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TayserMahiri:
What video?

go through this thread... https://www.nairaland.com/3677741/mathematical-miracles-holy-quran-must

Hati13:
No, will never!

yea.. You Dont want to have sleepless night..because if you watch it.. You will have a rethink!

Hati13:
You are right.

They will start to believe point by point as science advanced, until there is no valid Bible point and all of them are assimilated to science once and for all.

... and that will make you sleep well at night..
have you watched my vid? or checked about the mystic of 19

No FP jare..

Planned stunt !

niceair:
Days true... when I joined with my yahoo mail 2009 it was highly educative n informative. now u hear slay queen,NCAN,IPOB,AFONJA etc. one thing is certain n constant which is CHANGE..

yea and the owner is doing nothing about it..

uzoexcel:
I noticed that too..nowadays I'm more on quora.com than nairaland..in quora u get good analysis and quality arguements

perfect i use quora too and some other forum, the owner of NL lacks seriousness and the forum keeps depreciating..

these vile monsters that deserve a bullet to the head.

The nairaland i visit with my former username back in 2012-2014 is different now! then we have very educative and motivational articles on NL FP... but now, reverse seems the case...
NL is now filled with thwarty news... a friend of mine added me to a whatsapp group yesterday where they make something trend and bring it to NL and use it to drive traffic from NL,... they will use different account to react and trend on a crap topic and bring here to NL.. Oga seun abeg quality don dey fade oo

donsheddy1:
Lol this guy dey para o. I don't just know how people think at times. So if you see a python programmer you will pay him 20K monthly?

no mind am... the thing wey pain me pass na sey me, LAWMA and LASTMA go dey earn same amount monthlt, when am not mad..

all this scam pastor

Haba OP you should fear God!

20k as salary!..
That's an insult, a web designer collecting almost same amount with a LAWMA worker chai!

You should have hide the salary na...
hope you meant to type 200k sha...

Hati13:
I joined this forum a couple of weeks ago. It's the first time I'm herring about him from you. You are very funny, how can you expect me to prove on something I've no idea. And again, give me one concrete proof that God exist? I'm answering your questions, but you aren't. Please answer it.

I believe in evolution. Evolution is a nature thing. Don't tell me it isn't. In schools and in universities, people are thought more about science, but not about religion. It's because science is supported by concrete evidences, but religions are nothing but fantasy. The logical things in them are stolen from scholars.

It's still can't explain in details. A sperm can be seen in a naked eye, so it isn't a surprise they know about it. It even say that man is created from clay, how funny it is?

If you believe in the science aspect of the Quran, why aren't not you believing in science?

Again tell me concrete evidence that God exist? If you can't find and tell me, then there is no point to continue on discussing, since nothing productive will come.

earlier you said the sscience we know now isn't known just 500 years ago, and the Qur'an is 1400+ years old.. Can you see that..?

Concrete evidence I have given you two..

Watch the video
And lookup the miracles of the number (19) mentioned in the Qur'an.

Peace!

valboy20:
Stop the stupidity display you cretinous imbe.cile. How could you be so daft as projecting a very dumb analogy. First Seun existence can be proved. Can you prove the existence of your Arabic desert god?

Secondly Seun's built his forum and included his name as the owner, you can easily confirm this by scrolling to the bottom of the forum. Now can you show us the signature of your god in the universe? Can you show us his name as included in any of those things he allegedly created. Don't you see how dumb and moronic you are

You believe an illiterate schizophrenic paedophile who lived in the 7th century is in a better place to tell you how this world came about without any evidence except for his seizure ravings. You're clearly mad and deluded. I know and easily cuss brainwashed and indoctrinated morons with a dogmatic mind because it's pointless having a discourse with 'em. If you're a truth seeker I'd easily prove to you why Islam, Mohammed and Allah is a complete fraud but no I'll pass, I've got better things to do than waste my time on idiots who believe in talking ants

Ooops! What a butthurt delusional dumbocrap and lunatic libtard you are. STFU and go sit down dumbass.

lemme ask, did someone upset you b4 writing all this, pls forgive the person, such a pain!

Hati13:
How many times do I've to tell you! I don't know seun. Ok, let's play the same game, show me proof that seun created NL? Answer it!

I was created by my parents. All life and every matter was created by nature. How? As science advanced, we will know it. Most of the things we now know wasn't known 500 years ago. Since science had advanced from 1500, now we know. We will know more in the future. I'm very sure as science advanced, there will be a time when all of them started to believe in science.

So, the Quran don't state like you said. So, everything you wrote about sperm and egg is your own interpretation.

Lol! so you don't know seun your fellow atheist in this Nairaland religion section..? I assumed you know him, he is the owner of this site, but the aim of my question was to formulate how easy you can proof it literaly... I will leave that.

created by nature..? so nature just began and started creating humans... I thought you beleieve your ancestors are monkeys or amoebas..
meanwhile you said they were my interpretation..? Ok Go through the following:

He has created both sexes, male and female from a drop of semen which has been ejected. (Qur'an, 53:45-46)

Was he not a drop of ejaculated sperm, then a blood-clot which He created and shaped, making from it both sexes, male and female? (Qur'an, 75:37-39)

He Who has created all things in the best possible way. He commenced the creation of man from clay; then He made his progeny from an extract of discarded fluid. (Qur'an, 32:7-

We created man from a mingled drop to test him, and We made him hearing and seeing. (Qur'an, 76:2)

Does man reckon he will be left uncontrolled [without purpose]? Was he not once a drop of ejected semen? (Qur'an, 75:36-37)

It is We Who have created you. Why, then, do you not accept the truth? Have you ever considered that [seed] which you emit? Is it you who create it? Or are We the Creator? (Qur'an, 56:57-59)

[We] then formed the drop into a clot and formed the clot into a lump and formed the lump into bones and clothed the bones in flesh; and then brought him into being as another creature. Blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators! (Qur'an, 23:14)

Wait am not done... The 3 dark stages of pregnancy is also present in the Quran: the 3 dark stages:
The darkness of the abdomen
The darkness of the womb
The darkness of the placenta

... He creates you stage by stage in your mothers' wombs in threefold darkness. That is Allah, your Lord. Sovereignty is His. There is no god but Him. So what has made you deviate? (Qur'an, 39:6)

should I continue..?

Hati13:
I don't know seun. I haven't said seun created NL, so you can't ask me to bring concrete evidence that he created NL. But you said, God exist and when I'm asking you to bring concrete evidence, you failed.

The reason for not watching the videos is because I'm not on WIFI. I'm on cellular and it cost high to watch video here.

Why are you saying, "you don't believe in God while there is correct proof"? Where is the proof? I believe in science, because every fact in it is supported by concrete evidences, but you are not believing in science, when there is tons of evidences to support it. Every logical points in the Quran and Bible are found in science, but not all logical points in science found in Quran or Bible.

I haven't read the Quran, so I don't know if that point is discussed in the Quran. But are you 100% sure every statement you wrote to me is written in the Quran? May be in simple and indirect way. But directly like you said, I doubt that, since that kind of knowledge wasn't present in that time.

You telling me you don't know seun just to escape the question? you see how you can't proof such thinks like directly? I will assume you know what you are doing..

it wont cost more than 5mb to watch as the video isnt up to 720p

The proof am telling you is he created you.. or who created you? answer THIS!

Get a Quran, No they are never direct, but wide.. a statement in the Quran can bear meaning for up to 10 instances in differnt cases..
PS. not a quran app o

Lol!

Plateau names dey be like korean and chinese name

Hati13:
Who is seun? Why do you ask? This has nothing to do with our discussion.

I haven't watched the video. Why do I need to lie to you?

Quran, Bible and so on..... are created by men. The logical points in them were stolen from scholars. Allah figure was stolen from the Jesus figure. Islam religion was created by Arabs to revive the Arab people, so to control the lucrative trade in that region and other parts of the globe. Prophet Mohammad was cruel as cruel can get. I've read about him in this forum today and most of his deeds were barbaric. 700 beheading in one day, rape and so on.......

It's your choice to believe in what you want, but I'm sure you would have lived a simple and good life if you are Atheist. What saddens me the most for believers is that they will not see how they made a mistake by believing in something that doesn't exist when they die, because once they die, they will be nothing to see their mistakes.

Lol!
Now am in your position, I don't know seun, does he exist..? proof to me he created this nairaland we are in...

Take 5 minutes of your time to watch!

Lol! Forget logical analysis... what am telling you to watch is beyond logical logistics... watch the video below in this thread: https://www.nairaland.com/3677741/mathematical-miracles-holy-quran-must
Yea, rape behead exact 700 men in one night, that's media islam for you.... you see your hypocrisy now..? You believe those false negative without concrete proof and don't believe God with concrete proof...

Death? That is when you realize you are doomed... seriously its a journey of no return...

You have not proove seun as the creator of NL ooo.. am still waiting...

Also answer this...
I believe everybody was created from Adam in the very beginning, you were noting but a sperm in your father's balls... you were nothing until you were injected into ur mother to form blood, then to flesh, bone and other tissues, till you were giving birth to alive with all your body part complete... Who do think is responsible for this..? and also it has been explained in the Quran 1400+ years ago! tell me...

alBHAGDADI:
You haven't explained anything. My thread is about a verse that justifies why ISIS and Boko Haram kill Muslims as well. Instead of you to tell me otherwise, you are here telling me of how the entire chapter made no sense.

Is ISIS wrong to have killed Muslims when Allah ordered that anyone who makes friends with Christians and Jews in ONE OF THEM, a thing which disqualifies the person from being Muslim and liable to be killed by islamists? Provide an answer to that, instead of the pile of garbage you have to there.

I have made a huge mistake in writing this for you... I doubts if you read it... you opened a thread, asked a question and listed some verses, I helped you break it down and you are still going back..

well, ISIS are WRONG!

Seriously, you called what I wrote above garbage..? then why did you asked?

Ok, lemme let u have good night sleep.. Yea, ISIS are real muslim, Allah usually drop weapons for them everynight through the moon down to the earth so they can fight!
Now I hope that will make you sleep in peace...

Hati13:
you see, you have no answer, but how can you have an answer, when there is no answer. Why do you believe on something that doesn't exist? Let me guess, fear or family pressure or friend pressure. One of them.

First am a muslim incase you don't know before...
I believe in Allah as one and only God who created me and everything in this world... Also Allah has left alot of signs in his book the Quran..
I asked you to watch that video yesterday, I know you already watch but you want to free style.. I will leave that..

Quran also noted a number 19 as a miracle number for the disbelievers... This 19 has alot beyond coincidence concerning our universe you can look it up, "Miracles Of 19 Quran"..

Fear? family? friend? lol... joke!

Answer that my question.. prrof to me Seun is the creator of Nairaland!

Hati13:
If God really exist, you don't need to go to other points to prove. Tell me one concrete evidence that he exist? But you will not tell me, because their is no God.

Ok Mr Hati13, tell me just a concrete evidence seun is the creator of Nairaland.

Now algbagadadi abi na bashiru read:

Verse 9:123 is one among 7 verses which are bound by a context. So Analyze them accordingly.

The below verses were revealed concerning the campaign of Tabuk, a city halfway between Mecca and Present day Syria. The believers had peace treaties with many tribes in and around Medina and many of these were not Muslims yet. According to the treaties they were supposed to march with the Prophet to help him in his cause but they failed to do so as Tabuk was too far and it was the season for harvest. Among those who lagged behind were three believers as well whom the Prophet peace on him hoped that they joined him.

In verse 9:117 – Allah is narrating the events after this incident when the Muslims had returned from the campaign. Read this verse properly and you will find it speaks of three parties viz the Prophet peace on him, the Emigrants and Helpers.The Emigrants are the first generation of Muslims who “immigrated” from Mecca to Medina due to persecution. The “Helpers” are those people of Medina who welcomed these refugees as there own and hence known as “Helpers” to the cause of God. None of these three parties are alive today. The whole incident narrates to something that was past.

In verse 9:118 – Allah says that he “forgave the three who were left behind“. These three people failed to join with the Prophet and the Main body of believers who were marching for this Campaign. Again, the reference here is to a specific incident that happened 1400 years ago.

In verse 9:119 – Allah is reprimanding “the three who were left behind” of the previous verse and instructing them not to repeat there mistake again of failing to be with the believers. They believers are supposed to be one united unit.

In verse 9:120 – Allah directly takes the name of a specific city called “Medina” and speaks few words to its inhabitants proving once again that the reference here is to a specific incident that happened 1400 years ago. Allah is reprimanding those tribes of Medina and Bedouins who failed to join the Prophet peace on him in the campaign. At the same time Allah praises the efforts of those who actually went.

In verse 9:121 – Allah continues to speak about these people of the old who were the best in his sight. Again, a direct reference to a specific group of people who have longed passed away.

In verse 9:122 – Allah provides instruction to the management of the early Muslims who were few in number compared to the gigantic number of enemies that surrounded them. He instructs them telling that when they go forth to battle they should leave few knowledgeable people behind so that in case they all die in the battle, the knowledge is not lost. During that time Islam was present in only two small cities called Mecca and Medina. Besides the pagans of Arabia, the Muslims were surrounded by ancient empires like the Roman Empire, the Byzantium Empire and the Persian Empire, all of whom had legions of armies hundreds of thousand strong and trained.

In verse 9:123 – STILL, Your Creator Commanded in this verse to the small band of Muslims to be hostile towards the sea of disbelieving people. This is guts. O you who have guts in your heart, you can’t but admire such courage of men and such instruction that these men of courage followed. If you can get inspired by Hollywood then why not be inspired by this? This is the real deal.

These people fought to establish the truth. As an example, entertain the possibility for a second in your minds, what if the Quran was really the latest and the last book from God? What if these people who were few in number were really following the instruction from the Creator of the Universe? If this was really true, then even though they were engulfed from all sides by a sea of people who believed in idols, saints and others attributing sons and daughters to God, the Creator of the Universe would still command them to oppose falsehood. This is exactly what happened. These small band of people would still have to struggle inch by inch against falsehood and prove to themselves that they were worthy to be the first among the mankind of that time to be guided to truth. And they did this to perfection.

God is not in need of us, it is us who are in need of him.

“O mankind! it is you who stand in need of Allah, but Allah is Rich (Free of all wants and needs), Worthy of all praise.” Quran 35:15

So, this was the first context of these verses. To single out verse 9:123 outside its context and say that Muslims are commanded to be harsh to disbelieves under all circumstances is bigotry. You would be guilty of doing exactly the same thing which you allege the Muslims to do, i.e being harsh to Muslims. If you believe that a God is watching you and Judging your actions then I don’t need to tell you that your thoughts are visible to Him and he is aware whether you are absolved or still involved in this bigotry.

Can I go over to the next chapter.?

alBHAGDADI:
Bringing the content of that thread here will result to derailing this one. Go there if you truly want to see how barbaric the Quran is.

I believe you've been there and couldn't refute any of the claims, that's why you are using the above tactics.

am there now...

Hati13:
If he can't be seen, then why do some people say that, they had seen him and some of them even say, he had talked to them.

3 years ago, I had experienced a situation known as "sleep paralyze". It was a very nightmare experience. If you want to know about it, search online. The people who said, they had an experience with a higher being either they had lied or experienced sleeping paralyze.

Everything that happened to us was only as a result of us and others(if they take part in it).

If you truly believe in God, tell me one concrete evidence that he exist?

sorry for humping in..
Only Musa (Moses) heard the voice of God just once!
anybody saying e/she heard it is a fraud..
When the sahabas of proper Muhammed SAW asked him if they will see God in paradise.
He responded: Do you see the sun in the afternoon.? they said yes, Do you see the Moon at night.? they said Yes..
Then the prophet said: Then surely you will see God...

Your existense is the biggest proof that God is existing...

true2god:
I beg to disagree bro. You can't do away with the hadith and the sunnah, as a Muslim, when/if they don't fit into your narrative. over 90% of the sharia law, fatwa and Islamic thought are from the hadith and the sunnah of your prophet. The five pillars of Islam, which Muslims hold and religiously promote, are not in the Quran but in the hadith. The number of times you pray in a day is dictated in the hadith, not the Quran. As a Muslim, you can't run away from the hadith, except you want to abandon Islam altogether.

Lemme break it down for you...
Hadith is just the combo of some life history of the prophets, his own ways, his own addition to islam and his teachings(not revelation)
lol... 5 prayers you mean..? go to Quran [Hood 11:114] and surah 30: Al Rum 17

also the pillars of islam are in the quran, the first is in 3:18.. can't remeber the verse of the remaining 4 they are all there...

annunaki2:
Even your so called quoran is filled with lies, contradictions, errors, inconsistencies and terror inspiring messages. Is it not the same pathetic quoran that says the sun sets in a muddy pool

lol.. talk is cheap.. bring the errors, incosistencies, contradictions out and LOL, lmao.. bring the sun pool too out

alBHAGDADI:
If the hadiths are not reliable, then how come you follow the 5 pillars of Islam and other Islamic practices written in them? How certain are you that they are truly Islamic practices?


below is a thread of mine that explains a Quran verse that supports the reason why ISIS kills Muslims as well, the killing which you Muslims love to use as reason why ISIS and the likes are not muslims. Pls, refute it on the thread.

https://www.nairaland.com/3707284/christians-muslims-why-isis-kills

5 pillars of islam are all in Quran FYI... dont expect me to hump unto that thread... bring them one by one here while I dissolve them..

true2god:
FYI, I am not a pastor because many pastors are not even trustworthy, that is not to say there are no genuine ones. I work in the financial service industry and a project consultant. Not bragging, na God I give all the glory.

Back to the issue at hand, as alBagdadi stated, who composed/compiled the hadith? Are Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn majjah and Abu dawood, who compiled most of the hadith and the sunnah, among the sahabas? No.

If you condemn the 'sirah' by ibn Ishaq, you should also condemn the hadith by Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn majjah and the sunnah by Abu dawood. This is because they compiled those hadith and the sunnah over 200 years after the death of Mohammed. And fya, Ibn Ishaq lives and write the biography of Mohammed long before Bukhari and Muslim compiled the hadith.

Non of the compiler of the hadith saw Mohammed face to face or had personal encounter with him. They were traveling from place to place to get information about Mohammed, just like the modern day investigative journalist, their findings which they compiled to form the hadith. You can call the compilers of the hadith journalist because non of them were eyewitness to the life of Mohammed and his sahabas. And you will agree with me that you can't trust what they compilers of the hadith because of thousands of bias, hence Muslims have to classify the hadith into authentic, weak and fabricated hadith.

From my perspective, the sirah, according to Ibn Ishaq, is more reliable that Bukhari's hadith because not all his hadith is sahih, according to Muslims.

you hear yourself, u just compared them to modern day journalist... like the one i quoted before... those things you wrote are all false..
read them again yourself, like : A whisper to B that C is mad... how was the whispered word noted..?
yeas that's your perspective because it suite u more isnt it?

alBHAGDADI:
If that's the case, then you should tell us that you don't believe in the authentic hadiths too cos they are also records and not one on one interviews.

Stop cherry picking.

the ONLY AUTHENTIC BOOK AND GUIDANCE FOR ALL MUSLIMS AND ISLAM IS THE HOLY QURAN .. the perfect book which will never get compromised or infected protected by Allah... unlike hadiths that have mostly contradicting words.. why? its of different people opinion, I can write Micheal Jackson bio that he is illuminati and you write yours that he was just a noble christian and not illuminati and that brings contradiction.
and also remember, the hadith can be compared to the likes of the bible.. but when you are ready to argue with me about islam, then bring forth the Holy Quran