plaetton:


Lol.
You forgot to answer the other question.
Did you or did you not take medical treatmdnts or medications for the malaria and the other ailments ?
Yes or no?

They always "forget" that question. Well even if he didn't take meds it's more common than not to get healthy after being sick. Diseases actually do go away all naturally lol. Humans would have gone extinct long ago if that weren't the case. It seems to be just another case of complete medical ignorance here.

davien:
They'd be branded as feminists who are always seeking to be superior to men....that ideology has been going on for a very long time....

Yes they would. However this is all based on an extremely wrong idea of feminism. The word is used as an insult in naija even though nobody knows what it's all about. Feminism is certainly NOT about hating men or seeking superiority.

davien:


And I too listen to "unholy music"....mine is even rock and heavy metal....lol...

Bwahaha you surely must be possessed by the devil

johnydon22:


Thinking men are superior to women in any way and this leads to social discrimination sometimes.. Some even think women to be the cause of evil in the world.. Pathetic and stupendous.

Forgetting that both men and women are just different sexes of the same Homo sapiens. . none is greater, superior to the other..

THE WORLD NEEDS EQUALITY... AFRICAN WOMEN NEEDS EQUALITY...

You hit the nail on the head!

johnydon22:


A society that blames you for wearing a short skirt when you are raped, instead of blaming the id!ot that committed the crime..

Indeed. And a society that teaches women that their only purpose is to breed like rabbits and OBEY. Individuality, thinking, and having an opinion would all be used against any female who dares.

BoboYekini:
Nairaland. Well, it's mostly inference as I've never outed any in real life. I'd marry her.

That just goes to show how extreme things have gotten in naija. What can you expect in a society that absolutely demands females to put their religious bigotry on display?

@ Dekatron
I agree very much with johnydon22 and menesheh. In an environment of out-of-control religious madness it is certainly not easy to be openly atheistic. So for your own peace of mind you will probably want to avoid getting into debates with overly religious people all too often. In most cases it leads nowhere, the brainwashing is so extreme that most can't allow themselves to even ask "what if"? or look at their beliefs critically. However, you are not alone out there. A growing number of people are starting to use their brains, and this is the beginning of much needed change. Some of the younger generation are starting to rattle the cage of religious mind control. So instead of battling it out in futile discussions with zealots I would encourage you to connect with others of your kind and to sharpen your intellectual blade some more. The internet gives those of us who live under the yoke of religious insanity the freedom to express themselves without fear. Use it

This whole thread is highly informative (and amusing). The amount of twisted thinking, re-interpretation, creative bulls*itting and mindfuc*ery it takes to make reality seemingly agree with the ole book!

BoboYekini:
Kinda like the penchant you lot have for the latest celebrity diet, females are mostly atheist because they think it's cool, not because of any genuine soul-searching.

haha ok. since when is it considered cool to be an atheist in naija? and what is the sample size this observation is based on?

BoboYekini:
I find that for females, atheism is rarely a life-long calling. More like a fad.

What makes you say that?

The only shocking thing here is the dishonesty of the claims. "Many cases have been linked to..."?!? So where's the scientific study to back up any of it?? There is none. Making unfounded claims is NOT science. There are proper ways to study such potential links, but this here is just blatant propaganda. Don't believe a word of it (regardless of how you see abortion).

can you quote where "white man" was telling Africans to become gay? What idiocy is this again? Are you able to understand that a certain percentage of humans simply IS gay. They don't "turn gay" just as little as they can "turn hetero". The reason you may not see them so openly in Africa is because... guess??... they would have to fear for their lives if they came out in public. But they exist just like everywhere else, and they are certainly NOT the product of "white man" teachings. You don't seem to understand another thing: allowing people to live according to their nature as long as it doesn't harm anyone else is NOT the same as "telling people to be gay". The usual display of ignorance, racism and not minding your own business. Doesn't naija have real problems to obsess about?

same here my friend... I am a biologist but this is not at all my field of expertise, sorry.

Crowny11:


not d religion,
but poverty and end time syndrome

my sister, who is peddling the end time bulls.hit if not churches? Who is making people poor by scamming them out of the little they have if not churches? Who is keeping poor people busy with all sorts of mad 15th century bulls.hit if not churches? See, if people used all the time, energy and money they waste with scam churches for something PRODUCTIVE instead (like education or building a business), then they could actually make progress. Religion is a brain-eating scourge!!

Those posters are as laughable as they are frightening. Calling for the killing of "witches" in 2015.... Straight back to the 15th century. What worries me most is that millions attend these sick events and believe every word of these thieving and lying yahoo boys called pastors. And are even unable to see how it all contradicts their very own bible. It never fails to amaze me to which extent religion can eradicate thinking. Then these same witch hunters will accuse Islam of being violent. And a good number of fervently praying miracle seekers will use the name of their god while scamming on the internet because "hammering" is the only miracle they are after. Not to mention all the "god-fearing" husbands getting all outraged about the sins of others and will be seen buying schoolgirls (who again will be at church pretending to be pure and god-fearing virgins) the day after. Sick sick sick ooooo

honoure:
Op. U r wrong in some points noted. For example there is no scientific prove to show the world is a few billion yeras old. It would surprise u that scientific evidence rather supports a shorter time frame like the bible says. The oldest treee in the world is just over 5 thousand years old. U cna goolge it. What scientist mostly do is guessing which they call theories. If u r current u will know thta the theory of evolution is no longer valid as it has been discredited by feloow non believing scientists. Check the work by raymond tallis who surprisingly is an atheist.

Oh please. What is it with all you people who have zero education in biology or other science and come here to lecture others about it You might be surprised that the oldest known fossilized forest is 380 million years old. Of course you don't have a clue what fossils are but you are free to google it. You can also google how their age is determined. Apart from that you obviously don't have even a minimal understanding of the scientific method. Each and every of your claims is utter bullshit. It's in your own interest to shut up about things that you know NOTHING about. It's just dumb arrogance, and you make a complete fool of yourself if you don't.

frank317:


ya, but thats my point...8 pages down And the main reason for the thread is not even discussed... How David Mr PhD got us talking about science, I wonder... What do you guy feel about the point she raised

That's ok there are interesting discussions going on, and even if they are not directly about the initial post almost every aspect of it has been confirmed here

Peterken05:

That's it

he has no basic knowledge of biology.
There are lots of religious people that re okay with science, what they do is that, whenever science discover new things, they would go bck to their holy books and reinterpret it figuratively and they are cool with science, they accept new discoveries.

only the FUNDAMENTALIST have problem with science

Thank you. That's exactly the point. Well, the fundies never fail to come around and prove every point that was made. So it was in this case

But... Doesn't their belief teach them not to lie....

davidylan:


lol we've seen this type of lazy cowardice before... atheists tell you that there is definitive proof that evolution is true... ask them for evidence and they embarrass themselves with such above nonsense. If indeed evolution is true, and you know, how is it so difficult to post just one paper that puts all our doubts into the shade? Except of course the problem is that you really have no clue...

just doing a search using a search term is laughable idiocy to be honest. That a paper has a word in its title does not mean the paper proves that the word is true. Just to humor you... i also went on nature.com and searched for the word "idiocy" ... i came up with 25 references... VOILA! Idiocy is also a theory! It must be true! Afterall i found it on nature, no?

http://www.nature.com/search/executeSearch?submit=go&sp-q-1=&sp-a=sp1001702d&sp-c=25&sp-x-1=ujournal&sp-sfvl-field=subject|ujournal&shunter=1424698399976&sp-q=macroevolution&sp-m=0&sp-p=all&sp-s=&sp-p-1=phrase&pag-end=1

I searched for "creationism" on nature too, i came up with 480 articles (far more than the 278 articles you found for macro-evolution)... By your lazy definition, that must mean creationism is a valid science, is supported by scientific evidence and is scientifically more valid than macro evolution right? What a joke!

Here is an example of just one of the papers your nature search pulled up -
Obituary: Stephen Jay Gould (1941–2002)
Derek E. G. Briggs
Nature 417, 706-706 doi:10.1038/417706a

What does that have to do with proving that macroevolution is true? These people are such dunder heads.

As usual you produce nothing of substance. You asked for links about the evidence, I posted some. Yes, of course it's only a search list, thank you, I am aware of the shortcomings. Whoever wants evidence can go through it though and will find it. I told you before that I'm not going to re-type and discuss any of it. So just stop wasting everybody's time with your crap. I'm still waiting for you to show us ONE paper that FALSIFIES the theory of evolution. Then also tell me how you expect the results of 150 years of research in so many different fields to be found in one magical paper when every year a few hundred new papers are published on the topic.

davidylan:


lol you are most certainly confused as a lot of your logic above makes zero sense.

The claim that a scientific theory cant be proved is false. Have you ever heard of the term "hypothesis"? Even if we accept your claim that a scientific theory CANNOT be proved, then how come you think the theory of evolution has been proved?

To say evolution has not been falsified in spite of 150 years of research is partially correct... the problem is that evolution has not been proven to be true in the first place. You cant falsify something that simply exists in the minds of blind devotees.

If evidence "most certainly exists" then where is it? Why is it taking you 7 pages to provide just ONE paper to show us that the evidence exists? When you made an attempt, all you did was do a google search?

In scientific terminology (whatever the heck that means), a theory does not necessarily mean there is evidence to support it. For example, have you heard of the theory of dark matter? Where is the evidence to support it? It is high time non-science people stop embarrassing themselves here.

Please read this since you obviously don't have a clue what "theory" means in science http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
And you claim to be a molecular biologist. Hahaaaa.

frank317:


Seriously, what are you doing here? The OP says ten signs u are a fundamentalist christian... How in the world did you digress to discussing science? What has science got to do with the points the op raised?

Did you even notice that Christians and Muslims have taken over the thread with accusation? [b]They just proved the op right and instead of thinking and reflecting on it you are here battling with science, yet you call yourself a scientist. [/b]What's ur point really? What do you want?

you gotta love the irony, right?

[quote author=davidylan post=31023837]

Another mindless lie. No one has called intelligent design a science... it is simply faith in a divine creator... at least creationists are willing to acknowledge the truth no matter how unpalatable.

It's funny how your only contribution is always to call everybody liars, idiots, morons, while YOU are the one lying. So "no one has called intelligent design a science"? Please...! Like... "no one" except every single proponent of it?? They even created their own "scientific" and "peer-reviewed" journals to pretend it's science after they were unable to publish in established journals! http://www.discovery.org/id/peer-review/

It is true that you dont owe us proof of anything... just wonder why you're here howling for proof that religion is true. Cant have it both ways dear.

Not once did I "howl for proof that religion is true", it's another lie of yours. I did point out however that you don't seem to require any proof for that, while at the same time denying evidence for many other things that actually exists.

I have over 20 published research papers on US pubmed so spare us the "publish your own" nonsense. You sound like ooman, plaetton and co. The same useless excuses rather than showing us the science. I dont need to disprove 150 years of research... the research to support macro evolution just does not exist... i challenge you to provide publications to support that it does. You're the one who came here lecturing us on how science has made religion obsolete... we ask you to go ahead and show us and you turn around to ask us to disprove your claims? Laughable cowardice.

Good. Then you certainly know that a scientific theory can't be proved but only falsified. Evolution has not been falsified in spite of 150 years of research in palaentology, comparative anatomy, embryology, genetics, geology etc. However, this makes your statement yet another LIE. The evidence most certainly does exist, which is why evolution is now a "theory". As you certainly know, this means - in scientific terminology - that it is indeed backed up by abundant evidence and has not been falsified. Another LIE of yours is that I lectured anybody how "science made religion obsolete". While I certainly do find religion obsolete, science is not the reason for my opinion. Furthermore all this mendacious nonsense sheds serious doubt on your claims of being a biologist. You would most certainly be well aware of the evidence if you actually were a biologist!

In order to allow you to move on to the next topic of bitching, here are a few links, just a few thousand articles listed here, in only a minimal percentage of all journals we could be sniffing around in:


NATURE (278 references with keyword macroevolution)
http://www.nature.com/search/executeSearch?submit=go&sp-q-1=&sp-a=sp1001702d&sp-c=25&sp-x-1=ujournal&sp-sfvl-field=subject|ujournal&shunter=1424698399976&sp-q=macroevolution&sp-m=0&sp-p=all&sp-s=&sp-p-1=phrase&pag-end=1

SCIENCE (220 references with keyword macroevolution)
http://www.sciencemag.org/search?submit=yes&site_area=sciencejournals&journalcode=sci&journalcode=sigtrans&journalcode=scitransmed&y=0&FIRSTINDEX=0&fulltext=macroevolution&x=0

JOURNAL OF EVOLUTIONARY BIOLOGY (202 references with keyword macroevolution)
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/advanced/search/results

Then, as a special treat for you, the self-proclaimed molecular biologist, lets have a look what's in a few renowned molecular biology journals:

GENETICS (69 references with keyword macroevolution)
http://www.genetics.org/search?fulltext=macroevolution&submit=yes&x=0&y=0

JOURNAL OF MOLECULAR BIOLOGY (119 references with keyword speciation, 6994 with keyword evolution, just for some variation....)
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleListURL&_method=list&_ArticleListID=-737803677&_sort=r&_st=13&view=c&md5=3c73e87167ecc3e71a381258795abfb7&searchtype=a
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleListURL&_method=list&_ArticleListID=-737805822&_sort=r&_st=13&view=c&md5=51bceaabddcfd0e31d387843c7d78389&searchtype=a


and so on, and so on... you'll notice that we haven't even gone into any specialized journals yet. So, as a conclusion, either you truly stink in your alleged field of research, or you are just full of shiiiiit.

P.S. why don't you just make your life easier by claiming that your god created evolution?

tobechi20:


many nairaland atheist claim to be scientologist

Just to be sure...do you know the difference between scientology and science!?!

lepasharon:


Erm nope..I beleive im n the right thread. I dont want to be re-brainwashed. What are you doing here anyway

I think you are in the right thread too

davidylan:


that is mindlessly false. no serious christian even pretends that the book of genesis is science. we know for a fact that the christian faith is what it is... a faith. What is befuddling is that atheists like you who ridicule blind faith are no better considering your own "faith" in pseudo-science is just as blind.



We have read this very same pitiful excuse for the last 5 years. It is the same nonsense we read when atheists are asked to back up their claims with actual facts. This thread has gone on 6 pages or so and you have religiously followed it all along... you are fine "wasting your time" debating religion but won't "waste your time" providing the proof to back up your "science". Please spare us the miserable hypocrisy.



which is funny considering i've been asking the exact same question since page 2 only to be met with stony silence and insults. Funny how you find it a waste of your time to provide peer-reviewed articles to support your own idea but sit on your high horse asking others to provide articles to support theirs. We asked first... how about you show us first.

Genuine scientists have no problem discussing the science and providing proof that they are indeed knowledgeable in the field they spout. It is the fake ones who waffle on about "time wasting" as an excuse. I've been calling for a science-only thread since, you basically dismiss it as a "waste of your time"... funny.

First of all, I didn't say that you claim that the book of genesis is science. I referred to the pseudoscience of "intelligent design" which is by no means the same as the book of genesis. Secondly, you didn't ask me for peer-reviewed articles. You asked me to re-type and discuss published research, which I won't. I don't owe you any proof that I am "knowledgeable". I repeat again that this research is all published. Whoever wants to see it can look it up. And if you find any of it to be wrong you are free to conduct your own research and publish it in scientific journals. I also repeat again that it disproves absolutely NOTHING to accuse me of being a fake scientist. You would have to disprove 150 years of research in order to do that. Since you apparently can - why don't you You are also free to open a science thread and present your "evidence" if that's so important to you - why don't you?

AllNaijaBlogger:


Like I said- they are good at being anti-religious but at science, they flounder!

Lol!! Your problem is that you are actually convinced that "creation science" or "intelligent design" is science. Well it isn't. It does not use any scientific method and does not adhere to scientific standards and is therefore not science. This is also why you will never find it in any reputable biology journal (no it's NOT due to discrimination).
I have made the mistake before to waste days days discussing science with creationists. It truly is a waste of time and i am not doing it ever again.
You can go on and on trying to ridicule my scientific credentials (which you can't even evaluate because i have refused to waste my time discussing any science with you guys). It doesn't matter to me, and it certainly doesn't disprove any science. By the way... Since you are so busy doubting my qualification... I asked you guys a dozen times to show us just one - ONE - peer reviewed original article in a reputable biology journal that supports your ideas. The only answer to this were the usual insults. That says it all, eh?

Many people claim that the poor design of our universe and/or God's involvement or lack thereof results in a universe that is unacceptable.

LOL what nonsense. The only thing unacceptable are the moronic claims and lies that the "intelligent design" branwashing machinery makes.

ribbit:
even if you tell these people that oxygen is the reason why they live...they will ask creative stupid question like bring oxygen or there is no evidence that they need oxygen but god to live when it is so obvious that they... need oxygen to live...

since you didnt discover oxygen or carry out some scientific experiment on oxygen means the whole idea is stupid.... theists101

its as a result of years and years of brainwashing... they will never think outside the box but bible written by drunk barbarian after sleeping with 13 years old girl.

that sums it up extremely well

malvisguy212:
Another reason for rejecting God (choosing atheism), is a willing
acceptance of satanic deception.

The angel Lucifer fell
and became Satan (“adversary”) due to
his desire to supplant God. This was
Lucifer’s single-minded obsession.
He not only rejected God by attempting
to supplant Him, but he urged humans
to do likewise. Satan urged Eve to choose
against God for her own self-fulfilment:
He said to the woman, “Did God actually
say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the
garden’?” And the woman said to the
serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the
trees in the garden, but God said, ‘You
shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is
in the midst of the garden, neither shall
you touch it, lest you die.’” But the
serpent said to the woman, “You will not
surely die. For God knows that when you
eat of it your eyes will be opened, and
you will be like God, knowing good and
evil.” (Genesis 3:1-5 ESV).

The tactic is clear: firstly, question God’s
statements, then, contradict God’s
statements and, finally, urge rebellion in
seeking equality with God.
This manifests in atheists as;
1. Questioning whether there is a God to
make statements in the first place, so
God did not say anything.
2. Contradicting the statements said to
have been spoken by God.
3. Seeking equality with God by replacing
God with the self.

This satanic deception appeals strongly
to atheists as it bolsters two of their
desired delusions: 1) absolute autonomy
—being free to do as they please, and 2)
the lack of ultimate accountability—there
are no eternal consequences for doing as
they please.

I tell you the truth, I have encounter God ,long before I even became a Christian I have seen Jesus saved me in my dream.God's there.

You're in the wrong thread sir

anssy:


everyone cheats, you even cheat on the god you worship, so if my husband cheat on me, it does not mean that he does not worship me, It is a notorious fact that the flesh is weak, i just do not any god to share his worship with me, how can i share his worship with an imaginary god , I need all the attention, did I mention that he will pay his tithe to me and not God, he is going to make us try all the sex styles ant not just missionary, when I am sick he will take me to the hospital and not to the church, he won't threaten my future kids with Hellfire, when we have a problem, we will look for a solution and not praying to an imagination, the benefits of marring an atheist is unending.

So you don't have a problem sharing his "worship" with other women?? While I agree with a lot of what you say I find the bolded part quite tragic. Many women don't seem to realize that these financial expectations in relationships put them in the position of a prostitute. Maybe men would actually have more respect for their girlfriends/wives if they were less materialistic and greedy or at least willing and able to make their own money?

Empiree:
Thank you liekiller for giving me oppportunity to contribute on your thread. Very interesting. I dey enjoy am.

It's public and open to all on here, no need to thank me. I'm glad you're enjoying it though