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^^^^ empiree thanks!

frank317:
Oga, all those things u quoted from Quran does not in any slightest way prove that who ever wrote the Koran had access to any creator. Scientists figure all that out in their own and even much more than was revealed a in ur holy book remember?
He is Is he should give me information about him, who is he,where does he stay, how to I talk with him, where was hi before he created earth? Let him talk to me and explain himself.

OK.. You expect the Qur'an to say: oo the clitoris widen then the ejaculation takes place after which the uterus expands.... Lol even at that you won't believe.


Oo now you want to talk to him..?
Oo you can't yet, you are still blind..

frank317:
Show me what ? Some shallow writeup by your I'd who has refused to ice us a new edition?

By the way... scientists have gone so much deeper into that little information that is exciting u in ur Quran. What new information on medical field does he have to offer?

is the Qur'an a medical book? Its an all life book, not dedicated to one topic, for more mouth watering discovery from the Qur'an, check some of my past threads from my profile!.

frank317:
What did he do? Better than what exactly...

Is it than junk u posted that is making u value Quran? Don't tell me u are serious.

those are junk? You can as well tell me Isaac newton knew the solution to AIDS

frank317:
Seriously u just insulted my intelligence with this nonsense u posted.
So because the Qur'an just said he created male and female from a drop of ejected sperm u are getting excited u actually know the creator?
Any smart person can figure all these out. Any medical practitioner both local or native can figure all that out.
Have u ever taken Ur time to read a medical explanation of how the sperm actually ferterlizes the egg to form the zygote?

Oga, we know all these process even more detail than those superficial writes u drew from the Qur'an. U don't see us bowing our head to nothing.

Knowing the process is one thing, how did the process start, who or what started it is another. What u posted up there is a huge joke.

the eye is not blind but the heart is... Even if I show you others you will still be blind, I can't help

frank317:
If he will not do it,how then did u know he can do it. How did u know what he can or cannot do?

I didn't as u why he will not do it... English does not seem to be ur strong point right?

what I want to say is," he already did better than that"

If you know the value of the contents in the Quran, you will know what he can do..

frank317:
The Quran explain how developed from a straight semen before scientists could think, so what?
How does knowing how ur stray semen develop explain anything?

Besides can u post what Quran says about a stray semen let me even see what is exciting u or what's there that suddenly makes u think u know the who created the process.

ok Go through the following:

He has created both sexes, male and female from a drop of semen which has been ejected. (Qur'an, 53:45-46)

Was he not a drop of ejaculated sperm, then a blood-clot which He created and shaped, making from it both sexes, male and female? (Qur'an, 75:37-39)

He Who has created all things in the best possible way. He commenced the creation of man from clay; then He made his progeny from an extract of discarded fluid. (Qur'an, 32:7-

We created man from a mingled drop to test him, and We made him hearing and seeing. (Qur'an, 76:2)

Does man reckon he will be left uncontrolled [without purpose]? Was he not once a drop of ejected semen? (Qur'an, 75:36-37)

It is We Who have created you. Why, then, do you not accept the truth? Have you ever considered that [seed] which you emit? Is it you who create it? Or are We the Creator? (Qur'an, 56:57-59)

[We] then formed the drop into a clot and formed the clot into a lump and formed the lump into bones and clothed the bones in flesh; and then brought him into being as another creature. Blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators! (Qur'an, 23:14)

Wait am not done... The 3 dark stages of pregnancy is also present in the Quran: the 3 dark stages:
The darkness of the abdomen
The darkness of the womb
The darkness of the placenta

... He creates you stage by stage in your mothers' wombs in threefold darkness. That is Allah, your Lord. Sovereignty is His. There is no god but Him. So what has made you deviate? (Qur'an, 39:6)

should I continue..?

frank317:
If he won't do it, how did u know u can do it. How did u even know what he can or cannot do? Why are u talking about this ur God like he is ur neighbor.

because he already better than that

hopefulLandlord:
story of Onan in the Old testament (which predates Quran) shows there's already knowledge about the sperm

and the 3 dark stages..?

hopefulLandlord:
what a pity that this person haven't heard of the omnipotent paradox and keeps shooting himself in the foot

he can create a Stone that he can't lit, right that means he can cease to be omnipotent

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence_paradox

you just keep running around in circles, not thinking but typing fast

You,the article written on wiki keeps saying something, you keep assuming what is never actionable...

hopefulLandlord:
and you still haven't seen you've shot yourself in the foot, you're digging the hole deeper and deeper

If the being can create a stone that it cannot lift, then it seems that it can cease to be omnipotent!!!

the catch-22 keeps flying over your head bro

you still rotating on a spot, God can do anything you can ever think of... Meaning he has no limit, but why will he do that..?

Or in other terms he has the ability to do so but won't do so...

You can as well set yourself on fire since you have the ability of doing so.. Its just dnt make any sense..

frank317:
And who said they occured accidentally, when u asked me how I was created what did I reply.

The problem with u is that u were expecting some kind of answers from me and when u didn't get them u still assumed I answered them like that.

Since u are sure that all these things never occurred naturally and where not orchestrated manually by man, can u tell me u are sure it was not orchestrated by some group if faint aliens, or a group of God's, or a big fat and green invisible elephant?

What u don't know, u dont know. Going around worshipping what u think created the universe is pure insanity.

lol.. What I dnt know..? I know perfectly who I am worshipping...

The Quran specifically explained how I was developed and formed from a stray semen far long before scientists could think of it... Then why shouldn't I?

frank317:
Yes all caring mean no bad occurrence. Partial caring might mean some bad occurrence.
So what does all caring mean to u. Lol...u obviously cannot help me. U have given me the most half baked reply since I started conversing on Nairaland. I doubt u even know what u are saying.

like I said, I can't help you..

You can as well say the student who failed the exams is a bad occurence and all student should have A's...

hopefulLandlord:
I already showed that those four omnis are totally incompatible, what you did then was to use a mortal Seun as example and when I showed that was a terrible mistake you gave me a google link telling me those properties of your god (which you agreed to) are for my own benefit

you're in a catch-22 bro

you keep repeating same thing, what I gave you was a clean analogy, you said can God create a stone as heavy that he can't lift it??

And I gave an analogy of can seun delete Nairaland. .

Both are yes..
God can create such but of what importance, I see you came from a Christian background.. Trying to picture God as a powerful superman, you are wrong, because no one has an atom of idea the physical state of God...

frank317:
I wasn't there. If I was there I will tell u not u to tell me. What did me as sperm see?
Even if I think the process was perfectly​ architected so? That's just my thinking, I still don't know how I was formed or where I came from or who formed me or what formed me.


What's ur point? How does the fact that I will mate with a lady in the nearest future prove any God? I never said it was done by me did I? Please refer to my answer when u asked me how my sperm was formed and stop replying me with an answer in ur head.


Ya right, a seed of beans grows, rain falls, sun shines, I am awe at the all, therefore I should now my head five times a day to what ever I think made it possible despite now knowing what it is. What's really Ur point?

my point is those things never occurred accidentally, will you tell me a man orchestrated all those manually?

frank317:
Perhaps u are the one who does not understand what he writes.
U say good and bad thing must happen and they don't happen outside God, yet when asked to define Ur Of you said he was all caring. Are u not contradicting yourself?

so to you, all caring will means no bad occurrence, everything should be cool... No wonder...lol. I can't help you...

hopefulLandlord:
aren't you the one that's being inconsistent

weren't you the one that answered "yes" when I asked if your god idea is omniscient, omnipotent omnipresent and omnibelevolent?

you answered yes and are now accusing me of using words for my benefit

yea,, I answered it..
What am referring to here is, you are opposing two words and picking some contradiction between them...you can tell me their contradictions here

frank317:
U are the one who called Ur God all powerful and all caring. If he exists then he can't be all caring and all those babies u mentioned that die at infant will be dying up and down.
So the best way u can prove that ur God is all caring is by telling him to let go of the fact that babies are dying?
Are u even sure of what u are saying?

tell me you dnt want to understand, read again

hopefulLandlord:
bro, don't weaken your god idea by using a mortal that has limitations as example, you should know better

remember we are talking of how the four omnis are definitely incompatible, you can show me how its compatible

OR are you telling me your god can make a stone he can't lift? isn't that an incompatibility in itself?

aren't you in a catch-22 already

lol, you see the first problem with atheist is that they look for too many words to help them.. Those Omni's you listed there are just words you use for your own benefits..

Here read:

https://www.google.com.ng/search?redir_esc=&client=ms-android-tecno&hl=en-US&safe=images&oe=utf-8&q=99+names+of+allah+list&source=android-browser-suggest&qsubts=1495138786089

frank317:
Yes I have wondered, but didn't get an answer since I wasn't there and nobody seem to be their when their sperm was forming

you were dre.. You were that sperm that popped out while your parents where engaging in each other, you found your way right down to the little egg.... and you know what? You went through 3 stages of darkness as mentioned in the Quran.till you were formed into a body worthy to be called a human.. Don't you still think those process were perfectly architected ??

Now you were not there.. In the nearest year to come, you will also mate with a female, and the same process repeats itself from start to the end right in from of your eyes... You injected those smelly sperm to get a human with full functionality after about 280 days and you think that is done by you?..

Drop bean seed in the floor ...after some hours you see it germinating already, also rain fall takes place and sun also shines without ever exceeding the bearable limits... Do you still think its normal?

hopefulLandlord:
why then did you pretend the latter part of my previous long post only applies to the Christian version

can you read it again?

I'll help you repost

OK the first point is killed...

This second one is just a lone thought of a worried soul... From the long epistle all I you're saying is, let say; can seun delete Nairaland?
Same answer goes to you.. YES HE CAN BUT WHY SHOULD HE? Its just c'mon sense..

hopefulLandlord:
is your god omnipotent? is he omniscient? is he omnipresent?

was Allah involved with the Canaanite children?

Yes to all...

hopefulLandlord:
you see why I was asking those questions? can you see that I didn't ask enough questions?

you can ignore the Bible part then and focus on latter part, I think your god too has claims of omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent? if yes then the shoes of the latter part fits

now that you have answered the question partially. Lemme guide you...

Your first point for not believing God exist is: God was not merciful on the Canaanite infants... If that is the reason you think God doesn't not exist, then you are astray...

Now, good events happens and also bad events happens which none is outside the knowledge of God. Events such as that is nothing special! Or to cry about.
Do you no the amount of unborn babies that die before birth daily??
Do you know the amount of the ones that die after birth daily?
How many die after 5 years daily??
And those who die as adult daily??

The fact is every soul will taste death, irrespective of the type, time, place and age.

Those who die in air crash will all die even if they never board flight!!
Those who died in WW2 will die mysteriously in another way if WW2 didn't occur...

So trying to justify the non existence with sympathy is a no brained because all soul will taste something all over...


Your other points are for Christians..

hopefulLandlord:
the "all provider" is meaningless word game

The "all merciful"? we saw how merciful he was to the Canaanite infants, we saw how merciful he was to the Midianite non virgin girls and midianite male infants

the "All seer"? we all saw how an all seeing god regretted creating humans

the "all hearer" that had to ask Adam and Eve what happened, you know cuz that proves he heard it all when the snake was deceiving Eve

moving away from your storybook

The claim for the Abrahamic god is that she/he/it (say it fast) has multiple ultimate characteristics — omniscience, omnipresence, omnipotence, and omnibenevolence. The most any give entity can possibly have is one of them, since it's always possible to posit a situation in which 2 of them are pitted against each other, and one of them must lose. Indeed, it's possible for at least one of them (omnipotence) to do battle with itself, as indicated by the insoluble riddle "Can God make a rock so heavy he can't lift it?"

Therefore, if there is in reality some kind of supernatural entity, it can't have the nature claimed for the Abrahamic god. It's logically impossible for anything to have more than one ultimate characteristic, and stupendously unlikely that it has even the one. So I for one have no difficulty whatsoever saying that no, the Christian god not only doesn't exist, it can't exist!


not only is version of god inexistent, it CAN'T possibly exist!!!

Lol wait o... First realize am a Muslim, because I see you already delved into the bible...

hopefulLandlord:
the Abrahamic god?

if those are the definition then such a god doesn't exist!

you still on point 0. Proof your last line.

hopefulLandlord:
you said I should prove to you "God" doesn't exist, its only logical for me to ask for your definition of the word "God" so answers can be given otherwise we might be talking through each other

I interacted with someone on another board who defined 'God' as being: 'the spirit of caring'. If he define it like that, then no wonder he's mystified/disappointed when someone says "I don't believe in God"! If he'd simply said "spirit of caring" instead of using 'God' as a shorthand for that, most people would agree with him!

so if you define "God" as "Creator" you're just talking about deism because deists describe "God" the exact same way

OK, I dnt even know what deism is. God is so many things..The Creator is just one of all the., The all provider, The all merciful, the all seer, the all hearer and many more ..now answer my question

live like you will die tomorrow...

The moment you give up, your existence on earth is doomed!

^^^ abdelkabir thanks for the supplications...

hopefulLandlord:
"Creator"? but there are so many claims to that word, if that's your definition then you're a deist

Ooo.. i use the word Creator, then am a deist, what a logic.. lol.. but that question you quoted is unanswered yet.

hopefulLandlord:
you need to define "God"

the simplest: Your Creator.
but that's not the answer to my question...

frank317:
He has never been seen, heard or felt by anyone

Good!
Yea1 he can't be seen and heard by an ex-sperm for sure!
but have you ever wondered how perfectly you were made from, today from a pin-drop of semen?

The Quran code has a mathematical structure within the text of the Quran, mostly using the number 19 as a common denominator.

The huge significance given to the number 19 is as a result of a verse in the Quran (Qur'an, 74:30) which Almighty Allah(SWT) specifcally pointed out number 19 as a test to the unbelievers. the verse states:

(Qur'an, 74:30): Over it are nineteen [angels].

(Qur'an, 74:31): And We have not made the keepers of the Fire except angels. And We have not made their number except as a trial for those who disbelieve - that those who were given the Scripture will be convinced and those who have believed will increase in faith and those who were given the Scripture and the believers will not doubt and that those in whose hearts is hypocrisy and the disbelievers will say, "What does Allah intend by this as an example?" Thus does Allah leave astray whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And none knows the soldiers of your Lord except Him. And mention of the Fire is not but a reminder to humanity.

Some of the very numerous significance of the special number 19 are:

1. The foundation of the code is the Quran's first verse, "In the Name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful" (بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم) known as Bismillah ArRahman ArRahim, which consists of 19 Arabic letters.

2. The Qur'an consists of 114 (19 x 6) Suras.

3. The first Sura to be revealed, Surat al-'Alaq, consists of 19 verses and 285 (19 x 15) letters.

4. The first verses of the Qur'an to be revealed are the first five verses of Sura 96 and the total number of words in these verses is 19.

5. This ecliptic cycle which occurs once every 19 years has been scientifically used to match the solar and lunar years. i.e: The Sun, Moon and Earth line up in the same relative positions once every 19 years

6. Surat an-Nasr, the final Sura to be revealed, consists of a total of 19 words.

7. The total number of verses in the Quran is 6346, which is also a multiple of 19 ie. 19 x 334.

8. The Arabic word "wahdahu," meaning "worship only Allah," appears in the verses 7:70, 39:45, 40:12, 40:84 and 60:4. When these figures are added up without numbers being repeated, the resulting total is 361 (19 x 19).

9. The word "Rahman" (All-Merciful) appears 57 (19 x 3) times in the Qur'an.

10. There are 38 (19 x 2) Suras without initial letters between the first Sura which has initial letters and the last to have them.

11. (Allah) is repeated 2698 ( = 19 x 142) times in the Quran.

12. Halley's Comet passes through the Solar System once every 76 years (19 x 4).

13. The number of bones in the human hand is 19.

14. The 96th Sura, the first revealed, comes 19 before the end. It consists of 19 verses and contains a total of 285 letters (19 x 15). The first five verses of the revelation contain 76 (19 x 4) letters.

And many more...

Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran_code
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_03.html