Jazakallah khairan for the post

Newnas:
Keep trolling around, looking for opportunity to spread your unpopular misguidance of hating the companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum ajma'een

Lemme share you some facts Mr. AlBaqir the misguided deviant;

# Your posts are long, tasteless and unimpressively unattractive. So the layman abhors it.

# You don't even speak the language of knowledge so your sham is obvious to the student of knowledge.

# Your posts and comments depicts someone who's socially dead and lacks a hobby!

# You most likely are suffering from inferiority complex and lack of self confidence or maybe you are probably a loser in real life. why? You come online and fight the air, writing long critics for scholarly opinions. my advice to you; pick a day, debate with Jabata and upload the video on nairaland!!! Fatality ni yen Confam!!!

#OlOdO

My advise to you, repent before its too late!

"Knowledge is useless without manners". Imagine, a person that you have NEVER met in your life and you are calling him a loser and even qualified him with bad adjectives. SubhanAllah! Is that what your Islam teaches you?? Calling people names all around, if you could qualify someone who shared some pillars of Islam with you with all these adjectives I wonder what you will do to a non Muslim.

The Quran says Surah An-Nahl 16:125 invite to the Way of your Lord with wisdom and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. Truly, your Lord knows best who has gone astray from His Path, and He is the Best Aware of those who are guided.

Adab is very important in Islam, many left Islam because the way people corrected them or invited them to Islam was with abuses and name calling. May Allah assists us

Iolite:


Wow! I like your argument. Spreading hate is the biggest problem of the world now.

Wallahi my sister, hatred won't solve anything, it only increase our enmity.But these folks don't know this. May Allah assists us and unite us on goodness

Newnas:


firstly; If you were a shia, I might not bite you, but you are not a shia and you still defend them blindly! Tell me why you don't deserve a bite!

Lol, you have bitten shias many times on this forum by calling them names and moreover, I am not one and not defending shias whether blindly or knowingly. But what I know is that everyone deserves equal compassion and I won't let my creed to push me to the extent of seeing myself as the 'saved sect' or that I am better than a people because of belief.

Newnas:
You see, you don't defend a person that you know little or nothing about. Even the shia don't deny it, it's in their books, so why are you defending them blindly.

Firstly you don't know me nor my knowledge about shias, then how valid is your claim? Many people write books and even if it's in their books, it is stereotyping for you to believe all shias believe just as folks still believe ALL SHIAS curse companions. There are extremists in all sects, I judge people individually and not what someone claims a whole group believe.

Newnas:
I'll give you an example of my daunting posts regarding them here on nairaland;

www.nairaland.com/3015474/nail-shia-coffin-must-read#44187308

please visit the thread. I invited AlBaqir to the thread repeatedly but he kept evading and hiding.

Some dialogues are tiring, I have ignored many threads of such in the past with Christians on NL. I ask, what is the purpose of the thread? To learn or to mock? When people open threads with the sole purpose of mocking, no matter how much logical reasoning and evidences one gives, that person won't accept because his intention wasn't a pure one for learning. Even if he's wrong, he won't accept cos arrogance will push him to not eating his words.

Newnas:
secondly;

Didn't you see the references?!

The problem with these shia is they don't read their books!

I can write something and just put a reference like "Al Kafi, Volume 2" or "Saheeh Al Bukhari Hadith 45". I read a Christian's book against Islam and they wrote hadiths with references but on checking those hadiths don't even exist! I have dialogued with a Christian here on NL and he quoted a lot of Quranic verses, on checking his claims never tally with the verses.

So what are you saying?

For example, I am a Yoruba and it's written in Yoruba classical historical books which virtually all Yorubas believe in that orunmilla was the first person on earth and when he came to the earth, everything was water and he came with an eight legged fowl and a cup of sand. He poured the sand on the water and the fowl began to step on the sand and spread it across the earth. All places the fowl touched became land and where it didn't touch remain water and that's how the earth was formed. So I, as a yoruba boy should I believe that because it's written in our books? Or those myths and superstitions present in my culture? Can I say "But it's in my books and I must believe it". Same thing some things in sunni books which some sunni believe while others reject it and that doesn't make them less a sunni.

Newnas:
I'm yet to know why, even AlBaqir that quotes and interpolates texts from books doesn't quote from their books.

In my research, I found two reasons for this;

# The shia have lost hope in their religion and are only concerned with misguiding others

#The shia want their ugly creeds to be hidden from the generality and don't want them to be known except to their loyalists.

Lol, your headache though.

Newnas:
I'll post example(s) for the second reason. As for the first then it's obvious that even you are ignorant of what the shia books contain!

As for your question about my possession of the books, even the softcopy, Allah knows that the information I have in hard-copy about the shia is far richer than what I have copied and pasted!!!

You have challenged me, and I will post referenced examples on each allegation.

Patiently waiting, but it's obvious you copied this from a site.

This thread of yours is laughable, I don't know there are still people like this on Nl ignorance is a bliss though. So people still believe shias have a separate Qur'an? Yucks Or Jubril made a mistake of appointing Muhammed as the Prophet? You even claimed shias believe Allah lies and forgets when this is clearly against the Qur'an (Surah Taha 20;52)? I am sure you are unaware of Shi'a Hadith jurisprudence that ANY HADITH that goes against the Qur'an is rejected. (Even if that hadith exists). You even claimed shias believe 'All prophets are beggars at the footstep of Ali', that's ridiculous where in reality shias reject any narration that places any companion above the Rasul. You even claimed shias believe Qur'an isn't complete whereas an hadith in sunni books says a goat ate the scripts of the Qur'an and no account for the verse. All these are pure lies.


I ask you a sincere question, how many of those books you quoted have you set your eyes on ? Even soft copies, why the hatred? The copy and paste won't solve anything. How many shias have you met personally and dialogue with?


Before you bite me, I am no Shia

thorpido: Now you're showing the kid you are.What sense is there in what you just wrote now?
Looks like some nursery rhymes..

Allah will remove you from fire meaning distance from fire.Are you satisfied now?Don't bother quoting me again.I have agreed Allah will remove you from the fire distanced from it.

I swear you are not making any sense.Not everyone has your awkward thinking

eyeopener:

It is you who cannot comprehend statements expressed in simple English because your brain has been manipulated by your god like Muhammad was when allah was tampering with his brain by making him to forget revelations.

In that hadith only Muhammad and muslims are in Hell wanting to cross to Paradise, so simple. It means when muslims die they go to Hell waiting for the Judgment Day before crossing to Paradise.

There are a couple of things I can solve,but I can't solve your comprehension problems.Keep wallowing in your betise and fatuity.Don't forget your swimming trunk bro.

thorpido: You don't follow Jesus,you follow Muhammed.Big difference.
You're calling a spade a working tool.Even simpletons can see it clearly.

'Removed from' is simple enough.
A spade is a spade.......whether closed or opened mind.

Chai chai why do you failed to read between the lines for goodness sake? Can't you read or you've comprehension problems or what exactly is your condition?

Lanreylan: I am simply following Jesus in the bible,a product of his words in THIS ASPECT.
If calling someone lost sheep is an insult,then I will gladly accept that I was schooled by christ in THAT ASPECT

If calling you a lost sheep is an insult,then I am simply following Jesus in that aspect because he also called people lost sheep.

But even in the general sense,do you yourself follow Jesus?
Jesus believed and worshipped one God,I believe the same.You believe in trinity.
Jesus bowed in his prayers,he never dance kurukere and azonto in churches,you do and I don't,I bow in my prayers.
Jesus never clap hands and beat drums in his worship,you do and I don't.
Jesus performed ablution and taught his disciples the same,you don't do that I do.

So who's following Jesus? You or I?

You can decipher the meaning of 'removed' into anything that suites you,that will always be your problem and never mine.Just remember that not everyone has the same thinking as yours.

thorpido: I won't reply you with insult.I know you are a product of what you've been taught and how you've been taught.
I was only showing you what is obvious which you tried to twist.

I am simply following Jesus in the bible,a product of his words in this aspect.
If calling someone lost sheep is an insult,then I will gladly accept that I was schooled by christ in that aspect.He also adressed people as such and other names like 'A' generation of vipers',etc.
I am not twisting anything here,the explanations are clear enough for those who choose to learn.You can be an antagonist with a closed mind,that's always your problem and never mine.

eyeopener: Moses, Abraham and Jesus are not mentioned there because they are not muslims. Only muslims are there in Fire.

Guy,you've got comprehension problems,so all muslims are apostles and Muhammad(pbuh) will be the first of apostles to cross abi? I can't cope with tomfoolery,islamophobes can never think straight.

eyeopener:

I don't think it is worth still talking with you if you can try to twist what is so clear to every reasonale reader. My advice to you and your fellow muslims is to be ready for hell immediately after death. That verse and the hadith talk about what will happen in the Day of Judgement, But before then muslims who die will be in hell fire till the Day of Judgement. I feel like crying for you!

Quran says it and hadith interpretes it, yet you want to twist it to deceive. Anyone who can read simple English should be able to read and understand. I pray you will not remember today in Hell.

Cry for yourself brother

thorpido: I'm intrigued by how you worked one of the definitions of removed to favour your argument.Distanced from is not applicable in this case.
Removed as used in that verse means to take away from the position it previously occupied.Like when you say the cup was removed from the dining table.

I kind of wonder......why put them in the fire in the first place to later remove them?

Says the lost sheep.You can choose what you like,that's not my business.The Qu'ran says in Surah An-anbiyaa 21:101-103 -Verily those for whom the good has preceded from Us,they will be removed far therefrom (Hell)
.They shall not hear the slightest sound of it (Hell) while they abide in that which their ownselves desire.The greatest terror on the Day of Resurrection will not grieve them, and the angels will meet them, with the greeting:"This is your Day which you were promised."Is that my own definition of removed? Bye

1.AND ONLY THIS NATION (MUSLIMS) WILL BE LEFT WITH ITS HYPOCRITES.
This means it is only the muslims that are left there in the hellfire.
2. Allah will call them, and As-Sirat (a bridge) will be laid across Hell and I (Muhammad) shall be the first amongst the Apostles to cross it with my followers.
This shows all muslims will be there in the hellfire irrespective of whether he is righteous or not because Muhammad, the most righteous muslim is there too and will cross first.
3. HE WILL ORDER THE ANGELS TO TAKE OUT OF HELL THOSE WHO WORSHIPPED NONE BUT HIM (Allah) ALONE.
Here again stresses the fact that it is ONLY the muslims, who believe in One-
God, Allah alone the hadith is talking about.
4. Allah has forbidden the (Hell) fire to eat away those traces. So they will come out of the Fire, it will eat away from the whole of the human body except the marks of the prostrations.AT THAT TIME THEY WILL COME OUT OF THE FIRE as mere skeletons..............
They will have been so badly burnt and come out like mere skeleton despite that fact that when they were in this world, [/b]they prayed so seriously to Allah to have gotten the mark of prostrations. Those who do not have the mark, though muslims are unfortunate.

Please how do you reason? How does event that will be a gathering on the of judgement amount to gathering in hell? Didn't you read this?

Allah will call them, and As-Sirat (a bridge) will be laid across Hell and I (Muhammad) shall be the first amongst the Apostles to cross it with my followers.Nobody except the Apostles will then be able to speak and they will be saying then, 'O Allah! Save us. O Allah Save us.'

So if we are to go with your stupid assertion and interpretation when Muhammad(pbuh) and his followers are crossing the sirat,abraham,Jesus,Moses and other Prophets(Peace be upon them all)will be in hell fire abi? Cos the hadith says Muhammad(pbuh) will be the first to cross out of the apostles,so all the rest of the apostles are where? Fire? Authubillah,may Allah forgive me.I don't engage in silly argument with some inept and footle peeps.It seems all NL christians are intellectually bankrupt.
You can read this
www.nairaland.com/1302542/muslims-hellfire-pending-resurrection-day

eyeopener:

Where is the lie? "Whoever is removed away from the Fire". Isn't this clear enough? They will be inside Fire first before they are removed and admitted to Paradise. For how long can you afford to stay inside fire before you are removed?

I am still looking for the word 'inside' in that verse.Removed simply means an abstract distance,check your dictionary and stop making false claims.'Whosoever is far distanced way from hell had indeed successful' that is meaning of the verse.Stop cooking nonsense.

eyeopener:

It is quite regrettable for her leaving life for death. Leaving peace for jihad. Leaving a promise of heaven for a promise of hell (Surah 3:185). Is that not regretable?

Surah Al-Imran 3:185 -Everyone shall taste death.And only on the Day of Resurrection shall you be paid your wages in full. And whoever is removed away from the Fire and admitted to Paradise,he indeed is successful.The life of this world is only the enjoyment of deception (a deceiving thing)How does what you says tally with the the verse quoted?
Chai,chai Nairaland christians lying since 900 A.D.
Apostle Paul's followers,I hail oo.Evangelism by lies

deols: the antispambot banned you.

wait for a few minutes and you will be unbanned.

For what? Moreover,the thing banned me twice.

What's the meaning of all these moderators? My username lanrexlan has been banned on this thread www.nairaland.com/1439895/contradictions-inconsistencies-errors-holy-quran
And I did nothing wrong,I didn't break any rules,no offensive post and my post was even hidden.Any tangible reason for banning me?

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jude4us: Your topic almost sounded catchy. I think you only want to make the front page. You tried actually. I wont argue with you. I don't have the time to beat a horse which has decided to remain dead as a misconception of the truth.

I have no business with front page bro,just wanna show the truth.Refute the op if you can.

A combination of vulgar and refined conducts which are credited to righteous prophet like Isa (True Christ) denotes a serious confusion and a great problem in Christendom,surely it is not from God! And one wonders what happened to ‘Holy Ghost’ when ‘devil ghost’ was parading itself? Bible says God is not author of confusion but peace” 1 Cor. 14:33. Who then confused the Christians in this matter? That is a broken bottle to chew!
No doubt there are fabricated and false ‘Jesus’ in the Bible which accounts for innovating the bogus and misname ‘Jesus’ and strange doctrines at a time when Isa true Christ had disappeared from the world and imaginary and fake ‘Jesus’ was being reported by dubious writers.This is the reason why the Jehovah Witness,a sect of Christianity,have chosen and written in their publication
‘What Does God Require of Us”-1996, that true ‘Jesus’ did not die on a cross,he died on a pole or stake.The Greek word translated “cross’’ in many Bible means just one piece of timber.The symbol of the cross comes from ancient false religions.
The cross was not used or worshipped by the early Christians”,while other sects choose another ‘Jesus’ that died on a cross; surely one must be Isa (true Christ) and the other fake ‘Jesus’.Christians are myopic to this fact and it reveals that they do not know their true lord and his qualities.

A Jewish leader, Aghasili says, “The name of the Messiah,the saviour of Israel was not a Greek or Latin substitute such as is employed.He was born into the tribe of Judah,he was an Israelite,logic tells us these people spoke Semitic languages and called themselves by Hebrew names”. ‘Jesus’ therefore is another entity, the false lord - god of the apostatized Christians,in their false faith and hopeless salvation.This according to bishop of Awka Fr Simon quoted above,is annoying him. However Isa-the true Christ has warned them all, through what is contained in Matthew 7: 22-23 which reads “Many will say to me on that day, lord, lord did we not prophesize in your name (‘Jesus’) and expel demons in your name (‘Jesus’) and perform many powerful work in your name (‘Jesus’)? And yet then I will confess to them(I am not ‘Jesus’,) I never know you! Get away from me you workers of lawlessness” Matthew 7: 22- 23. What a great disappointment and disgrace!

Muslims reject the diluted ‘Jesus’ altogether,we strongly oppose the worshiping or following a ‘confused lord-god’ of this distorted ‘Jesus’.We are in line with those worried immediate disciples of true Christ. The Cambridge Encyclopedia -1994 second edition, states: “Some scholars have been pessimistic about efforts to reconstruct the life of ‘Jesus’ at all from our Gospel sources and have distinguished between the ‘‘Jesus’ of history’ and the ‘Christ of Faith’,with only the latter being theologically significant for faith.More recent scholars have often attached greater importance to the historical ‘Jesus’ for Christian faith”


Having separated the chaff from the grain you can now select your choice of ‘‘Jesus’’. But Muslims cannot be satisfied with this diluted and unaccredited biblical ‘‘Jesus’’ as St. Paul confessed “we know in part and we prophecies in part” 1Corinthians 13:9.For any reasonable man,this Paul’s statement nullifies all other convictions and belief in Christianity for there can be no genuine faith when a question remains unanswered. Where part is known and part unknown! But I tell you the ‘Grace’ and ‘Atonement’ doctrines are being used as cloak to cover the greater part of the unknown ‘Jesus’ of history.Nevertheless whatever the length and thickness of the garment of falsehood used to cover the fragmentary ‘Jesus’, Islamic truth will discover and expose it!

For example how can we reconcile the statements:“I have come not to set peace on the earth but to set sword,and to cause violence among family” Matthew 10: 34-35 with “Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you” John 14:27.Or one who boasted:“whatever you ask in my name I will do it “John 14:14.With “I can do nothing on my own authority…” John 5:30.

There is no evidence that Paul did not borrow the ideology and imbibe the spirit of the fake Jesus through his numerous confession of being deceitful when conscience pricked him.Though it was said, he blinds the man,but he was still living. Paul might have done that to take over the job of the fake Jesus,which Paul seems to represent in totality,and the blind man became is secret master!
The above paragraphs reveal the ‘two ‘Jesus’ in one’ or an ‘equivocal ‘Jesus’ in the shadow of truthful one.The ‘masquerade ‘Jesus’ or his concept crept into gospel right from the time of the so called ‘crucifixion’ of the supposed lord ‘Jesus’ Christ (Luke 22:42),as all the disciples abandoned him and fled the scene at the time of his crucifixion (Mark 14:50).Therefore did not know whether or not and which ‘Jesus’ was put to the alleged cross and the history of fictitious death was hijacked.Finally and unfortunately for the concept of the fake resurrected ‘Jesus’,he appeared to the disciples and he was suspected and noticed for the first time “and when they (disciples) saw him (‘‘Jesus’’) they worshipped him but some doubted “Matthew 28:17. You ask doubted what? Doubted if he was the real and old ‘Jesus’ who was taken to the crucifixion tree; and they suspected that a resurrected soul cannot assume the perfect human body. The new task he dictated to them on the spot: “Go yee therefore and teach all nation “Matthew 28:19 as against the true christ’ earlier command.“Go not into the way of the Gentiles and into any city of Samaritans enter ye not. But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel” Matthew 10: 5-6, became strange. There and then everything in history of true Christ teaching changed. Such differences are based on imagination, falsehood and self-desire that assume personality of another Jesus.

The question now is,why the equivalent and translated form of name? Why not call a spade a spade? Knowing fully well that, “if it is like him,it is not him and cannot be!” Father Simon A. Okafor commented:let us address God properly and be aware that an error in pronunciation or writing somebody’s personal name,talk less of God and Creator is always annoying. Meaning that whenever any Christian calls ‘Jesus’,he is annoyed and he is angry with you.Consequently your salvation in the misname continues to melt away.The Aramaic Yesa cannot prove too hard to pronounce for Christian world as they are versed in ‘speaking in tongue’,and there exist tens of difficult names than that of Yesau in the Bible.
If there is a lot in a name why did Christians decide to change Yesua in Hebrew to latinized English ‘Jesus’? The case is far more than mere using equivalent and the misname ‘Jesus,’or one that can be imagined,the secret of choosing this translated name ‘Jesus’ by the Christians is that, there has been a mix- up, another ‘Jesus’ is in play as double and doubtful ethics are being reported for the name ‘Jesus’ Christ in the Bible.Any of the so called contradiction in the New testament is not all that deliberate or is it a mistake but it is due to the presence of a strange ‘Jesus’ in the mirror of true Christ, it is the word of an unknown ‘Jesus’ coming out from the mouth of the true one, which the Bible writers are incapable of separating and they lack the holy spirit and technique to exorcize.

We have studied the Bible and we found therein alloyed ‘Jesus’ i.e. fake and real ‘Jesus’ in the personality of true Christ. But the Muslim characters of real Christ exhibited in the Bible supported by Qur’anic evidence have helped to separate the biblical mixture of the ‘Jesus’.There exist other three (3) ‘Jesus’,fake persons bearing the name ‘Jesus’,which their obnoxious and sinful characters with writers’ imaginations were credited to the profile of Isa (True Christ).Christians are trying to cover up the mix – up with ‘Jesus’ Christ.The first among the fake ‘Jesus’ was the one attributed above as the writer of Ecclesiastes with conceited utterances (Ecclesiastes 1: 16) or possibly ‘Jeshu-run’ who kicked against and forsook God who made him’ (Deuteronomy 32:15).The other two were contemporaries of Isa (True ‘Jesus’).One ‘Jesus’ was Paul’s fellow worker as narrated: “And ‘Jesus’ which, is called Justus who are of the circumcision. These are my fellow workers unto the kingdom.” Colossians 4: 11.
The third one was “Bar-Jesus’ ,a false prophet – false ‘Jesus’ and a sorcerer, as reported: ‘’And when they had gone through the isle unto Pa-phos they found a certain sorcerer,a false prophet,a Jew, whose name was Bar-’Jesus’ Act13:6.
This false ‘Jesus’ (Bar-‘Jesus’) was said to be child of Devil,the one that has been camouflaging as the true ‘Jesus’ in the city and has been mistaken for him,he has cast confusion into the hearts of the then faithful, he uttered statements contrary to that of true Christ,and instilled wrong faith into the acclaimed Christians,he was full of conceit, unmannerly conduct and by these perverted many souls Acts 13: 10.

There is evidence that this Bar-‘Jesus’ was the one who appeared and indoctrinated Apostle Paul with all his deceitful practices 2 Corinthians 12: 16.Many statements and deeds recorded for biblical ‘Jesus’ cannot be accepted for Isa of the Quran but credited to presence of fake Jesus found in the Bible.

Today,there is no name under the heaven that commands respect and even deserves to be worshiped before the Christians other than ‘Jesus’ Christ,a native of Jerusalem born in Bethlehem and Jewish by tribe.The name ‘Jesus’ is claimed to be divine so it must be respected and correctly pronounced and written.Surprisingly and ridiculous to say,there is nothing like the word ‘Jesus’ known to the Israelite Jews or the Gentiles of his time and birth place.He was never addressed as ‘Jesus’.Today Christians do not know the real letters that make up the original divine name brought by angel Gabriel,yet they call ignorantly on ‘Jesus’!
Is the word ‘Jesus’ an Aramaic – Hebrew? This would sound funny,but it is a serious matter especially in relation to your salvation.Do you know that the word ‘‘Jesus’’ is the misnomer of his divine name,which he would not answer if Pope calls him therewith during his lifetime,and he would have corrected or rebuked any erring person?

Rev. Father Paulinus O. Anaedu in his book titled ‘God’s Name is Not Jehova”, writes:
“Our Lord (‘Jesus’) was not the first only person to bear this name (‘Jesus’).The Deuteronomica book of Eccelesciates or Sirach was written by a man called Jesus. Jesus was the English translation of its Greek equivalent Insous.The Greek language has no ‘J’ or ‘Y’ with hard ‘i’ capitalized as I.To transcribe Insous literarily into English alphabets will give Jesous.Jesous represents the Hebrew and Aramaic name Yesua”.

Aramaic was real Christ dialect of the Hebrew language and he was called,Yesa by his people.In Arabic version it is Isa.This name Yesua as referred to by Fr. Paulinus and other Christian writers as the original Hebrew name for the misname ‘Jesus’ is even unreliable,because they used to equate Jesus – Yesua = Yehoshua = Joshua! Can we then say that one can be calling Jesus but have Joshua in mind? Assuming we replace all the Joshua in the Bible with Jesus or vice-versa,imagine the degree of error that would occur and the problem that Christians will face in identifying individual person.Thus the Aramaic Yesa or its divine Arabic Isais the real name.

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The list will be out in 2 or 3weeks time,can anyone tell me the statistics of those that passed?

It is not possible to score 70% in post utme,each question is 4marks

Pls guys,i scored 216 in utme and scored 60 in the just concluded post utme screening and chose elect/elect engineering,is there still hope?