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salvation101:
u err not knowing d scriptures.. Are u inferring dat Jesus who was a jew went against Jewish traditions because his disciples didn't document it in their letters or reports? John himself mentioned that if he was to write all Jesus did, d whole world wouldn't contain the volumes of books dat would av been written....do u mean its only the things on record in d new testament dat Jesus did?

u are not in position to condemn me based on my Scriptural knowledge my sis.
I have no business with extra biblical scripts u are talking abt or do u have another bible that reported other activities of Christ four gospels aside other books reported the life of christ yet, non gav account of when he paid or recieved or preached tithe. Paul wrote 13 epistles, it wasn't recorded for ones. he and other apostles spent several years ministering, and it wasnt recorded. my sis, I dont nid ur Extra biblical scripts to knw the truth.

besides, if Jesus had followed the Jewish law, there wudnt have bn Christianity. Judaism wud have continued even with us. most tinz abt Christ went against their (Jewish) law. that was why they plotted his death.

salvation101:
Jesus supported tithing in matt 23:23... Obedience is better than sacrifice.. Am done debating this issue

he supported wht he or his disciples did not practise. oga ooo. we are just gullibe in this part of the world.

no Wonder bible says "my pple perish for lack of knowledge". pple can be holy and stil lack knowledge of the word of God

salvation101:
how does d gift he received as a child wen he hasn't even learnt talkless of starting his ministry translate into offering? How does the ointment mary poured on his feet translate into offering? I ask u again, offering u are talking about is how funds were raised into the treasury judas was overseeing... Tell me where it was recorded that Jesus collected offering?

so offering must be in monetary form?? no wonder u couldn't diff BTW tithe and offering

salvation101:
I laughed wen u asked about Judaism. Did Abraham practice Judaism? Did Isaac or Jacob practice Judaism? Did dey av any fellowship with God or not? Judaism is the practice pf obeying the law of God given to moses specifically to the nation of Israel.. As a matter of fact, Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi, grew up practicing all the jewish rites and all the feasts, studied under Jewish teachers, taught in Jewish synagogue, but his ministry are beyond the nation of Israel hence his teaching were strange to ppl of his nation.. By d way, am sure u didn't even know dat not all the 12 tribes in Israel were jews

I laff at ur definition of Judaism. u dont even understand the concept. no wonder u cant attempt any of my question. ur ans to the only one u attempted shows that u dont understand it. attempt the rest, dont dodge them
was it recorded that Christ practised tithing?
did any of the apostles practised it?
was it on record that the early church in the act of apostles practised it?
wht is the diff BTW Judaism and Christianity?
wht is the diff BTW tithe and offering?
who brought Christianity and which religion do u practice?
if Jesus and the apostles are the perfect examples, why do we preach wht they never practised??

salvation101:
I see u r running away from fact,why den should i keep wasting my time answering you.. I asked u to show me where it was practiced that Jesus collected offerings ytd but u just couldn't nd here u are asking me d same question.. Sorry to disappoint.. I think i av done my best answering u on different threads since ytd.. Its now up to you to decide if you don't want to tithe don't tithe

offering was given to Christ wen he was born, hope u knw the upper chamber used for pass over wasn't his, Mary Magdalene offered to anoint his feet with expensive oil, wen he died, Joseph to wrapped him in clean white linen. Jesus equally preached it several times. same with the apostles. but show us where he paid or received tithe or where any of the apostles did that.
ur questions are here, react or u apologize to those u have convinced here.

was it recorded that Christ practised tithing?
did any of the apostles practised it?
was it on record that the early church in the act of apostles practised it?
wht is the diff BTW Judaism and Christianity?
wht is the diff BTW tithe and offering?
who brought Christianity and which religion do u practice?
if Jesus and the apostles are the perfect examples, why do we preach wht they never practised??

salvation101:
I am a Christian. I believe in Christ... The first prophecy about the coming of Christ was made my God himself to adam and eve that the seed of the woman would bruise the head of the devil... If Jesus has finally finished his purpose i.e God's covenant with the patraich.. Den there will be nothing like Rapture or the second coming of Christ or millenia reign of christ or Armageddon or gog and magog.. Infact we all will be immortals right now. No more death in the flesh... Be care wen u bring the parts of the Bible before the law nd classify dem all as under the law. Jesus fulfilled the law, he still av alot to fulfill. He is still coming to reign for 1000years...please just search ur scriptures

attempt the questions and stop beating around the bush.

was it recorded that Christ practised tithing?
did any of the apostles practised it?
was it on record that the early church in the act of apostles practised it?
wht is the diff BTW Judaism and Christianity?
wht is the diff BTW tithe and offering?
who brought Christianity and which religion do u practice?
if Jesus and the apostles are the perfect examples, why do we preach wht they never practised??

pls go straight to the point with ur ans

salvation101:
you intentionally skipped the part that said the covenant with Abraham was an everlasting covenant. Maybe you should first find out the meaning of the word '' EVERLASTING"...The only reason u nd i as gentiles can partake of the cross of Christ is because of God covenant with Abraham. Paul the apostle even said salvation was for the jews.
Sacred Promises

A covenant is an agreement in which two parties make commitments to each other. Each party takes upon himself, as part of his acceptance of the covenant, certain obligations that pertain to the relationship. In a gospel covenant, we enter into sacred agreements with God, promising our obedience to his will. In turn, he has promised glorious blessings to us if we obey and serve him.

The patriarch Abraham committed himself unwaveringly to the Lord’s service and was privileged to enter into a covenant with him. The Bible describes the blessings the Lord promised Abraham because of his faith and obedience. The following examples mention four promises:

Promise 1: “Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:

“For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever. (Gen. 13:14–15.)

Promise 2: “And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered.” (Gen. 13:16.)

Promise 3: “I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.” (Gen. 17:7.)

Promise 4: “In thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed.” (Gen. 22:18.)

Abraham’s and Sarah’s son and grandson, Isaac and Jacob, received similar promises and became subject to the same covenants and obligations Abraham had received. (See Gen. 26:3–4; Gen. 28:13–14; Gen. 35:11–12.) In like manner, the covenant was renewed at Sinai with the descendants of these three men, the house of Israel. (Ex. 19:1–. By inheritance, those who descend from that lineage receive the same blessings and enter into the same obligations as their great forefathers. In modern times, the Lord has renewed that covenant with his Saints...

Jesus Christ was the seed of Abraham through wch anyone on the face of this planet can become the seed of Abraham. Jesus didn't cancel the covenant of God with Abraham, as a matter of fact Jesus is coming again He fulfilled the law but there are stil prophesies yet to be fulfilled. Yes i pray in the name of Jesus because without him i am alien, it is the adoption in Christ that makes me qualified to be an Abraham seed. Go and read the book of Romans 11..paul explained how some elect were cut off and now the gentiles were grafted into the olive..God still remembers His covenant with Abraham and dat is why You nd i can be called Christians even though we aren't jews. If you say Abrahamic covenant was done away with and the Bible says we are Abraham's seed by faith, how den can believers in Christ be seeds of something dat is done away with? U see its bad theology

1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.

9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob

my sis, do u beliv in Jesus Christ.?? do u knw that Christianity wasn't practised bfr Christ, Judaism was practised bfr HIM. the word "Christian" came after Christ (those who behave like Christ.)
do u knw that it was not recorded anywhere that Christ or the followers paid or received tithe.

do u knw that all the patriarchs bfr Christ were recorded not perfect
Hebrews 11:39-40
39.And these all(all the people mentioned in this chapter11), having obtained a good report through faith(including Abraham as previously mentioned if you read from verse1 of this chapter11 down), RECEIVED NOT THE PROMISE
40.God having provided some better thing(a better faith through Christ) for us, that they(all the people mentioned including Abraham) without us should not be made perfect.

why do u tink pple dont pray in the name of Abraham etc??
Jesus is the surety for new covenant
Hebrews 7:22 KJV
By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

that is why he said we shud ask in his name.

anytin that is not done or preached by Christ shud not be encouraged.

pls my sis, there is a clear diff BTW tithe and offering. the act of apostle did offering not tithing. and the offerings served a particular purpose.

do u knw that david at a time limited or stop the work of levite?? even in the book of heb. it was recorded that priesthood bfr Christ is faulty and later proclaimed Christ as the high priest.?


pls anytin u can't find in Christ shud not be encouraged.

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Ovamboland:
Tithe is only one of the provisions of the law at the time Jesus addressed the pharisees. If you say on the basis of that discussion about full compliance with the law Christians are supposed to also comply, may I ask if you practice the law as well and in totality. Do you eat snails or do you wear clothes with mixed fibre or eat food from mixed cropping then you're neglecting parts of the law and guilty and must sacrifice a ram.

Why did the church ignore the non revenue generating laws and carry only tithing like gala?

its either that sis doesn't understand the concept or she is a pastor or a wife to one

Geesaintagape:
I did pay tithe b4 until i discovered its broad day 419 to tell a xtian to pay tithe.

lolzzzz

salvation101:
dat u tithe doesn't exempt you from doing wat james 1:27 says. well am tired of going back and forth on dis issue. Abraham paid tithe to the High priest and king of salem. Heb7 talk about the similarities btw Melchizedek and Jesus. Honoring the Lord with ur tithe works. It works for me. Infact Kennneth Hagin said if u don't believe in tithing, dont tithe until u do. Wateva u do without faith wont work.

thats ur beliv my sis. all I knw is that whatever u can't trace to Christ who is the author and finisher of our faith and the apostles who are our examples is not advisable. I practice Christianity and not Judaism. throughout st Paul missionary Jonis, and other apostles, it was not recorded anywhere that they practised tithing.

holiness and knowledge are too diff tinx.

my pple perish for lack of knowledge. he didn't say they lack salvation.

wish u all the best my dear sis.

shalom

gmaribel:
Tithes as preached by prosperity pastors is not founded in the Bible for Christians.

The practice was part of laws set aside for the Jews in the Mosaic law.

Other practices such as burnt offerings, passover , etc stopped with Christianity

Pastors today preach it to collect 10% monthly from their flocks. And live in grand style.

Jesus never collected tithe from anyone ......I went through a post today that a pastor fainted after a Nigerian offered $1000000 ..... Now when Jesus met a rich man who wanted to gain eternal life he did not ask him to bring any money. He told him to sell his belongings and give to the poor then come and follow him. Lk 18:18-23

tnk u sir. he really emphasized giving to the poor likewise his disciples. and every Christian wnts to be like Christ yet they practise wht he never did or preached.

salvation101:
telll me where Jesus Christ collected offering mr knowledge

I have shown u one. do u even knw the diff BTW tithe and offering.

salvation101:
tithe tithe tithe

and it wasn't recorded that he or his apostles practice it.

if other things mean tithe to u then, u are either deceiving ursev or u dont av the semantic knowledge of the word.

salvation101:
den u mean Jesus must be contradicting himself cos there were parts of the law he expressly condemned and spoke against.. If he is saying here dat dey should be doing all of the 600+, den u r saying those things he spoke against too were among. Is dat it?

OK ma, wht are the other tinx

salvation101:
u just shot ursef on d foot bro. I mentioned where he supported tithing u said there was no record of him collecting tithes. U mentioned where he talked about giving(generically) wch i agree wit but tell me where it was recorded dat he collected offering u cant. But u and i can agree dat he did at some point but wasn't recorded.

if u understood giving to mean tithing then u dont knw wht u are talking abt.
act of apostle church gave generously to support the poor and the church in general. does that mean tithing. pls get the knowledge of tithing and offering. they are two diff tinx

salvation101:
u just shot ursef on d foot bro. I mentioned where he supported tithing u said there was no record of him collecting tithes. U mentioned where he talked about giving(generically) wch i agree wit but tell me where it was recorded dat he collected offering u cant. But u and i can agree dat he did at some point but wasn't recorded.

so giving to u is tithing.?? only God can make u understand then.

I said Christ started receiving offering from childhood or u dont remember the three wise men again

salvation101:
in a bid to give that statement of Jesus another meaning u r muddling things up. Matt 23:23 is very clear

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Matthew 23:23 KJV
http://bible.com/1/mat.23.23.KJV
“It will be bad for you teachers of the law and you Pharisees! You are hypocrites! You give God a tenth of the food you get, even your mint, dill, and cumin. But you don’t obey the really important teachings of the law—being fair, showing mercy, and being faithful. These are the things you should do. And you should also continue to do those other things.
Matthew 23:23 ERV
http://bible.com/406/mat.23.23.ERV

“Woe to you, [self-righteous] scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you give a tenth (tithe) of your mint and dill and cumin [focusing on minor matters], and have neglected the weightier [more important moral and spiritual] provisions of the Law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the [primary] things you ought to have done without neglecting the others.
MATTHEW 23:23 AMP
http://bible.com/1588/mat.23.23.AMP

Jesus wasn't talking here about the 600+ wateva u are talking about but d good works he just mentioned

so what are the other things of the law. if it was only tithe then why are versions u quoted pluralizing it "other things" and not other thing or even mention tithe"
is tithe the only mosaic law
if u are not decieving ursev my sis, other tinx means other part of the law. it is self explanatory enof. u can bring Yoruba version if u are one.

salvation101:
tell me where it was recorded that he collected offering

offering started from his birth ma. and he preached it several times. one of it is this
Luke 6:38 KJV
Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

wen James defined the perfect religion, was tithe mention there.
James 1:27 KJV
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

salvation101:
except you just wanna argue, Matt23:23 is there. If u don't understand the king james version check with other versions as well..

Matthew 23:-23 KJV [23] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.


don't misquote Jesus, he was talking to the teacher of the law. av u found out why he didn't mention the Sadducees??

do you knw mosaic laws are 613 in number. that is the "other" Christ was talking abt not only tithing. so and me do ur pastor preach that u shud practice the other 613 laws of moses if ur ans no, then u are hypocrite to have taken tithe from the others Christ was talking abt.

salvation101:
wen u say old testament, u sound like those ppl who think everything in d old testament falls under d law. Abraham existed before the law. God made a covenant with his him.. Isaac was not his only seed.. He had Ishmael from hagar illegitimatly but also had a legitimate wife after the death of sarah who gave him several more sons.. Jacob wasn't the only son of Isaac.. Why do u den try to put d larger covenant God had with Abraham under the covenant he had wit Israel?

no correlation BTW dis and the question of who is a levite

salvation101:
d bible doesn't give record of Jesus Christ making any collections but it told us that Judas iscarriot had been stealing from the treasury, how can he steal from an empty treasury? How was money raised? Was it recorded? There are a lot of things the bible is silent about in the new testament dat we get cues of from d old. For ur info tithing preceded the law. Go md read Heb 7

Jesus Christ!!! it sims u dont understand the diff BTW offering and tithe. Jesu and apostles really encouraged offering so much. many atimes he received offering and equally preached it. it was never recorded that they received tithe ma. tithe and offering are not dsame ma

salvation101:
understanding matters. Christ teaching is the foundation on wch Christianity was built. Wen u said Jesus was only referring to the scribe and pharisee, who where dey? Sinners? Publicans? They were the custodian of the word of God as at dat time. Dey were the teachers of the law. Jesus studied under these same ppl right from his childhood, dey were held in high esteem. Jesus only corrected wat dey were doing wrong as at dat time. Wch was neglecting of justice and mercy. Jesus talked to fishermen, tax collectors, soldiers, lawyers etc. R u also saying those his messages were only for those sets of ppl nd doesn't applies to believers today? Going by ur logic, wat was d reason Jesus gave dem d message? So dat dey would be more condemned or dat dey become fit for the kingdom of God?

I suggest u study ur bible to knw why it was instituted in the old testament and why Christ and the apostle never preached, pay or received it.

salvation101:
understanding matters. Christ teaching is the foundation on wch Christianity was built. Wen u said Jesus was only referring to the scribe and pharisee, who where dey? Sinners? Publicans? They were the custodian of the word of God as at dat time. Dey were the teachers of the law. Jesus studied under these same ppl right from his childhood, dey were held in high esteem. Jesus only corrected wat dey were doing wrong as at dat time. Wch was neglecting of justice and mercy. Jesus talked to fishermen, tax collectors, soldiers, lawyers etc. R u also saying those his messages were only for those sets of ppl nd doesn't applies to believers today? Going by ur logic, wat was d reason Jesus gave dem d message? So dat dey would be more condemned or dat dey become fit for the kingdom of God?

why didnt Christ or the apostles pay or receive it?
are the apostles not follower of Christ

2SWT:
Tithing is meant for the poor in our midst fine!
When you start talking about wealthy pastors do you bother checking their backgrounds?
Some of them came from poor homes (does that put them in the levites class) and were sponsored by the church.
When you talk about the properties they acquire do you bother looking for the good/generous things they've done? Do you think about the scholarships they've given? Do you talk about the Junior pastors they pay?
Do you even think of how much some of then put into the church both financially, spiritually and physically before the church grew to that extent?

Must you assume every pastor depend on your tithes and offerings? Some of them have their own businesses that fetch them money.

BTW do you really think pastors don't deserve a good life like every other church member?
Are there not people in your church who are richer than your pastor? Do you talk about them the way you talk about pastors?

Now I'm officially done with this tithing issue on this thread

now its clear to me that u dont understand this issue.

shalom