FxMasterz: Chai! May God give you understanding. I don't know why you like taking a part of what I say without looking at the whole discourse. How many times would I call your attention to these lapses?
So, the only thing you heard me say is that Solutions that are rare are miraculous but you did not remember again that I have defined a miracle for you as something that has no natural explanation, has a mark of rarity, and also has a mark of impossibility with no natural explanation. It is also determined by its premise.
Is this spontaneous remission a SOLUTION? No, it's not a solution but the result of a number of solutions such as Immune System Activation, Hormonal Changes, Reduction in Oxygen Levels, and Genetic Variability to name a few. These are the SOLUTIONS that result in the spontaneous remission of cancer. The real SOLUTIONS are not rare occurences. The spontaneous remission has natural explanations and has no mark of impossibility.
For instance, immune system activation through the body's response system or an internal stimulus such as fever can make the body fight the cancerous cells. This is very explainable biologically. So, what's miraculous about that? These solutions are not rare.
And, even if you think spontaneous remission of cancer is a solution itself which it is not, it has natural explanations. How can something rare but naturally explainable be a miracle?
If mere rarity of a solution alone defined a miracle, then you don't even need to go to science or biology for your objection. There are many rare solutions around us but they do not carry the mark of impossibility, and they do have natural explanations. Their premises are also natural. We are talking of events that have no natural premises. No natural explanation. They carry a mark of impossibility.
The x-rays of the sizable nail and its subsequent elimination in the belly of a 1 year old ticks all these boxes. Spontaneous remission of cancer does not.
Who on earth told you that everyone who has time set aside to respond to posts and mentions also has time to rummage through Nairaland to find something that was not lost? Only jobless people hang around on social media without time allotment.
Do I need to go any far? Even right now, you have done it again. You'll quote me in part and re-present my whole ideology on that one part. All in a bid to win an argument. I have already addressed you on this up there.
My respectful mention of your posts may not make it so glaring. If I too start using words such as 'you are confused', with a shout of LMAO and Bwahahahaha, maybe your lapses would have been more obvious to you. But, I'm above such levels.
There were caveats to it. Everyone knows when something is absolutely impossible. And when the impossible becomes possible, we know it's not natural. Especialy when it happens after we prayed.
I think I have shared this before. The year was 2014, I wouldn't want to go into details so as not to wear you out. But, there was this lady that passes by us always backing a 4 year old child.
One day, my wife asked her to allow the child walk. "Why back him everyday?". It was then the lady opened the boy's concealed right leg. The mother covers the leg with the clothes she uses to back him. The leg was extra large - elephantiasis. The woman said she has taken him for surgery twice but the ailment returns after each surgery. She was to take him for the third surgery but she didn't have the required 100k as at then. My wife asked her not to worry. "My husband is a man of God. Let him see the child's leg." The lady came to meet me on a Monday morning and I prayed for both mother and child. On Wednesday morning, I saw the woman in my house. "Daddy, thanks so much for the other day sir. See his leg." She wore a brighter countenance this very day. I can still visualize the joy on her face.
The swollen leg had begun to shrink. Drastically reduced in size. Though not yet at par with the other leg at the time, but the size reduction was very obvious. No surgery. Only my prayers. "You spirit of infirmity, I terminate your operations in this leg, and cast you out. You leg, hear the Word of the Lord, take on your normal size, and from now on begin to heal in Jesus name! You Elephantiasis, be gone!" Then, I repeated"Be gone, be gone, be gone in Jesus name!". That was it. The result was a shrunk leg.
A month later, I saw the boy playing around with his mates. Something he couldn't do before. I give all Glory to Jesus. That's what we call a miracle. It happened after prayers. It was an impossible situation without surgery. It had a mark of rarity. No natural explanation.
I don't know where you got that ideology from? Please what exactly did I say that gave you this obnoxious conclusion? It seems you never even understand anything I write. All is well in Jesus name.
I wonder at you o. So, the Tabera people made the glass bottle and arranged the orange inside it according to your superlative brains. Hahahaha! Kudos to you. You are very intelligent.
Ha! I even thought he'll come up with scientific methods such as attaching the bottle to a tree with a flowering orange inside it, then, allowing the orange to grow and ripen inside the bottle. I didn't know it's such level of low thinking he expects me to descend to.
I can give you a few scientific ways to make that happen actually but those Tabera people were stark illiterates. I don't know if they still are. They know absolutely nothing. You can visit the place. Mount Tabera. Along Lagos Ibadan Express Way.
It's hilarious that you even expect them to be bottle manufcturers. Or you thought they know how to contract bottles out to manufacturers in 1999. Did they even have the money?
Your superlative brains didn't tell you that the orange should rot after staying in the bottle for many years? Was it the manufacturer that preserved the orange too? Or do you even think that the orange in the bottle thing was the only weird phenomenon in the place? Lol. Why are you thinking so narrowly?
Watch this and stop being so gullible. (Click the link)
Dtruthspeaker: See how dishonest you always are when you do not have any valid thing to say? If I strawmaned your statement you would have said so since instead of playing the pretence denial card.
Is God not deity?
And Is your point not about denying faith in God because of clinical tests?
You words "There is no evidence faith in a deity affects wellness outcomes in clinical tests". have already sunk you.
Plus, we can all see that you are now trying to hide "clinical tests" from your statement, now that you see that you have been caught and you still do not have any reasonable thing to say.
Dtruthspeaker: You have started again. Always ready to deny your own words when you real eyes that you do not have any valid thing to counter.
Is this not where you raised the issue which I even specifically quoted and responded from?
You quoted what I wrote and still went on to create a strawman. Did I write god/deity or faith in a deity? Do you not understand those are 2 different things?
Dtruthspeaker: That is because you are looking at it from the narrow view forgetting that clinical trial means that man is in full control of the trial environment. Whereas, God/deity means A Power beyond the full control of man Who operates at His Own discretion and convenience.
Therefore, it is not logical to put God and clinical test in the same place.
Where do I mention putting the deity and clinical test together? Reread what I wrote and stop making strawman statements.
Dtruthspeaker: How do you put God and clinical test in the same statement? Does that make sense to you?
And is it not facts tested by gen pop that we believe and work with? If Wike's incident took place in a clinical trial are you not the first to say that a clinical trial is not real living?
You post isn't making sense. Reread what you replied to.
Image123: Lolz, belief or expectation or trust does not have to be only in God. It was not designed that way; no less than love is only to be for God. It only exposes the untapped realm you've missed out on. They are not dependent on each other in the sense. Faith or belief in oneself, or in a person, has produced outstanding results over the ages. Hopefully, you don't deny that. Faith in God is the highest form of faith. It also matters what you believe God for. We have believed God for things you don't intend to believe, so we're not complaining.
Except not really. There is no evidence faith in a deity affects wellness outcomes in clinical tests. The outcomes follow exactly the same pattern as the general population.
Designed in what way? In a way that can not produce results beyond what is to be expected? How is that indicative of a design or any sort of deliberate functioning? Placebo/nocebo doesn't always work same with your faith so what design are you talking about?
DeepSight: + Of course being who he is we both know ultimately it's a stepping stone to an argument for his God. Nevertheless the point he was making was brief, being that what one believes can affect ones reality.
A long long time ago, I did a thread titled "Belief and Reality". . . Pls see the OP.
But yes, I see what you mean. The principle holds that no sky daddy is required for this.
I have questions even though I want to agree with the statement that belief shapes reality. The statement seems too simple to actually capture our experiences in words. I think I see something there but it hasn't resolved itself into a clear outline.
DeepSight: + His argument bears no component of a magic sky daddy. The argument is that what you believe will have an effect on you. It's a correlation between thought and your reality.
I assumed he was arguing for his type of faith not faith in general but still it negates the need for faith in a deity don't you think?
Image123: They are all belief/expectations. There's an according to your faith. There are levels/grades of faith, and what or who you believe in.
If placebo works without belief in a magic sky daddy then there is no need for it. To me that indicates there isn't a sky daddy at all because you cannot produce any effect from your faith in magic sky daddy that is distinguishable from natural occurrence both in efficacy and frequency.
TotoIsGud4boy: Point noted. Wike was wrong to speak foul-mouthedly to the navy officer, navy officer was wrong to challenge an FCT minister passively even if he was just following orders he should’ve handled it diplomatically and avoided the escalation that turned into insults
How exactly was he supposed to have behaved diplomatically? He was there on orders not on his own accord. Anybody with good knowledge of the military knows that you go speak with the officer who sent the military personnel instead of trying rofo rofo fight in the street.
triplechoice: When I used my personal experiences to argue that the concepts of the soul, reincarnation and the phenomenon of NDE are true, even if not yet scientifically proven, others like Lordreed and Unknownunknown criticised and mocked me as well. While their comments were harsh, I was not as offended because they came from a place of sincere disbelief.
Can you quote where I mocked you on the topic of NDEs?
Ourtruth247: This is the 4th time I'll be responding to this question on this thread.
If you actually read through my posts on this thread, you'd have seen my responses.
OK but can you explain why human population explosion and the increase in average life span correlates so well with medical technology advances? Why didn't the human population explode into the billions we see today a thousand years ago?
obonujoker: Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Honestly this part of Scripture in Revelations 20 scares me so much. Imagine after suffering in hell from Devils punishment, such a person will be brought out of hell, resurrected to his/her earthly body, Judged, and if found unworthy will be cast into the Lake of Fire.
May God have Mercy on Us and give us the revelation of Jesus Christ, so that many a people can be saved.
And to think after death, when a person's translated into the spirit by dropping this earthly body, that there is no more repentance. Even the Devil will be tormented in the lake of fire, all the little power he and the demons have will be stripped from them forever and ever...
Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Honestly, Revelations 20 scares me so much about how bad it will be to fall into the wrath of the Almighty God.
Jesus Christ I thank you for saving us, body , soul and spirit
How old are you that an old Jewish tale is scaring you.
Ourtruth247: Yes. Our souls get memory wiped when we die. Our wiped souls get put in the body of a new born baby and we repeat the cycle over and over, endlessly
Then explain why and how human population continues to grow.
frankson1: Nigeria did not only condemned the war, the US proposals of deporting immigrants from other countries to Nigeria was also turned down and he falsely believed that his ego was bruised.
lightwind: $ Make a research about what's going on in South Africa where the minority whites lives. I mean there's ethnic cleansing going on there and carried out by the South African youths.
They are targeting the white farmers.
I don't know what is wrong with some of you Nigerians.
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Show us your own research. Give us 5 reputable sources for this genocide in SA.
Rolings: The real reason was because SA took Israel to ICJ and is a leading voice in calling the real Genocide happening in Gaza what it is , a Genocide.
Folks that refuse to call Israeli actions a Genocide wants the world to believe theres a Christian Genocide In Nigeria
And surprise surprise Nigeria condemned the war in Gaza. Trump is as transparent as glass.
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