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macof: I blame folykaze for entertaining things like this

Spirit wife ko, spirit kids ni

I still wonder why someone will spend time commenting on a thread rhat doesn't make sense to him

Busybody2: I have gone through most of your posts... take heed that anything else other than handing over to God - whom all powers belong to - would compound your issues.

since you have gone through my posts,then I don't need to start telling you how far I've gone with this prayer thing that didn't work,you must have red it there,its time to take a different direction

nnofaith: por que?!

I no dey understand french

Busybody2: This is a clearcut black OR white case. You can only have one choice, otherwise 900,000 deliverances, visits to babalawo, visits to the bottom of the sea, etc, you would end up back to square one in worse condition, so berra carry your slippers on your head and genuinely go and give your life to Christ.

I've already decided on what to do,church didn't help me

nnofaith: Africans and BS!

To think some of these folks actually went to school!!

what makes people like you a dumb is that your role models,people you see as most educated actually believe in these things, professor coker in unical once told us that some people were actually wise before going to school but came out as a foolish person while thinking he/she's wise

You'll see somebody who believe in God,just because a certain university gave him/her an admission to study philosophy,you see the person graduated and start saying there's no God,while the person who taught him is only being professional while having faith in God

So if you don't believe in this things you are the foolish one,because they are as real as death

FOLYKAZE: Brother, I want you to understand that aisan or arun (disease) is one of Ajogun that battles human from ataining Iwa-pele. So you should understand how aisan is more spiritual like than mere medical problems.

Saying Abiku is preceeded by illness is not completely true. Some Abiku are healthy at birth but still die when they have spent there agree time. And you have not tell us what of specific is the illness or disease that affect Abiku which Yoruba people lack knowledge of. How can people that pervert an Abiku from dying be described by you as non-knowledgeable? The insult you throw at our people is unbearable.

Note for the sake of knowledge, Sickness, illness or disease is one of the 8 Ajoguns who serve as a servant for Eshu. Aisan and Iku according to Odu Otuurupon Meji are keepers of Orunmila treasury (Akapo). According to that Odu, Orunmila is the one that cast divination to Iku, and made Aisan his Representative. The verse is saying specifically that aisan or arun and Iku shouldnt scare us away because Ifa know who they are and us. So babalawo, Aisan or Iku are one Awo-ifa. This should explain how they are spirits.

In Odu Owonrin Meji, there is a verse that shows you can communicate with stomach ache to leave you. Ofo is used for communicating with Aisan. In the book, Ijinle oun enu ifa, there are lot of Ofo for different diseases. . . . .this is because they are spirits and are alive.

Ifa knows each disease and what is best for chasing them away. If someone is sick, Eshu is the one that take sacrifice for Ajogun, Emere and Orishas. Eshu takes 5% share and deliver the rest to who needs them. So how would you make medicine for illness without consulting the spirit? Is it Osanyin or Ifa or the herbs who are spirits on it own are what you will ignore? Or you dont know Iroko, Bara, koko and other herbs are spirits? And you dont know aisan is a spirit?

I think one day, you will advice your Awo to clean his Ifa with tura soap and sponge. Or when awede cant be found in the bush, you ask your awo to use Klin detergent because it just a stain or dirt problem which woule be removed so nothing spritual about it. And use poutry chicken instead of local chicken for sacrifice because they are both chicken. These herbs, illness or death are spiritual agent meant for a purpose.

Abiku are called 'Eyin aseni' in Osa Meji. They are evil doer. . . . .hindering person from achieving Iwa-pele. Yoruba people say 'Eyin kule lota wa, ile l'aseni ngbe'. Abiku live and dwell with us. . .they are part of us but never with the intention of making us getting Ire (owo, omo ati alafia pelu Iwa baba oro).

hmmm... Nice explanation, somebody who marine spirit(spiritual wife) is following up and down,what do you think the person should do to be free, is it going for church deliverance or doing some rituals/sacrifice?

iamord: A babalawo can also help them get free too.

do you think that all babalawo is satanic? No, some just have a gift from God

macof: Case closed! I can't waste my time on someone who is this dumb

but you just proved your unintelligent for arguing foolishly in the first place

macof: By knowing God Lmao...ok wat do u mean by knowing God?

So abiku is revenge?
And also it is repeated from generation to generation??

abiku is a satanic thing na, oh! Don't you know,people get free by becoming born again,that's what I meant by knowing God

Enoquin: Na wa. What was his aim of coming to church then?
Only bachelors and men whose wives didn't make it to church sit in front

why?

macof: Yes, I said Abiku is preceded by illness..is that not true?

Have u heard of an Abiku case where the child dies without ever falling sick?
It's a medical issue, an illness just less understood than malaria

Because Spirits control all things doesn't mean that we keep blaming spirits for what we failed to understand

If you think you understand Abiku
What is the reason for Abiku? Why does it affect the same couple several times?
Don't tell me it's a curse, or the spirit just wants to torture them for fun

Am nt saying abiku children have not been saved using medicines and rituals that give them strength but in very few cases...even upon the rituals they still fall sick regularly
or have u heard that an abiku child was cured?

Malaria, fever, chicken pox were easy deal for Olosanyin(medical practitioners) they never lasted two days but not Abiku.which constantly required certain measures to keep the child living...and it wasn't 100% failproof

from what I was told, the reason abiku comes to a particular couple is because one of the couples is from the same spiritual circle,came to the world but refused to come back when its time,that's by knowing God or doing some sacrifice to stop them from taking him or her away

So for this,they send abiku to the parent involved so he/she will feel the pain they feel for loosing him or her, the child comes and die severally just to cause an emotional torture for the parents

The parent involved might not even know that he or she is an ogbanje,that he/she had a covenant before coming to the world which is the reason (s)he's having all these pain from several death of a child

FOLYKAZE: You indeed said Abiku cases is proceeded by illness and isnt a spiritual thing but medical proble. You even label it as lack of understanding of some medical problems. And you have stylishly took the blame on medicine. So how would you explain the cases of abiku that were perverted from dying? How would explain kokumo and Durojaye who are old today without any medical problem posing death threat?

And again you keep mentioning Illness. . . . .what exactly is the illness of Abiku? What specifically is the disease that cause there early death? If it is all about medical approach, dont you think there is enough herbs in the forest for medication? And yes, there are cases of ones that are healthy but die at early stage. . . .does this not make you think issue has gone beyond medical approach?

This is the reason Yoruba people ask parents to pre-check Isekojaye of their children so that they can know who is who and how to handle such a child. I know what and what to touch and not to touch because my parent have been warning me since I was a child just because they know who I am. A mother that frequently give birth to Abiku tends to get closer to Babalawo who would do the necessary things from early stage of pregnancy. This is where such children get there names. . . .rituals and sacrifice with medicines given to them defines who they really are.

And bro, everything is an effect of a spirit. Be it medical problem or spiritual. . . . .it is all spirit.

I know of a little gal that is scared of everything. They call the spirit tormrnting her 'Eru'. No matter how her parents tried to brace courage round her, she is scared of even her shadow. And the necessary ritual was done. . . .it was just incision and application of some stuff in her blood. That was the end of excessive fear.

In Ifa, efori is caused by a spirit, majele is a spirit, even olejija which some call a psychological problem is effected by a spirit. Call it force or spirit, something effects it.

This is not a matter of blaming the spirit, this is a matter of knowing what is what and doing what is necessary to curtain this effects.

The knowledge of illness has caused lot death. Malaria has been killing in millions despite the knowledge of it in our society. You dont blame death on lack of knowledge, it is problem of not taking precautionary measure considering time, person, cause and getting of whats needed.

My dad does not waste time treating headache with medicine, he only speaks to it and it get cured. I have a uncle that know this things but they are not ready to teach. . . .due to age factor. I came across this ofo in wande abimbola book but it not complete so not working.

Everything is effect from the spirit, medical problem included. Ti o ba ti mo oruko ti aisan je, a ba wi ni, a fun ni oun ti ofe a si fi ni sile. Hope you get that?

And pls do more research on Abiku

you are very knowledgeable in this, apart from abiku dying at early state,the ones that grow old which you called emere and we call it ogbanje,what and what are their symptoms,how can an adult know he or she is emere? Are their anything happening in their lives to show that they are?

Thanks

We all know that pastors are people use by God to liberate his people since God won't come down from heaven to do it on his own

before Christianity came,that's before we see what we know today as pastors, who and who were God using to work,reach and liberate his people,or didn't God in existence then or was he ignorance of his people then?

Anyway,I personally think that God was using the people we know as "native doctors" which later evolved to what we know as "pastors" today

now native doctors are evil and pastors are of God, if pastor chris or any powerful man of God decided to built a shrine like a native doctor today,do you know that the miracle they perform today while inside church will still work for them inside a shrine? Yes it will because the power has already been given to them to use,if native doctor wear a suit and builds a church(which many is doing) do you know that it will still work for him while carrying the bible,I think these two people are serving the same purpose

You have a problem,you run to pastors and they keep expecting you to bring a bag of money to sow a seed,some frowns when they see that you don't want to be a member of their church,they sadly told you to go to your pastor for help,you go to vigil and the same problem came there to let you know that running to church won't help you

Now my motive of creating this thread is to ask "is going to native doctor to solve your problem that church couldn't a sin" ?

FOLYKAZE: Hey Man.

Nairaland has become boring. . . .that is the reason I only read through threads without parting in the discussions.

@ the topic

I have learnt about believe in Abiku. . .and have also meet person who lost her children some days after birth who and others claim the deceased babies are Abiku.

Base on what I learnt and heard, Abiku when splitted is 'Abi' (being born) + 'ku' (died). It is a tag given to a baby that die immeidately or some days after birth. In the Yoruba society, they are believe to be beings from spiritual world on a short period journey to earth. They of specif comes to earth on the purpose of making their parents unhappy, causing them to cry and troubling them. On most occasions and from my experience, these babies die a day after or before or the very day of naming ceremony. You know how sadden that would be.. . . .

And on the other case, emere which the OP refer to as Oganje is different from Abiku. Though they are both from the spritual realm. . . . .and note, everything on earth including every individuals are from the spiritual realm. There is this saying in Yoruba, 'Ajo Laye' (earth is a sojourning path) which reveal we are all from Ajule Orun (spiritual realm) and on a course of attaining 'Iwa pele'. This is the reason we circled after death bringing us to attainment of Iwa pele. . . . . . . This circling journey is what Yoruba people call Asehinwaye (kind of reincarntion).

So on this cousre, there are seven Ire (prosperities); child bearing is included which Man should acquire which would guild him through achieving Iwa Pele. So Abiku are there to obstruct this achievement.

While Abiku die after birth to cause bitterness in a home, Emere have potentials of affecting Ire in a home. Emere does not die after birth. Some even can die of old age. . . . .but there course is affecting one's Ire.

This is my submission base on what I have learnt from book and people. Feel free to ask any question on what have written

good narration,pls what is ire?

edogho: i don't see y he still can't talk to her, not confront or contend o. maybe i fast forward too much abi? ok, @op, start from getting to know her and y she's troubling u instead of helping u. even form love for her and let her understand u. yes, it's easier said than done and that's y he's gonna give this one a shot. when u come face to face with a spirit, ur weakness is their strength. mi mystic uncle made me understand this. even if u are afraid, make bold demands and requests and d maddest of spirits will admire u for that and will want to have more dealings with u. i wonder if she's telekinetic, if she's not, take a bold step and beat her up

I wish I can see her face to face,I swear I will confront her like you said because it has gotten to a level am no longer scared

But the issue is that this spirit comes in a tricky way,like showing her shadow,making an object around me disappear and appear,making me perceive her scent so I'll know she's around,holding me down and make me enter trans or should I call it astra travel

The only place she comes full is in a dream and have sex with me,she said am not mature enough to see her in real life

jdilight: If taking a flight is so difficult, then forget going abroad. Difficulty is a function of our believe. It is difficult for a man who is right handed to fully make use of his left hand, but when he looses his right hand. He will achieve the impossible of turning his left hand to a right hand.

Only courageous men are celebrated.

in summary,are you saying being born again is easy?

jdilight: Study it at your pace, you must not finish it at once.

anyway at the same time being born again is so difficult

edogho: this one always gets me thinking, buh on a second thought, its d same ol' story. everyone seems to say same thing and i've not seen anyone with a first hand experience. always second hand and third hand experiences. and d most dishonest individuals will claim theirs is first hand . just mi opinion

yea people might claim but I'll tell you for sure that I have such in my family,a small part of her last finger was cut off and she came back with it

Before I opened this thread,I know where am from and what we are seeing in the family, almost everyone is this ogbanje, now all am passing through in life is being attached to it

jdilight: Guy you got me laughing here. If some white guys read this they may be thinking Nigerians have a lot of vampires.

Bros please find time to go through this.

https://www.nairaland.com/1919393/what-it-really-mean-born

the article is too long,can you summarize?

Good comments,keep it coming

jdilight: What does born again mean? if I may ask.

changing from who you are to something else,to be whom you are not used to,that's why people back slide everyday

All my threads almost speaks on one direction,anyway that's because I only have one problem in this life which I keep talking about

Can someone please tell me what he/she understands as ogbanje/abiku , if its in a lineage,hereditary or is it just something that comes on its own, what thay face in life,the best way to separate from it,is it through prayers or tradition

finally,is everyone who has spiritual wife/husband an ogbanje/abiku?


Please I need experienced people

ZKOSOSO: I know perfectly what u are going through. I had a similar case in the past. Very stubborn being I tell ya. She Can even stop ur cashflow!
It goes away gradually not one off as u badly desire.
Change lifestyle. Cut off beautiful babes yanshi.ng. Quickly replace with more reading of spiritual books on the subject. I still have these book as I write this. Visit MFM bookstore and collect @ least 2 books on incubus n succubus. The steps are outlined there!
God bless u

thanks but I've been to mfm countless times

jdilight: You never ready.

Please can you tell me the level of born again there are requesting because I don't think born again is in levels.

cutting my hair which is not even shaggy while I still have a plan of getting a dreadlocks,change my dress code to pastor type(I'm this hiphop type) ,

I had an appointment with a pastor,while waiting for him, my phone rang,my ring tone was "ice prince oleku" the pastor's wife said I have to give up to these whole thing including the kind of music I listen to if I want this spirit to free me

Infact let me be plain,I can't just be that "born again" they expects me to, imagine pastor advising me to go and get rid of my tattoos when am planning to have more

I see all these as a punishment

jdilight: What she may ask for, you may not be able to give her. And once you see her, if you don't kill her she will kill you. In the born again angle, deliverance cannot stop her. Only you can stop her through the born again means. A slave cannot negotiate with the master. A slave can only get his freedom from a free man who will pay for his freedom or he kills his master to be free. No two ways, freedom is gained not given.

If you want the born again means I will show you.

I know the born again means,although is the best way out but hardest and almost impossible for me

Chubhie: But why did you abandon your duty post and responsibility? When you were busy nacking her and making heavenly promises nko? Now, you want to run? To where I say? That she still came to met you inside the church you ran shows you can run but can't hide and that she has not killed you yet shows she still wants and loves you. You have to stand and take care of your business as a man! In the words of vito corleone, "A man who doesn't spend time with his family can never be a real man" you can't fight her but can conquer her heart with love tactically. She's better off as an ally than an enemy. Call for a sitdown and make peace with her. You may wish to go back to that church where she last appeared to you. This could be your karma in this life and the earlier you start accepting somethings and not running the better. We are all different with different paths. Lord knows that if I'm in your position I would tame her and unleash her on perceived enemies. You can rule this this world with that queen. All the very best. Or I can broker a deal for you guys but, my fees may be a lil outrageous. Say me well to your kids.

when I started reading this your respond I saw it as one of the stu!pid posts we normally see here but as I went on it started making sense to me,especially the part you said you'll unleash her on your enemies and conquering the world with it which is what a "celestial spiritualist told me

But the issue now is,how do I make this spirit to understand that she's hurting me seriously,I've been to many spiritualists,some suggested taking me to a river to consult this spirit, some said I should bring money for a spiritual work, some wanted to give me incense to burning at home which will chase her away while others wanted to give me incense that will bring her out so we can reach an agreement

This whole thing got me confused,pastors are not even helping issues,always making me to believe that I have to be in prayers for the rest of my life which scares the hell out of me

Debeloved87: the kind of people you might be looking for might just add to your prob.....unmh, read some sacred books, get some spiritual facts from them and try apply them..the book of tobit in the Catholic bible narrate how a specially Prepared incence was able to send off an incubus and finally bind by angel uriel....spiritual spouse seems to affect almost everyone in the world. draw closer to God personally in prayer.

my brother rhank you very much, but whenever people talks about this drawing closer to God and prayer thing it makes me more hopeless because I know I've done my best when it comes to prayers,I've fasted but this thing is going no where,what else do I do?

Anyway I just met a nairalander who has been following my threads,she seems a bit experienced in this, she knows what am passing through

She suggested I should go see owummiri people for direction,the problem is that I don't know any of them, since I was born, bred and brought up in a city, where can I find any of them?

Does anyone know where I can find owummiri person

Brijet: Then u r nt ready 2 be saved.Hv u eva sit down nd ask urself why she is disturbing u nd nt disturbing others?Hv u eva ask urself why u see her in ur dreams?(dats because God wants 2 deliver u,so many people live wit this problem witout knowing).u nt giving up ur social life,makes u far 4rm God nd rememba u hv only 1 life nd God is goin 2 question u,when u live dis earth.i rest my case

who told you its not disturbing others?

Anyway this is not really what I opened this thread for, its unfortunate that the kind of people I opened it for are not showing up

edozie04: Rubbish!!!You expect us to believe this?

please don't , I don't need people who this thread will convince,I need people who knew the existence of this spirit before me

Brijet: I know of some1 who can help u summon d spirit,but unfortunately i can't tell u bout Him,cos u said i should nt talk bout Him.

I've been to the person countless time,calling on his name,sometimes I wonder if the spirit is bigger than him, that's why I've decided to know the spirit,if it requires getting a private room for her and worship her , I'll do it ,provided I'll be free to live a normal life