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effty:
Yes, it is scriptural to honour ur dad, mum, nd d elders in ur vicinity. Since it is in ur doctrine, it MUST be scriptural. From my view, u re just a "follow-follow". Meanwhile, Esther must be honoured too cos she prevented d annihilation of d Jews.

You are a leader I knw and maybe that is why you see the word HONOUR as a mighty word. Some pple honour Esther becos they see her as a woman of virtue and that is why they will alwz talk of her story.

snailspeed:
First and foremost, Mary's motherhood ended the day she died. There is nothing like motherhood in heaven. Only idol worship proclaim such. I have already shown you scriptures where God frowned at such doctrine and worship. Jesus said clearly that in heaven, there is neither male nor female. So the suggestion that Jesus still has a mother is both false and ridiculous

Ok. Thank you. The bible does not change,it is the same ages past and ages to come. The bible said mary will conceive and bear a son and his name will be Jesus Christ.

Flav:
Talking about making Heaven. There is only one way an that is through Christ. Mary cannot intercede for to make heaven. So you are even contradicting your belief.

Read John 14:6

Bros abeg follow your belief. Mary can intercede for me and my household

snailspeed:
First, there is nothing like spiritual leaders in Christianity that we are supposed to run to. Those are terms used to create false foundations for false doctrines. Church leaders are administrators, not people who are closer to God more than the rest of us. Many of them might actually be very far from God like we see today and like Jesus acknowledged inthe book of Revelation

Church leaders/administrators are not righteous by their names title or positions. They are just men like everyone one else. They have no special rigtheous status befoe God and God does not regard their prayers more than anyone else. Of course, they have taught you in your denomination to believe otherwise so they can enslave you

Please i'm not enslaved nd my church does not push pple into be enslaved. In james,cannot Remb the chapter say, "is any1 sick,let him visit the priest so oil will be poured on him". I said except otherwise in my last write up, nd it means except you have proves that these religious leaders are not righteous. Please Read James 5:13-18. Thank you.

rev2214:
Yes not ordinary woman, like our Abrvaham, Issac and Jacob.
Yes living being pleading. Maybe you mean intercession.
What we are saying is don't place an idol before you.
I hope you will get more understanding in JESUS name, Amen

I mean intercession when I say plead. The main focus is how to make heaven and enjoy everlasting glory. God help us all. Amen

Ben6ene:
Linusbnn! I am sorry to tell you not to continue ur arguments, u are totally wrong! may God help u to see d truth! Kudos to d guy who opened this thread, God will direct ur path! That is why we need the Holy Spirit for full understanding of God's word because it mysterious!

I had to correct DAT!

Greetings broda. I continue to ride in my path to honour our mama. Cheers

effty:
That means yu made up a graven image bt u will never accept it. Yu worship Mary bt u would say u Honour her. In other words, yu just accepted that all those practices re nt scriptural. May God open our eyes to the Light.

Must it be scriptural to honour some1?. I fear u sha. Honour is given to whom it's due and we studied the life of mary from when she accepted to be the mother of jesus,to the way of the cross and till the death of christ. She deserves our honour and we gave it to her. Even the mother of john the baptist honoured her and her visit to her home.

Flav:
Before you continue. Pls who is th Mother of Jesus and who is the mother of Jesus Christ

The mother of Jesus Christ is Mary.

snailspeed:
How is praying for one another the same thing as running to a priest or pastor? Is your wife not "one another"? Are your friends and neighbours who are Christians not "one another"?

I used that as an example and everybody runs to his/her spiritual leader in difficult time and even in good time for one purpose or the other. They are righteous except proved otherwise

snailspeed:
John 19:25-27King James Version (KJV)

25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.

26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!

27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.


Please where did Jesus call Mary His mother here?

Try and read Good news please,that is the bible I use. Let me ask you this one Questn "Who is the mother of Jesus"?

effty:
The question is where was it specifically stated that u should pray through Mary or honour Mary.

We see her worthy of our intercession. We honour her because she is the mother of our saviour. Is it clear to you now?

snailspeed:
So the priest is the righteous?

And no where were you asked to run to anyone. You are asked to come boldly to God not to run to some priest or pastor. Running to a priest or pastor is a practice that was created to enslave men.

Pray for one another,have you not come across it b4?.

Sanchez01:
The other children of Mary were insignificant to the cause of God. They played no role because they went about their businesses as mere people. Mary did the same. She went about her business as a wife to Joseph and other children, not as the mother of God.

On several occasions, Jesus denied Mary as a mother, not because He hated her, no. But because He unburdened Himself from family ties. He did so two-three times in the New Testament! Mary was and is not the mother of God, biko.

I said why should jesus take total possession of mary if he has other brothers?. John 19:27 say "Then he said to his disciple she is your mother and from that time,the disciple (JOHN) took her to live in his house"

effty:
Hehehehe... That is lobbying

Lobbying is allowed. Bible said the prayer of the righteous is appreciated more. That is why we run to those who we see as priests nd pastors.

snailspeed:
Jesus is God and thats why He rejected Mary as His real mother. Mary was just a vessel he had to use to enter earth. Mary died just like every other human and will be judged in the last day like everone else. Jesus said clearly that he had a different father from Jospeh and didnt even mention Mary as a mother. Jesus created Mary and Mary cannot become the mother of her creator. Does that even make any iota of sense or meaning to you?

Jesus in john 19:25-27 called mary mother,who are you to think otherwise?

snailspeed:
You are talking your personal sentiments, not scriptures. That you feel your physical mother has the right to plead for you to your neighbours doesnt confer on Mary any speacial right to plead for you. There is no where in the bible you are told Mary can or should plead for you. You are told to come boldly to the throne of God (Grace) ad obtain mercy. Not ask someone to plead for you

She displayed her intercession at the marriage feast at cana. Is it not biblical?

snailspeed:
Many is human just like everyone else. Jesus is God from heaven. To claim that a mere woman created by God is now a mother to God is not only ridiculous, it is heretical!

Do you believe jesus is God?

snailspeed:
God has no mother. Thats totally heretical. Once you talk about the mother of God, you have become an idol worshipper who worships semiramis who is also called the queen of heaven. See what God says about those who worship the queen of heaven

Jeremiah 7:16-19King James Version (KJV)

16 Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to me: for I will not hear thee.

17 Seest thou not what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem?

18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.

19 Do they provoke me to anger? saith the Lord: do they not provoke themselves to the confusion of their own faces?

Is jesus God?

effty:
Read Mark 3:31-35

Does that change her from being her mother?. Read John 19:25-27

rev2214:
I believe in heaven, like Abraham, Issac and Jacob

And she cannot plead for u even when a living being can plead for you. Broda try believe that Mary is not just an ordinary woman. She is close to the heart of God and that is why she found favour from God. I believe there were million women during her time. I honour her.

snailspeed:
Jesus Himself denied that Mary as His mother. First, when he was twelve years old, he told both Mary and Joseph that he had to go do His father's will. Obviously referring to a different father. When once Mary and his other brothers came to look for Him and someone informed Him that his mother and brothers were around, He said clearl, "Who is my Mother and brothers? Those who ae listening to me are my mother and brothers".

Again, when he was on the cross, He looked down and saw John and Mary and said to them "Son behold thy mother and mother, behold thy son".

Again, at the upper room, Mary had to wait like every other person to receive the Holy Spirit. There was no special treatment for Mary as mother of Jesus.

What is most heretical though is the term, mother of God. God has no mother. Mother of God is a heathen/pagan title giving to the goddess semiramis or astheroth. It is pure idol worship. Those who call Mary the mother of God also call her the queen of heaven. Heaven has no queen. Jesus even said to us clearly that in heaven, there are no males no females.

Jesus said I and my father are one. If Mary is the mother of jesus,then she is the mother of God. Mary was prepared for the life circle of jesus and thus,she was a fulfilled woman who is worthy of a crown. Whether you like it or not, Mary is our mother and she intercedes. Pple lie down to greet the mother,wife of a president,governor etc.....

rev2214:
Yes, she is mother of JESUS
Yes God chose her and she is blessed among women.
But God did all of that to set man free from looking up to other human in worship.
That is why the blood of JESUS was shed for sins.
And we are free to approach God directly.
And she can't intercede for me because she is not a priest.
Only priest intercede for people.

Where is mary?

rev2214:
The wall of perdition has been removed.
We direct access to God through the Blood shed of JESUS
The ONLY acceptable name before God is JESUS
I was one time President of CYON

If you like be the past pope,it does not make u a Mr.Right. I was an alter server and I went through my catechism with the zeal to know. Mary is the mother of Jesus and she has shown her way of interceding for us as recorded in the marriage feast at CANA. She was reffered to as blessed among women and that she has found favour in the eyes of God by Angel Gabriel. Blessed is the man who is favoured by God. Read through the agony of jesus,his way to the cross and see how fervently she followed up to the death of his son and you feel his son will just abandon her pleads?. May she intercede for you. She is also the Queen of Heaven

Sanchez01:
I'm very conversant with the passage and I've had a lot of persons who tend to justify the "honour" of Mary by referring me to that passage. In verse 4 or so, Jesus referred to the "Holy Mother" as WOMAN, DIRECTLY. There's a template in getting to God and it's through Jesus. There's a template in getting to Jesus Christ and it's through the Holy Spirit. Mary has no business interceding because she is not a deity. She was a human who had long gone. You don't honour the dead. The mother of Jesus Christ you mentioned gave birth to other children. Sorry, she had a man who slept with her and she conceived her other children through sexual means. That is no mark of a deity.

Give me the name of one of the other children of mary. At the cross, jesus handed over Mary to John the beloved and said mother this is your child and child this is your mother,if there are other children of mary,why will jesus take total possession of her in handling her to john?. Please read John 19:25-27.

Muafrika2:
Mary, like other dead prophets, because I sincerely believe she was a prophet, is dead. We do have an intercessor. His name is Christ. So when you pray through Mary, should she also relay the prayer through Christ in whose name we are instructed to pray?

John 14:13 |
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

This applies to all prayers made through beatified catholic "saints."

We ask her to intercede and take our request to his son JESUS who will channel it to God. Mother's request is hardly declined by the good child.

effty:
"Whatever He tells you, do it." Did u read the passage u quoted up to that end?

I didn't say she performed the miracle,but her intercession was what prompted Jesus into performing the miracle. She was address as being blessed among women by Angel Gabriel and pple sees her as a normal woman. If only pple can bear it when their mum is reffered to as common.

Sanchez01:
True, and that is because a lot of people will not just change their minds on what they have been taught from childhood till date. Again to hammer on it, why didn't Christ demonstrate it when He was able to pay tax to Caesar's government? He taught us to pray, to forgive, to give, to intercede for others and even to give towards the work of God, but never made a single teaching on tithing? As big as the New Testament is, there is not a single teaching on tithing. What does this tell us? Unfortunately, some pastors realize this but they will never preach it because it;s like preaching their very own death.

Even the concept of paying tithe in the Old Testament made it known that the Levites, the tribe from Levi are to eat and feast from the people's tithes because God commanded them not to have a land like in the inheritance of Israel every other tribe had. They had no lands, they did not farm and they did not rear cattles. So if the Levites had access to the tithes based on God's instruction, why then did Christ not preach about it in the new phase? Simple, because there are no Levites in our midst again. The Pastor who has a full time job has turned himself to a Levite despite his many landed properties and cars. He cannot preach the truth in this regard because that is his primary source of income.

If we can intercede for one another,why can't we beg for the intercession of Mother of Jesus (MARY)who showed her love for mankind at the wedding feast at CANA? Try and read John 2:1-5.

OreMI22:
PDP has set a bad precedent already by allowing all they allowed.

GEJ should be probed.
Not necessarily because he stole, but to clear his name and reiterate that nobody is above the law.

What about Tinubu and Amaechi who while in office knew that wike stole money and killed pple but kept quiet?

Jimoh33:
Amechi for sure, wike can not dare it.

(1) Is Amaechi on leave?
(2) Why staying in Rivers State till march 19 because of election matter?
(3) Is it dat there is no more work to be done in his ministry?.

Abagworo:
Obiano is rather the one doing what Rochas is being falsely accused of. We all know this truth. Obiano for example saw to the death of IPOB members and is involved in lavish show of uncompleted projects and wastage on media hype. Imo State today is almost leaving other States behind and has overtaken Rivers as the 3rd fastest growing State after Lagos and Abuja.

Everything bad about Okorocha is rather unsubstantiated fabrications by these jealous people.

Please re you in Nigeria?

Abagworo:
When did he run Igbos down? It is easy to accuse falsely. The truth remains that many factors are involved in the hate campaign against Okorocha but the biggest reason is politics of jealousy. His rise and national influence has made him the most prominent Igbo man today and it has not gone down well with the PDP guys who earlier enjoyed that popularity.

Please Imo state needs a working governor who has no influence but always silent with the biafra issue. I so much love Obiano, a man with action and a cautioned tongue unlike Rochas

hrworld:
So why are they attacking him over there? Is it because his in APC? Which governor from the East that has supported IPOB openly? If they keep harassing Okorocha they should know they are disgracing themselves because no matter how they see it, Okorocha is their blood.

Talk wetin you knw. If you cannot support Biafra openly,don't go against it openly as well. Okorocha is not igbo