₦airaland Forum

Pastor Bankie rocks.

Like RCCG is the whole Nigeria. Buhari is not fit to be a leader.

Ninilowo:
I USED TO UNDERSTAND MATHS TILL IT WAS MIXED WITH LETTERS.

I will help you remove the letters.

Absolutely right.
This is common in Nigeria. The only solution to this is for the people of God to seek and aquire the true knowledge of God.

donstevico:
na u sabi.I rest my case.

Please rest your case but before you go I want to ask you if you will hand over your January salary to CE as first fruit and if yes could you please tell us why?

Oyinprince:
.. Stop complaining and start giving all your money to those that say the truth in the name of God.

I will give to those who say the truth and at the same time talk to my brothers against being cajoled by some guy with a permed hair and white suit.
How can a man ask the whole congregation to hand him their January salary quoting one Old Testament portion and you expect people to keep quiet? Come January some guys after being deceived will dance with joy and hand over their January salary to another man who has capitalized on their ignorance.
This is very unfair and must be stopped. Let us preach the truth and God almighty will raise men that will support his work financially.Let us stop lieing to the people of God. Righteousness exalt a nation but sin is a reproach.

Curlieweed:
Even if Buhari wants only a term of 1 day, don't give him the opportunity because;

1)It's most likely a lie

2)the country is still suffering from the damage caused by the last time he spent 20 months. Lagos still has no metro line, thaks to the animal in human skin.

We don't need Buhari and Jonathan. We need men like Rochas, solivan chime, Fashola, Tinubu, Akpabio and Kwakwanso. These men has shown that with the scarce resources available to them from the federal allocation they could affect a positive change. We can pick one of these men. Jonathan is a flop and Buhari is not qualified and like I said earlier I rather vote a dead dog than vote Buhari.

vooks:
If you are talking from experience it is well my broda

The truth is that I am not really unhappy that some guys can give their four months salary but when you lie in the name of God just to make sure that people pay is my concern.that is where the injustice is . For example you know that there is nothing like first fruit or tithe for today's Christians but they keep brainwashing them with these Old Testament practices that should be done away with.

mikolo80:
wetin dis wan de yarn,are you a learner.he gave you okonjo,ubah,chidoka,oduah et al wetin una want again.abi una no de celebrate una sons and daughters who have 'done well'.no be una de support dem thief thief wen dem de thief abi d fresh air don de smell now ba.no worry una eye never clear yet

Guy You are very funny. How does Chidoka and iwulala transform to infrastructure development in the east. I guess you are still learning.

helinues:
Yes, you got it right, but what makes Jonathan different from Buhari? I can only support Buhari ONLY if he promises to go for just a term.

Note: My own opinion.. no trespassing

Opinion noted. But I am convinced beyond reasonable doubt that Buhari does not have the qualities of a good leader. People talk about how he enforced discipline as a military head of state but they also forget that he was able to do that because he had men with guns. Buhari does not believe in democracy. This is a man that threatened the whole nation just because he failed election. People where slaughtered with matchette just because Buhari lost election. The guy does not fit to be the president of this country and he is simply anti-democratic.
This country need a new leader that will come from the best performing governors( eg Fashola, Tinubu, Rochas, kwakwanso). Buhari is not an option at all but unfortunately the Yorubas want him. We will still complain if Buhari wins.
I rather vote the bone of my grandmother than vote Buhari. He is better as a military head of state.

vooks:
Where do you draw the line between cajoling and simply asking believers to give?
You are unfair on Christ Embassy. Any church collecting an offering may as well be 'cajoling'

I was once a member of CE. I know what I am saying. Even the sincere members. How am I unfair to CE? Is it a lie that members pay not less than their 4 months pay to CE.

Beer parlour gossip.

mamajohn:
Most churches have programmes aimed at helping the needy in place. To say churches don't help the needy is not entirely true

Can you mention some of the programmes and how much emphasy is Liad on it. Giving to the poor is part of the work of God.

vooks:
Paul in 1 Cor 9 used the Bible (Torah) to 'cajole' them to give.

1 Corinthians 9:13 King James Version (KJV)
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?

How much is 'acceptable' to you? Two salaries, one salary or half a salary?

I have already answered the question.if people are cajoled into giving then even if they give one dollar, it is still not acceptable.
People are cajoled to give in CE and the highest giver is even given an award. You see is more like competition.

mynairatime:
YES! my church helped me to become poorer from poor

You are kidding right? Please can you explain how?

mazzi:
u are begining to show ur true colour,who paid u for this dirty job?efulefu!

Get of my face. You are ruined with sentiment. My point is very clear and only people who refuse to see reasons type rubbish. Jonathan failed Igbos and that is very easy to see and my opinion is that he does not deserve our vote.
I am not saying vote Buhari and I personal will not vote him. I am saying that Igbo should field a candidate and that Ndi should give such a candidate massive support not minding if he fails or wins.

peteregwu:
so your own is to peep into the church account. so if they put you in the account department, wet in go come happen? kasa! you'd own na church percentage you go dey meditate. many people are just poor in the heart and minds, it doesn't matter if they are rich physically or not.

so who told you church has failed, that means you are not following Gods time table or the move of the holy spirit. the church can't fail, because Jesus is the head of the church and he can never , never fail. the church is winning.

We need to go back to root of Christianity which is loving one another. In my opinion love is real lacking in today's churches.pastors living large while the members are still suffering.
Truth is that not everyone will be rich but that does not mean the church should not help those who are poor.
For heavens sake we are the light of the world. If all the money we collect in tithe and offering only goes toward erecting mansions for some men to shine then we have missed it.

stanech:
what did buhari do for us when he was ptf chairman and head of state

Get my point I am
Not saying vote Buhari and I sware that I will never vote for Buhari but my point is that the man who neglected us even when we supported him does not deserve our vote.
We need our own man to contest and we should all support him.

DoubleFaith:
Please how about those that receive their 'upfronts' in Jan. Do they also give it as first fruits? #thinkingaloud

Any money you make in January is called first fruit in CE and it belongs to pastor Chris. No wonder he is very rich.

vooks:
lastmessenger,
How much giving is 'acceptable'?

Willing giving is acceptable.But what we see is men being cajoled with bible and the name of God to pay at least four month pay to CE. That's injustice.

donstevico:
nope..in the Christ embassy I attend giving is a choice.nobody forces anyone to give.

There are different ways to make a man give. Tell him he is giving to God and you see him empty his pocket for another man.
There is too much tasking in Christ embassy and you know that.

honourhim:
How much percentage of the money that comes into the church is used to cater to the needs of the poor? And what percentage goes to the pastor?

Bro let's be honest, churches have failed big time in this regard.

Thank God that I am not the only one thinking like this. Just check out the money spent on pastor chris birthday and you will understand the injustice that is going on.

WhiteTechnology:
Yes but don't totally blame him but the Born To Rules who have opposed every effort to restructure Nigeria


Besides we must teach the Born to rules that Nigeria belongs to all.

Jonathan should have Atleast show us that he regards our support.

Collynzo9:
Are you daying Igbos shouldn't vote at all since the only candidates now are Jonathan and Buhari?
Stop this your backyard pattern of campaigning for Buhari abeg.
When the campaing starts fully, we'll let Jonathan know the areas he has failed us and he will correct it in his second tenure.

My bro there is no backyard campaign for Buhari. I personally will be the last person to vote Buhari but at the same time Jonathan does not deserve Igbos vote. Why can't he go to the north and get their vote. Atleast he has been doing all their railway and roads for them.

mikeansy:
in order to achieve what exactly?

Rochas Okorocha made that point at the APC primaries. How far did he go?

Is Apc the only party in Nigeria. The Apc is predominantly Yoruba and Hausa party and therefore Rochas should not have been part of the whole thing is the first place.

stanech:
but we shouldnt consider buhari at all

GEJ is a better option

Why is he a better option? What has Jonathan done for us other than neglect us. The bad federal roads in the east speaks volume.

Zikdik:
Lol. You guys have been asked to prove the existence of this "spiritual" for centuries now and win one million dollars and no one has been able to. Nothing sounds dumber than a dumb person trying to sound smart.
You really shouldn't run your loud mouth about things you know next to nothing about.

The spiritual cannot be subjected to scientific methods and therefore only the spiritual understand the spiritual world.

peteregwu:
I so much and deeply understand what you mean. if you had read my post earlier, I said not all churches are from God. some are from Satan and satan has his messages. that is why I said before you go to a church or become a member of any church pls pray fervently, don't just rush into it. you can as well fast and pray....that is if truly you wanna go to heaven, so that you will be guided by his Spirit. I also hope you understand me too. God bless you.

God bless you too.

mikeansy:
If you vote anyone else you will split Jonathan vote and end up with Buhari

The pragmatic choice is to stick with Jonathan till 2019

What if Buhari wins in the end. We need one of us to contest period!!!.
We need to make a point that we suppose nobody but ourselves.

Collynzo9:
So who should Igbos vote for, Buhari?
Talking about roads, how many did Buhari build or maintain in the east as head of state and as PTF chairman under Abacha? 0? 1? How many?
He overthrew President Shagari who actually built roads in the east, he over threw some of our best governors of all time like Sam Mbakwe - the inner roads he built in Owerri and Aba are still there for all to see, he had more to achieve but Buhari cut short his tenure.
What about Jim Nowobodo who achieved so much for Enugu, Anambra and Ebonyi and still had more in stock? Buhari ousted them all.

What did he do with power after that? He sheepishly handed it to IBB.

I am not saying that Igbos should vote Buhari. I personally will not vote Buhari but is it too much that an Igbo man contest for the fort coming election and get massive support from the Igbos. Why must we always support others even when they hardly support us nor regard our support.

Flets:
1. Gen Buhari allowed Shehu Kangiwa, the then Sokoto State Governor from 1979-1981, who conducted and supervised the famous "Bakolori Massacre" of poor peasant farmers, whose lands were seized without compensation, to remain under a very comfortable house arrest, without punishment or proper imprisonment.

2. Ikemba Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu, another Igboman who had just returned from 13 years of exile in 1982, following a pardon by then president, Shehu Shangri, was as well locked up in Kiri-Kiri Prison by Buhari. Till this day, we are not told what Ojukwu's offence was.

3. Buhari's CPC loyalists massacred and lynched Nigerian youth corpers after the last election. A refined politician is expected to tender an apology on behalf of the ignorant loyalists, buhari refused to apologise. He said, the mob were angry because they felt the election was rigged. Is that sufficient to take the life of another?

4. Buhari pretended to have forgotten, his CPC party, rigged the election by registering under aged voters. He who comes to equity must come with clean hands.

5. In 1983, an article "The Mallams are Coming" written long ago in the 70's by Bisi Onabanjo, whose column Aiyekooto (parrot - known for telling the plain truth) and a later one in which Onabanjo wrote, people should watch out for that "Gangly Officer from the North" after Buhari gave a no holds barred speech at a Army function, where he openly supported only pro-Fulani and pro-Islam to the exclusion of all other ethnic groups, and the termination of democratic rule, was recalled by Buhari. For exposing that, Onabanjo got a harsh jail term and was tortured while in prison.

6. Mrs. Vera Ifudu, who was an NTA reporter, was sacked on Buhari's orders as military ruler, for reporting what Dr. Olusola Saraki had told her in an interview about how the missing, $2.8 Billion money, while buhari was petroleum minister, was traced to Buhari’s account at Midland Bank, London branch. In view of this, OBJ scraped PTF over Buhari’s misappropriation. Vera eventually won her case in court after providing evidence, and was financially compensated.

7. That obnoxious Decree 4 by buhari, against which truth was no defence, was used to jail journalists, an attempt to shut-up the media as a whole. That tyrannical legislation of buhari shows the essence of his intolerance..... facts of recent history.

8. On the 4th of September, 1984, minutes before leaving Nigeria for an extensive tour of the US, Fela Anikulapo Kuti was arrested at the airport of Lagos on orders of Buhari and was jailed for 5 years, on bogus charges under emergency law initiated by dictator buhari, which prompted the sentencing judge to later confess that, he was ordered to do so and apologised to Fela. Get Fela's (Army Arrangement) song for more expose'.

9. Against all canons of legal decency, Buhari executed Lawal Ojuolape (30), BernardOgedengbe (29) and Bartholomew Owoh (26). Toput it quite plainly, one of those three –Ogedengbe – was executed for a crime that did not carry a capital forfeit at the time it was committed.

10. Buhari was in full support of all the atrocities of Sani Abacha against the Nigerian people. There is no single record of his criticism of Sani Abacha during those dark days when Nigeria was on precipice. It shows that he is a patriot of convenience.

11. After the military government of Major-General Muhammadu Buhari took power, Prof Ambrose Ali, one time governor of (Bendel) state, who had already retired from politics, was arrested and sentenced to 100 years in prison by buhari's military tribunal over trumped up charges. He was finally freed when the Esama of Benin, Chief Gabriel Igbinedion, paid a fine to buhari'government. Ambrose Ali died shortly after his release.

12. Mallam El-rufai who now sings buhari's praise famously said on Oct, 5th 2010 that " General Buhari is perpetually unelectable because his record as military head of state and afterwards, is a warning that many nigerians in the past have wisely heeded. His insensitivity to Nigeria’s diversity and his parochial focus are already well-known."

13. El-Rufai again said: “I was 25 years old when Buhari was Head of State and now am 50+ and he still wants to be President, i don’t understand that, i don’t understand that at all and I call on young people of Nigeria to take their future into their hands and ensure in the next election, they vote for a new generation of leaders. This man should pave way for a younger blood, we don't need an old man. Its only in Nigeria that u willl see the same set of former corrupt leaders hussling to to lead evern when they keep saying that we are the leaders of tomorrow, the same story my teacher told me many years ago. Can any Nairalander gladly point out any American former leader that is still vying for the same post?

A leopard can never, ever change it's spots. Nigerians, do not be deceived,vote wisely.

I don't support Buhari neither do I support APC. I will be happy if one of us will come out, contest for the presidency and get massive support from the Igbos even if he eventually fail but at least we will make a point that we know what we want.
Igbos should take position, express their opinion and be ready to steer the affairs of this country.
Am not happy with all these follow follow mentality.

peteregwu:
I have only one verse for you in the bible; Matthew 26:11 "For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always."

so you want become the government that always claim they want to eradicate poverty. don't you know that if all is rich, how will God deal with us. poverty makes us draw closer to God. we are humbled by poverty and sometimes God lift us from there after we must have seeked and found him. all the dirty work in the church sometimes are mostly done by poor people. I speak with experience and you know it. just because you see poor people in the church does not mean it is forever. God understand and and sometimes God uses the pastor to open there eyes through the word. pls church is not government and not should be seen as an NGO.

Ok I get your point that the poor according to Jesus will always be among us but I also know that Jesus will be happy to see us show real love for the poor.
We love to buy air planes which are costly to maintain in the name of preaching when in reality we preach nothing.we regurgitate the same old things and tell the large mass to support our work.
This is nothing but wickedness though folks will have us believe they are being led by the spirit of. Jesus said if you have two shoes and you see a brother that have none that your Christian responsibility is to give the brother one shoe.
In my opinion if the church which is Christ does nothing to help her poor members then what do you expect the corrupt government to do.
One man wants to build 4km square building where people will gather when we are told that God is everywhere. Why can't programs be aired on TV and people stay in their homes and watch. This is the problem with Nigerian churches always building expensive churches when the people that should be built up are neglected.