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I belief in God, because I have too, otherwise I would be barnished to hell. I was created for a reason, and I have a guide that promises renumerations. So my belief in God is brought about by the belief in the message he sent to man of which he tells man his purpose and mentions his existence. I accept my duty and I am working towards achieving my purpose

The choice is mine

Ah promise me that you would answer me after I give my reason as to why I believe in God?

I still havent got a reason.

Someone might say, I believe in God because I do not want to go to hell.
Another might say, I believe in God because his son died for me and blah blah blah.
Another person might say I believe in God because he created me to worship him, I am his slave and I have no choice.

But you seem to be avoiding to give me a simple one sentence answer, I believe in God because? Let me hear you friends

I want to see why you have faith, because sometimes we think we are quite ok with our faith when we actually are not

Please answer my question. Why do you believe in GOD?

@TayoD and mlks_baby

Why do you worship God? I am asking for a reason?

@Reverend

Still waiting for those Refrences . I know you hate muslims, but nevertheless it would be great if you provide the chapters and verses. That would be helpful. THanks. Dont deviate

Yeah you are right. To err is human

Beleif can stand on its own

You belief for a reason -> You don't want to be banished to hell,

You have faith for a reason -> Emotions dispelled because of the crucifixion ? Or maybe you are afraid of hell (Do yo know that if there was no Crucifixition, Christianity wont exist today? The idea of someone dying for me and for my sins?)

God is fair, and wont want me to be a victim of someones sins, God does not make his creations scape goats.

Faith is blind because you can't explain somethings, you become very illogical, if your belief is based on faith. But if your belief is based on human gift (logic), you are assured that no matter what, you can always use that as a leverage in the day of reckoning, God is Just.

The Quran is different from Hadith The Quran is revelation, The Hadith is Account

1400 years ago, there were no Arabic version of the bible Or what did you mean? Please expantiate

As I said we belief in the actual bible, but not of which is available today, it is polluted. We belief in the real Old testament (zabur) the real New Testament (Injil), but not the stuff today,

Bible is not exactly the word of God, its the account made by men of God of the past, example is the Old testament which was actually supposed to be the recordings of Moses, but in the so called bible today you find fragments of things that does not show that it is a recording during moses period. Anyway that is that.

Thats why in the bible, you would never find "According to God" you would find "According to Someone" rather.

@Ajisafe, cool down now, besides what the hec are you talking about? What he quoted is not a Quranic verse, he is still yet to provide the verse and chapter

Now the issue is that Muslims don't buy the idea of the trinity concept, we don't think it is logical.

We have to believe in the prophets, One God, and the message besides other things

@mlks_baby
Ah, you are a convert Well God created logic for a reason, faith is blind, me thinks.

If for example my faith is of the devil, God wouldnt tolerate such an ignorance in the day of reckoning . God would question you according to what he has gifted you with. God is fair,

Thats more the reason why we muslims tend to believe in the original Bible not the polluted one of today. We believe that the first bible was Original, but that which is available today is polluted, Thats the muslim belief.

The God of the Jehova witness that has no trinity concept that is, Or which Jehova? The three in one?

Besides in this verse it is said that you should dispute only in the condition of which when the people of the book claim that our God is the same three in one God, in which they believe in.

[quote author=mlks_baby link=topic=3271.msg349120#msg349120 date=1147279326]Call me anything you like, from kufar to whatever: I've heard worse and it hasn't changed my skin colour nor affected the pirice of fish in the market. The low thinking and prejudices of guys like you was why I turned my back forever on Islam! It's a closed system that allows nobody to think for themselves, and you're acting it here.[/quote]Are you sure? I taught Christianity is based on faith not logic?

Besides its a good thing to know the meaning of a word, before assuming Kufar means unbeliver in the preachings of Islam.

I would like to tackle Reverends post first.
@ Reverend
The verses below are not verses from the Quran? I see no Quran verse something chapter something? Please provide the refrences, so that we can see whether it is really true, what you claim.

· QuranKoran : Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ?

· Quran-Koran0: He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYS…

· Quran-41:Korano He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days and …

TayoD I am waiting for your logical explanation on why the Quran is not the word of God.

Reihad bonkee?? And you say it out with confidence? I taught he was one of the Scamming Pastors? (Dont mind me, Opinion)

Bibles are readily available in Islamic libraries, so friend I don't know what you are talking about. I have gone to many middle-eastern countries and I tell you, they have no problem with reading the bible, infact some Muslim organisations encourage them. Example Saba Media, IPCI to name a few.

Riot issue again, TayoD, (whats up?). Be a yoruba or Ibo muslim in the north during the 1992 riot and tell me the Almajiri would spare your life. Have you ever pondered why the Southern muslims don't cause riots? Or muslims in Europe or the USA?

In Islam it is a sin not to get educated for example, but how many of this spit fires, have education?

Its preety simple, you can only attest that someone really is of Islam, if he is peaceful, If he is not, then he is not of Islam,

I do agree that some muslims might be violent, but nevertheless we shouldnt just throw a blanket and deduce that the religion itself is evil. Sometimes people don't really uphold what they preach, so does a lot of Pastors in Nigeria that enrich their life from material gains through their congregation. Are they of christ?

I guess you would say only God can judge them, why not apply the same in the case of muslims and questions its preachings rather, not assume

@larger_20

You are the same person going forth and back. Saying things like deviations with refrence to my post. I didnt throw a fist at anyone, so I dont know where you derived your idea of "fighting" from, but maybe you are worried about the way I lay down logical points, did I threaten you?

[quote author=larger_20 link=topic=11342.msg348961#msg348961 date=1147275471]Pointing on who said it without any concrete infrigndment is not profesionl, Just a personal opinion. we r not here to fight. U have the right to accept or not,[/quote]Practice what you preach, dont pick on me, let me be.

Why the Quran is Gods word?

1. The content can be logically understood if given an open mind.

2. The science of it, imagine a book wrote 1400+ years ago(if not a revelation from God) and has things to attest to some scientific findings of today?

One example:

Embryology
Statements referring to human reproduction and development are scattered throughout the Qur'an. It is only recently that the scientific meaning of some of these verses has been appreciated fully.


"He makes you in the wombs of your mothers in stages, one after another, in three veils of darkness."

This statement is from Sura 39:6. We do not know when it was realized that human beings underwent development in the uterus (womb), but the first known illustration of a fetus in the uterus was drawn by Leonardo da Vinci in the 15th century. In the 2nd century A.D., Galen described the placenta and fetal membranes in his book "On The Formation of the Foetus." Consequently, doctors in the 7th century A.D. likely knew that the human embryo developed in the uterus. It is unlikely that they knew that it developed in stages, even though Aristotle had described the stages of development of the chick embryo in the 4th century B.C. The realization that the human embryo develops in stages was not discussed and illustrated until the 15th century.

"Then We placed him as a drop in a place of rest."
This statement is from Sura 23:13. The drop or nutfah has been interpreted as the sperm or spermatozoon, but a more meaningful interpretation would be the zygote which divides to form a blastocyst which is implanted in the uterus ("a place of rest". This interpretation is supported by another verse in the Qur'an which states that "a human being is created from a mixed drop." The zygote forms by the union of a mixture of the sperm and the ovum ("The mixed drop".


"Then We made the drop into a leech-like structure."
This statement is from Sura 23:14. The word "alaqah" [/b]refers to a leech or bloodsucker. This is an appropriate description of the human embryo from days 7-24 when it clings to the endometrium of the uterus, in the same way that a leech clings to the skin. Just as the leech derives blood from the host, the human embryo derives blood from the decidua or pregnant endometrium. It is remarkable how much the embryo of 23-24 days resembles a leech (Fig. 2). As there were no microscopes or lenses available in the 7th century, doctors would not have known that the human embryo had this leech-like appearance. In the early part of the fourth week, the embryo is just visible to the unaided eye because it is smaller than a kernel of wheat.

[b] "Then of that leech-like structure, We made a chewed lump."
This statement is also from Sura 23:14. The Arabic word "mudghah" means "chewed substance or chewed lump." Toward the end of the fourth week, the human embryo looks somewhat like a chewed lump of flesh (Fig. 3). The chewed appearance results from the somites which resemble teeth marks. The somites represent the beginnings or primordia of the vertebrae.
"Then We made out of the chewed lump, bones, and clothed the bones in flesh."

This continuation of Sura 23:14 [/b]indicates that out of the chewed lump stage, bones and muscles form. This is in accordance with embryological development. First the bones form as cartilage models and then the muscles (flesh) develop around them from the somatic mesoderm.

[b] "Then We developed out of it another creature."
This next part of Sura 23:14 [/b]implies that the bones and muscles result in the formation of another creature. This may refer to the human-like embryo that forms by the end of the eighth week. At this stage it has distinctive human characteristics and possesses the primordia of all the internal and external organs and parts. After the eighth week, the human embryo is called a fetus. This may be the new creature to which the verse refers.

[b]"And He gave you hearing and sight and feeling and understanding."
This part of[b] Sura 32:9 [/b]indicates that the special senses of hearing, seeing, and feeling develop in this order, which is true. The primordia of the internal ears appear before the beginning of the eyes, and the brain (the site of understanding) differentiates last.

"Then out of a piece of chewed flesh, partly formed and partly unformed."
This part of Sura 22:5 seems to indicate that the embryo is composed of both differentiated and undifferentiated tissues. For example, when the cartilage bones are differentiated, the embryonic connective tissue or mesenchyme around them is undifferentiated. It later differentiates into the muscles and ligaments attached to the bones.

"And We cause whom We will to rest in the wombs for an appointed term."
This next part of [b]Sura 22:5 [/b]seems to imply that God determines which embryos will remain in the uterus until full term. It is well known that many embryos abort during the first month of development, and that only about 30% of zygotes that form, develop into fetuses that survive until birth. This verse has also been interpreted to mean that God determines whether the embryo will develop into a boy or girl.

The interpretation of the verses in the Qur'an referring to human development would not have been possible in the 7th century A.D., or even a hundred years ago. We can interpret them now because the science of modern Embryology affords us new understanding. Undoubtedly there are other verses in the Qur'an related to human development that will be understood in the future as our knowledge increases.

Forgive me for my deviation and I know this is very logical.

TayoD:
So what sort of fight will make others pay you taxes even if they don't want to? And what sort of fight will make them feel subdued?

We can say leadership based on Democracy. If you live in the USA, you would know better to pay your taxes. Or you would call that a willingly acceptable tax payment? Then why do people fight hard to evade?

TayoD:
I find out that moslems don't question their faith and are much more intolerant as Christians. But this intolerance doesn't make them right.

Didnt know that, I taught muslims where actually the ones always curious to know . Anywayz it is all good.

hmm let me say something about the certain way some people, tend to take things. You can't use an unacknowledged refrence to explain things to someone who doesnt belief in it.

Christians belief is based on faith, not necessarily proveable facts and thus that explains the reason why all their arguments sometimes would come with quotes from the book you don't acknowledge.

It is best, not to argue in regards, except just lay down your opinion and thats that. Is Bible God's word? Yes or No, and do explain. Attack points with points of relevance and widely acceptable ethics. Not just raise points that can be only accepted by those who believe based on faith.

That is the only way you can reach to a very interesting compromise based on a widely acceptable understanding of things in general.

In Genesis, God created man in his own image. Does this mean that God is a male? What do you think?

I didnt see, according to the "bible", what do you think? Maybe you might want to ammend that

Is the thread about the bible? Thats not stated? So what are you saying?

Oh my reason for saying that was its simple. Based on the revelations of the book I firmly believe in, which I believe comes from God, its stated clearly that he has no gender.

Gender only comes into question when there is pro-creation I think? When you tend to look at what God qualifies as that certain process is not required because of his associative power, and thus such conclusion can be reached that he does not need to have that part of human that indicates a difference.

God has no gender. I mean my God. He begets nor was he begotten.

Please Belloti calm down.
TayoD, all the approved translators of the Quran are accepted by all muslims unlike the bible, I guess you didnt know that. The difference is just the use of the english word, Pickthall for example was british and Yusuf Ali was Indian.

Your other post are deviating from the topic at hand but nevertheless I would pick and answer the ones of relevance.

When your Qu'ran says that you should "fight, until a group of people become subdued" do you really think it's talking about evangelism? Don't insult our intelligence. there is nothing within the context or post-text of that verse that suggests anything but a armed conflict, at least that is what your Prophet practised too.

When we say something like "fight for a cause" and thereafter in that same sentence we describe it do we necessarily mean violence. As i said in every language there is two to three meanings for a single word and so is classical arabic for the word Jihad, and thus applies.

Quran was compiled based on recorded revelations during the lifespan of the prophet, for your clarification. Every single translation that is approved, is accepted by every muslim and hence as i mentioned before although I didnt know the translator , the translation is cool with me.

On the issue of destiny in Islam, it is different from christianities interpretation of destiny. I tackled that in one of the threads here, you might want to read my explanation.

Besides you choose to avoid my point which point towards the interpretation of a word based on the circumstances and having two different meanings. The time frame is recorded and hence used if explanation is needed for use of a particular subject.

Since when fighting for a cause became necessarily violent and thus indicate murders and killings of innocent people?

If I say fight a war, that might indicate violence, but if i say fight for a cause, with conditions explained, that does not necessarily mean violence. Or you dont agree?

Then why the mention?

mrlawng:
@me,myself

Please read the other threads on islam and see how[b] "logical"[/b], "Ajisafe" and other muslims on this forum have attacked my person and my parents intstead of the issue. Even if they attack Jesus it is their opinion and I will respect that.

its translated from the word Jihad. Jihad is used many times in the Quraan and sometimes the translators tend to have difficulties getting the actual word, thats why they check the historical link.

Jihad has two basic meanings, holy war(for self defence) and evangelism.

But did you even take your time to read my post in full and ponder on other points i raised?

@mrlawng

I have never attacked you? Maybe when i use a word you need to check the dictionary to check the meaning before deducing that it is an insult.

I would really be greatful if you list down what exactly I said, that implied I was attacking your personality. Thank you.

TayoD:
Belloti,Surah 9:29 "Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."

lolz ok? It seems I need to tackle this before it goes out of hand. The above quoted surah->verse, was delivered during a particular time, thats why it is necessary to know the historical attachments of the revelations of the Quraan before you just pick it up and stand blabbering.

Its as easy as when someone says something at a particular time, under a particular condition and after that event you tend to look back at that specific verse that serve that particular purpose at that time and just assume. Besides that, sometimes there is a misconception on what fight might imply, because it is translated from the word Jihad, which is actually known as evangelism, if translated based from classical arabic and what it signifies. Thats why you have a certain group of muslims such as the "IPCI" founded by the late Ahmed Deedat, still doing that. That is Jihad(Holy war), which is literally Evangelism if properly compared to historical associations besides use.

Now the fight here as said does not mean kill, or go and perform suicide, it means preach the word of God, in relation to what evangelism is all about, and thats why there is reference to those things required for them to believe in, and if they do not, let them pay taxes rather than zakat, because they are under the islamic rulers protection, this is generally during conquest of those threatening their peace and harmony. Now Zakat is the amount of money that every adult, mentally stable, free, and financially able Muslim, male and female, has to pay to support specific categories people.

IF fight means kill in this verse, how would you take taxes from those already dead?

This shows that Islam allows them to use the other conventional system if they do not accept the faith, and hence during the prophets time, you find jews and christians living under the rule, and thats why today if you go to Iraq, Iran you still find christians and jews.

Islam strictly forbids suicide, murder and all sort of atrocities.

Any other question or argument feel free to raise it besides I don't know the translator, whether he is an acceptable one like Pikthall or Yusuf Ali, but nevertheless its relatively ok.

deb:
I disagree with you on that statement. Christians don't pay lipservice to peace
we preach, live and act peace. That is the hallmark of a real christian.

But sometimes your priorities change? The word "We Christians" again !!!