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Kemi Sisi Eko

As for pastor COZA, this is not the first time we are hearing this kind of allegation against him.

First it was Ese Walters, the second one was the wife of a popular DJ in Abuja who works with Cool FM Abuja, DJ TTB, the third one was one of the church members who allegedly said she had a child for the same pastor COZA and then this fourth episode from Busola.... Habaa!

How can 4 women who once attended the same church at one point or the other be accusing the same Pastor COZA of entering their Garden of Eden with or without consent?

Frog talk say e no know wetin em go talk water go full em mouth.

Nawa ooh!

Please pray for Busola. Please avoid my post of you are a lawyer and you don't have sense. https://free.facebook.com/story.php?story_

glowingflame7:
You clearly have not yet gotten the meaning of "complicit" in your local language to aid your understanding. There's no much help I can render here.

Joromi12:
Busola he raped u. But u still attended his church for 10 years more and were even choir mistress. U and fatoyinbo are scum

Nairaface:
Your position so far has been anything but rational, I’m afraid.

You failed to state how your “question” has any bearing to her claim. There is a reason judges side with lawyers when they object to opposing lawyers raising certain issues on ground of relevance. You, or any sane person that care to know whether a person claiming to have been raped is promiscuous before forming an opinion, need to ask yourself why you are trying to victim-shame. Are you really that concerned about promiscuity, or trying to shame future/other victims into silence?

If you can show how your question is relevant. You could have made your point about the likelihood of her claim being false (just as there is a likelihood of it being true; 50% chance) without trying to cast aspersions on either party if you were truly being rational and in pursuit of facts, and not being a misogynistic rape apologist as your post which I first responded to screams.

I see how you are deflecting from the direct questions I posed to you.

sweetrace:
Brainwash you? Haba! Your opinion doesn’t matter now! You got into my mentions and out of good manners, I responded to you.

DOMINO001:
If all you have said are not possible, then how do you expect the rape victims to get justice. Is it after 20yrs of incidence. Mind you the issue of police cuts across all crimes in Nigeria. When there is an arm robbery incidence in your district, you know calling police maybe a problem, because you may call but no response, but then you just have to call them. Or do you wait after 10yrs before you go on fb and start shouting that you were robbed?
I know you will say robbery and rape are not the same but both are crimes. And when there is crime something has to be done immediately, not when you cannot get hold of the criminal.

Amanstailored:
Lol... My comments was actually in support of the answer you gave #laudate, the person u were arguing with. I was only trying to support ur view point. Maybe u should have read my comments. Pls read it

Amanstailored:
No problem. Thanks for reading my follow up message. I got interested in ur threads of messages because i was thinkin if i cant convince laudate den maybe someone more sensible can do it. But ur conversations with him only revealed how myopic and narrow minded he/she was. Anyways enjoy ur day like its GOLDEN

Amanstailored:
I wonder why u waist time and breath debating with this guy #laudate(assuming he is a guy wich i frankly dont care). I have had my share of arguements with him/her and it seems like talking to a brick wall or worse someone with an IQ the size of a tea spoon. Bisola didnt sue or file a police report but went straight to almighty judge youtube and made her accusations, and to what end so that the man would get irritated or act hastingly in a bid to prove his innocence and sue her(bisola) and then like #laudate said she start opening up all the cupboard that contains the mans skeleton? The same cupboard where bisola has stored her own rotten skeletons. In the world of SMART MOVES, this is probably the dumbest thing have heard. The man might as well sit his ass down, say nothing, chill out and just let this whole saga die down and trust me what then becomes of her accusations, it becomes an echo, gone with the wind! #laudate speaks so highly of psychology wich is almost impressive but says somuch of his/her lack of psychological intuition. Go watch the video #laudate and before you pls read something about body language psychology and look bisola in the eye and listen to her narratives, ask her the tough questions then maybe, just maybe you would begin to see things differently wich i doubt u would. If the man is guilty wich i pray for the sake of many women out the let the wrath of the descend on him but what then happens if he was falsely accused?

sweetrace:
Then I am very sorry, I should have read it. I thought it was the laudate trying to force his biased opinion on me. I'll read it as soon as I can.

sweetrace:
Your venom is something to behold! I am female too, so you can pray for me to get raped as well. In your praying, please remember that who ever curses me is cursed and whoever blesses me is blessed. As for providing evidence, you’ve got wrong. Busola is the one to provide evidence that she was raped. The pastor is to provide evidence to counter that.

DOMINO001:
No you are wrong, very very wrong. Things like this are reported to the police, media or any authority so that action can be taken immediately. She had the time to go and be arranging area boys meanwhile the evidence was still inside her pussy. Going by your reasoning, girl can just wake up and say I raped her (meanwhile I never fuc.k b4 o) and people will believe her.

cococandy:
You use knife and locked doors to toast people? Is that how it works in your neck of the woods?

DaddyNimo:
if the dakolo story is real them Timi is a fool. it means he married a wife he knew nothing about....cos he once boosted he married his wife a virgin....hes the biggest fool in all this.

Chuks9000:
Meaning?
You stand with your husband, 100% correct action.
You stand for the truth, ok?
Your husband is innocent of the allegation? She no get data watch the video?
Let's even say the other two girls were not with the senator and that he was in a gworo/fura da nono shop. Is the multiple slaps rendered by the senator on a defenceless girl an allegation? After seeing it on video? That is the problem of this country.
Keep mute on issues that enslave us and talk trash on matters as clear as daylight.

kellyboo:
It's a sample test at the said company Mr I too know.. The solar panel that was not captured did not stop the fridge from working or attracting sales either.
If you must criticize let your criticism come constructively..

sweetrace:
Blah blah blah! I stopped when you mentioned abuse... Let your so-called victim produce evidence she can’t. Instead she puts out a sob video, the contents of which ca not convince a right thinking human being. Busola needs to know the difference betfween the truth and her vicious lies. Okay, social media judge and jury who requires no evidence for conviction, I’m off to bed. I hope false witnesses will rise against you one day. Then, you’d pray for someone like me who reasons deductively instead of blindly following public opinions.

glowingflame7:
You seem to be the one recycling crap self anointed psychologist. People act different but Busola MUST act like you feel despite her self confessed statement suggests otherwise. I clearer did not refer to just the very act but afterwards, but you keep your head tightly wrapped in the act. She cannot claim to be paralysed by fear for years without telling anyone and not be complicit. You need a dictionary or you need the interpretation of complicit in your local language. You're the only one with access to psychologist. I don't need such a psychologist to tell me rubbish. The Busola by the way was not paralysed to slap an old man for looking at her when she was supergirl 10years old. She was not paralysed when her pastor pushed her,she said she tried to shout but he covered her mouth. But i guess she developed this paralysis when he went out, gave her krest, and she cleaned up the virgin blood and semen on the floor or chair, and she went to sleep on his master bedroom the same week. Agreed for him to drive her home and still continues to be in his church. I need the name of this strange paralysis instead of your running around psychologists.

sweetrace:
Blah blah blah! I stopped when you mentioned abuse... Let your so-called victim produce evidence she can’t. Instead she puts out a sob video, the contents of which ca not convince a right thinking human being. Busola needs to know the difference between the truth and her vicious lies. Okay, social media judge and jury who requires no evidence for conviction, I’m off to bed. I hope false witnesses will rise against you one day. Then, you’d pray for someone like me who reasons deductively instead of blindly following public opinions.

flames01:
The evidences against him are damning.

Do you know that busola's brother went in anger to Fatoyinbo's house in ilorin to deal with the latter for raping his sister? Yes, Biodun Fatoyinbo is a rapist

Abraham353:
Finally someone with a working brain using it cognitively.
Thank you!

I stand with Pastor Biodun Fatoyinbo

glowingflame7:
She was not a young kid or child that you are projecting. She was a self confessed bold 17/18year old school fellowship leader who can sing solos to large congregations.
I perceive you somehow think complicit means consenting. No, complicit is helping to commit a crime or do wrong in some way. She covered him up. Cleared the scene of the alleged disvirginity. She can hear him knock the door but suggests that its a big house and nobody will hear her shout if she tried. And she was transfixed till she drank krest, and also on his car bonnet. I guess you've never met an SU girl of 1999 period that she portrayed herself to be. SU girl will accuse you and rebuke you without motive self, just touch one mistakenly and see. This is someone that allegedly slapped an old man for looking at her when she was 10years old oh, not the baby you are projecting. She simply protected herself as totally faultless, which is not entirely true.

sweetrace:
Say no to false accusations!!! Because she did not hide her identity means she’s telling the truth? Keep quoting psychology that does not apply to Busola. She was paralyzed the first time, and second time and third time... we are waiting for part four of her tales by moonlight. If she was involved in an affair with him, she should be courageous enough to say so instead of this hogwash! One day, she’ll meet her Waterloo.
#say no to false accusations!
# say no to mindless destruction of people’s lives!
#say no to double standards! Busola does not need to procure any evidence, but the rest of us need to abi? Arrant crap!

Why many rape victims don’t fight or yell

By James W. Hopper June 23, 2015

James W. Hopper, PhD, is an independent consultant and part-time instructor in psychology in the Department of Psychiatry of Harvard Medical School. He has conducted research on the neurobiology of trauma, and trains investigators, prosecutors, judges, and higher-education professionals on its implications. Here, he offers his explanation of why people don’t always respond to an attack the way others might expect:

In the midst of sexual assault, the brain’s fear circuitry dominates. The prefrontal cortex can be severely impaired, and all that’s left may be reflexes and habits.

In the Washington Post’s recent series on college sexual assault, many victims describe how they reacted – and did not react – while being assaulted.

Another article also published this month, in the Harvard Review of Psychiatry, shows that some responses have been programmed into human brains by evolution.

Bringing together the accounts of those who have been assaulted with the neurobiology of trauma can play an essential role in supporting healing and the pursuits of accountability and justice.

For example, freezing is a brain-based response to detecting danger, especially a predator’s attack. Think deer in the headlights.

As one woman told the Post, “I didn’t say no, but I didn’t really know what to do. I just kind of froze.”

Freezing occurs when the amygdala – a crucial structure in the brain’s fear circuitry – detects an attack and signals the brainstem to inhibit movement. It happens in a flash, automatically and beyond conscious control.

Simultaneously with the freeze response, the fear circuitry unleashes a surge of “stress chemicals” into the prefrontal cortex, the brain region that allows us to think rationally – to recall the bedroom door is open, or that people are in the dorm room next door, for example, and to make use of that information.

But the surge of chemicals rapidly impairs the prefrontal cortex. That’s because, despite our dominant role on the planet now, we evolved as prey, and when a lion or tiger is upon us, stopping to think is fatal.

Indeed, no one understands better than the military that intense fear impairs our prefrontal cortex and capacity for reason.

When bullets are flying and blood is flowing, you had better have some really effective habit learning to rely upon.

That’s why combat training is rigorous and repetitive – to burn in habits of effectively firing weapons, executing combat formations, etc.

Most victims will freeze, if only briefly. Some will fight back, effectively. Some will resist in habitual, passive ways. Some will suddenly give in and cry. Others will become paralyzed, become faint, pass out or dissociate.

Few who have experienced these responses realize that they are brain reactions to attack and terror.

They blame themselves for “failing” to resist. They feel ashamed. (Men especially may see themselves as cowards and feel like they’re not real men.) They may tell no one, even during an investigation. Sadly, many investigators and prosecutors still don’t know some or all of these brain-based responses.

None of these responses – in women or men – entails consent or cowardice.

None is evidence of resistance too insufficient to warrant our respect and compassion.

They are responses we should expect from brains dominated by the circuitry of fear (just as we should expect fragmented and incomplete memories).

May the day come when everyone who knows someone who has been sexually assaulted – which is all of us, whether we know that yet or not – understands these basic ways that our brains can react to such attacks and uses this knowledge to foster healing and justice.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2015/06/23/why-many-rape-victims-dont-fight-or-yell/?utm_term

sweetrace:
Oh my goodness!!! You sound like a self righteous prig. Please show the evidence Busola provided with her accusation of multiple rape stories that you’re here spitting fire on her behalf!!! No evidence, but your groups went to a place of worship to yell insults at people: shouting shameless! Rapist! I watched the video. People who did not care that kids could hear them. No evidence, yet castigating the pastor. Only based on Busola’s word. Did you verify that she was actually raped? Did you see any evidence of the rape? Has it been proven in a competent court of law that the pastor raped her or is popular opinion enough for you? What kind of vicious person is Busola that she did not think of the effect of her actions on his wife, children and even the body of Christ before she took her case to social media instead of the appropriate quarters? Please believe what you will, but know that some of us don’t just depend on inductive reasoning. As for your thunder, it is as harmless as a firefly.

Why many rape victims don’t fight or yell

By James W. Hopper June 23, 2015

James W. Hopper, PhD, is an independent consultant and part-time instructor in psychology in the Department of Psychiatry of Harvard Medical School. He has conducted research on the neurobiology of trauma, and trains investigators, prosecutors, judges, and higher-education professionals on its implications. Here, he offers his explanation of why people don’t always respond to an attack the way others might expect:

In the midst of sexual assault, the brain’s fear circuitry dominates. The prefrontal cortex can be severely impaired, and all that’s left may be reflexes and habits.

In the Washington Post’s recent series on college sexual assault, many victims describe how they reacted – and did not react – while being assaulted.

Another article also published this month, in the Harvard Review of Psychiatry, shows that some responses have been programmed into human brains by evolution.

Bringing together the accounts of those who have been assaulted with the neurobiology of trauma can play an essential role in supporting healing and the pursuits of accountability and justice.

For example, freezing is a brain-based response to detecting danger, especially a predator’s attack. Think deer in the headlights.

As one woman told the Post, “I didn’t say no, but I didn’t really know what to do. I just kind of froze.”

Freezing occurs when the amygdala – a crucial structure in the brain’s fear circuitry – detects an attack and signals the brainstem to inhibit movement. It happens in a flash, automatically and beyond conscious control.

Simultaneously with the freeze response, the fear circuitry unleashes a surge of “stress chemicals” into the prefrontal cortex, the brain region that allows us to think rationally – to recall the bedroom door is open, or that people are in the dorm room next door, for example, and to make use of that information.

But the surge of chemicals rapidly impairs the prefrontal cortex. That’s because, despite our dominant role on the planet now, we evolved as prey, and when a lion or tiger is upon us, stopping to think is fatal.

Indeed, no one understands better than the military that intense fear impairs our prefrontal cortex and capacity for reason.

When bullets are flying and blood is flowing, you had better have some really effective habit learning to rely upon.

That’s why combat training is rigorous and repetitive – to burn in habits of effectively firing weapons, executing combat formations, etc.

Most victims will freeze, if only briefly. Some will fight back, effectively. Some will resist in habitual, passive ways. Some will suddenly give in and cry. Others will become paralyzed, become faint, pass out or dissociate.

Few who have experienced these responses realize that they are brain reactions to attack and terror.

They blame themselves for “failing” to resist. They feel ashamed. (Men especially may see themselves as cowards and feel like they’re not real men.) They may tell no one, even during an investigation. Sadly, many investigators and prosecutors still don’t know some or all of these brain-based responses.

None of these responses – in women or men – entails consent or cowardice.

None is evidence of resistance too insufficient to warrant our respect and compassion.

They are responses we should expect from brains dominated by the circuitry of fear (just as we should expect fragmented and incomplete memories).

May the day come when everyone who knows someone who has been sexually assaulted – which is all of us, whether we know that yet or not – understands these basic ways that our brains can react to such attacks and uses this knowledge to foster healing and justice.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2015/06/23/why-many-rape-victims-dont-fight-or-yell/?utm_term=.88d44a8a3377

omerukokwuru:
i understand why fatonyinbo can't react, busola's first child's DNA is a testament to the fact that the child is fatonyinbo's so he can't deny having had intercourse with her, and that's why he is playing cool, i know thos man could send a hit squad on the child that child must have security at all times to forestall any unexpected

sweetrace:
I read it right here on Nairaland and Instagram. God gave you a brain, kindly use it. She was paralyzed with fear multiple times, right? Now we have so many pseudo psychiatrists trying to justify Busolas story. Who ever started the car story must have borrowed a leaf from Busola if the story is not true.

sweetrace:
Just stop! I’m a woman who grew up in Nigeria! Of course I know about rape. Do you know how many times men have tried to sleep with me against my own will? Even before I became a teenager! Of course I pushed them off! And I told my mum! Busola’s story does not hold water. How can it be rape when there was no resistance! When the supposed victim kept on going to her alleged rapist? When she remained under his authority as her pastor? If he was her father who was responsible for her, then I’d say she had no where else to go to. But there are thousands of churches in Nigeria she could have gone to, but she remained under the tutelage of her alleged rapist! Haba!!!! I’ve read that she married in the same church and was given a car as a wedding present and she collected it! She was 17 and not 7 when the alleged rape took place and she kept going back for more. My take on this is that Busola is still in love with the pastor and has no room in her heart for Timi. Hence her moodiness and all the crap behavior he described. She compares them all the time and Timi falls short in her eyes. I laugh because an affair is not rape.

BlackPantherCri:
I would have believed you but your facts are distorted. The Dakolos wedded in House On The Rock. The moment I saw this false news it invalidated your entire argument. Sorry ,COZA apologist. Ask your pastor to ask God for forgiveness. His sins caught up with him

Ready2speak:
And u believe this to be what will lead to unity? Hahahahaha una de make us laugh.
My dear that guy Sowore is working for Tinubu & d current amala progressives in Yoruba land. U can take that to d bank. Kanu must be very very careful. ;DD


He does not need to storm a barrack. They have destroyed their reputation. All over d world & their partisanship has earned them the worst opprobrium as an ethnic army not fit to be called a national army. So running after unarmed group while been made mince meat by insurgent group without a strong fighting for a big minus for them. An army d personnel are compiling of cave age equipments, 3rd century gear & obsolete hardware is a shame to defend. Those defending them look stupid. Chew on that.

SageMK:
So what if she collected a car gift or got wedded by the same man? — How does that proof Biodun innocence?

In fact, that can be easily be interpreted as a bribe to buy her silence. I should be the one arguing you to use your brain because her getting pregnant outside wedlock is also no defense to proof the innocence of Biodun at all.

rockcitie:
Bros, you need to get your facts right & stop believing every trash & lies you see all over Instagram or Twitter. If you took time to watch the interview, you'll not be ranting here.

1[b]. First & foremost, in the interview she granted, she made it clear that she was no longer comfortable attending the COZA church after the rape incident & she completely withdrew from all their church activities including the choir. [/b]

2. She also clearly stated in the interview that she left COZA shortly after the rape incident & started attending WINNERS CHAPEL. Go & watch the interview so that you can stop distorting the facts.

3. Busola Dakolo NEVER worshipped again in COZA after she left the church in the early 2000's till date.

4. Those who know the Dakolo's have confirmed that both Busola & Timi Dakolo were worshipping in the same church (NOT COZA) in 2010 at the time when she was a chorister while he was the Choir Master.

5. They got wedded on 31st March 2012 in the church they were both attending. (Google is your friend).

6. The Dakolos certainly DID NOT wed at COZA.

partnerbizz5:
Bringing in -- if my sister was raped blah blah blah... is lame.
Address the issue and avoid ad hominem.
Which rape victim would associate with his assailant for years. Someone raped you and you still went to his house to attend to the wife?

You still joined him in his car?

He got you out, did it at the car trunk then took you to the bonnet to gain more access? Yes "gain more access" Those were her exact words.

My 12 year old niece wouldn't be that stupid.

Your rant about in many countries is hollow.
For in many countries too watching porn alone attracts death sentence. Example is South Korea.

WHAT I analysed above is exactly what transpired. You can take that to the bank.

kingzizzy:
Oh I see. You are a typical Nigerian who reasons as if the world is made of pancakes. You dont care that your Nigerian Army is breaking the law and committing mass murder. What you care about is that the murder was not accurately reported to reflect that Kanu was not killed.

You want a better Nigeria but dont care that government is acting illegally and recklessly

I laugh in Japanese

oluwalonprovide:
Now this is my take on this RAPE issue…
Please am not in support of rape but I just want us to understand something here....
Picture 2 is a young girl that was raped and the evidence is there, very clear, none of you hypocritical assess came to protest, infact it didn't trend at all, nobody consoled her, no money was raised for her, because she's not a celebrity and probably not a rich man's daughter, but a grown up woman who happens to be a celebrity told us that she was raped 20 years ago and in less than 24hrs there is a protest against the church, a Nigerian lawyer is filing for the church to be shut down, you people seriously need deliverance.
Busola said that this pastor came and raped her, she didn't scream, even her own sis wjo is upstairs never noticed anything, so who cleaned the blood? It happened in Warri and yet you still went to Abuja and be attending that same church , later you claim to be traumatized , haba !!anty easy abeg!! Second video you claimed that you later told your mum, told this one, that one, blah blah blah, so after all this shit, why did you raise this issue now?Busola and her hubby use una dey make money indirectly, go and check how many viewers the video has now and they also edited it, some ladies also came out of their holes to claim they were also raped, After 20years, why did you raise this issue now that your hubby and pastor Fatoyinbo is having problem? Have you forgotten that he contributed 90% towards your marriage to Timi? He did the connection, there is something you are not telling us here, he raped you first time, 2nd time and 3rd time, without your consent??all this new era church that dress as they like and all sorts of immortality, what do you expect? Recently Busola was accused of eating church money abi choir money and also sleeping around, you didn't tackle that one, na rape of 20yrs ago you want to use and gain sympathy right?you still open your mouth said your hubby encouraged you to speak up bah? Now that he's not in good terms with pastor Fatoyinbo,..HYPOCRITES
May God forgive you all
I SAY NO TO RAPE BUT
AM NOT STANDING WITH BUSOLA
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kingzizzy:
So what you are bothered about is that Kanu was erroneously reported as having been killed?

You are not bothered that your Nigerian Army trampled on democracy and the rule of law by illegally invading a man's house and killing those present?

Clap for your self

glowingflame7:
Told her mum, her dad, her sister, her brother, her friend, the police, her church, somebody, anybody, the psychologist, whoever. She's so paralysed she can't resist first time, second time, many times, every time. Then too paralysed to tell anyone. Indeed. This must be a special disease known only to educating psychologists. She's definitely complicit IF she was raped.

splendour7:
are You Not A Numbskull?? just asking though.