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InvertedHammer: Wouldn't it be fair for pastors to state that they need money for all these things instead of
threatening the congregation with hell if they refuse to f.ck over their 10% to the leeches.

Yeah. As if the pastors hold the keys to heaven or hell. Pastors themselves are not even
guaranteed of going to heaven. How in the world do people believe these clowns?

i dont think you have to call people clowns just because you dont believe what they believe.everything other thing you wrote is seconded by me.tithing is for those that believe in Judaism and not for christains

zidex: If you call ur self a true born again child of God living and being directed by de spirit of Christ in you, you won't be asking dis question. Well if you must know tithing is a commandment from God dat with blessings when you pay nd a cause when you don't pay. Tithe belongs to God. It is not urs nd so it is not a seed, offering, or free will donation. Mal.3:8-12 unequivocally stated dat if you don't pay tithe (1/10) of everythin you earn, you are a THIEF or even worse a ROBBER. Remenber all thieves nd robbers have there place in HELL? BE WARNED!! LET THAT HAVE EARS HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT OF GOD IS SAYING. Finally it's ur choice to choose blessings or causes. God said "I have set before you this day Life and death, blessings and causes, but choose life so dat thou nd thy seed may live" GOD BLESS YOU ALL

what a thinking.you already know those that will go to hell.i hope you wont faint when you see us that dont believe in tithing walking in the streets of heaven.guy wake up.GOD wants cheerful givers and not fearful givers.
Check out the book on this site.if after reading the book and you choose to stick with your emotions,then am done with you.
www.tekoapublishing.com/books/tithing

The two are gonna have good time tonight and some people are here fighting tribal war.grow up guys and get a life.i wont be a party to this tribal thing.

Romantic

64billion for just a gate. Smh and crying for naija

Image123: Eeyah, many people did not agree with or feel joy by this your post. The post is actually like a boomerang, especially the bolded.

Only you understand what you are up to and why what i wrote is a boomerang.believe it or not, few people change things on this earth and rest are led like sheep.there is nothing wrong with being led like a sheep if that is someones choice.i dont have problem if u are fan of 10% giving and of them that preach it.my only problem is that people should be made to know the truth to liberate them from their fears.

Like i said before,i am a christembassy member and pastor chris is my pastor and he inspires me alot but that doesnt mean everything he say is what i swallow.even paul said in one of his letters that we know in part and that we see through a dark glass.dont ever think these men we look upto cannot make mistakes.infact the Thessalonians church having heard paul preach went back to search the scripture, making judgement between what paul preached and the scriptures.thats who we are supposed to be and not to totally depend on what somebody is saying on the pulpit.all i am saying is this Oyedepo can be wrong,Pastor Chris can be wrong,Adeboye can be wrong.you will argue with me that they are getting result from what they are preaching on tithe,well anybody can get result from doing what he is doing(ask the Juju priest and they will tell their result).Research carried out showed that only 14% of American christains gave a little above 10% of their income(after all the shouting and preaching on tithing).

My personal convinction is that the church will experience trememdous properity if they will drop this judaism practice called tithe.it is like a cancer and it is limiting us from enjoying the full blessings from God.

There is a book on the internet that i want u to read with an open mind.after reading the book and you feel that tithing is still ok for u then so be it.cheek this site www.tekoapublishing.com/books/tithing

R2bees: 800,000 indians in Nigeria??

thats dolby

The major problem of people in this country is crowd mentality.people hate someone with a different opinion and they label him a rebel without having a close consideration on why the person is having a different opinion.we like public opinion.only few people change things in this world and the rest follow like sheep.things are changing as years goes by and infact marthin luther had to steal the new testament and translated it to german language and just because of people like him we all can read the bible today and make arguement on this forum.
On this tithe issue i believe that with time a change will come. with pastor bankie(my mentor) taking a stand against it eventhough he owns a radio ministry and need money to finance it and you pastor kun doing what you are doing here on nairaland and others that are of the same opinion including myself i believe that we would bring enlightenment to christains and liberate from the bondage of the law and judaism.together we would make people to give with a motive of love and not that of give and recieve.we would liberate them from the fear of the curse and devourer.
Never give up brothers for God is with us and in us

sambas: Just saw it on ait news, Banks in Nigeria to replace atm card with finger print. I don't know if i'm the only one against this development, with the current security pros.Is it not better to loose an atm card to robbers than a finger in every attack?

Bros you may be right but lets see it like this.before an engineering project is started there is always a risk assessment and i believe the firm that will design the machine must put the issue you raised into consideration having a prior knowledge of the high crime rate in our society.
In the light of the above i guess the designer of machine will go beyond the lines on our fingers.i see them also using pulse rate in designing the machine.if you can hold up your finger for awhile you will discover that it is never stady and that is the clear difference between a dead finger and a living one.so in my opinion the machine will be designed to despense cash only when the finger print is from one that has pulse.this is just my thinking. i dont know what they have in mind but i believe that the issue u raised must be put into consideration when designing the machine.

Alwaystrue: @lastmessenger,
That is why people need to study their bible more and gain understanding. She received money to pay for a debt, can she give out of the money as a gift to the poor? The money is not even hers. How can she tithe on money given to her to pay her debt, to pay for her school fees? This is common sense. This is not money she worked for, neither is it dash money to do what she wants with it. Let people rightly divide the word and they will not see things as 'burdens'.
It is obvious you do not know that the people here see their giving as giving to man and many ave called their pastors 'thieving' (any pastor who collects tithes). I keep wondering why they never mention offering for offering was also regulated to what is expected even in the OT. If they see giving offering as not wrong but tithe is to man then that means their giving in church is to man. For we give with faith and we give to God but all giving is used by man in this world. Giving to poor too.

Lolz. It is their mouth sha, they will account for it themselves.

God expects people to give of what they have not what they do not have or own.

Jesus came to free us from the shackles of sins penalties, heal us and make us right with God by Faith. It is laughable seeing people say their 100% is God's yet believe Jesus 'saved' them from tithe calling it their idea of part of 'finished work', just so petty thinking.

As the original owner the cash pro tithers expect me to tithe and that alone would have reduced the money but i didnt tithe and i made someone happy. my rightous belief and understanding is that the money i give away was not just given to a friend but was given to God and so i have done more than tithing and that is what i personally advocate(cheerful giving anywhere any time be it a church, a person or any rightous cause)
you said something about the fact that people believe that giving tithe is giving to man and giving offering is giving to God.well i have to say that both giving is giving to God but tithing is giving to God in a wrong(my opinion) way because it is forced on you and they do so much manipulation to make sure u feel guilty and pay it(which is very wrong).
The example of giving is found in the book acts where they sold their property and laid it on the apostles feet.Ananais and the wife died not because they didnt give all but because they lied.paul in one of his books(i cant remember which) told the apostles that one the first day of the week that each man should set aside an amount to give based on how he is led(he didnt put guilt in anybody).tithing is a dead law and has been done away with on the day christ ressurrected and let me tell you i have seen tithers having the opposite of the reward just because they put their faith in the wrong thing eg myself until i stopped.

I use to be a faithful tither until a particular day.i was listening to my mentor in the lord.this pastor was the one whose preaching got my faith strong and made me hunger for the word.so he said that he doesnt believe in tithing and i was like 'blasphemy' because he didnt explain it and i have been preaching tithing in Rccg.but because of his impact in my life i decided to find out the truth.so i red my bible and studied tithing,went to internet red the opinion of people and i made my conclusion that tithing is hogwash.i didnt stop tithing because i dont like giving away my money but because i was made to put my faith in the wrong place and thing by telling me that tithing is a prosperity principle. only one thing is needed ie faith in God.

let me tell why it is hard for people to believe that tithing is a hogwash.it means that the Dr David Oyedopo,Pastor Chris(my pastor),Adeboye and all the big names with big churches are telling lies.we see them as examples and how can they tell us lies.we see the miracles and we say how can they tell us something that is not true.you see they may not know that they are teaching the wrong thing.my pastor during one of the financial conventions said that u can give yourself out(with money) of a bonding sin you have been struggling with and people seem to be convinced but i know thats not realy the scripture.you cant move fresh to achieve a spiritual matter.i love my pastor chris and i am not leaving him because he said a few wrong thing

A friend of mine needed 10k to settle some debt in school and i promised to give her the money.my friend believe in tithing but i dont.so i got paid for a job i did and the money was exactly 10k and i sent it to her.she desparetly needed the cash because time was due to settle the debt.she got the money and thanked me and went straight and settled her school debt.

I called her and asked if she paid tithe on the money that i sent to her and she answered 'no' and that she forgot.she said she would have paid if she remembered and i told her it means the money will not be enough to settle her debt and she said she believe God would have made a way.i simply asked her if it is not God that brought the 10k in the first place and she agreed it is God. i said if God brought 10k for u to use and settle ur debt why do u think He want u to pay him tithe of 1k and reduce the money.i also told her that if i had paid tithe on the 10k that i would have sent her 9k and by the time she pay her own tithe she would be left with 8k.

You see this is the burden that christ released us from when he died and ressurrected.i didnt worry about the devourer or the curse and that is why i gave a needy friend my money.GOD new what he meant when He said Christ has released us from the curse of the law being made a curse for us.indeed the law is a curse and am happy to be released from it and no man no matter how big he or she is will entagle me with the law
My church preach tithe and i dont care because i know better.am still facing intimidations of devourer and curse in church but i dont care because i know that all those devourer ish is nothing but a hogwash.if all Abraham did is an example for us to follow then i think we are in trouble but i thank God it is not so.

The idea behind the topic as i understand it is not to descourage people from giving money to church but all the op is trying to do is to release people from guilt and bondage.christains should be cheerful givers and not fearful givers.we should give not just to the church but to those in need.infact there is a special reward to those who remember the poor in their giving.give 1% or 10% or 20% or 50% etc as the spirit leads you and do it with joy but remember that he which sow bountifully shall reap bountifully.

I think i will stop here.i just hope i made some sense.GOD BLESS U ALL

SilaV: The first thing is to go 'Bonny way',boss."First thing first". When we are in,one can undergo an on-line top-up degree programme meant for HND holders from the likes of University of Portsmouth or UNISA.This programme is billed to last for one or two years,depending on how one wants it.Having obtained this,if the management of NLNG shows reluctance in upgrading one,then one can wait for opportunities as experienced hires from oil coys like Total,Chevron,Mobil,etc by applying with B.sc.

just like u said the HND thing doesnt matter for now.the thing is to pray for Gods favour and after that u have ur life to plan.as for an online engineering to top i will say that it may be an option but is never a good option.is better u go via pgd and get msc or u go 2 uniport for 3year BEng.Nobody like an online engineering degree

I perfectly understand why palestine is first in the countries that search for the world sex.you see their women gets married at a very early stage maybe 11 12 or 13 and they are made to sit in the house.if the are to got out, they must cover everywhere leaving only 2 holes for their eyes to see. Oh poor boys looking for a way to have a better view of what a woman looks like.GOOGLE thank you for helping them out.

Do u have keke that can fly on the air?

Phder: Jamb is strict! Atleast when I did mine (2010), I wasn't allowed to take in my scientific calculator (that's to show you how mean the supervisors are), and Jamb failed to give us their so called calculator too. Twas the battle of the finger, pencil and plane sheet.

in the end it doesnt make any difference.not being allowed to use a calculator simply mean that they stressed your brain in something that is not important.in the end u enter uni and memorize old notes or one lecturer come and read a textbook for u in the name of lecture.is that what u call education?

This topic is just not making sense to me.ok why do you think that our naija unis are better than that of ghana.this is what i know about our schools: students are made to crame some things and give back to lecturers during exams and that is why u hardly find an engineering graduate of nigerian uni that can stand on his own and deliver.if not for companies that train us,i would say it is a waste of time studying a course like mechanical engineering because in the end u cant even repair a faulty car not to talk of design one.no point for this topic because we aint better than any country in terms of education.i was previleged to mark neco exam and what i saw is not something to write home about.

Changing the name 4 what?like he did anything special 4 us.bullshit.that move is very dumb and it wont make any difference in the university nor any difference in the life of citizens.we should do things that those who are alive should benefit from.the same way they wanted to change unilag to another dead mans name.

donnypool: illuminati taking over churches #teamsaynotoilluminati#

is illuminati an angel?

blink182: you my friend are actually the piece of trash. You and people like you will continue to perish as long as you listen to your pastor and not read your bible yourselves.

how are u sure they will perish?

trolling: most of these women are so clueless to why their head should covered always, it has a spiritual connotation but Christian women dont get it,I know some of my Hebrewess get it, theres a reason why Rachel covered her before Isaac and Jezebel before Yehu,figure it out then we can talk

what could be the reason bro?

Pukkah: People do what they want to do.

Generally, people do what is convenient for them regardless of what anyone or God says

Even when you give them relevant quotations or evidence, they will argue. They interprete the verses to suit their whims. A few of them might see reason with you but the bulk of them will argue, obfuscate issues or even pretend that they don't understand what you're saying.

The average person knows what's reasonable but they just keep on doing what they find easy, fashionable or acceptable.

please tell us ur own side.should ladies leave their head or hair covered or not?

I like them keeping their hair open. i dont know about you

[quote author=US-DRONE]Just This? I thought the Eclipse is meant to cover the Sun and uncover all the atrocities our Politicians are are doing in this country. This is nothing, it always happen during raining season. We are still waiting for the real Eclipse (Political).[/quote]u got me cracking.so funny.

President goodluck was once a lecturer and understand what the problem of the universities are.my question is,why is it so difficult for the fg to honor the agreement it entered with ASUU?were they sleeping when they signed the agreement?

What about the money we have been spending on the sacked senators.will they return it? Am sure they wont.this is one the many ways through which the nations treasury is wasted on politicians.GOD HELP NIGERIA

I dont trust this site

Praying to the maker of the universe.oh lord i need u to help me on this one.NLNG ALL THE WAY

Nation shall rise against nation and brother against brother.this is the end of time.so allow me to shout
END TIME TINZ

Smh for nigerian youths and their desperation to get employed.why not use the money to start a business and grow it into a multinational biz

Nigeria media always bias.i dont trust them and their news.please always read with an informed mind.they want u to believe certain things

Could this be the illuminati gaining entrance into the naija entertainment industry

lets tell the truth nobody will arrest an innocent man and detain him in a democratic setting.i red the report with an informed mind.the truth is this: the main aim of the report is to discredit Gej