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Kobojunkie:
▶ Did Jesus Christ say in Revelations 2 that the churches He referred to were built by the hands of men or something? I am not certain I follow your line of reasoning here. Jesus Christ never sent any man out to build anything on His behalf so are you insinuating that the 7 lampstands referenced by the Jesus Christ character in that vision that John wrote of were put there by men on behalf of Jesus Christ?
▶ You asked why Jesus Christ never condemned the churches, and I wonder what book you have been reading since almost all of the letters written to each angel — not to the church itself — contains some sort of reprimand.

Kobojunkie:
1. Um.... Jesus Christ never asked any man to build edifices or even church buildings using His name. He never commanded any man to collect money in His name. So, if you are under the impression that the church of Jesus Christ is some building or building somewhere, you are mistaken. Jesus Christ never built anything through men. He told you that He will build His church. So, the question is why do you not believe Him?

2. Jesus Christ specifically instructed His followers to go out and teach that which He already taught them to obey — His commandments and teachings, not some other person's. So, any "gospel" that differed from that which Jesus Christ taught His followers to speak using His name is a lie!

3. Jesus Christ never asked anyone to assign "church elders" using His name. So, what you see as the apostles assigning "church elders" is something that has nothing to do with Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ made that in His Kingdom, not only are all equal, but
also those of them who love Him are those who obey His teachings and commandments. Nowhere in His Gospel Law of Jesus Christ will you find this assigning of church leaders instruction so why the conclusion that the disciples must have done it for Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ never aligned Himself with religion. He distanced Himself from them beginning with the very one that existed during His time, the same religion which His Father before Him had condemned - Ezekiel 34 vs 1 - 31 & John 10 vs 7 - 16. He condemned the doctrines and traditions of men as being nothing but lies meant to delude the many away from the Truth of God - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13.

But, Christianity boasts of being modeled after the very same religion that Jesus Christ disavowed. Any wonder why it equally boasts of over 47,000 different lies referred to as interpretations all designed to diddle with the mind of those who would seek God's Truth.

Kobojunkie:
Christ never said He builds His own church through His followers. He instead said He would build His own church on this rock.
The fancy interpretation fed to you by your gods of men is just that, a fancy interpretation. Jesus Christ was instead speaking there of Himself, the Rock of ages, and His Church, the one He builds by His own hands and Will/Law.
The rock that is God has never been of men but of God and His Law.

2. I am afraid that the fancy interpretation you have there, of the content expressed in a dream/vision format given to the person of John before the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD, is just that, another fancy interpretation of content instead expressed in dream/vision format. Christianity alone is filled with over 47,000 such fancy interpretations, all of which do not align with Scripture.

Kobojunkie:
2. Jesus Christ never asked His followers to build churches using His name, and He never commanded anyone to attend what you would call church services in His Name. So, while faulting Catholicism, you should equally fault all of Christianity as well as all religions in this too.

Religion has absolutely nothing to do with God of Israel or Jesus Christ given that the many doctrines and traditions of men are lies when compared to the Word of God - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13.

Kobojunkie:
This is a clear example of the problem I mentioned earlier. You fault the Catholics for venerating the dead yet here you are quoting a dead man who has yet to be judged by God. Veneration of the dead isn't just that which the catholic do but even that which all other religions do when they quote a man as though he is some sort of god over them. 😂😂😂😂

immortalcrown:
I have attached the Catholic interpretation of what you posted.

immortalcrown:
You have already confessed that God did not tell you that Catholics are not Christians. So, it is pointless arguing further in that regard. Please, quote exactly any sentence that the Catholics use to pray to Mary.

immortalcrown:
At first, you claimed that Catholics are not Christians. You later admitted that the statement is wrong.

You claimed that God took you away from the Catholic because Catholics are not Christians. You later said that God did not tell you that Catholics are not Christians. This shows that you tried using your sentiment to condemn Catholics.

Now, answer the following questions:
1.
You have said that the Catholic taught you to pray to Mary. Please which Catholic parish or Catholic priest taught you to pray to Mary?

2.
I asked again, what is that teaching of men that the Papacy present to you as God's law?

immortalcrown:
1.
Did God condemn Catholics in your vision? If yes, what exactly did God tell you against them?

2.
What is that teaching of men that the Papacy presents as God's law?

immortalcrown:
[sub][/sub]I carefully read all you wrote here.
1.
No part of it justifies the caption of this thread.

2.
No part of it identifies any teaching of men that the Papacy presents as a law of God.

Watianoengineer:
Some yummy fish

immortalcrown:
whatever you think about the Catholics respecting the Virgin Mary does not matter here. What matters here is that you have not been able to use any bible passage to condemn the act of respecting the Virgin Mary. Therefore, you have no fact against the Catholic Church in this case.

immortalcrown:
What you dropped here proves you wrong and proves me right. Things like baptism and the holy communion mentioned in what you dropped here are not condemned even in Pentecostal Churches and in the holy Bible. What you dropped here, epecially the concluding part, explains that there are Christians in the Roman Catholic Church. That concluding part backs up my claim that the caption of your post is very wrong. If you think it is right for you to refer to Catholics as non-Christians, then you yourself should disagree with the concluding part of what you yourself dropped here for me. You contradict yourself so much when you refer to Catholics and non-Christians and you still believe the article that says that there are Christians in the Catholic.

Also, you are just beating around the bush. You listed seven points out of which the 6th and the 7th ones are based on your sentiments. I countered those 7 points and challenged you to use the Bible to prove me wrong. You are unable to use the Bible to prove me wrong. So what exactly do you intend to achieve?

Point out where the holy Bible says it is wrong for me to ask a friend or a saint to pray for me. Point out where the holy Bible says it is wrong for the Catholic or for anyone to use candle to represent light in the Church. Point out where the Bible says it is wrong to respect anybody or to respect the virgin Mary. Until you do this, you have no fact against the Catholic Church.

immortalcrown:
1.
The Catholic uses candle to signify the presence of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the light of the world. Candle provides light to symbolise the light of Christ. The pure wax is a symbol of the purity of Christ. That's why the Catholic uses white candles. In some cases, they use oil and a white cylindrical container like a candle to provide the light. That is why they don't use another colour of candle. They also use the candle to create an atmosphere for prayer, having used the candle to signify the presence of Jesus Christ. This is what the Catholic doctrine says about the use of candles in the Catholic Church. Any other interpretation you give it is made up by you.

2.
The Catholic never says that whoever goes for the holy Mass while living in sin will go to Heaven. Even whichever Church you have joined now believes that you going to Church takes you closer to salvation. Does your own Church tell you that not going to Church is better than going to Church? So, your point in this case is childish and doesn't deserve much of my time.

3.
"Papal infallibility refers to. It means that when a pope formally defines a matter of church teaching, referring to something of faith or morality, he is protected by the Holy Spirit from teaching error. So whatever he says in this context has no error in it.

It’s important to note what papal infallibility does not mean. It does not mean that popes are sinless; that’s what “immaculate” means (as in “Immaculate Mary”). It doesn’t even mean that when he does teach infallibly, he does so in the clearest manner possible.

It also does not mean that everything a pope teaches is infallible. Again, it applies only when a pope is formally defining a matter of Church teaching. So with regard to Pope Francis’ interview, for instance, that was not a formal definition of Church teaching, and hence is not an instance of papal infallibility."

4.
The Catholics do not ask the saints to save them. They ask the saints to pray (intercede) for them. It is like you asking your friend or your pastor to pray for you. Saints are believed to be closer to God since they are believed to have lived a holy life. That's why the Catholics ask the saints for intercessions. The Bible does not condemns this. Point out any bible verse that condemns it.

5.
You have not pointed out any falsehood in Catholic concerning Mary. Does the Bible tell you that Mary sinned? If yes, which part of the Bible? Mary calling Jesus Christ her saviour is a sign of respect and humility towards Jesus Christ, just as Jesus Christ allowing himself to be baptised by John. Does the baptism of Jesus Christ mean Jesus was a sinner and could not have entered Heaven without the baptism?

Talking about the veneration of Mary, are you saying that the mother of Jesus Christ does not deserve to be respected? Answer this question.

6.
"Chrislam" is not a word in any language and has no meaning. You invented it and have to deal with it alone. How has the Pope disobeyed God? Be precise.

7.
Your assertion about Rome has no connection with the Catholic doctrines we know today. Even the Catholics admit that some of the earlier leaders of the Catholic Church committed some atrocities. So, why do you act as if the Catholics and their doctrines justify those atrocities commited in the Church in the past? Is there any of those atrocities that Catholicism supports? If yes, mention that atrocity and the doctrine that supports it. Your argument here is like saying that northern Christian is not a Christian because his or her parents were Muslims. Your logic here is like saying that the sin of your pastor nullifies the Christianity of every member of your Church. Also, have you not read about Saul accepting Christ after committing atrocities in the Bible? Did Christ reject him? So, if some of those who committed those atrocities in the past in the Catholic repented before dying, are you implying that they can't make Heaven?

immortalcrown:
Kindly mention those catholic doctrines that are not biblically right. Give an explanation for each one you mention.

immortalcrown:
You are not yet a Christian. No Christian will caption a post as you do here. I see that you want to be a Christian but you are still very fanatic and narrow-minded probably because of your environment and your young age. May God help you to successfully become a Christian.

Your caption means you see Catholics as non-Christians. No Christian will say such. As a matter of fact, Catholics do not refer to Orthodox people and Pentecostal people as non-Christians. But you who think you are more Christian than Catholics refer to Catholics as non-Christians. This is why the Bible says that he who thinks he stands should be careful to avoid falling.

AbuZola3:
Kunleosh- if jesus didn't commit suicide then does that mean jesus does not have power over death ?

Christianity nawa

hopefulLandlord:
and what's he gonna do about that? Nothing, I guess

Barrywilly:
It was long overdue. Reigns holding the belt for close to 4 years has made wrestling boring and discouraging to me. Congratulations to cody

achorladey:
He will come back and say keep deceiving yourself since he is the custodian of how the spirits works

MaxInDHouse:
I have replied you that it's a sacred secret among God's people not what we preach outside.
For instance according to God's word Elijah will return to prepare the way for the Christ {Malachi 4:5} but in the first century nobody saw Elijah rather John the baptist was the one who came to prepare the way for Jesus {John 1:23} ironically the Jews came to ask John the baptist if he is Elijah who will prepare the way for the Christ but he responded "NO" {John 1:21} it was after the transfiguration that Jesus declared (not to all the people) but only his closest confidants that John the baptist is Elijah! Matthew 17:10-13

Now tell me how do you think the disciples can go preaching in the public that John the baptist (who publicly said he is not Elijah) is the same Elijah the Jews are expecting?

That's why i said some things are best left as secret within believers it's until one becomes a believer that we will start telling him or her such deep secrets for now whatever we preach publicly is what you and i can debate not things meant for mature minds!

MaxInDHouse:
Did i discuss that with you?

Come on, it's whatever i discuss with you that we can debate on.

For instance if you believe in TRINITY and you are keeping to the dogma as long as you didn't raise it i have no business with whatever they taught you about TRINITY it's between you and your fellow believers but when discussing with me who doesn't believe in your TRINITY if you make reference to it then you must quote where it's found WRITTEN in the Bible.

So i believe that Jesus is Archangel Michael but i never preached it to you because it's a sacred secret among God's modern day servants you and i can only debate on what i present to you not what i was taught to believe!