 Culture › Re: Can An Average Opobo Indigene Speak And Understand Ijaw? by letu(m): 9:36pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
Radoillo:
I don't know about their history and origin, nor how distinct their speech is from Ngwa and Ndoki. What I do know is that a distinct Asa identity apparently exists. There may be historical explanations for the Asa place-names in Ngwa, Etche and Ndoki which you pointed out. Just as there could be a historical explanation for an 'Ikwerre' place-name in Etche. Maybe migration. Maybe isolation and Ngwanization/Ndokinization of Asa groups by Ngwa/Ndoki groups pushing into what was originally Asa lands. I don't know.
In any case, Asa identity (outside the Asa place-names within the neighbouring groups) is real, and they do have a homeland, south and west of Ngwaland as can be seen in the map below (from "A Study of the Slave and Palm Produce Trade amongst the Ngwa-Igbo of Southeastern Nigeria" by J.N. Oriji).
Perhaps you could find useful information about this Asa subethnicity on this Asa website: http://www.adu-usa.org/ you see way i'v been asking this qustion about the very distinct Asa group, the map you posted lets place it in present day map inwhich what the map you posted will be saying is that for you to travel from Etche to Ikwerre one have to pass through a distinct group know as Asa now if you are familiar with Rivers state if you are, then show/tell me where the are in Rivers state becuse that's where the will be found when the map is compare with a modern day map andalso south of Ngwa land is Ndoki while west is Etche that's modern day Ngwa land and other groups close to Ngwa. |
| Culture › Re: Can An Average Opobo Indigene Speak And Understand Ijaw? by letu(m): 9:35pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
Radoillo:
I don't know about their history and origin, nor how distinct their speech is from Ngwa and Ndoki. What I do know is that a distinct Asa identity apparently exists. There may be historical explanations for the Asa place-names in Ngwa, Etche and Ndoki which you pointed out. Just as there could be a historical explanation for an 'Ikwerre' place-name in Etche. Maybe migration. Maybe isolation and Ngwanization/Ndokinization of Asa groups by Ngwa/Ndoki groups pushing into what was originally Asa lands. I don't know.
In any case, Asa identity (outside the Asa place-names within the neighbouring groups) is real, and they do have a homeland, south and west of Ngwaland as can be seen in the map below (from "A Study of the Slave and Palm Produce Trade amongst the Ngwa-Igbo of Southeastern Nigeria" by J.N. Oriji).
Perhaps you could find useful information about this Asa subethnicity on this Asa website: http://www.adu-usa.org/ |
| Culture › Re: Can An Average Opobo Indigene Speak And Understand Ijaw? by letu(m): 8:34pm On Nov 09, 2014*. Modified: 9:40pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
Radoillo:
I don't know about their history and origin, nor how distinct their speech is from Ngwa and Ndoki. What I do know is that a distinct Asa identity apparently exists. There may be historical explanations for the Asa place-names in Ngwa, Etche and Ndoki which you pointed out. Just as there could be a historical explanation for an 'Ikwerre' place-name in Etche. Maybe migration. Maybe isolation and Ngwanization/Ndokinization of Asa groups by Ngwa/Ndoki groups pushing into what was originally Asa lands. I don't know.
In any case, Asa identity (outside the Asa place-names within the neighbouring groups) is real, and they do have a homeland, south and west of Ngwaland as can be seen in the map below (from "A Study of the Slave and Palm Produce Trade amongst the Ngwa-Igbo of Southeastern Nigeria" by J.N. Oriji).
Perhaps you could find useful information about this Asa subethnicity on this Asa website: http://www.adu-usa.org/ Now we are getin somewhere, the map is somhow because etche apear's to be too much north ways,from that map it means that etche now have boundry with Isialangwa area instead of Osisiomangwa area and the Asa in the map will be in rivers state in this morden era/map inwhich some of them now identifia themself as of Ngwa while others as part of Etche because that place the map indicated to be Asa area suppose to have Ngwa and Etche community withing that same area. |
| Culture › Re: Can An Average Opobo Indigene Speak And Understand Ijaw? by letu(m): 5:05pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
Radoillo:
Unless my geography and ethnography of that region is inaccurate, Asa and Ndoki are distinct groups from the Ngwa, and their territories are south of Ngwa, making Ngwa an interior group relative to Asa and Ndoki. That is what I meant.
It appears however that you do not recognise the existence of a distinct Asa sub-ethnicity. You can help me and explain more about this distinct Asa sub-ethnicity, it's not that i dont recognise it, but i like to know about them, their history andalso how diffrent their history and origin is to other Asa group in Ndoki,Osisioma ngwa,Ugwunabow, Etche,forget about the lingustics bla bla bla! in Ngwa we also have many ways to speak the Ngwa, in north easthern part of Ishialangwa the will say ibelaka for backyard,Obi ngwa will say azu ulo, the same part of Ishialangwa i'm talking about will say 1-bie yeretu maaka-help,2- ga ajara- to relax on a bed,3- ga ge yire uweigi - go and put on your cloth. While in Obi ngwa the same words will go like this 1-bie etiturum aka, 2- giejiaroo ngahu,3- geturu uwegi andalso in thesame Obi ngwa those from Ohanze,Onicha ngwa and Nlaagu they have their owen way of speaking Ngwa but this dose not mean that each of them are now distinct from each other. |
| Culture › Re: Can An Average Opobo Indigene Speak And Understand Ijaw? by letu(m): 1:09pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
ChinenyeN:
I'm not so inclined to call 'bu' a northern Igbo peculiarity, especially when Ekpeye, Etche, Ikwere, Asa, Ngwa and Ndoki communities natively use 'bu' instead of 'wu'. This is the entire southern end of the Igbo-speaking region, and these communities have been pretty good about preserving their speech. It seems highly unlikely that 'bu' is a peculiarity from northern Igbo which they later learned. Nenye your statement is confusing,who are the Asa people and inwhich of the state or state's of south easth can they be found. |
| Culture › Re: Can An Average Opobo Indigene Speak And Understand Ijaw? by letu(m): 12:44pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
aRadoillo:
Hmmm. Interesting. I have read elsewhere where Alagbariye was described as an 'Ibo hunter'. Where exactly in Igboland I wasn't able to find out. I assumed that if there were Igbos present in Bonny in the early stages of its history, they would be Ndoki, rather than Ngwa who are found farther in the interior.
But I really don't know much about the history of the Ngwa-Ndoki-Ibani area.
Again, this is interesting. Thank you. ok you really dont know, what do you mean by interior or our you saying that Ukwa is faraway from Ngwaiyiekwe, Ihie ukwu?, speaking of faraway that will be Isialangwa north&south,Aba north&south and Osisioma ngwa.While the remenig two are vary close with each other includin Ukwa, not for geting Akumimo(Obingwa lga) & Azumini(Ukwa easth lga). |
| Culture › Re: Can An Average Opobo Indigene Speak And Understand Ijaw? by letu(m): 12:24pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
Radoillo:
There are some parts of this comment that are ambiguous. It appears you're saying the Ndoki and the Asa are the same. Or at least speak the same lect. Is that what you're saying? If it is, then that is kinda new to me. Yes that's their language and Ngwa people say somthing like this that ndoki people are Asa and their language andalso there are many community in Ukwa,Ngwa also Obigbo that bears the name Asa/Asa umu eg umunkama, Asa nnetu including Alaoji. |
| Culture › Re: Can An Average Opobo Indigene Speak And Understand Ijaw? by letu(m): 11:31am On Nov 07, 2014 |
Chiwude:
Also, one cannot fully Isolate an Ngwa connection in relation to Okpara Ndoli. Since it was evident that the Ndokis and Ngwas share a common boundary. In addition, the name Ubani as a typical surname among the Ngwas and Ndokis came to prominence precisely during the period when the Ibani's monopolized the oil trade with the Royal Niger Company. Hence, It was evident that the middle men (from the Igbo hinterlands) who supplied oil to King Jaja were of Ndoki and Ngwa stock. So, it was a thing of pride by these people who dwelled along the Imo river to name their children after the great Bonny (Ibani) kingdom. Ngwa people of ogbor sold lands to Opopo people of Jaja's family in pri-colonia era andalso the river(Ogbor river) was use as a mini sea port where goods are transported to Opopo and Bonny inwhich the Opopoians use the land to plant palm tree for their trade in oil and the land tody is know as water side Ogbor hill Aba. |
| Culture › Re: Can An Average Opobo Indigene Speak And Understand Ijaw? by letu(m): 11:02am On Nov 07, 2014 |
Deltagiant:
No, I understood your points quite well in that post especially in the aspect of marriage prohibition. That was why I put across the kind of questions any curious mind would like to get answers to.
The history of Bonny as they relate to the Igbo hinterland is a different issue which I’m very much interested in. Most Ngwa will dispute the assertion that their history in Bonny was as a result of marital relationship. They’re of the opinion that Opara Ndoli or Opara Azumini was an Ngwa leader. This said, the Azumini website of Abia state has an opinion on this; that Opara Ndoli’s real name was Asikunuma and an Ijaw leader.
So, In the first place, how did he acquire the name Opara Ndoli that later became an artificial one?
As we all know, oral tradition is subject to embellishment. And which side are we to believe?
Another thing striking to me is the prevalence of the name ‘Ubani’ amongst the Ngwa in Abia state. This mean's that Opara Ndoli is from Asangwa area which are present day Ugwunabow, Ukwa east & west, Osisioma ngwa. |
| Culture › Re: Can An Average Opobo Indigene Speak And Understand Ijaw? by letu(m): 10:40am On Nov 07, 2014 |
Chiwude:
It appears you misunderstood what I wrote up there. The people in the Igbo hinterland who are closely related to the Igbani (Bonny-Opobo) are the Ndokis, both ancestrally, culturally and linguistically. It is believed that the founders of Bonny originated from Ndoki. Historically, the man who introduce Kingship dynasty in Bonny went by the name Azumini (Asimini). However, there is no Ngwa angle to Bonny. The relationship the Igbani's have with parts of Igboland (Ngwa inclusive) stems from Marital relationship. one thing you should know is that Asa people did not start and end in ndoki it gose beyond and include Ugwunabow (Ngwa), Osisioma Ngwa infact both of them where know as asangwa because the people from those place speak both two languages(Asa and Ngwa) in pre-colonia era but the diffrence today is that Ndoki speak only Asa while Ugwunabow and Osisioma speak Ngwa andalso speak Asa inwhich they are mix up eg some of them can trace their paternal within Ngwa while others is Asa thesame with maternal history. |
| Culture › Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by letu(m): 10:32am On Oct 30, 2014 |
OdenigboAroli:
Nwoke,easy....If Aro your superiors paid homaged to Eze Nri,what becomes of Ngwa....lol
By the way,when are you gonna release a book about egwu mgbede in Ngwa...We talking about cultures that shaped the Igbo society nigga talking about egwu mgbede of the young maidens...Alangwa nyuu ka oku npanaka! Superior base on what trade&commerce or militry, even the name alangwa is base on a concept and also ngwa in the olden day's was made up of many indipendent villeage confedretion/city state which is upto hundred in number also including asangwa group of pri - colonia era, the aro i know are not stupid because they know what the will be up against if they try any military ativity inwhich what i know is the ohafia/bende group that alwas come on their own for head hunting, those captured by ngwa people will killed includin the obegu saga where inocient women and children where killed which gave the british justification to invade Igbo land. |
| Culture › Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by letu(m): 10:00am On Oct 30, 2014 |
OdenigboAroli:
Nwoke,easy....If Aro your superiors paid homaged to Eze Nri,what becomes of Ngwa....lol
By the way,when are you gonna release a book about egwu mgbede in Ngwa...We talking about cultures that shaped the Igbo society nigga talking about egwu mgbede of the young maidens...Alangwa nyuu ka oku npanaka! |
| Culture › Re: Misunderstanding Anambra Igbo Dialect by letu(m): 8:10am On Oct 30, 2014 |
pazienza:
Here is my hypothesis on this matter.
1, The people we today call abam,abriba,ohafia,edda,umuhu ezechi,igberre,aro,etc, once inhabited the area around itu in the present cross river state.
2. These people were igbo speaking,as could be seen from their names.
3. These people were pushed from this their itu abode by the ibibios/efiks/annang, into a more western direction.
4. These people didn't meet the land they occupy today empty,they met other igbo groups there,whom they overpowered and pushed towards the igbo central areas in northern abia and southern anambra(orumba area). There are many community/villega in igbo land that goes by the name Itu eg Ituku,Itukpa and others in Abia& Imo so there might be some relation between the cross river Itu and Igbo Itu. |
| Culture › Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by letu(m): 6:45am On Oct 28, 2014 |
Abagworo:
We both agree that Owerri has nasal effects but that was and is still not the argument. I came in because you assumed that Igbo spoken in Owerri is Oratta dialect and I only made it clear that they are not the same. Around that Owerri axis there are 4 related but distinct dialects.
1 is Uratta which is the original dialect of Owerri township and its immediate environs
2 is Ezinihitte/Mbaise
3 is Etche/Ngor
4 is Ohaji/Ikwerre.
5 Mbieri and Akabo speak Isu with noticeable Uratta influence. Mbano should be in no.5 and that of no.3 Ngor when they speak their dialict it sound some how like orrata with a mixture of ngwa inwhich one might think the person is speaking ngwa untill you notice the orrata part of it. What about Ezinihite i dont notice much diffrence between it and ngwa because the sound alike, the only diffrence i'v notice is the si(ngwa), shi(ezinihite) can you explain more on this. |
| Culture › Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by letu(m): 6:00am On Oct 28, 2014 |
bigfrancis21:
Bro, I know the typical Owerri. Our neighbours were Owerri and it's indeed different from the general Igbo in Owerri township. If you doubt me, all you have to do is listen to core Owerri songs by Owerri musicians such as Chima Obareze. Bigfrancis do you know the people of orrata or the people that speak the language andalso their history. |
| Culture › Re: Igala Language In Anambra State. by letu(m): 5:23am On Oct 25, 2014 |
adusim:
Gbam!! Yet Anambra people always claim to be the origin of Igbos, however, as this thread clearly shows they (Ndi Anambra) are of mixed ancestry comprising Igala, Benin and Igbo. Imo State - as aptly described - is the Heartland of Igbos - 100%! after intermarring with Abia,Ebonyi,Anambra you are still calling Imo 100 % igbo forgeting that uraata did not end in imo, there is also uraata in abia state, the marriage thing between imo state and others has been going on many many years ago, pre -colonia, during colonia and after, upto this year they are still intermarring so you see you Imolits are not 100% Igbo (by blood) . |
| Culture › Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by letu(m): 7:27pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
bigfrancis21:
Odenigbo nwa Idemmili! A fu nwa e lota nnia! Kee ka I mee? I live in ph, can someone explean this dialect for me in central igbo my home of origin is ngwa. |
| Culture › Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by letu(m): 7:17pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
bigfrancis21:
Odenigbo nwa Idemmili! A fu nwa e lota nnia! Kee ka I mee? I live in ph, please can some one explean that dialect for me in central igbo, my home of origin is ngwa. |
| Culture › Re: Igala Language In Anambra State. by letu(m): 11:51am On Oct 21, 2014 |
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| Culture › Re: Igala Language In Anambra State. by letu(m): 11:21am On Oct 21, 2014 |
abagoro:
Only Imo State is a complete Igbo State by language. Abia has an Ibibio speaking group known as "Itu mbuzon". Even Imo State's complete Igbo status could be questioned if Ukwuani, Etche, Egbema and Ikwerre are considered as distinct languages. Please, is it itumbuzor that i know to igbo or is it another(itu mbuzon) |
| Culture › Re: The Resentment between Blacks and West Africans over Slavery by letu(m): 7:52am On Oct 18, 2014 |
KidStranglehold:
How when Black Americans were enslaved by Americans? And not the British. By the time of colonization America had already been independent of Britain. So how were AA's free or enslaved apart of the British army?? Unless I'm missing something. The caribbean or west indian british military unit in there battalion participated in the anglo- ashati war and many more war against africa by white just for colonialism eg the destruction of many igbo areas in the eastern part of nigeria , destruction of benin empire and that of french colonial war in africa just make a research on it e t c. |
| Culture › Re: The Resentment between Blacks and West Africans over Slavery by letu(m): 6:19pm On Oct 17, 2014 |
black247:
Haha! I am curious because I have heard this a lot, in one way or another.
1. You people sold us.
2. Recently, you guys never came for us.
And with one American, not bashing them at all but, she said where are you from - with a big smile. I said: Nigeria. Her smile vanished. She responded, I thought you were from Ghana...they are nicer.
Just a little social experiment I guess. I never really let it bother me until last week, I guess I thought the socially aware would find us, we'd find each other.
And yes his twitter can be crazy at times lol. I too hope people respond and are not offended. hi, one thing you don't know is that the same black america where part of the British army that desecrated our Nigeria ancestral land in the name of colonialism. |
| Culture › Re: The Resentment between Blacks and West Africans over Slavery by letu(m): 5:02pm On Oct 17, 2014 |
black247:
What are your thoughts on this?
I saw this on twitter. . (https://mobile.twitter.com/BruhSarcastic) "Blacks hate Africans cause they didn't come rescue them during slavey." And I just had a debate two weeks ago with a Jamaican about his resentment.
I have a related thread to research further if you care to follow it up. Ill give my findings.
Note: He says a lot of truth on his timeline, ignore the "sarcastic" part of his name in otherwords.
Note: American blacks correct me if I am wrong - you guys like Ghanians more, some say, Id like to know why.
Lets rebuild! Is that way the join the oyibos (white), in destroying and desecrating Africa in the name of colonialism e. g the black american soldier of colonial rule in Africa, (Caribbean) |
| Culture › Re: The Social Prejudices Between Oratta(owerri) And Isu Groups Of Igboland. by letu(m): 1:51pm On Oct 08, 2014 |
Ihuomadinihu:
Ok. Is Ezinihite different from Ezi na Ihite of Isuochi who reportedly came from the 'east' through Ishiagu down to Isuochi,Abia State? we all are forgetin somthing, that is not only Isu inwhich there are others like Ihie,Itu. In the mbise part (Ohuhu .aka. Ezilihte) i think their owen Ezilihite can be link to Ihie instaed of Isu, just as there are placese with the name Isu the same with Ihie. |
