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He is truly an ODE.....

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No wailing o!

am not following this any longer, imagine!

IamAtikulate:
Like Ifeanyi David Adeleke?

Don't be surprised when you hear the that he has abandoned his Igbo name. I wouldn't because he would not be the first.

AreaFada2:
I agree with bolded above.

But Ami ohun can still be simplified further.
However, in a region where literacy easily gained ground using Latin script, a new script will be a tall order to adopt.

This would have been more useful a few hundred years ago. It it began in Oyo, Ife or some major part of Yorubaland and spread across overtime.

That's why Sanskrit, Perso-Arabic and other ancient writing systems have endured in many languages that adopted them. They work seamlessly alongside new Latin or other writing system later introduced.

But I still see its usefulness long term.

Usefulness of the alphabets above? If we are to make those alphabets useful, we all have to really do alot of work on integrating it with the modern systems. Like you said if this had been available like 100 years ago, we might be writing in it now.

By making Yoruba language simpler, I meant anything but the Ami ohun. Even if the new alphabets are Latin I wouldn't mind. With the present alphabets, even Yoruba journalists get the pronounciation of words wrongly, talkless ordinary speakers.

AreaFada2:
Serbian, Kazakh, Punjabi, Marathi and several others use it. It's called diagraphia. Syn-chronic diagraphia sinced used alongside each other.

Konkani even has three scripts or so.

True, it will complicate learning. But It should first be used by academics. Certainly anyone who wants to become a Yoruba teacher has to learn it. In ten years there will be enough teachers to roll it out in schools.

But right now some people are switching to the simpler Latin script. Kazakh will move almost entirely to Latin script before this decade runs out.

Korea simplified its script artificially/synthetically back in 1440s. Just imagined what it was like before simplification!
But at least Korean is not even in Top 5 most difficult languages to learn anymore. Chinese Mandarin takes the biscuit easily.

Am of the opinion that Ami ohun is complicating the Yoruba language. Hausa language is widely used for writing because it has a simpler writing format. I think, Yoruba language needs a simpler form of writing that would do away with the Ami ohun, so readers can easily pick the meaning of the word at sight.

Yoruba language should be easily written by it speakers, then one day science would be taught in it.

AreaFada2:
Very interesting. Many languages already have dual alphabet system like some Balkan languages in Latin and Cyrillic scripts.

Hmm, I didn't know that. But adopting this new alphabets would not be easy in this mordern world because we would have to create alot of things like computer keyboards for it.

Thank you, bigfrancis21 or the mod that brought this back.

Cc MetaPhysical Tao11 lawani firestarter olu317 areafada2

Beremx:
Beautiful write up. The history of Lagos is vast.

My problem with these historical facts is that why isn’t it taught in schools? Not only history of Lagos but Nigeria as a whole. I got to find out recently that history is no longer taught in schools? This is sad

The military men had so much to hide, hence the removal and they felt we all have too much dark history (before the English) that a lot of us can't handle.

Frenchkiss564:
There used to be a thread on lagos property owners compiled from lagos state government data.

The thread indeed showed that contrary to popular myth the Yorubas owned about 75% of landed properties in Lagos.

I wish I can lay hands on the thread.

Don't you know sakamangay? Please don't look for the thread -- allow them continue massaging their ego. We are happy to be tenants on our land.

MetaPhysical

Let me stop here for now. I cannot upload the entire history of Lagos on Nairaland...I won't have anything to earn when my book is published. grin

At quoted, no wonder! Weldone, sir.

MetaPhysical:
Im surprised it was not appealed to UN.

The bigger picture, Akeredolu should win that state so that he can hold it down for the Yoruba presidential candidate of 2023.

As regard the marriage, how else would you assimilate the foreigners in Yorubaland? We have to marry these people, but am sure their children would be Yorubanized, so it is still a win for the Yoruba people and culture.

Written by Adéṣínà Ọmọ Yoòbá

Chief Tolúlàṣẹ Ògúntósìn stands next to the paramount king of Yorùbáland, the Ọọ̀ni of Ifẹ̀, seated. Photo courtesy of Chief Ògúntósìn.

In the wake of the International Year of Indigenous Languages in 2019 and the International Decade of Indigenous Languages 2022-2032, many Africans have started to take a wide range of actions to advance African languages.

Writing the Yorùbá language in the borrowed Latin script may soon become a thing of the past as one Yorùbá man, Chief Tolúlàṣẹ Ògúntósìn, based in Benin, West Africa, has invented a writing system to encode the Yorùbá language.


The newly invented Yorùbá alphabet is making waves in the hopes that it could replace Latin script used for over 100 years.

The distinct alphabet came to him through divine inspiration in his dreams, according to Chief Ògúntósìn in a Whatsapp interview with Global Voices. He now travels across Yorùbáland — spanning Benin to Nigeria — to promote his “talking alphabet” as sent to him by his ancestors.

Chief Ògúntósìn believes that this alphabet was used by Odùduwà, the father of the Yorùbá people, in ancient times — but was lost. There are 25 symbols in all.

African linguists assert that if Africa is to grow, it must have its own orthographies or writing systems. A civilized and ancient Niger-Congo language like Yorùbá should not rely on a borrowed orthography to encode its thoughts and philosophy.

Read more: Yorùbá loanwords: How languages evolve
In 1843, Reverend Samuel Àjàyí Crowther of the Christian Missionary Society developed the Yorùbá orthography by adopting Latin script with diacritics — or accent marks. Ever since, thousands of books have been published in Yorùbá using Latin script instead of Ajami, an Arabic script used before 1843 to write in West African Indigenous languages such as Yorùbá and Hausa.

Some language advocates contend that using Latin, a foreign script, to encode African languages, keeps the continent in an enslaved mindset.

Instilling this new writing system follows a history of ancient writing systems in Africa, like Egyptian hieroglyphics, the Adrinka collection of the Akan tribe of Ghana, Ethiopian Ge'ez, the Nsibidi ideographic script of West Central Africa which date back to 5000 BC, as well as Vai alphabet scripts are of African origin.

Divining a ‘talking alphabet’
Global Voices Yorùbá Lingua Manager Ọmọ Yoòbá interviewed Chief Ògúntósìn, via WhatsApp voice note messaging, to learn more about how he discovered this new alphabet.

Chief Ògúntósìn, now 43, explained that after the demise of his father in 1997, he had to care for his siblings as the oldest son and could not further his education after completing secondary school.

However, as a Yorùbá chief, he focused his cultural work on uniting the seven grandchildren of Odùduwa, serving as a mediator. As his cultural integration work progressed, however, he wanted to achieve more.

In 2011, he approached a babaláwo or “diviner” of Ifa, the Yorùbá god of wisdom. The diviner, Olókun Awópẹ̀tu, told him to visit his ancestral shrine within the Farasinmi community in Badagry, Lagos State, Nigeria, and to take whatever he came into contact with at the shrine.

There, he found a “strange object” that he took with him back to Porto-Novo, Benin. When he arrived, the house was completely dark. With no light bulbs in the living room, he usually relied on light emitted from the rays of the TV screen. He placed the object on the table and switched on the TV, only to discover, surprisingly, that the object he placed on the table had disappeared. He turned the entire room upside down and finally found it in a corner of the house.

That night, he slept with the object under his pillow. He told Global Voices:

… I had a dream that I visited the sun. When I got to the sun, it was dark and I was shown the alphabet in the form of lightning. Every time I slept, I had similar dreams, going from planet to planet, teaching people how to use the script…

For three years, he kept dreaming about the alphabet, seeing visions consecutively, yet he did nothing about it.

This time around, in 2016, I went to the sun again, I met a man, Lámúrúdu, who taught me the sound of the alphabet, he afterward sanctioned me to go all over the globe teaching people the mastery of the symbols. I usually look old in my dreams — and tired — when I wake up from sleep.

Things started to become scary for Chief Ògúntósìn — he began to feel weak, he told Global Voices. He decided to narrate his dreams to a close spiritual adviser, Oníkòyí, king of Àjàṣẹ́ in Port-Novo, who counseled him to do what he was instructed in his dreams.

For this reason, he now travels from place to place in Yorùbáland to pass on his knowledge of the Odùduwà alphabet.

The following is a short video of teachers instructing students how to write the Odùduwà alphabet in a Benin classroom:



Promoting theYorùbá alphabet
In 2017, Chief Ògúntósìn, in the company of prominent traditional rulers in Yorùbáland and the diaspora, paid a visit to Rauf Arẹ́gbẹ́ṣọlá, the one-time governor of Nigeria’s Ọ̀ṣun State, in Òṣogbo, the state capital, to solicit support for his newly found Odùduwà alphabet. Arẹ́gbẹ́ṣọlá now serves as the Minister of the Federal Ministry of Interior of Nigeria.


A reminder letter was sent to the governor of Osun state after promises made to teach the new alphabet have gone unfulfilled.

Three years later, regrettably, verbal promises made by former governor Arẹ́gbẹ́ṣọlá to teach the discovered alphabet in elementary schools across southwest Nigeria have gone unfulfilled.

In a bid to make the Odùduwà alphabet popular, Chief Ògúntósìn has written a book and produced a documentary on the orthography — with snippets uploaded on the internet for public viewing — as well as an abandoned cartoon project which did not see the light of day due to lack of funds.

Chief Ògúntósìn also uses YouTube, WhatsApp and Facebook Groups: “Ẹ̀kọ́ Aèébàèjìogbè Odùduwà” and “Odùduwà Alphabets” to promote and teach interested language learners.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPqFyeK4HJQ

He calls on all stakeholders to support the promotion of his linguistic discovery that will checkmate Western writing culture and give the Yorùbá people their deserved identity in terms of language development.

A kind-hearted Yorùbá man, Sunday Adéníyì, supported the cause by printing 1,000 copies of the “Aèébàèjìogbè Odùduwà Alphabets” exercise book for primary school pupils.

Read more: Lost in translation: Why Google Translate often gets Yorùbá — and other languages — wrong
Copies of the educational pamphlets were printed in Igbo, Hausa, English, and French languages respectively. However, more support is crucial to disseminate the alphabet to a wider audience.

The Odùduwà alphabet is a welcome development. Nevertheless, the shift from writing in Latin to the new system will be a major challenge.

That said, the Odùduwà alphabet is a great step in the right direction toward the development and growth of the Yorùbá language — in what Yorùbá people will call their own.

https://globalvoices.org/2020/03/10/this-chief-hopes-yoruba-speakers-adopt-his-newly-invented-talking-alphabet/

Oghene1st:
Hahaha where was the meeting held in Warri? Okay of Itsekiri for use thugs in una.

Read the op again, maybe you would understand it now!

Oghene1st:
I will edit this in Wikipedia straight up. Rubbish.

You should have stopped the meeting in Warri first and remove the Olu of Warri too, before stressing yourself on the internet.

Seerade029:
The last time I check.
From my research using Wikipedia, here are the owners of the most popular media groups in Nigeria.
1. NTA: Nigerian Government
2. Channels TV: owner from Edo State
3. TVC: owned by Yoruba man
4. AIT: owner from Edo State
5. Silverbird: owner from Bayelsa State
6. Daily Trust: owned by northerners from sokoto State
7. Nigeria Tribune: Owned by a Yoruba group
8. The Punch: Owned by Yoruba man
9. This Day: Owned by an Igbo woman
10. The Sun: Owned by an Igbo group
11. Vanguard: Owner was from Delta State
12. Guardian: Owner from Delta State


cc: metaphysical
Nah even media from South south dey destroyed them

Ilakes4real

Daily trust is a Muric newspaper � !!! Weldone with the research. But, if you like print out the CAC certificates of those companies, that would not stop a Brooklynsouth from believing what he believes. It is human nature to lie to oneself when we feel things don't go out way.

How can Yoruba people/media convince a group of clan/tribe that they are no Igbos? Why would anyone even want anything to do with someone who rejects them? Rejection should be mutual, because no one has a monopoly of it! That's why I love the stance of Igboid -- attach by force by fire is disaster waiting to happen. These people would eventually blame you if any little thing go wrong.

Brooklynsouth:
but you people don't want igbo tribes in south south to join their brothers but you want Ilorin back see youruba allow Kwara be and don't foment trouble there

Are these guys not the people rejecting you? What kind of power do you think Yoruba people have, anyway?

skylarr:
What’s the relevance of the recognition? Are Yoruba apex leaders being recognised in the east too

We have to act as the big brother!

Osaze007:
I apologize I’m not trying to divide
I’m just saying what I see

You are not seeing anything! It is a problem extremism and politicking. Do you think a Muslim like Bukola Saraki is an extremist? The man married a Christian wife (you should learn this from people like him). He keeps playing on the side of the emir because he wants favour from those he feels are the most powerful in the country, and not because he his some extraordinary Muslim. Study things properly before jumping to conclusions.

One thing you should learn is that, Religious extremism wouldn't take you anywhere in Yorubaland! Everyone is merged into each other. Imagine being born in a family where your Father practice Yoruba religion, your mom is a Christian, and your best uncle is a Muslim. What can anyone tell you against your people's religion?

Take a look at the last election in Oyo state and see for yourself our Yorubas think. I would argue that that Oyo state is predominantly Muslim (I haven't carried out any survey, just a calculated guess). Seyi Makinde, whose religion I don't know (I won't assume he is a Christian!) beat his opponent who trying to play the religious card (the APC man was campaigning with a Muslim middle name). Mind you the incumbent governor was Muslim in public (this is very important in Yorubaland ), but his wife is a Christian!

David Bamigboye might not have been a Christian as you assumed -- bearing an English name doesn't mean you're a Christian.

MetaPhysical:
You are not interested in true solution for the people. Your interest is foisting christianity.

A true seeker of solution does not speak the way you just did.

You have not made any point worth reinforcing.

He is also as guilty as those he keeps accusing of religious extremism.

Osaze007:
Some of the yorubas are even saying only a Muslim can be ruling Kwara but the same Muslims want to rule in majority Christain states such as Lagos Ogun ondo Ekiti kogi yorubas loooool

Ultra-religious people like you are minorities in the SW, so religion politics can't guarantee victory for anyone. Where and when did you conduct your survey to know the population of Christians as other beliefs in the SW? Anyone relying on am a Muslim or a Christian who lose out, because there are so many people who are educated enough to see them for the scam that they are. One thing I know works is party politics and "victimhood" (Yoruba people like supporting "the bullied" ). Play the victim of an oppressor and see how people would troop to your side.

MetaPhysical

Thank you for sharing that information with me.

Ritchiee:
I don't why you are all saying this.The problem was the godfather of Kwara politics.The senior and junior who has been cut down now.
They have done everything to portray Kwara especially Ilorin as a Gambari state.

It is because Saraki does not have influence like before that I think anything that will bring real growth can be done.
This emir in Ilorin will be the last.

I share your optimism, sir/ma! I personally don't like what I see in Kwara state. Minorities shouldn't be lording over us there. It irritates me to read that Yoruba kings are wailing about the injustice that a backstabbing throne does to them.

MetaPhysical

A legislation in the state's house of assembly should stop the back and forth. A willing governor sends a bill to the house of assembly and assist it to be passed, he then signs it into law. Overturning this would be an herculean task for any subsequent government.

Osaze007

The problem is not religious! There are lots of liberal muslims and muslims who don't like status quo in Ilorin, but lack political will from the successive governors in Kwara state. Getting a Christian governor in Kwara is close to impossible for now, and even if one manages to get there, would he want to risk rocking the boat? The military men were in a better position to change things. This their governor would even be more scared of doing the right thing, because he knows a Bukola Saraki is on his tail.

One thing am certain of is that the breakup of Nigeria would fix things. Fulani people would then be dished their own poison. They have amassed so many enemies, to the extent that in some west African countries, they are either killed on sight or arrested.