immortalcrown:
whatever you think about the Catholics respecting the Virgin Mary does not matter here. What matters here is that you have not been able to use any bible passage to condemn the act of respecting the Virgin Mary. Therefore, you have no fact against the Catholic Church in this case.

immortalcrown:
[sub][/sub]I carefully read all you wrote here.
1.
No part of it justifies the caption of this thread.

2.
No part of it identifies any teaching of men that the Papacy presents as a law of God.

Livingdeath:
remember you went against me saying that catholics arent christians,so I gave this testimony to show that they are not,cause if they were doing what a christian church does God would not have brought me out from among them. but then I want to correct myself.
the Catholic church in its traditions is not a christian church but some catholics are actually faithful christians.

immortalcrown:
1.
Did God condemn Catholics in your vision? If yes, what exactly did God tell you against them?

2.
What is that teaching of men that the Papacy presents as God's law?

Livingdeath:
well God didnt condemn them,but when someone reads scripture and knows Christ as he is you will know that their teachings are not in line
the Catholic church tells us to pray to mary,those that sound like something God would say? its just a false tradition. praying to mary is like telling Christ that he isnt all powerful or all loving or all caring. jesus loves you more than anyone does,who else can sacrifice his life for you? mary? so asking mary to pray for you is the same thing as saying she shows mercy more than jesus.she doesnt need to pray for you,Jesus is in charge.did he ever tell us in scripture to pray to his mum? funny thing is Jesus should have joined the woman who blessed mary's womb in blessing too.but he immediately shut down every unecessary honour given to his mother luke 11:27-28
jesus is not disrespecting her or anything but the unknown woman was praising mary for giving birth to him(what catholics do by magnifying her motherhood) instead jesus gives praise to those who hear God's word and keep it,which mary did and all other great men and women of God in the Bible.veneration of Mary is a tradition of men which the church twists to look like it came from God.

Michael547:

😁😁😁you've technically not asked me any question.
You've been asking who gave me right to examine the doctrines of pastors that you've recommended.
That question shows that you don't have answer to my question of if all these pastors are in agreement when it comes to biblical doctrines.

You are saying i dont have right to examine the doctrines of your recommended pastors but you've been examining the teachings of the JWs. Is that not hypocrisy?

FxMasterz:


Michael547, Stop disturbing Mightysparrow. He already knows you force falsehood on your congratulations, that's why he's asking you who made you a judge of pastors' doctrines?

Pastors are humans. They're not God. They can disagree on matters of interpretation. It happened in Acts 15. Paul and Barnabas had disagreements too. One agreement we all have as Christians is that Christ is the Son of God (not an angel) who came to die for man's sins, and resurrected to give us eternal life. He's coming again for His saints to live together with Him for all eternity. That's our common ground.

No pastor forces his doctrines on church members. You can feed on the Word of God from a pastor, you're free to disagree with some things. Ask questions and debate doctrines during Bible studies. Get home and study for yourself. Hold to whatever you know to be the truth. Follow Jesus. Not any man. That's it.

Doctrines don't separate us. We are one in Christ Jesus. It's not doctrines that make us one but Christ.

The Roman Catholics deviate completely from the very foundations of Christian doctrine. That's why the OP sees that they're not Christians. That's a church that worships the queen of heaven - Semiramis (Astaroth) disguised as Mary the mother of Jesus. They worship images.

All those pastors mentioned by Mightysparrow are still brothers in Christ. They fellowship together and have respect for one another even though there might be slight differences in doctrines.

Jesus is the basis for our oneness. Not doctrines.

FxMasterz:


Michael547, Stop disturbing Mightysparrow. He already knows you force falsehood on your congratulations, that's why he's asking you who made you a judge of pastors' doctrines?

Michael547:

Was the disagreement that Paul and Barnabas had a biblical doctrinal disagreements?
If yes, what was the doctrinal matter about?

immortalcrown:
At first, you claimed that Catholics are not Christians. You later admitted that the statement is wrong.

You claimed that God took you away from the Catholic because Catholics are not Christians. You later said that God did not tell you that Catholics are not Christians. This shows that you tried using your sentiment to condemn Catholics.

Now, answer the following questions:
1.
You have said that the Catholic taught you to pray to Mary. Please which Catholic parish or Catholic priest taught you to pray to Mary?

2.
I asked again, what is that teaching of men that the Papacy present to you as God's law?

Livingdeath:
God took me from the church because the "Catholic church" is not a christian church.but now within the catholic church there are some of them who are actually christians who dont follow in their false teachings but hold only the teaching that christ is the Saviour.
and please, every catholic church prays to mary and the saints. If you are praying your rosary,do you say it is a 'prayer with mary'? dont you say 'prayer to mary'? just like the prayer 'to' st michael the archangel? so its a norm for catholics to pray to her,even more blasphemous of the Catholic church is when st alfonso de ligouri wrote a book called the "Glories of Mary" a famous catholic book in which he stated that we should pray to Mary as a mediator and look to her as an object of trust for answered prayers and that she rules one half of God's kingdom,she rules the kingdom of mercy while Jesus rules justice(limiting christ)
and also there is not just one teaching that the Catholic church wants you to see as divine revelation,there are numerous. like the veneration of Mary,confession to a priest,baptism of infants,eucharist being the true body and blood of christ. none of these have 'solid' roots in scripture.

immortalcrown:
You have already confessed that God did not tell you that Catholics are not Christians. So, it is pointless arguing further in that regard. Please, quote exactly any sentence that the Catholics use to pray to Mary.

Michael547:

Was the disagreement that Paul and Barnabas had a biblical doctrinal disagreements?
If yes, what was the doctrinal matter about?

Michael547:

Lol...so you mean answering if your recommended pastors are in agreement biblically is now a problem?
Well......just goes to show that you are not still sure of what you are doing.

MightySparrow:


Okay.

You that you are sure, tell us what you know about these pastors and their teachings.

Be honest please.

I am hammering on honesty.

Livingdeath:

Aemmyjah:



Oga
Answer simple question
Is their teachings or doctrine in agreement?
Yes or No?

Livingdeath:
1. long process of exorcism: catholic priests use candles,rosaries,relics,holy water and the likes just to cast out demons where as the apostles did so in his name alone.

Livingdeath:
2. salvation through the church: the Catholic church teaches that coming to mass,going for confession etc and other 'works' of charity is what will save you where as the bible teaches faith in jesus is what will save

Livingdeath:
3. the infallibility of the pope: only God is infallible,then why is the pope claiming that for himself? anyone who says he is not a sinner calls God a liar .

Livingdeath:
4.asking intercession from the dead in christ: hebrews 4:14-16 tells us that we have christ as our perfect high priest,the Bible tells us that he along with the Spirit intercedes on our behalf...then why do we need the 'saints'?they cant even hear you. and the dead should not be interferring with the living. Abraham explains that the people have the prophets to guide them not some dead guy luke 16:27-29

MightySparrow:


Okay.

You that you are sure, tell us what you know about these pastors and their teachings.

Be honest please.

I am hammering on honesty.

FxMasterz:


The disagreement Paul and Barnabas had was not doctrinal but they had a disagreement. That's the point. There could be disagreements. That doesn't dissolve the oneness of Christ's body.

The disagreement recorded in Acts 15 was doctrinal. Why did you avoid talking about this?

Livingdeath:
5.the eternal virginity and veneration of Mary: Mary doesnt deserve all what catholics do to her.wait now and think,imagine if the actual Mary we know from the bible suddenly comes to our modern world and sees all the statues and rosaries,she will never accept such! her Magnificat tells us who she was. a lowly servant of God thriving to do God's will and she acknowledged herself as a sinner by calling God her savior. catholics twist the Bible too much,it is so clear that Mary had other kids apart from jesus,then why he marry her in the first place? matthew 1:25

immortalcrown:
I have attached the Catholic interpretation of what you posted.

Livingdeath:
[b] 7.the Vatican: [/b]nothing good comes from Rome! that evil empire who is the fourth beast in Daniel's book,who captured God's people and forced them to pay taxes?who attempted to kill baby jesus?who killed john the baptist?who crucified the Lord?who persecuted the apostles and believers?who slayed a number of christians in the year 1555 to 1559 by a pope?
I cannot go back to catholic church,i have seen their dark secrets,these stuffs I listed are just few of false catholic teaching. I dont want to go to hell ooo.

MightySparrow:


What has that to do with issue of dishonesty raised


Are you afraid of being honest?

Livingdeath:
6.Chrislam: mr pope has disobeyed the Bible. paul warned against christians being influenced by pagan religions 2 corinthians 6:14-18

Livingdeath:
that is where the Catholic church finds fault,the answer you gave said you guys love her because she is God's mother-totally against luke 11:27-28 where Jesus states that blessed are those that hear God's word and keep it,meaning Jesus puts Mary's obedience to God over her birthing him as being worthy of praise. so then with it being established that God valued Mary's obedience over her being his son's mother,why should she then be given so much honour? all the men of God in the Bible obeyed God,so why dont we build their statues? or sing praises to them?or pray to them?or make rosaries for them. another thing is,why did they call Mary most gracious advocate? they are literally stealing the Holy spirit's post!

Kobojunkie:
This is a clear example of the problem I mentioned earlier. You fault the Catholics for venerating the dead yet here you are quoting a dead man who has yet to be judged by God. Veneration of the dead isn't just that which the catholic do but even that which all other religions do when they quote a man as though he is some sort of god over them. 😂😂😂😂

Michael547:

Was the doctrinal disagreement in Acts 15 later resolved? Or was it left to everyone to decide what they will believe independently?