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Kanwulia: We don't pray in this house o!
We just WORK HARD and mind our businesses!
If your GOD can't do his/her job. . . . That is his or her business!
Not my headache!

Abi OMNIPOTENT/OMNIPRESENT/OMNISCIENT titles na for fancy ni?

But why?
Why do u dislike God so?

queenlabisi: wife

Why is that pls?

Hw much?

Normality: Guy go sidon, no be big asambodo be where it ends. Neither belonging to okpo aha gburu nwa nkita.(Big for nothing associations).
No wonder advanced countries believe in practical and what u can achieve.
All those COREN and IEEEEEE u dey call, what significant breakthrough have they made in Nigeria? Keep deceiving urself, u think na Uni it all ends. Give HND and degree holders equal chance and u'll see difference, forget IEEE and NSE.
Where is NSE and all it's big certificate people and Nigeria has never made any significant breakthrough and all other developing nations are zooming off and we are slower than turtle sef.
Incorporate everybody, even the COEs and see if things won't chnage.

Big name and naija be like bush where other truly developing countries dey. Make I hear NSE again, I go show u where dem dey dey share moni and that's all they know.

Broda,well said!

Phema: Na by force to ask?

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Phema: The maid.

See kweshion

Na by force to answer?

egopersonified: Op, I hope this is not an issue with u, hope u are not waiting 4 yr wife to do night vigil while u snore away, if so berra change oh before things fall apart.

Its an argument btw a friend and I, its in order to gather points to show him dat both d wife and husband must pray without ceasing.

seuner: It is pitiful that this matter over superiority of certificate is still being discussed...Poly vs Uni...some of you have tried to score points, by constructively criticising the polytechnic. Kudos to u,..you said d polytechnic does not have a professor (right), d polytechnic does not teach well (Yes), d polytechnic admission is always an option after university admission has failed (many of us were victim); some even quoted d polytechnic as being an academic institution that accept 'cheap' JAMB scores (i was admitted into d polytechnic with 163) , you said polytechnic graduates speaks a pidgin-like english or gramatical blundered english (yes, our GNS lectures are less, compare to our reputable queenish english speaking university graduate)....some even called us technical illiterates (i concur to this, though my technicality has lured me to greatness....this same technicality made me to train 2 '400 level' student of civil engineering from OAU and LAUTECH b4 my youth service)......Can i ask our university graduate these questions ; Did Dangote learn biz @ d university? Who knows Otedola qualification? Does bill gate need to be taught by a professor b4 he started MICROSOFT? what about steve jobs? Oga Oluwaseun Osewa dropped out (not for academic purpose) of the ever noisy 'great Ife' & open nairaland, even your professors and vc's logged in often on his platform. oga seun, u ve not told them abi? uhn, there is God ooo, was madam patience not a graduate of UNIPORT? what about oga @ d top?na wa o... Uni grad. are really getting the most likes on YOUTUBE for gramatical blunders

so, my ogas at the university, whats d rumbling about? Just find your purpose, carry it out and put an uncontrollable smile in the face of many.....and not bragging when u can only offer nothing

I doff my hat boss!

profjendor: . Bros chill, do u knw under the federal civil service, b.sc, B.pharm, Mbbs...are on level 8, 10 and 12 respectively with different salary scales, dis makes it possible for the mbbs and B.pharm to rise fast up the ladder to bin a director.......this is to show u that everything dat is arranged is done based on the perceived value and usefulness of the certificate under their codes. All dis 3 diff degrees are all university first degrees, why didn't the B.sc nd even the B.pharm be pained and go to court to correct this percieved anomaly ? This can only cause chaos and at the tail end of it nothing is gonna be resolved.

HND in civil service is level 8 step 1, Bsc is level 8 step 2. Bpharm and MBBS are both professional courses dats y they have higher grade level. other professionals like Chartered accountants(irrespective of HND or Bsc) are on level 10,lawyers level 9,engineers,level 9( irrespective of Bsc or HND).

omega2128: On the Parity of Esteem Between
Polytechnics and Universities
By Farooq A. Kperogi
If you are a university graduate who has been
socialized to disdain polytechnics as inferior
higher education institutions, think about this:
Albert Einstein, the world’s most renowned
physicist and one of the most influential thinkers
of all time, graduated from the Zurich Polytechnic (now called the Swiss Federal Institute of
Technology Zurich) in 1900 with a diploma in
mathematics and physics. Unlike in Nigeria, his diploma wasn’t a handicap
to his pursuit of advanced degrees. He studied
for and earned his Ph.D. in experimental physics
from the University of Zurich, five years after his
diploma. If a polytechnic produced one of the world’s
greatest thinkers, why are polytechnics so low
on the totem pole of post-secondary education in
Nigeria? Why do we reserve ice-cold derision for
polytechnic qualifications? Well, the answer lies in the different philosophies
that informed the establishment of polytechnics
in different countries. In the United States, as I
pointed out last week, “polytechnic universities”
and “institutes of technology” are, and have
always been, similar in rank and structure to conventional universities. So they don’t have the
reputational baggage that our polytechnics have. But the UK tradition of polytechnic education,
which we inherited in Nigeria, intended for
polytechnics to be no more than intermediate
technical and vocational schools to train
technologists and lowbrow, middle-level
manpower. So their mandate limited them to offer sub-degree courses in engineering and
applied sciences. In time, however, they ventured into the
humanities and the social sciences and then
sought to be equated with universities. This
request was grudgingly granted only after the
British government set up the Council for
National Academic Awards (CNAA)—composed wholly of people from the universities—to
examine and validate the quality of polytechnic
qualifications. However, in spite of this elaborate institutional
quality control (which had no equivalent for
universities) the higher national diploma (HND)
was treated as only the equivalent of a
bachelor’s degree “without honors.” In university administration lingo, only a “pass”
degree—the lowest possible rank in British
degree classification— is considered a degree
“without honors.” This means that first-class,
upper-second-class, lower-second-class and
third-class degrees have “honors” and that the HND is only equivalent to a “pass” degree. That’s why, traditionally, British universities did
not— and still do not— admit HND graduates to
master’s degree programs (even if they had a
distinction in their diploma) without first
requiring them to undergo a one-year remedial
postgraduate diploma program— just like people with “pass” degrees must undergo a remedial
program before being admitted to master’s
degree programs. This invidious discrimination against polytechnic
graduates and manifestly preferential treatment
of university graduates, often called the “Binary
Divide” in UK higher education parlance,
predictably gave rise to pervasive feelings of
deep and bitter anger and ill-will in the system. So in 1992, under the Further and Higher
Education Act, the “binary divide” was abolished
and all the 35 polytechnics in the UK were
elevated to universities and given powers to
award bachelor’s, master’s, and Ph.D. degrees.
There are no more polytechnics in the UK. Most other countries with British-style binary
divides also eliminated the distinction between
polytechnics and universities to varying degrees.
In Australia, polytechnics were elevated to
“universities of technology” in the 1990s. Hong
Kong, a former British colony like Nigeria, upgraded its two polytechnics—The Hong Kong
Polytechnic and the City Polytechnic of Hong
Kong — to universities in 1994 and 1995
respectively. New Zealand also merged all its polytechnics
with existing universities and allowed only one
— Auckland University of Technology (formerly
the Auckland Institute of Technology)—to
transmute to a full-fledged university in the
1990s. Greece abolished its polytechnics and upgraded them to universities in 2001. In South
Africa, from 2004, polytechnics were either
merged with universities or upgraded to
“universities of technologies” although with
limited rights and privileges. In Germany, polytechnics can now, in addition to
diplomas, award bachelor’s and master’s degrees
in technical and vocational subjects (and in some
humanities and social science courses such as
communication studies, business and
management, etc) but cannot award PhDs. In Sierra Leone, where polytechnic education
began only in 2001, the country’s three
polytechnics award bachelor’s degrees in a
limited number of courses, in addition to
awarding diplomas and certificates. Even Kenya
has started upgrading its polytechnics to universities from this year. What the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Germany,
Hong Kong, Greece, etc achieved in the 1990s
and 2000s — that is, the abolition of the often
unfair parity esteem between polytechnic and
university qualifications—had been achieved in
Albert Einstein’s polytechnic in 1909, five years after he got his diploma there. It was, like most
other polytechnics in Switzerland, elevated to a
full-fledged university, although it is still fondly
called “Poly” by its students, staff, and alumni. Now, only a shrinking pool of countries retains
the binary divide between polytechnics and
universities, viz. Nigeria, Singapore, India,
Pakistan, Ghana, and Malaysia. We have no
business being in this lonely company. So this is my recommendation: The HND should
be abolished. However, the OND should be
retained to supply the nation’s middle-level
manpower needs and to serve as a foundational
qualification for entry into bachelor’s degree
programs. Smaller polytechnics should be merged with contiguous universities and be given the
power to award OND and bachelor’s degrees.
Big, resource-rich polytechnics like Yaba Tech
and Kaduna Polytechnic should be intellectually
upgraded and then converted to full-fledged
universities. Having taught mass communication on a part-
time basis at the Kaduna Polytechnic 10 years
ago, I frankly think that the distinction between
polytechnic and university curricula, at least in
the humanities and the social sciences, is like the
distinction between six and half a dozen. In other words, it’s a distinction without a
difference. It’s time to bridge our own binary divide.

Very informative.

olaezebala: Me no get time to argue. Try enter ib, make only u waka go sango come ask even agbero is poly ib student and ui student be same.

Make I stop joke.
I have both HND-Ede and B.Sc-UI (computer science) for real, the two aint same and can never be the same.
I am tired of reading "we do more practicals" as the main defence by mates from the poly. That's what we were set out for but did we do those practicals for real? Was in HND2 wen I started my degree in Ui (200L) and I must say, "igimu jina sori". In UI, I defended @ least a mini project every semester not to talk of writing practical exams(Come in with ur system and u'll be given apps to develop) where as in my poly, I defended project twice (one for ND and the other for HND).
Pls, my poly brothers and sisters, stop living in the self delusional praise of "we do more practicals", things are changing very fast" chemistry students are in the lab over night in UNIs doing practicals steady, my biochem roommate then slept in lab more than his room, my physics pals hardly remember the way to their halls, csc majors code like no man's business, maths and stat major ready for anything, tech and engineering guys are not smiling either, my social science dudes are ever ready to take u up on any topic.

All I did in ND, HND was covered in 2 years(200 and 300 level). For goodness sake I wasn't taught by DRs or Prof in poly, my lecturers were all MR (HND/BSc/Msc). These set of lecturers (without phd) wrote the textbooks we used and if u write anything outside those texts, "ur own don done". U can't compare that with a uni where lecturers write like 3 diff textbooks for a course and still advice u to read more.

I brought our way of reading to uni and my first year wasn't funny. I kept on having ""s and "E"s in courses just as my mode of entry (DE). Tot I was that poor until my peeps in OAU shared similar experience.

HND and B.Sc will from yesterday, today and years to come be equivalent but never will they be equal.

U b sabi man jare!
na make dem make am equivalent b d real deal o. not even twins are d same really

donstein: never can it be said clearer! I went through the polytechnic and remember a course we did in our 300levels "engineer in society" it clearly spell out the role of a technologist n and engineer, as an engineer ie a uni-grad. Its role is to carry out research and d polylite is to put life into the researched work of d uni-grad simply put, so please whats the tussel all about? see it that those engaging is such shouting need to go back to school for proper learning! Gbam!!!

Point of correction a uni grad is not yet an engineer,he or she is just a graduate member of COREN or NSE as d case maybe until d person fulfills all d requirements,it is then d person can append the title ENGINEER before his/her name. Then an HND holder too can become an engineer too by 1st completing PGD in engineering as d case maybe and then become a graduate member and then he/she follows d same step as d unigrad. Wat differentiates them is d PGD program dat HND holders hv to complete 1st. In short both can become engineers eventualy. Graduating with BSC does not make u an engineer automatically.

Acidosis: 2years OND
1year I.T
3years HND

Hw come 3yrs HND?
The last time I checked it is 2yrs o

bharyur2103: I have heard polytechnic students posit they have more practical knowledge than their university counterparts, but does that make them any better? From the little I have learnt,the higher you move in the organisational hierarchy,the less important technical skills become and the more conceptual and decision-making skills are demanded which simply means your supposed "practical knowledge" is far from being the most important factor to recruiters.I think the best way to elevate polytechnics to the level of universities is to scrap all polytechnics and make all of them universities.This will ensure we have similarities in inputs which should subsequently make their outputs similar as well.If we are to talk of people studying social science and management courses,I don't think there should be any difference between those in universities and polytechnics.It all depends on the level of seriousness although I think we have more of those serious students in the universities.For people in engineering,I'm sorry but I don't think you guys go through similar systems.I don't know of other universities,but I have heard engineering students who happened to have been to polytechnics before their admissions into OAU complain about the huge difference between the two.I lived with one of them when I was in part 1 and he told me, throughout his stay in the Polytechnic of Ede,he never scored anything below 90% in mathematics courses.This same guy was so relieved and happy when he scored 51% in MTH 201 in his very first session on OAU campus.Infact,I know 2 of his friends who,like him,graduated with a distinction from the same polytechnic who are currently barely on a 2:1...If you think all these are blantant lies,pls,obtain a direct entry form and go have a taste too...

Faculty of science (White house) tinz. That faculty no b shere shere o. Its supposed to b called faculty of sadists.

Academic qualifications is not a yardstick to measure success in life. And the issue on ground is not worth arguing over, as for me na to make money wella come dey hire Profs,Phd,Msc, Bsc and HND holders to work 4 me b my motive o. So na to stay sharp and make God bless d sharpness.

deeonlyme: IS IT POSSIBLE FOR AN ENGINEER TO BE WORKING UNDER A TECHNICIAN

So if u hv a BEng u are already an engineer? And if u hv HND in an engineering course u can never b an engineer? Or wat are u trying to say? Pls shed more light

SAPEDRO: Why must they be equal? that would be so unfair, 80% Of those in in polytechnics are those who couldn't make it into the university not their fault though, maybe cos of insufficient mental and intellectual resources. go and check this year's. utme statistics and see how people have changed from universities to polytechnics after checking their results. the university is a much higher place. and this people complaining were not forced to go to the polytechnic in the first place, but like i said earlier, maybe they couldn't make it.

I can see u have d "intellectual resources". SMH. Siddon dia make pant dey wear u o!

As we all knw dat prayer is the channel thru which we communicate with God. In the family setting,who should pray more? The husband or the wife?