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Ifeann:
Very nice reply...
As an agnostic liekiller will continue to doubt and attack christainity... In Islam agnostics and atheists are beheaded. .

right. And you know why? The only reason is that you people constantly talk biiiiig S-H-I-T about biology and science in general. This has gotten a lot worse in these past years since the USA started exporting a fanatic and nutty form of Christianity to Africa and elsewhere. If you kept your religion where it belongs (that is: in the church and certainly out of science) nobody would be attacking it. I personally respect everybody's right to believe whatever they want. As far as I'm concerned you can worship whatever you want in whichever way you want as long as it doesn't harm others. It doesn't affect me one bit and it's your good right. BUT: when you start with nonsensical and mendacious talk about what you know nothing about or don't want to know anything about, then it does affect me and there will be a reaction. Simple.

Ifeann:
No my friend not in biology but u know what the general scientific community say about theses things!

Oh yes, I actually do know what the general scientific global community says about these things. I happen to be a member of it (in biology).

Ifeann:
Yes i have written research papers and have 2 degrees.

U are quite an unintelligent skeptic. ..


Have you heard of the theory of gravity. ....nah u haven't ... it's the law of gravity.... there is no law of evolution. ..

degrees in what? apparently not biology. Funny how you just assume that I haven't heard about this or that.

Thugnificent:
Your ignorance is nauseating.

My ignorance in what please? If you consider a PhD in biology nauseating ignorance then I guess that's your problem, not mine. See how you start foaming from your mouth and showering hatred on me because I don't give in to your attempts to waste my time posting stuff that is published and accessible to whoever wants to learn about it. As I have said before: if you argue against evolution (which happens to be pure biology), then the burden of proof is on YOU to provide hard BIOLOGICAL evidence in support of your point. Hating me doesn't disprove evolution, sorry.

Ifeann:
I hope u know the theory of evolution is just a theory and not fact or law...

U seem to be convinced it's proven...

I hope you know what the meaning of the word "theory" in science is?

doubleDx:
What do you know about Biology? Smh!

I happen to have a PhD in it. And what's your qualification in the field?

Thugnificent:
Massive, overwhelming amount of evidence like?

Learn biology.

Joshthefirst:
Sounds like dishonesty to me. If there's an overwhelming amount of evidence surely you should be able to put just a tiny one here and shame me forever.

It doesn't matter what it sounds like to you. If you don't know where to find scientific papers then you are obviously not the scientist you claim to be. Instead of me listing a million peer-reviewed original research articles that confirm evolution why don't you post just ONE peer-reviewed article in a reputable biology journal that disproves it. Just ONE is needed to make the whole thing collapse.

davien:
Liekiller wonderful rebuttals,nice thread....you should also look into the foundational falshoods of creationism if you can...

Thanks Davien, good to have you on the thread I've been following you exposing the crooks (America's worst exports ever) if that's what you mean?

davidylan:
and i suppose you believe that evilbible.com is a credible website? What a joke.

Firstly, I never claimed that it is a "credible" website, and I didn't use it as "evidence" for anything. I merely put a small part from it (that can be considered a point of view) on here for discussion. The website actually just lists reasons why the person who made the site considers the bible to be evil and doesn't believe in it. While I agree with the general conclusions drawn by this person, this is not "evidence" for or against anything. It simply describes alternative conclusions one can come to when reading the bible critically. Secondly, you are free to go to the website and check whether or not it quotes the bible wrongly.

davidylan:
that is actually false. If you spent time here you would have seen threads robustly debating the so-called "evidence", much of which you clearly do not know anything about. All you have to offer is empty platitudes... if we asked you to come here and debate just one of such "evidence" you say exists, you couldnt.

of course I could. I'm actually a biologist. But I won't. It's not my job to teach you biology. I would go through the effort if it weren't such a waste of time. But you are not willing to look at and understand the evidence because your mind is made up that it can't be true because it contradicts your belief. You are free to believe whatever you wish of course. It's just funny that you keep asking for evidence (even though it's all published and there for everybody to see) but don't need any evidence to support your own belief.

Joshthefirst:
There you go again spitting dogma. I challenge you to bring up one tiny scrap of evidence that shows that all living organisms evolved from a common ancestor.

LOL it's all out there for everybody to evaluate. You can "challenge" me as much as you want - It's not my job to teach you biology. So why don't you provide a tiny scrap of evidence for your version of the story? Or is no evidence needed for that?

Thugnificent:
Wow! fantastic logic! because the "entire" scientific community agrees on evolution proves it's correct right?

They agree on it because of the massive, overwhelming amount of EVIDENCE various fields of science have accumulated over the past 150 years. So, what I was saying is: if you want to "disprove" it, then you ought to deal with that evidence. It's not about making this claim or that claim based on personal preferences or beliefs.

malvisguy212:
God bless you bro, I love your first post.

Op, I really wish you could take all the time you needed and read through this link,see how atheism is evil. Please my sister read it https://www.intellihub.com/darwinism-eugenics-and-the-silent-genocide/

I did take the time to read it, thank you. I have a feeling you didn't though
Seriously, we have a problem here if you don't know the difference between atheism and eugenics, and then come around with a text from a conspiracy theory website to make a point that remains mysterious to me. Try again.

davidylan:
The problem with folks like you is you cannot debate the science on which you base your unbelief. You rather hide your ignorance by calling others names. Let me throw the challenge again... Set up a thread purely to talk about the science of evolution and let's thrash it out. No religion... Just pure common sense and hard care chemistry and molecular biology/genetics. All this unserious waffling about religious people when your entire belief system is wrapped up in blind adherence to the church of pseudoscience is laughable.

What makes you say that my unbelief is based on science?!? That statement is not accurate at all.

As for the science thread: The burden of proof is on you when it comes to evolution. If you think you can disprove something that the entire scientific community agrees on then go right ahead.

dabosuker:
In as much as some of you here would want to fry the OP, her idea makes full sense. I am not an atheist , i was born & breed a christian . off course i just followed what i saw without question . Now am grown & educated , i no longer think like a child after education & experience. i begin to ask questions about this thing called religion, not just Christianity, every other one out there. i cant really say too much about others , but when it comes to Christianity , it is questionable, it can also be contradictory & confusing too. i have come to understand that the bible it self can not be a basis for morality IMO. it is a book , yes you can say the stories where written by people under God"s inspiration,

most of the books where not written under eye witness account, which makes them questionable.

some of the books give different accounts of the same story e.g (matthew, mark , luke) events leading to Jesus death.

what is it with Old & New testament?...why do the laws or teachings not agree? and if the new testament is the real deal, why do we still study & follow some of the doctrines of the old testament?

so much atrocities committed in the old testament by the children of Israel, today we call such..extreme genocide!..yet God is a God of love. i find it hard to comprehend

sometimes i seat and wonder about some of the books of the bible, were the writers actually referring to people of "all time", or they were referring to people of "their time" or a certain time. e.g the story in revelations, the letters of paul . (if only paul knew what would become of his letters).

Jesus said he would return, he said it would not tarry. He said he would return in the life time of those people he was talking to before ascending. but its been centuries and he has not returned, or maybe he has & has taken his people & most of us do not know....

Even the bible of today was assembled by a council of people, (like what u have when a new pope has to be named) council of the Nicene. it was here the bible was assembled , tales that looked good were included & ones that didn"t make Christianity look too good where removed . its not like the bible as we know it ,was sent down from Heaven

what ever the moslems or islam are/is doing today, Christianity has also done it at a certain time. those periods where the church ruled Europe (world)..the pope/cardinals were as powerful as monarchs, they words were law, they tell you what to believe, you dare not think differently from the status quo or be killed . the church used to believe the earth was the centre of the universe, that everything revolves
around us, philosophers & free thinkers were killed for thinking or suggesting otherwise. Today with the help of science we now know we are just a less than tiny part of the universe. Today we are civilized and are allowed to think freely & reason.
At the end of the day am not saying scrap religion , cause i think people should be allowed to believe what they want , since it also helps to answer some of the questions or mysteries of life and the world (what we dont understand we leave it for God, until science brings an answer).but at the same time I will never throw science away, infact it makes me sick to the stomach when people dis regard science. Just look around us today, and ask "how much as science given us ?". if you say science is good & you still say "all good things come from God".ponder on that.
Dont call me an Atheist , you can call me a religious Critic. I am one of the few that believe religion & science do not have to be parallel, science and religion are on the same page, there is just a whole lot of mis understanding (it is very easy for man to mis understand God).
lastly
If we say Religion is good & we also agree that Education & reasoning is necessary in society, then we should be able to pour reasoning into Religion. if not, something must be wrong with one of them ,….& I bet you, Education is Alright.

Nice post, thank you. There is still hope for this world as long as not everybody goes full brainwashed retard. While often accused of it, I have no problem with anyone believing. I have a problem with brainwashed fanatics. It's good to see that there are obviously still a few individuals like you around.

amokeme:
am referring to the name of the link "evilbible.com not your write-up! Sorry i commented on your thread, Dan Allah don't quote me again.. Good night abi morning!

I meant the link too. Don't judge a book by its cover. Have you read anything on that website that would make you understand why it's named as it is? Of course not. Why do I even ask.

amokeme:
the name is wrong with it..

did you read it? did you understand it? no? then don't say anything about it.

amokeme:
The source tho

what's wrong with the source? There is much truth to be found in there, even if not everybody may like it

10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.

7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."

3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.

From: http://www.evilbible.com/Top_Ten_List.htm

Joshthefirst:
One becomes an ardent follower in "science" once the concept is the of evolution of all organisms from a common ancestor. It cannot be proved. It cannot be observed. It is an interpretation of the timelines. An opinion of history, not science.

My lack of belief in that particular interpretation would not invalidate my position as a scientist. If stephen Hawking refuses to believe in the common ancestor concept it wouldn't make him any less a scientist.

Please try to make your points quick and precise. Instead of leading in different directions.

THIS is what I was referring to in my own responses to you. You seem to think that this all is about "belief". It isn't. A scientific approach doesn't CARE what the outcome will be. As opposed to your so-called "creation science" that manipulates observed facts in order to fit into a preconceived idea. Just like you attempted to do above. And yes, this makes you less of a scientist or more precisely a non-scientist. Your only argument in "refuting" a scientific theory that has been confirmed a million times with a million different sources by a million different people is to state that you "don't believe in it". While I personally don't care one bit what you believe or don't believe, you should at least understand that this approach is NOT scientific. That is the opposite of science. I doubt that you know even 0,01% of the knowledge that has been accumulated in the fields of genetics, comparative anatomy, palaeontology etc. etc., and still you are arrogant enough to claim that it's all based on nothing. And then you go on to call me arrogant? WHO is arrogant here? haha
Just as a side note: as far as I'm concerned one CAN believe in a creator AND evolution etc. The only people who seeem to have problems with bringing the two together are Christian fanatics of the very antiquated type who take their books all too literally. How about questioning your "holy book" as much as you question everything else??

By the way I never said one cannot be a scientist AND believe i a god. But then again to me, "believing in a god" is not limited to being a fanatic young earth christian creationist and thus believing a book written by man in ancient times to be 100% true and accurate.

Joshthefirst:
First, it is very relevant for the topic as it shows that one of the most prominent thinkers who ever lived believed in a creator. Thus showing that belief in a creator does not make one any less of a scientist. Creationists are no less scientists that evolutonists. And I was merely trying to prove plaetton wrong and show up his bold lying.

Your second point makes no sense ma'am. why would I point to an evolutionary biologist for validation as a creationist? And yes, there are very reputable scientists of our modern world who believe in God. Look at the recent debate between ken ham and bill bye and see ken mention some.

And who are you to say I don't even understand the idi.otic philosophies you call science? For your information I was an ardent follower and product of this system you follow before I began to think straight and apply common sense and question what I found out to be my beliefs. Your arrogance is sickening.

And your last point merely shows you know little to nothing about Newton if you think he questioned "common belief" in a creator in secret.

No it's not relevant. It doesn't even disturb me IF he actually believed in a creator. What disturbs me is that you insinuate that if ONE big thinker believed in a creator there must be a creator. That's no valid point.
You shouldn't refer to modern scientists to "validate yourself as a creationist". But you should definitely do so when you attempt to discuss (or more likely refute) scientific theories. If you have a deep knowledge of any science as you claim you should actually know that you cannot disprove a scientific theory established with scientific methods by stomping on the floor and exclaiming furiously that it's a lie. Neither can you disprove it with so-called creationist science, because that does NOT use scientific methods. So, if you argue against science, then use science to do so. Everything else makes no sense and -sorry to say again - makes you look dumb.

Joshthefirst:
You should be ashamed of yourself.
http://rsc.byu.edu/archived/converging-paths-truth/brief-survey-sir-isaac-newtons-views-religion
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Isaac_Newton

1) how is it relevant for the topic if or if not Isaac Newton (17th/18th century) believed in a creator?
2) why do creationists never quote any scientists that lived after the 18th century? How about some 21st century cosmologists or evolutionary biologists?
3) i know it's asking too much, but how about actually trying to obtain in-depth knowledge about 21st century science? You don't even understand its most basic principles and yet you "refute" it. That - sorry to say - makes creationists look dumb.
4) i don't care whether or not Newton believed in a creator, it's irrelevant to the topic. BUT: please take the historical context into account when debating such matters. The fact is: during the 17th century it would have been extremely unwise to question the common belief and thus the churches authority publicly. This doesn't mean people didn't do so. It means they would have most likely done so in secret to avoid execution.

HopeForWarri:
Liekiller, very nice post.

You will be thankful you are not residing with me in Warri.

Here it's acceptable for the cultists themselves to be part of government.

See here: https://www.nairaland.com/2119150/square-peg-round-hole

This is even more disheartening, yet another example of the same phenomenon. If I understand this right the head of the Black.Axe. is running for election It's not as if these guys are not known as what they are. I am starting to think we should all boycot these elections until acceptable candidates are brought forth. This is outrageous!!

This is just another example of what is seriously wrong with our country.

Politicians who pay members of illegal organisations (like the cultists in this example) to rig elections, intimidate or kill opponents – or for whatever reason – should undoubtedly be EXCLUDED from the election. This is a pathetic joke. How is a country supposed to function and improve if the people running for election can openly support crime and as a result cause deaths (or even be known criminals, cultists, thieves etc. themselves) and still be allowed to run for "election". Or rather buy votes with money and rice - which should also be banned! How will we ever get capable leaders this way??

I don tire ooooooooooooo

Kashamu Largesse: Three dead as cult groups clash in Ijebu Ode

Three persons have been confirmed dead in Ijebu Ode, Ijebu Ode local government area of Ogun state after two cult group engaged in a free for all fight over the largesse of a senatorial candidate in the area.

Our correspondent reliably gathered that during one of the campaign tour of the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) senatorial candidate for Ogun East, Prince Buruj Kashamu, he gave out some large chunk of money to the boys leading to a brouhaha in the town.

As at the time of filling this report, it is reported that the matter has been worsened even as intensive security meeting is ongoing now at the Obalende Divisional Police station, Ijebu Ode over the matter.

An eyewitness at the scene said: “when Kashamu came to Ijebu Ode for his campaign, he gave them some money and while sharing the money, it was alleged that the Eiye group who claimed to be the mastermind of the money and they must get the large sum while the Aiye group opposed the idea.

“The money was later shared but it ended in a threat war. Sometimes last week, at a naming ceremony of one of them at Adefisan area of Ijebu ode, the Aiye group killed one boy identified as Abass and last night also another Eiye member known as Sunday was killed at Oju ega area, near the Olabisi Onabanjo market, Ita Osu in Ijebu ode.

“Now they have started counting again and if care is not taken, the matter may be worst than what has been happening in the past because we are now in the election period and you would agree with me that most of these boys are thugs of some of these politicians. I want to call on the governor and other security agencies to hurriedly do something about the matter,” the eyewitness said.

Confirming the incident to PM News this morning, the Ijebu Zonal Commandant of the Ogun State Vigilante Service, Mr Marcus Ayankoya disclosed that the matter has been reported at their office and they have forwarded the details to the police headquarters at Igbeba for further action.

Ayankoya said the boys have been terrorising the area in the last few weeks, saying his men and officers from all the six local government areas that comprises the Ijebu zone gave assurance of their readiness to tackle them.

He also disclosed that another boy was killed early this morning at Imaweje town in Odogbolu local government area of the State.

Ayankoya said the corpse has been deposited at the mortuary of the General hospital, Omo-Owo, Ijebu Ode.

Information gathered was that the boy was a member of the Aiye group.

One of the security officials confirmed that the police and the Vigilante Service will from today begin daily joint patrol across Ijebuland to flush out bad eggs from their society.

The source disclosed that the security report at their disposal as revealed that all the black spots in the areas will be flushed during the joint patrol exercise.

http://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2015/02/16/kashamu-largesse-three-dead-as-cult-groups-clash-in-ijebu-ode/

lastmessenger:
I am not obliged to obey you. The guy in question knows very well that I am not saying something that is not true.

How old are you? 12? I guess you think you're being very smart here, but to any thinking person all this is just ridiculous. You're talking like an obnoxious small boy which is what you most likely are. Making up random sh"it like that... Really? You don't expect any grown up person to take any of your nonsense seriously, do you? Another "good christian" hahaha

henri2398:
The Ebola situation which has become the most popular International news, the fake fraud and cheating has started rolling out. Just check out this post to know more - Ebola crisis brings out another sickness: Vile scammers

indeed. point of correction though: the scams started rolling out as soon as ebola became known. It's the same with every epidemic

Santino1:
From MSc level upward, all courses are taught in English (At least for ETH and University of Zurich). Hence, you are not required to speak any of those languages. It doesn't hurt if you learn one of them though.

I'd like to add for the sake of clarity that it depends on the part of Switzerland you're in. In the west they speak french, a small part in the south italian, the big rest german. It definitely makes a LOT of sense to learn the one spoken wherever you are. It makes daily life a lot easier, and people treat you differently when they see that you are trying to integrate.

Very unique and fascinating! I have seen these pictures before, but I think they are a few years old? Anyone know if these guys are still around, and where?

AgentOfAllah:
The purpose of my example was to demonstrate that there is no clearly defined line called "Same kind". For example, an eagle is not any less a kind of a parrot than my hypothetical BRB is a kind of BBBRB. I have demonstrated this both mathematically and visually. What we have are models, and the closer we get to the common ancestor, the the less useful these models are.

You understand that, I understand that, but the followers of ID usually don't. They seem to think two birds mating should instantly produce a rat to "prove evolution" LOL. The problem generally seems to be that they would expect evolution to work in a way THEY define beforehand so they could believe it, whereas in reality it describes how observed diversity came about but does not predict what any given plant or animal is "supposed to" evolve into.

I understand your point, but this loaded task will be asking for too much, I think. The fossil records abound, and whoever disputes this can search by themselves...just a click away.

Definitely. I don't see why we are expected to waste our time writing stuff that is already readily accessible.

very nice post, AgentofAllah. But you know what the issue with this will be again... birds are still the same "kind". One of us needs to take the time to dig into the fossil record for the fish-amphibian or the reptile-bird transition, and I hope it will be you LOL.
Just like the differentiation between micro and macro evolution doesn't make sense the "complexity" issue doesn't make sense either. I am yet waiting for the creationist explanation of what makes a trilobite less "complex" than an ape from a biological point of view.