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CelebritiesRe: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by laudate: 9:35am On Jul 01, 2019
lexy2014:
It seems u just help proving me right. I really like u for that. U don't fail to disappoint grin grin grin grin

This one that u are now using pictures, seems u have run out of words. What happened?

CelebritiesRe: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by laudate: 9:03am On Jul 01, 2019
lexy2014:
U really really emotional& I really wish I could help u. But my "long boring epistles" should b enough tonic to help u tone up.ur emotions.

Once again I can't help but notice that u have confirmed this:

Ur use of d word "rant" in ur comment & under d circumstances is struggling to fit in& make meaning. If u remember I told u that if we can fix ur dictionary problem, am certain we will b on d same page. But ur dictionary situation is beyond me. Sorry.

Also u saying "justify" and "support". This guy, u don't fail to disappoint. If I ask u to produce any of my comments that support ur use of those words, am 100% certain u won't b able to. Don't let me burden u with a task we both no u won't b able to carry out

CelebritiesRe: Rape Allegation: Between Busola, Pastor Biodun And Social Media Jurists by laudate:
Amanstailored:
You just shot urself on the foot even before learning to walk. You alone argued that she never said yes hence its termed rape. But my arguement was quite simple and clear. That consent cannot always be a matter of verbally saying yes or no. If a woman isnt in a position to say yes or no whether she is a deaf mute or her mouth was strapped then her consent is expressed in her body language. That was my position and the laws position on consent. And please if you really want to make ur arguements do so without the insults and jibe. No human in their right senses would condone rape least of all me. But should we hang every man on a stake simply because a woman says he raped her without a fair trial. Would you do that to every man just because youre a woman hence u sympathise with bisola. Should the law be swayed by public opinions and sentiments rather than fact and evidence. I do feel he is guilty and i no why i feel so. But i rather allow a fair trial to be right so i dont condemn a man only to find out 20years down the line that his accuser made false accusations. You and i werent there were we, its her words against his. Or are u now in the place of God who is all knowing and can emphatically say without a shred of doubt that u saw everytin that transpired and hence fatoyinbo should be incarcerated please enlighten me
Go and talk to a psychologist, to enlighten you. A woman may not be able to give her consent in such situations, if she is paralysed by fear! shocked

Some women freeze in shock, become numb or powerless in the face of such intimidation and coercion, if a powerful person pins them down.

Finally, what on earth gives you the idea that I am a woman? Is it because I believe the pastor is trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes, by insulting our collective intelligence with the watery excuses, he is using as a defence?? huh

Why many rape victims don’t fight or yell

By James W. Hopper June 23, 2015

James W. Hopper, PhD, is an independent consultant and part-time instructor in psychology in the Department of Psychiatry of Harvard Medical School. He has conducted research on the neurobiology of trauma, and trains investigators, prosecutors, judges, and higher-education professionals on its implications. Here, he offers his explanation of why people don’t always respond to an attack the way others might expect:

In the midst of sexual assault, the brain’s fear circuitry dominates. The prefrontal cortex can be severely impaired, and all that’s left may be reflexes and habits.

In the Washington Post’s recent series on college sexual assault, many victims describe how they reacted – and did not react – while being assaulted.

Another article also published this month, in the Harvard Review of Psychiatry, shows that some responses have been programmed into human brains by evolution.

Bringing together the accounts of those who have been assaulted with the neurobiology of trauma can play an essential role in supporting healing and the pursuits of accountability and justice.

For example, freezing is a brain-based response to detecting danger, especially a predator’s attack. Think deer in the headlights.

As one woman told the Post, “I didn’t say no, but I didn’t really know what to do. I just kind of froze.”

Freezing occurs when the amygdala – a crucial structure in the brain’s fear circuitry – detects an attack and signals the brainstem to inhibit movement. It happens in a flash, automatically and beyond conscious control.

Simultaneously with the freeze response, the fear circuitry unleashes a surge of “stress chemicals” into the prefrontal cortex, the brain region that allows us to think rationally – to recall the bedroom door is open, or that people are in the dorm room next door, for example, and to make use of that information.

But the surge of chemicals rapidly impairs the prefrontal cortex. That’s because, despite our dominant role on the planet now, we evolved as prey, and when a lion or tiger is upon us, stopping to think is fatal.

Indeed, no one understands better than the military that intense fear impairs our prefrontal cortex and capacity for reason.

When bullets are flying and blood is flowing, you had better have some really effective habit learning to rely upon.

That’s why combat training is rigorous and repetitive – to burn in habits of effectively firing weapons, executing combat formations, etc.

Most victims will freeze, if only briefly. Some will fight back, effectively. Some will resist in habitual, passive ways. Some will suddenly give in and cry. Others will become paralyzed, become faint, pass out or dissociate.

Few who have experienced these responses realize that they are brain reactions to attack and terror.

They blame themselves for “failing” to resist. They feel ashamed. (Men especially may see themselves as cowards and feel like they’re not real men.) They may tell no one, even during an investigation. Sadly, many investigators and prosecutors still don’t know some or all of these brain-based responses.

None of these responses – in women or men – entails consent or cowardice.

None is evidence of resistance too insufficient to warrant our respect and compassion.

They are responses we should expect from brains dominated by the circuitry of fear (just as we should expect fragmented and incomplete memories).

May the day come when everyone who knows someone who has been sexually assaulted – which is all of us, whether we know that yet or not – understands these basic ways that our brains can react to such attacks and uses this knowledge to foster healing and justice.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2015/06/23/why-many-rape-victims-dont-fight-or-yell/?utm_term=.88d44a8a3377
CelebritiesRe: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by laudate: 8:42am On Jul 01, 2019
lexy2014:
I can c u avoided using d word "boring" to qualify my "epistle". So my epistle is no longer boring? cheesy grin cheesy that's good. At least we are making progress. Am glad u are now enjoying my epistle.

Once again, u are still confirming my observation that English language comprehension is a big problem 4u& like I noted, maybe d dictionary u use was imported 4u from Jupiter. Cos ur choice of words often prove that u its either u don't no d meaning of d word u using or u have another meaning to that word that d rest of planet earth doesn't no.

When u say am "defending" Fatoyinbo, how have I defended him? Can u produce any comment i made to support ur claim? But here is my response 2u earlier. It should help shed light on d emotional issues u are dealing with.

D problem is that u expect everyone to roll over& accept ur point of view. Sorry dude, life isn't that simple. If u can't accept d fact that others have a right 2 their opinion, then don't expect others to accept yours& u will just continue reeling in emotional agony.

It also buttresses d question I asked earlier which like I noted ur guilt won't let u answer:

If I sound intelligent, then am intelligent. Tnx 4 recognising that. grin cheesy grin

Once again, ur classic pot-calling-kettle-black syndrome in full display. By waking up @ 2:03am to respond to my "boring epistle", does that not confirm that what u wrote above is a summary of u? Whose mouthpiece are u acting as? U are d most visible person on this thread. All d comments u have made so far, was on ur behalf or busolas? Did she assign u as her mouthpiece? Once again u have confirmed this:
Another long rant from your end, you to justify Fatoyinbo's nonsense. We all know people like you who support disgusting evil acts...

CelebritiesRe: Rape Allegation: Between Busola, Pastor Biodun And Social Media Jurists by laudate:
Chubhie:
This your position is faulty. Even if a woman consents to the sex and decides to change her mind in the middle of your çum and says stop, the law demands that you stop immediately and roll back the preçum cos failure to adhere to this updated rule effectively renders you a rapist.
Tell him, o! shocked May God bless you for enlightening the clueless ones, on this matter. Like I keep saying: once a woman witholds her consent or permission for a sexual act, and the man goes ahead (e.g. by using pressure) it is RAPE. End of story.

Let him try it abroad, and see if he will not land in jail.... undecided

It is totally and absolutely wrong to pressure a woman into sex!
CelebritiesRe: Rape Allegation: Between Busola, Pastor Biodun And Social Media Jurists by laudate:
Amanstailored:
Consent isnt always expressed as verbal yes or no that would mean that forcing yourself on a deaf woman isnt rape just because she didnt say the word no. Consent is most times expressed in her reaction and body language which speaks volumes.
While talking about consent most times the law try to illustrate it in terms of a cup of tea. You either say yes i want a cup of tea or no i dont want a cup of tea, which is quite simple, a girl can either allow for sex meaning yes i want it or resist meaning no whether she chooses to be verbal or silent is irrelevant her action speaks louder than words. But going back to the cup of tea analogy one might also argue that someone might say no to a cup of tea 5minutes ago only to change their mind 5minutes later which is true and can be interpreted as consent. A girl may resist sex at the beginning only to enjoy it 10minutes into it and in criminal law that would be interpreted as consensual.
The more comments you make, the more stuvpid you sound. You claim that "consent" is implied, in a sexual act. Are you normal?? huh Which so-called body language, did Busola use to express her consent? Were you there when the pastor intimidated, manipulated and coerced her into sex?

Are you aware that if consent is witheld, or denied and a man still goes ahead with the sexual act, it is nothing but rape?? shocked Consent has to be verbalised, and demonstrated in a way that gives no room for ambiguity. That was not the case in Busola's matter.

A woman may become paralysed with fear, or numb with shock so she is powerless to talk or resist! So what kind of consent is implied, in such a case? Ask any psychologist and stop justifying rubbbish. Watch the video, o you supporter of the Krest master.

From your comments, it appears that you condone rape, by using the excuse that "consent is implied. " Arrant nansense! angry
CelebritiesRe: Rape Allegation: Between Busola, Pastor Biodun And Social Media Jurists by laudate: 8:01am On Jul 01, 2019
1StopRudeness:
Do you even understand me...as in sincerly from the bottom of ur heart..do U feel what Uve just written is the response to the comment I made.
As in sorry ooooo.. I asked an hypothetical question with a hypothetical scenario so as to establish drive home the argument and u are saying I should show u where she said yes...
As in do u even comprehend my last comment and previous comment?? Did u see any where I wrote that she said yes..??
Oga, please stop quoting me if you have nothing sensible to say....your rants do not hold any water. sad

You are trying to use silly examples, to defend a disgusting act. I repeat: when a woman does not say YES, or if she witholds her consent to a sexual act, and the man persists in going ahead, it is RAPE. End of story. shocked No grammar in the world that you speak, will change it.

If you want to follow in Fatoyinbo's footsteps, by manipulating, intimidating and coercing unsuspecting women into bed, feel free. The thunder that will fire you, the curses that will trail you and the disgrace that will bury you, are doing press-up at Bar beach. Just be rest assured that you will not get away with it, because they will locate your house without any delay. #Say NO to Rape. angry
CelebritiesRe: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by laudate:
lexy2014:
There are a few things that I noted about u& u keeping confirming those things. one of them is d fact that u seem 2 use a different dictionary from d one we use on planet earth. Pls what is ur understanding of d word "rant"? If u have any ambivalence about d word read thru ur comments. If we could fix ur dictionary issues, am certain we would have been on d same page.

Also, there is d classic pot-calling-kettle-black syndrome that u display. D fact that u feel u are entitled while others aren't. That's y I asked u this earlier which ur guilt wouldn't let u answer

If u say am guilty of ur accusation below, can u pls tell me how all u have been doing on this thread for busola is different from what u just wrote below?

There's a saying that when u point one finger at others, d other four are pointing back at u. So in all ur accusations about others, u have weightier accusations pointing back at u. I won't b surprised that u also have a history like d one u are accusing Fatoyinbo of having.



Do u no what I like most about this comment? D part where u said my "epistle" is "boring". U had to wake up at 2:03am in d morning to respond 2a "boring epistle". grin cheesy grin dude, that is classic. I can also count 7 responses u made to my "boring epistles". How does someone take his time to write d many grammar u wrote just to respond 2 something that is boring? U keep shooting urself in d foot.

Another thing I like about d above comment is d part where u said Fatoyinbo is my pastor. I believe i addressed that issue previously but let me remind u:

I don't have a pastor anywhere. I don't even remember when last I went to church. So if u think insulting Fatoyinbo will move me, u got it wrong. U have to think of something else
Another long epistle from you, to defend a man, who cannot even provide a robust articulate defence for himself, but chooses to issue a watery pathetic excuse that doesn't hold water.

All these long stories will not exonerate your Fatoyinbo. shocked Everyone can see through him. No need for your long grammar.

And stop trying to project your narrative of falsehood on me. I can never have a history like Fatoyinbo. God forbid! angry Maybe you do sha, that is why you are defending him with such fervour, and accusing others of such disgusting behaviour.

Let him go to court to sue Busola for defamation, if he dares. Na dat day, e go know say khaki no be leather. No need for long grammar. Since you do not have any other job, but to act as his mouthpiece for now, I will let you have the floor. sad Keep huffing, puffing and spewing out long adjectives, in a bid to sound intelligent.

Oya continue to defend his disgusting actions, like you normally do. It shows the kind of person you are.... cheesy
CelebritiesRe: Rape Allegation: Between Busola, Pastor Biodun And Social Media Jurists by laudate: 2:12am On Jul 01, 2019
1StopRudeness:
U ddnt get my question at all, what planet are u from...that’s a very vague response...to all I aske u

Let’s even forget all the scenarios and view it froma sex angle only ..As a man, how do u know a consent has been withheld, no body language, no verbal refusal no reluctance..I don’t know if u are a virgin ooo but how many sexual act starts with:
Man: Do u want me to fvck you
Woman: Yes
You are too ridiculous for words. angry Please watch her video again, and show us exactly where she said "Yes," to the sexual act of the pastor. Kindly tell the truth if you can, and let the devil be ashamed. Don't forget that all liars go to hell, o! shocked
CelebritiesRe: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by laudate: 2:03am On Jul 01, 2019
lexy2014:
Am still yet to understand how u came about this ur standard for determining a persons ability to comprehend English language. When did d acceptance or non acceptance of Fatoyinbos denial now become d criteria 4 assesing if a person understands English language or not? Or were u taught "biodun Fatoyinbo" in English language just d way u were taught words& opposite or parts of speech? That's a good one cos in ur attempt 2 smear d guy, u have inadvertently exalted him as a standard in English language. Kudos cheesy grin cheesy

If u aren't being belligerent, then y are u offended that am "defending" Fatoyinbo, which in any case am not. But u too emotional 2 discern between defence & stating d situation d way it is. U too emotional 2 even accept that opinions will vary irrespective of where u stand.

There are two sides to this case. U have already vehemently pitched ur tent on one side& concluded that d other side& all those who don't c things ur way are in d same group. Without giving d other side d benefit of d doubt& without being a witness, u have become d judge, prosecution, plaintiff & jury, drawing conclusions & giving judgement even b4 d case has started.

At first, u were ranting all over d thread that Fatoyinbo didn't deny anything when u hadn't even read d statement. Upon presenting excerpts 2u, u said because d guy didnt do it d way Neymar did it so therefore its not good enough. U mentioned Neymar several times. I chose to ignore u at first cos it was obvious u didn't no what u were saying. By d time I broke down d Neymar situation 4u vis-à-vis this situation, u crawled back into ur cave. I didn't hear of Neymar again.

It shows something. U are emotionally charged& u are spilling ur emotions all over d place. That's not how things like this work.

U said busola has stated her case. Pls who did she state it to?



If u aren't on busolas payroll & u don't no her at any level, then what made u think am on Fatoyinbos payroll & that am a member of his church? Does that mean its ok 4u to take a stance on an issue but it is wrong 4 others to do same?

D way u concluded that am on Fatoyinbos payroll & that am a member of his church confirms d subjective manner with which u tag& label others because their views differ from yours. U didn't even no me, but u already drew ur conclusions& judged me. So if u could do that with me, then its obvious that it's d same subjective standard of judgement u have used to draw ur conclusions on this Fatoyinbo/busola case. Am sure that's y u have given "pastoral duties" a meaning that fits ur subjectivity.
The longer the epistles you write, the more you expose your cluelessness. shocked The man who committed the disgusting act, cannot even come to equity with clear hands. He is offering flimsy pathetic excuses, as a watery defence. cheesy

It is gullible simpletons like you that are wailing louder than him, in a bid to defend his disgusting acts. What a pity.

Oya, rant some more and write another long boring epistle to defend the indefensible, sordid actions of your so-called 'pastor'. undecided Let him go to court, if he has the guts to do so. Breeze go blow, fowl yansh go open...
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Biodun Speaks Amid Rape Accusation, Tells Members Not To Fight Protesters by laudate: 1:58am On Jul 01, 2019
Ikpongiton:
that girl is lying .she can only mislead gullible minded people like xou.that the retired hoe had to wait this long ,to come out with this poo speak volume
She is a retired...what? Were you the one who made her a 'hoe?
CelebritiesRe: Rape Allegation: Between Busola, Pastor Biodun And Social Media Jurists by laudate: 6:31pm On Jun 30, 2019
dairykidd:
Not with other people (her sisters around) Even the most timid person would scream or run or struggle that would attract other who are close enough to hear
No sir. Not everyone behaves the same way. Some people would just freeze in shock, under the same circumstances. Ask any psychologist.
CelebritiesRe: Rape Allegation: Between Busola, Pastor Biodun And Social Media Jurists by laudate: 6:29pm On Jun 30, 2019
NextBuhari:
Unsubstantiated details? The circumstances of the Bill Cosby case are not similar to the instant case. Moreover, investigative procedures and processes in the US are poles apart from those in Nigeria. I pray that Fatoyinbo sues the duo so that a legal precedence will be laid on similar future cases.
Fatoyinbo does not have the guts to sue her, as a lot of skeletons in his cupboard will be exposed. sad

He dodged all the questions thrown at him a few years back, during the Ese Walters issue. The allegations back then were quite weighty. Today, you think he will go to court?

I pray he does so. He will just fast track his own disgrace. cheesy
CelebritiesRe: Rape Allegation: Between Busola, Pastor Biodun And Social Media Jurists by laudate: 6:24pm On Jun 30, 2019
1StopRudeness:
Please define pressure.??.pressure that is tantamount to me violating your human right

.I could pressure u into following me to the cinema even though u don’t want to at the moment..and u did...if something happens to Ibom the way..will I be responsible

I could pressure u into having a bottle of alcohol or a wrap of weed or a sniff of cocaine with me... u know...telling u its fine, u will feel good..but u don’t really want to...if u die of overdose, am I guilty of murder

In fact because we are close, I could pressure u into following me to the mall, cajole u, take ur card,u ddnt feel like it neither did I say no, but I was pressuring you into buying a few stuff for me when u don’t really want to....can I later be charged for robbery or theft

When u say pressure...in between the time lag of pressuring and doing the act being pressured to do...even though reluctance is involved, is there some form of consent mixed in between..that’s isn’t making u telling me staring up NO and stand by it..isn’t this quiet conscent that confuses people sometimes


..cos what U are saying now is even though in ur mind u don’t feel like but I scope u and u don’t say no.i have violated ur right as a human being...cos at that u ddnt want to:..but u did anyways becos I pressured you..:

Once again.. I don’t get what u mean by pressure..cos it’s like a lot of accusations is about to go down
The minute a woman witholds her consent to a sexual act, and the man still goes ahead, it is RAPE.
CelebritiesRe: Rape Allegation: Between Busola, Pastor Biodun And Social Media Jurists by laudate: 6:21pm On Jun 30, 2019
NextBuhari:
I did, and no where in the video did she admit having any evidence. Use this incident to learn and not allow emotions and sentiments to blur your sense of judgement.
The person who experienced the rape, at the hands of the man, made a video stating exactly what happened and citing instances, timelines and details of what transpired. undecided

Even the pastor did not deny knowing her. He merely gave one pathetic excuse, that he carried out "pastoral duties" for her.

In his own mind, maybe those pastoral duties, include coercing or intimidating unsuspecting women, into carrying out sexual acts. sad

And you are here asking for evidence...so the person's testimony means nothing? shocked

When Bill Cosby was arrested in USA for sexual assaults that took place more than 30 years ago, was he convicted or not?

In Busola Dakolo's case, she never said she gave him consent to sleep with her. And once a woman witholds consent, it is RAPE. Too many people have been arrested for such things abroad.
CelebritiesRe: Rape Allegation: Between Busola, Pastor Biodun And Social Media Jurists by laudate: 6:00pm On Jun 30, 2019
NextBuhari:
Of the rape!
Did you watch her video before coming here to type this post?? shocked And did you read the pastor's response, before rushing here to ask questions?
CelebritiesRe: Rape Allegation: Between Busola, Pastor Biodun And Social Media Jurists by laudate: 5:54pm On Jun 30, 2019
NextBuhari:
Agreed! But evidence?
Evidence of what? Her consent? Or the act of intercourse?
CelebritiesRe: Rape Allegation: Between Busola, Pastor Biodun And Social Media Jurists by laudate: 5:36pm On Jun 30, 2019
TonyeBarcanista:
Being a philanderer doesn't translate to being a rapist
Is there anywhere that Busola stated she gave him her consent, to become sexually intimate with her? As long as a woman witholds her consent to a sexual encounter, it is RAPE if the man still goes ahead with the act of intercourse. It does not matter if violence or force, is not involved.
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Biodun Speaks Amid Rape Accusation, Tells Members Not To Fight Protesters by laudate: 5:31pm On Jun 30, 2019
samguru:
The conglomeration of the feminists echoed busola's voice to champion their course "feminism" as usual.

My question is who was there when the incident happened? If these protesters are agitating based on what Busola said,Am afraid one useless blackmailer will come to social media someday and say Pastor Adeboye raped her when she was a student at University of Lagos and Dr. Olukoya was there watching.

#senselessagitation
#derailedpeople
#failedgeneration
#mediacrucifixion
#joblesspeople
#povertatwork
#brokedakolos
Don't even mention Pastor Kumuyi or Pastor Areboye's name. angry These are true men of God, that practise real life Christianity. They will never put themselves in any compromising position. So how can any woman wake up to suddenly accuse them of such a disgusting thing? Impossible.
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Biodun Speaks Amid Rape Accusation, Tells Members Not To Fight Protesters by laudate: 5:20pm On Jun 30, 2019
Ikpongiton:
judge not ,so that ,you will not also be judge.
It is people like you that condone rape. If it happened to your sister, daughter or relative will you be singing "judge not...?"
CelebritiesRe: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by laudate: 5:00pm On Jun 30, 2019
lexy2014:
Every human being has a right 2 defend himself & d man has done so. I don't even need 2 defend him cos his statement is enough defence 4 him. Just d way u have pitched ur tent with busola that her story is airtight, is d same way others c d situation differently. If she feels she has a case, let her head to court. Its that simple. I don't c y u are getting emotional as if u want take sniper over d issue. U aren't d one that was raped. We are all spectators in d matter. So I don't understand ur aggression & belligerent attitude toward anyone who doesn't c things ur way.

Fatoyinbo was "accused" of wrongdoing & not convicted of wrongdoing. This y I said ur comprehension of English language is a problem or u are probably using a different dictionary from d one d whole world uses.

Are u on busolas payroll? D way u are defending her doesn't it show that u are on her payroll? Or maybe u are her P.A.?

Whether his defence are a bunch of pathetic stories or not, he has issued a denial which u said he didn't in d first place. D same way u don't believe d pastors response 2d issue, is d same way many can logically puncture holes in busolas story. Its her word against his. Nothing is factual at d moment. That's just d reality. So pls, take a chill pill
Your own comprehension of English language is totally faulty, if you claim that the pathetic excuse the man provided, is a defence. shocked

Nobody is being belligerent here. And if you see any aggression, it is totally a figment of your imagination, that you are trying to project unto someone else, who does not share your views.

Busola stated her case loud and clear. She cited instances, events, timelines and gave details of what transpired between her and the pastor. undecided

Why didn't the pastor respond in the same manner, by stating explicitly what took place during his encounters with Busola? Instead he gave that pathetic excuse of "pastoral duties" which probably includes preying on unsuspecting women, and coercing or intimidating them into sexual acts.

I am not on Busola's payroll. angry I don't even know her on any level. But by weighing the pastor's excuse that he calls a defence, I can tell he is just trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes. He should stop trying to insult our collective intelligence. shocked

You are free to continue defending his disgusting actions. Let him go to court and sue Busola for defaming his name, if he has the guts. sad
CelebritiesRe: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by laudate: 11:28am On Jun 30, 2019
lexy2014:
What has my defending d pastor got 2do with comprehending English language? grin cheesy grin you c why I said u are all over d place with ur emotions? I can't believe a person who said he comprehends English language just said that.

Pls read d following & tell me what it means, especially d last sentence. I believe it is comprehensive enough:

"I have never in my life raped anybody even as an unbeliever and I am absolutely innocent of this."

I wasn't there with him my dear same way u werent with busola. Its d same way every other Nigerian got access to d guys statement that I got it, from d news. Like I said earlier u were just ranting all d while without even reading d statement. There are always two sides 2a story& both individuals have told their sides 2d story. So I don't c y u are so emotional about d whole issue.

Is Google not ur friend? Is Google ur enemy? Y should I check Google when I have u? At least u said he is "surrounded by sexual controversies". That means u must no d stories behind those controversies.

When u keep bringing up this neymar issue, u just confirming what I said about comprehending English language. In d case of fatoyinbo, he denied ever having sexual relations with busola & also denied raping her.

Neymar didn't deny having sexual relations with his accuser but denied raping her. To prove his point, he showed WhatsApp exchanges& nude pictures willingly sent to him by his accuser.

Except u are telling me there were WhatsApp exchanges between fatoyinbo & busola in which busola sent d pastor her nude pix, then that puts d rape theory in d trash.
You are one of those who would defend wrong doing and vice, even if virtue came knocking on their door.

The way you are defending the man's flimsy excuses, shows you are either on his payroll or a member of his congregation.

He denied raping any woman. He claimed he only offered "pastoral duties" to Busola. Duties, you know nothing about. Obviously, those pastoral duties must have included carnal knowledge and coercion of unsuspecting woman, into sexual acts.

And you are here waving a flag on his behalf, carrying out a crusade for him and absolving him of any wrong doing. Wow! shocked

I repeat: his excuses do not hold water. The girl has made specific allegations against him citing locations, timelines and situations. The man has not yet addressed any of those encounters directly. sad

With the level of detail provided by the girl, his so-called defence is nothing more than a bunch of pathetic excuses. End of story.

You are free to write another long epistle, with multiple chapters, to defend him.
CelebritiesRe: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by laudate: 11:06am On Jun 30, 2019
Elvis778:
remind me where she said she withheld her consent,
cuz i didn't see any,
he only pushed her to the couch and had his way,
and she was too shocked in her own house to even struggle,
what a lie,
simply tell the world you both had a sexual affair and we will understand that you were young with rushing hormones that a single touch made you loose it.

Not telling us that u were rapped,
simply to gain public sympathy.
What a society.
Oh, remind me where she gave her express permission or consent, to having sex with the man, because I cannot see it. shocked

Some of you are so bent on defending wrong doing and vice, that even if virtue came and knocked on your door, you will not open it. undecided

Even a psychologist has clarified how the human body reacts in such a situation, yet you are still arguing because you want to justify the man's disgusting actions. Na wah o!
CelebritiesRe: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by laudate: 11:00am On Jun 30, 2019
lexy2014:
First of all, u said d man didn't deny. So what u are quoting is it a denial? Yes or No? Obviously, u were just ranting when u hadn't even read d guys statement.

U said he didn't deny raping busola. Now u have read d denial. So which other girl is he supposed to admit sleeping with outside his marriage? I asked u earlier, are u sure u are using d same dictionary like d rest of d world? U seem 2b allover d place with ur points.

When a person says pastoral duties, does it include rape? U amaze me cos u don't even seem 2 have a grasp of simple words.

U sound as if u were there or that u were a witness. D same way busola has a right to accuse, is d same way fatoyinbo has a right to deny d accusations & defend himself which he has done. U weren't a witness to d event. So y do u now expect him 2 accept d accusations?

Is there anywhere I said u said that "sexual controversies" is a crime? Can u pls produce d comment?
I didn't no English was a difficult language to comprehend. Oga pls read my comment below again & compare it with what u wrote above
Obviously, English is a difficult language for you to comprehend, otherwise you would not continue defending a pastor who cannot defend himself. sad You sound as if you were there, when the pastor was crafting his denial. Or you were there, when he was meeting with Busola on each occassion.

His denials still do not address each of the allegations or encounters, the girl described in clear detail. sad

He has not denied all the sexual encounters that Busola claimed they had. He has not denied going to her house. undecided His excuse is to claim he did not go beyond "pastoral duties," with her. Really?? shocked Tell him to define what this pastoral duties entail. Because in his own dictionary, it looks like it entails carnal knowledge, of unsuspecting women.

Let him address each of the issues, the lady brought up, in clear terms like Neymar did in his own case.

As for which other girl he had sexual relations with, please check the internet. Google is your friend.
CelebritiesRe: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by laudate: 10:48am On Jun 30, 2019
Elvis778:
ofcourse not everybody,
depending on the condition,
if your brain knows quite alright that Nothing will save you from the situation (e.g, rape at gun point) you won't make a move at all, your reflex will fail you.
But when your mind is very sure that you can escape (in your own house oo) you have the might,
your reflex will work perfectly well then, don't deny this fact please.

I have nothing else to say to you,
but i urge u to try and read her story again with you right frame of mind and not with your emotions leading the way.

You'll understand it's SEDUCTION and not RAPE.
Thanks
Were you inside her mind, to know what her mind was thinking at that point?? huh Or are you in charge of her reflexes to know if it would work in that situation?

It is NOT seduction, because she did NOT give her consent, before he had sexual contact with her. Why do you find that so difficult to understand?? shocked Once a woman witholds her consent to sex, and the man still goes ahead, it becomes rape. Let him try this abroad, and see if he would not be accused of rape.
CelebritiesRe: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by laudate: 10:36am On Jun 30, 2019
Elvis778:
Well i see my effort to EDUCATE you on the difference between rape and seduction is like pouring water on a hen.
Like ave always said, am against the man, what he did is morally wrong.
But then he didn't RAPE her, just understand the difference,
he pushed her on the couch and played some games on her that she couldn't resist, then had his way, this is simply SEDUCTION (persuading someone to have sex with you)

If he threatened her or resorted to using violence, or maybe she even asked or begged him to stop,
or even tried to struggle, or even asked him why his doing this, or even try to run,
remember it's in her own house? Psychologically she has the upper hand to defend her self,
you can't tell me she was so shocked that she couldn't do a thing in her own father's house??
Common, that's too lame,

since she said he came in and made her feel weak that she just let him have his way without resistance, then it's simply SEDUCTION.
Oga, try to call a spade, a spade. Unless you have witnessed a rape before, you cannot say all rape victims will fight back in the heat of the moment. Human beings react differently. So please stop defending the indefensible. sad

She never gave him express permission to have sex with her. So his actions cannot be classified as seduction in any way.

Even a psychologist has confirmed that not everybody will be in a state of mind to fight back. And yes, a person can be raped under their own roof. Haven't you heard of girls being raped in their own family house, by male relatives before? huh
CelebritiesRe: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by laudate: 10:32am On Jun 30, 2019
lexy2014:
Oga don't get emotional. Pls read what I wrote here:

D English I used is very unambiguous. So I c were u c d lies u are talking about.

This is an excerpt from fatoyinbos statement.

“As an individual and as a church, we love and support people, we will never condone any form of rape, harassment, or intimidation of anybody. I have never in my life raped anybody even as an unbeliever and I am absolutely innocent of this.

“Busola Dakolo, who has made this false allegation and her family, attended the church during the early start of the church in Ilorin in 1999. I never had any private interactions with her beyond my pastoral duties.”


Pls compare d above with wgat u said

From d excerpts, is that a denial or are u using a different dictionary from d rest of d world? Or u probably didn't even read d statement in d first place?

Which one are accusing him of? Are u accusing him of not denying or u are accusing him of not laying out d facts? U seem 2b allover d place
He said he has never raped, even as an unbeliever. But he never said he has never coerced a girl into sleeping with him outside his marriage. Having sex with a girl without her consent, is still classified as rape.

He said "I never had any private interactions with her beyond my pastoral duties.” Really?? shocked So all the encounters the girl said took place, were a figment of her imagination? Why didn't he pick each one, and address it? Did his pastoral duties include the carnal contact, they had? He needs to define what he means by pastoral duties, o. undecided

Finally, you have only quoted the part where I said the pastor is sorrounded by sexual controversies. You have still not provided evidence to show where my post expressly stated that 'sexual controversies is a crime' like you alleged.
CelebritiesRe: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by laudate: 10:15am On Jun 30, 2019
Elvis778:
"some will paralyze, faint, cry, or fight back"

so which of these did she do??

See ennn,
am not saying what the pastor did was right,
but like she reported in her story,
the pastor didn't apply force or threat or even violence, and she still froze??
he simply had his way, quietly.
Who does that?
Unless she was born without reflex arc (which is not possible)

if she said the man pointed a gun at her or threatened her not to shout or speak or even hushed her and she froze,
that will be alot more easier to believe.
But the man only said "be happy a man of God is doing this to you" and she froze?
Lol,
i know we humans got emotions but, i won't let my emotions judge a case for me.
Didn't she say she was in shock? Couldnt this have caused her temporary paralysis or inability to defend herself? All this your grammar just because you want to defend a man, who has refused to defend himself? shocked If the same thing happened to your younger sister or wife, would you be here giving this same fake excuses?

Listen to the psychologist again.

Most victims will freeze, if only briefly. Some will fight back, effectively. Some will resist in habitual, passive ways. Some will suddenly give in and cry. Others will become paralyzed, become faint, pass out or dissociate.
Did the lady do any of these? Yes....she was passive and was dissociated.
CelebritiesRe: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by laudate: 10:13am On Jun 30, 2019
Elvis778:
she still didn't mention how he threatened her,
or did she?

There was no threat, violence or force,
why do you den term rape?

May i remind you that the word "SEDUCTION" means luring someone until he/she gives u his/her consent, which can be verbally, quietly, emotionally or physically (by playing along)

this is the only reasonable thing one can picture from that story,
it's a case of seduction not Rape,


if it's rape, then she should go ahead and sue him, that's how it's done in civilised countries.
For the fact she's yet to do so,
then i see no reason why you shud term the man a criminal.

Ofcourse having sex is not a criminal offence
Force can be physical or emotional. Any threat, intimidation or coercion is interpreted as force. In this case, from what she said he clearly coerced her, manipulated and intimidated her. You can continue defending the indefensible, till Kingdom come.

A preacher who is married has no business having sexual relations with a single lady, outside his marriage. Or has Exodus Chapter 20 verse 14 been deleted from the Bible?
CelebritiesRe: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by laudate:
lexy2014:
Am I d one who made this up?

And I didn't tell u that sexual controversies constitute a crime. If u are saying d above, then u must b able to establish it is a crime for u to bring it up. Pls read again. There's nowhere I said it is a crime

At first u said he did not deny. Now u said he did not lay out d facts. So which one are u accusing him of?
Yes, I said too many sexual controversies sorround the man. But did I say sexual controversy equals a crime? huh Must you lie to make a point?

I repeat: he did not deny knowing Busola Dakolo his accuser. He did not deny having sexual contact with her. He did not deny participating in any of the encounters she claims they had.

If he truly wanted to clear his name, he would have taken each of the allegations levelled against him, and addressed it clearly by laying out facts, to show how it could not have happened. sad

When Neymar was accused of something similar recently, what did he do? He laid out the facts and defended himself, and his accusers retreated and shut up. Did the same guy you are defending now, do so? No! So what are you going on about? shocked
CelebritiesRe: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by laudate: 9:58am On Jun 30, 2019
Elvis778:
Talk of being frozen and all that,
that's a lie from the pit of hell,
naturally, females hate being raped and will do anything in their power to escape when trapped, especially a virgin. Unless he did it at gun point (which she didn't mention).
She didn't even make mention of begging him or something like that,
like she said, she just froze and allowed him quietly? In her own house?
Oh man, use your brain na.
You are the one that should use your brain. Did she say at any point, that she invited him to come and sleep with her inside her house, or anywhere? Did she give him express permission to do so? Let us hope the next post below, will answer your questions.

life2017:
Why many rape victims don’t fight or yell

By James W. Hopper June 23, 2015

James W. Hopper, PhD, is an independent consultant and part-time instructor in psychology in the Department of Psychiatry of Harvard Medical School. He has conducted research on the neurobiology of trauma, and trains investigators, prosecutors, judges, and higher-education professionals on its implications. Here, he offers his explanation of why people don’t always respond to an attack the way others might expect:

By James W. Hopper, PhD

In the midst of sexual assault, the brain’s fear circuitry dominates. The prefrontal cortex can be severely impaired, and all that’s left may be reflexes and habits.

In the Washington Post’s recent series on college sexual assault, many victims describe how they reacted – and did not react – while being assaulted. Another article also published this month, in the Harvard Review of Psychiatry, shows that some responses have been programmed into human brains by evolution.


Bringing together the accounts of those who have been assaulted with the neurobiology of trauma can play an essential role in supporting healing and the pursuits of accountability and justice.

For example, freezing is a brain-based response to detecting danger, especially a predator’s attack. Think deer in the headlights.

As one woman told the Post, “I didn’t say no, but I didn’t really know what to do. I just kind of froze.”

Freezing occurs when the amygdala – a crucial structure in the brain’s fear circuitry – detects an attack and signals the brainstem to inhibit movement. It happens in a flash, automatically and beyond conscious control.

Simultaneously with the freeze response, the fear circuitry unleashes a surge of “stress chemicals” into the prefrontal cortex, the brain region that allows us to think rationally – to recall the bedroom door is open, or that people are in the dorm room next door, for example, and to make use of that information.

But the surge of chemicals rapidly impairs the prefrontal cortex. That’s because, despite our dominant role on the planet now, we evolved as prey, and when a lion or tiger is upon us, stopping to think is fatal.

Indeed, no one understands better than the military that intense fear impairs our prefrontal cortex and capacity for reason.

When bullets are flying and blood is flowing, you had better have some really effective habit learning to rely upon.

That’s why combat training is rigorous and repetitive – to burn in habits of effectively firing weapons, executing combat formations, etc.

Most victims will freeze, if only briefly. Some will fight back, effectively. Some will resist in habitual, passive ways. Some will suddenly give in and cry. Others will become paralyzed, become faint, pass out or dissociate.

Few who have experienced these responses realize that they are brain reactions to attack and terror.

They blame themselves for “failing” to resist. They feel ashamed. (Men especially may see themselves as cowards and feel like they’re not real men.) They may tell no one, even during an investigation. Sadly, many investigators and prosecutors still don’t know some or all of these brain-based responses.

None of these responses – in women or men – entails consent or cowardice.

None is evidence of resistance too insufficient to warrant our respect and compassion.

They are responses we should expect from brains dominated by the circuitry of fear (just as we should expect fragmented and incomplete memories).

May the day come when everyone who knows someone who has been sexually assaulted – which is all of us, whether we know that yet or not – understands these basic ways that our brains can react to such attacks and uses this knowledge to foster healing and justice.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2015/06/23/why-many-rape-victims-dont-fight-or-yell/?utm_term=.88d44a8a3377
CelebritiesRe: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by laudate: 9:44am On Jun 30, 2019
Godside:
AM NOT DEFENDING ANYTHING. ALL AM SAYING IS THAT SHE IS DOING ALL THIS WITH THE WRONG MOTIVE . THE MAN IS GUILTY BUT REVEAL WHY YOU ARE SPEAKING NOW. PLEASE DO YOU THINK THEY JUST CAME ONLINE WITHOUT PLAN ? DO YOU THINK SHE CAME ONLINE CUZ OF TRAUMA. THIS IS A GAME PLAN , TAG WITH RAPE TO MAKE IT SELL .
Go back and watch her video from begining to end. She has revealed why she is just speaking up now. Do that before you come back to misyarn on this thread....

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