wrong in that despite the fact it's not halal.

And the secondfold: Some Muslim scholar, who are still considered "liberal" see the action as simple a descouraged one, which a Muslim/Muslimah is allowed to do once in a long period of time.

BUT both two points are not purely on the right track. The act is not allowed in Islam as aptly explained Deen4me above. May Allah reward him for the response.

Thanks

The way they wrote it in true love(West Africa) edition was as if all muslims do view mast-urbation as not being wrong.

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Girls, Never marry someone you only love marry someone whom you know loves you. When in a relationship with a man, never you throw yourself at his feet or marry him when you suspect his heart is not all yours. There are simple signs to know a man loves you. Examples include; How interested is He in solving my problems, How attentive is he when i talk to him. If a man loves you, your problems becomes his problems and when problems are solved together love becomes thicker. There are of course other signs to show that a man really loves you apart from the ones i have written but never marry someone you only love.
Finally never agree to be a stay at home mum it can ruin your future.
Love. Lady 234

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I read with my own eyes on True love(West Africa) edition that mast-urbation is allowed in Islam. I will check if that edition wasn't thrown away. It was sometime this year.

chukwudi44:
It is really amazing that you jewish folks are stillting the comming of the messiah almost 2000 years after he came and fulfilled his mission.

All the prophets from Moses,David,Isaiah accurately foretold the comming of Jesus christ.You Jews just ssimply misunderstood the message,you were obviously expecting a warrior kind of messiah who would physically fight against your enemies.

The messiah came down to suffer ,die and pay the ultimate price for our salvation ,this was explicitly prophesied by Isaiah and other prophets.

The messiah you are still waiting for has come and gone,better beleive the message now and convert to christianity before it is too late.

@ Chukwudi44
Yisraylite is not a Jew. He even calls Judaism crap and says Jews(Israel) are not the choosen people of Elohim. However its surprising that Yisraylite uses the Torah(Old Testament). I pity him.

@ Yisraylite
Dear Yisraylite on nairaland you need to give your life to Christ and accept him as your personal Lord and Saviour to be SAVED. Stop promoting anti-Judaism and anti-Christianity.

Shalom Shalom. Lady 234

Sometime this year I read in True love magazine(West Africa) edition on their article about mast-urbation and they wrote that mast-urbation is allowed in Islam. So is it allowed in your brand of Islam.

Why does RCCG celebrate Christmas and still say it doesn't celebrate Christmas.

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No2Atheism:
I would now amend my post to remove all references to my opposition to the issue of Hannukah . . .

@Chukwudi, @Lady and @Eden Okon . . .

1. You were correct and I was wrong . . .about Hakkunah being mentioned in the New Testament . . .

2. I still do not believe in the Apocryha based on my earlier given reasons. . .

Apologies accepted. Will you celebrate Hanukkah.
By the way have you used www.bing.com today you would have seen how a menorah looks like.

What if the feast of Dedication was not recorded in John would you have observed Hanukkah.
Happy Hanukkah

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hmm, i first posted it on the religious section and you deleted it, now i have brought it to the Romance section and you want to delete it again.

Mind you, i posted "How many wives does Yar'Adua have" in the Romance section and you deleted it. Does that sound religious or ROMANTIC to you. I'm becoming tired of nairaland.
I'm still Lady 234.

Why do muslim men marry kids. In Northern Nigeria it is common to find kids who can't explain what puberty is being given out in marriage to men the age of their dads or grannies. I wonder why the Federal Government cannot stop this. That is why they get Vesicovaginal FISTULA. Why do muslim men marry kids.