₦airaland Forum

peteregwu:
my friend I cant enforce the word of God on anyone. The word of God will only prosper those that understands it. what I have explained here is based on the word of God and not just by my wisdom or understanding. if I give to God for the work of God, he will prosper me, the bible says, "it is more blessed to give than to receive."

the problem of many believers today is that, most of them are in the wrong place of worship. before you go to any church, pls pray and let God reveal the foundation of that church to you. it could be that some are giving to a church that has satanic foundation. pls I never mentioned any church's name o.

Everyone can't be rich, but if anyone is poor and want to be lifted up, then learn to follow Jesus and to give for the work of God in a place with true foundation, you will reap bountifully.

John 12:3 "Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment. 12:4 Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him, 12:5 Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? 12:6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein. 12:7 Then said Jesus, Let her alone: against the day of my burying hath she kept this. 12:8 For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always."

Is the work of God only in building new churches, paying pastors salary and going on evangelism. Didn't Jesus take care of the poor? Is taking care of the poor not part of the work of God? Is it a lie that some people need financial help? Is it a lie that the Nigerian church could help its members get out of poverty by giving soft loans? Should our concern be only in building church houses and schools where high fee are collected?
The church can help its members get out of poverty.God does not throw money down from heaven. God works through people and organisations in helping his people.the first church took care of the poor, the missionaries built schools for us and so should our present Nigeria church.

First let me state that i am Igbo and I am not for Buhari neither do I support the Apc party but the truth must be told and the truth is that Jonathan does not deserve the Igbo mans vote.
Yes the northern Nigeria has been the one kicking against Jonathan yet the president has done much for them in term of infrastructural development. The first railway that was renovated moved from Lagos to Kano and even the proposed centenary city is to built in Abuja. Ultramodern railway line has all been built across the north yet the same north still kick against Jonathan.
Benin Ore express is in a vey good condition that last time that I travelled to Lagos. Lagos Ibadon express way has all been delivered yet majority of the westerners want Jonathan out.
What have we the Igbos got from the Jonathan since the beginning of Jonathans administration? The Igbos have got absolutely nothing. We seem to be the last to be remembered in terms of infrastructure development. All eastern federal roads are bad. From Aba to Akwaibom expressway to Phc to Enugu expressway is seen an example of a neglected people.railway lines has started working in the north and western Nigeria but the south east is still dormant.
The Igbos should stop working with sentiment.it is time we vote for those who will take us for who we really are.we support others but we are hardly supported and yet we are yet to learn.
My opinion is that Jonathan failed us and he does not deserve our vote.

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Don't be ridiculous.

Yes Buhari is very desperate. He may die if e does not win this time around.

Peter you are only saying that the members should give to the church and not the other way round. Does it mean that the early church was wrong is making sure that those who do not have are catered for?
In the Nigerian scenario where ministers love like king out of the church money. Don't you think that something is wrong.
Christianity is not Islam where the focus is only on God even if it means the people should be killed.
The truth is that the church should help her members. The poor should be helped to come our of their poverty.i have seen prople who a faction of what is spent on pastor chris birthday could have changed their lives but the church would rather host birthday than help a poor member.Every money should not only go the pastors and bishops

PassingShot:
Are you a saTAN, TANoid or GEJite?

Which one are you?

Anti Buhari is what I am.

Buhari is at work.that man is desperate for power.

If only Buhari will call his bokoharam boys to order we would not spend a dim on dogs.
Abeg all these APC guys should please beg thier oga Buhari. He has killed enough people already just because you want to be president. There is god o.

donstevico:
maybe you are in the wrong pcf.and pastor Chris has also warned leaders to stop giving members targets.he said giving should be by the leading of the spirit

Ok o but for months salary is too much na. They should take it easy on you guys.
But bros be sincere for once. Are you not tasked to the bones in CE.

peteregwu:
you don't seem to understand what you are saying, that's to some extent. but when you begin to do that, you have turned the church to be something else. people will no longer come to church to be saved by the word, but for money and help to do other things. in fact no matter what you will preach, they will not heed to it. there hearts will be locked up in what you will give them next....the money,the help. you will be breeding hypocrites in the church and bunch of lazy people that will depend on church money. you will not be able to raise soldiers of the Lord but rather you will raise up. hungry and weak men and women of God. such are not fit for the kingdom of God because Satan and demons will outdo them.

Are you then saying the church should only collect and not give back to the members. Remember the first church in Jersualem. Remember the missionary schools which some of our parents attended without paying money.
Why is that the Nigerian church is only interested in building magnificent church buildings? Can't we have a schem whereby unemployed school leavers and graduates could write business and ten or twenty among the all the proposals be chosen and funded by the church offering and tithe.

I have seen guys in church that are jobless and I will be like why can't we help this guys become productive. The church has enough money but the members are still
Living in penury.so painful.

donstevico:
is it your money ??
why don't u focus on your life ??
OK if #1000 tithe is #100 is 100naira too big to give God.don't you buy drinks worth more than that??
you forget that this same Christ embassy has renovated many schools this year and bought ambulances and police cars for the government.where WHR u when pastor Chris built that auditorium for ambrose Ali university.?? or were you sleeping when Christ embassy did "day of service"??please go and download "loveworld app" from playstore and stop deceiving urself

So that's all he could do with all the members four months salary huh? Buy police van and built an auditorium in Ambrose Ali UNiversity.
My bro four months salary no be today o. I pity for Christ embassy folks.suffering and smiling.
When I came back to ph and attended my former Christ embassy branch the first thing that my Pcf leader greeted me with is that the Pcf is to pay 50k for pastors birthday car gift and I just laughed because I know the pastor has enough money to host his birthday and buy himself a car. This is the reality bro.

Oyinprince:
Busybodies everywhere .
Mind ur business

But what I wrote up there is the absolute truth. You guys are tasked to the bone.

golor:
Bt op waiting u deh fine church money for? U know go go work?

Am not looking for church money but it is a reality that many people needs helping hands and the church should be able to help people start business and even pay house rent.
Should the monies collected only be for the pastors and bishops.

peteregwu:
na DAT one you look for abi? church shouldn't be a place for giving out money but a place where people come and here the word that change there lives, after all there is power in the word....it is spirit and life. if you begin to make church a place of giving out money, then you have open way for satan, demons and his agent. that means I will not be focused on the word and faith in God but on money.

The church should cater for the needs of the members. The church recorded in Acts of Apostle is an example for us to follow.
Nigerian church should not only collect from members. They should also assist young school leavers and graduate set up their business. That way people will be happy to pay tithe.

The reality of Nigerian Christianity.

I am looking for sincere answers because I remember that the church in Jerusalem collected money from the rich in other to take care of those who do not have.
Now I know that many Nigerians are faithful tithe and first fruit payers. Some sow big seeds.
Many of you have done much to help in building those mansions and even the universities.
Now I want to know how the church helped you when you were in financial difficulty. Jesus did not only preach the word of God. He also feed five thousand men the first time a boy gave his food for all.

Do the maths.
First fruit is your first salary for the year which is equal to one month salary for paid workers.
Then you also pay 10 percent of all your salaries for the remaining months of the years and the sum is like another one month pay..
Then you pay your partnership vow and pastors birthday vow and Sunday normal offering and you pay for reach out Nigeria and before you know it the sum may be like your two months salary.
After paying all these what do you get in return.
1. More cars and investment and exotic birthday for pastor Chris.
2. Good life for his pastors while the members still look on God to provide for the promised miracles
3. An emotional filled worship service every Sundays and Wednesdays.
4.motivational talk by pastor Chris and his pastors every Sundays and Wednesdays.
5. False lifestyle everywhere and some heretic messages which comes in once In a while( remember the last one on self service)

Christians need to wake up from slumber and do the right thing. The church is not a business entity and anybody who fleece children if God is nothing but the Anti- Christ.

Believe me in few years time Nigerian Christians will stop tithing. The fight is on and many people are cueing in.
These thieves must be exposed.

Huh? This article was first written in French.

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I have answered this question repeatedly in many ways. You don't have to give. Just leave others who love God and what He is doing alone.

And you really think you love God just because you give to a man that reads bible to you every Sunday.
When you start visiting motherless babies homes with free items then you can contact me. For now you are doing nothing but helping a man build earthly empire .

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Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of your faith. Of your faith. My pastor is not the author and finisher of my faith. I donot give because my pastor says so. I give because Jesus says so. So I can never be offended. By faith Abel gave a better offering than Cain....read the rest. Who was there with both of them, no one. So it means you cannot even give to God without any human involvement. Where is your faith mister.

Have you ever seen Jesus telling you to give or is not the pastor that tell you that Jesus said so. When did Jesus say you must give first fruit every January.
If na like that then you can give to me na. Me too need to buy my own jet. Bros make I send my account number.

Am begging Buhari to call his boys to order na.Is getting out of hand.

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You cannot love God with your 'brains'. Just forget it. You cannot be a believer. 'With the heart a man believes unto righteousness.....with the mouth is confession made unto salvation' (para). If God came to earth with a calculator and estimated the probability of saving man, Jesus will not have died on the cross, its that simlple.

Yet those who fleece the children of God use thier Brian in doing so.

When them go born pikin.

Don't vote for Buhari. Commander in chief of the bokoharam republic.

If you keep your brain at home when going to church then expect to be fleeced.
Is time Christians start using their brains

This is the reason why you must endeavor to pay your tithe.Dont you like the party?

100Cents:
Is Buhari a bomb detonator ?

Yes. He is an expert .

winedeal:
then RIP in advance

Seconded

100Cents:
God help Nigeria.

Lunatics have invaded this country from Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, Libya and Osunistan..

With the help of Buhari

adonis89:
good news. i dont and wil neva pity d northernerz. wen obj committed d odi genocide,no northerner eva condemned d act. i lost 2 uncles dat day. they shuld live wit their own problem. 1nigeria my foot.

So Obj killed your uncles ? Bros is unfair.

ademega:
For those of u name calling after each bomb, i ve this to tell u , u are the reason why this country is going backward and majour reason why u are making Mr president look clueless , u are not making him think straight in finding lasting solution to this deadly issue of bokoharam. U are distracting him by letting him be looking for both problems and solutions where they don exist .

Bros I beg you I was only joking