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FxMasterz:
How do you want me to answer a question that has no relationship with my assertion?

The same way I answered your question that had nothing to do with what I said.

Now are you you going to keep dodging or answer this question: was it you who said the case I cited was simple, yes or no.

That question is only necessary if I had said objects don't move in human bodies except through prayers. Objects movement is not what prompted me to create this thread. I have told you several times that my position is not object movement but 360° rotation. And for emphasis, a rotation that happened ONLY after prayers. For you to come and then ask me an unrelated question and me trying to explain my position to you more clearly, is standard. You can't argue with me on claims I did not make. I have answered you that objects do move.

It is very relevant to clarifying your claim.

For more clarity, the basis of this thread goes like this:

1. Objects move in human bodies but no guarantee that the movements will eliminate the need for surgery.

Nobody argued there was any guarantee. Not even you with your miracle claim can say that if you pray you can guarantee a positive result.

2. Objects move but they don't rotate 360° in most cases. Your argument that the rotation happened twice is inconsequential. Whether it happened twice or a thousand times, the rotation puts the nail in a safe position in the child. This is the case. Let me make it even more clearer. The rotation putting the nail in a safe orientation in the child is NOT GUARANTEED. THE PROBABILITY OF THIS SAFE POSITION HAPPENING IS VERY SLIM. All these happened only after prayers. I am repeating myself because it seems you're not getting my points.

1st off in your miracle claim the nail did not turn 360. If it did it would return to its original position unless you don't know what turn 360 means. It turned a max of 180 which reorients it as seen by the changing position of the nail head. Even at that the case I cited makes this a moot point. Look at the xrays again. The nail head was down in the 1st set then it turns up in the 2nd set. Then down again. There is no magic you want to do to turn a nail head from a down facing position to an up facing position without making the nail go through a horizontal position. So therefore this nail 180 reorientation can happen naturally without any prayerrs.

3. The child is a baby. One year old. The length of the nail in contrast to the size of the baby's stomach should make a rotation absolutely impossible. How did that rotation happen? The walls of that Baby's stomach are very tender. The risk of perforations is very high.

This means nothing. The risk of perforations has no bearing on whether this can happen naturally or not.

4. Is there any natural or biological process that can induce such a safe rotation? No!

It can happen naturally and the case I cited shows it can.

5. Are there similar cases that tick all the boxes from 1 to 4 above? No!

The case I cited ticks every relevant box naturally without prayer.

I will accept once you prove that your lone case ticks all the boxes from one to 4 above.

I don't think you would because you want this to be a miracle by all means to the point you are denying reality.

Demetrix:
Good-afternoon Nairalanders
I am a young guy in my early twenties hustling for a better future and I've got couple of women around me. Now here's my recent experience. About 3 weeks ago, I had a dream where I invited a female friend around and tried having sex with her but my body was so weak and heavy to engage in the sexual activity with her. I also tried moving my leg in the dream but it was heavy. Finally, I had sex with her and not long after that,I woke up. Fast forward to this week on Monday night,I had a dream where I Found myself in a workplace and I was left alone with a sexually attractive lady and even though she was willing,I just couldn't have sex with her be because either my body is weak or heavy. I just tried but circumstances couldn't. I didn't get to have sex with her and I woke up. Lately, girls I used to have flings with are giving me cold shoulder or excuses. Please,who has had similar experience or dreams or can help me interpret
God bless you

Na konji dey worry you.

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FxMasterz:
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I have answered all your questions. I never said foreign objects don't move in tummies. Read the OP. The claims was that this one only moved after prayers. This is premises on the fact that not all objects move. Many never moved. And it's significant that this one moved after prayer. Not only did it move. It made an unusual 360° rotation. Not just a movement.

I have asked you to bring a similar 360° rotation incident relating to a 1 year old or any age within such range. You didn't find one even for adults. The adult case you brogh was not a rotation. That nail had to do 360° rotation, otherwise the child would be in danger. It was that rotation alone that could resolve the issue, and it's not commonplace. This rotation happened only after prayers.

This is my position which you never addressed. Your questions were all of point because they didn't challenge my position in anyway. You're asking questions regarding assertions I never made.

No you did not even when I said say yes or no you still refused but you had the temerity to ask me to say yes or no to which I answered. See that is the difference between us, I don't have to lie or be evasive because I want to defend a fantasy. I can point to reality everytime and be certain of what I am saying unlike you who needs to twist it, lie and be evasive.

Your refusal to accept that the case cited is identical to your miracle claim is emblematic of your thoughtlessness. Keep denying reality, it's what you are good at.

FxMasterz:
Yes, it is not simple. Thanks for that confession.

Google has been your friend including AI. In this age, you can never claim you have no idea how common it is. Information is always at your fingertips. The only reason why you have no idea is because there is no replica of this child's nail rotation out there.

It is not common. That's a miracle.

You see how dishonest you are being? I asked you a question did you respond? When I previously asked you a simple yes or no question did you respond? No to both times yet you wanna come here act like someone else is being evasive.

Whether it is common or not has nothing to do with what I said you are just jumping to another thing I made no reference to.

You are so discombobulated that a case where the nail rotated twice is what you say is not comparable. Dishonesty pro max.

FxMasterz:
Please answer a simple yes or no to whether the nail swallowing case is simple or that the nail ejection case is common.

Asked and answered.

Mind you, Gabrielshow24 has challenged you that peristalsis does not make objects move 360°. Do you have any other natural explanation for the occurrence in the child's tummy?

I didn't mention peristalsis so that has nothing to do with me.

You cannot say it's not a miracle by just saying it's not. You've got to prove it with natural explanations and multiple samples of similar occurrences. The multiplicity of similar cases will be enough proof to back up your dismissal of a miracle taking place.

My first question to you was:

LordReed:
Do you think foreign objects in people's bodies only move or change orientation due to prayer?

Where in it do I mention miracle?

Here is my other question to you:

LordReed:
The question is how do you know it is a miracle?

Here is someone who ingested a nail and pooped it out: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8891944/

In this case the nail rotated at least twice. No prayers involved.

One which you have failed to answer.

Stop being emotional and face this issue headlong my friend.

LoLz. The only person getting emotional here is you. You are so discombobulated you started lying and trying to deny what we can both see with our 2 naked eyes. LMAO!

FxMasterz:
Now, do you claim it is not simple?

This girl's nail swallowing case is not simple. Yes or no?

This girl's nail ejection case is not common. Yes or no?

Please answer in simple yes or no.

I never claimed it was, it was you who claimed that the case I cited was simple. Do you deny that?

NO, it is not simple.

I have no idea how common or uncommon it is.

FxMasterz:
Tell me the pillar and post I jumped to. Did the topic change? No. I have bright several points of arguments. You've got no answer for any. My last point was for you to tell us how the common event could only help you find only one slightly similar event. There should be multiple similar events if that event is common. Is that another pillar or another post?

First you claimed I said it was simple meanwhile it was you who said it was simple. Next you jump to I said it was common yet you cannot quote where I said so. You are so discombobulated you are even denying the change in orientation of the nail in the case I cited. Man you need help to calm your nerves. LMAO.

FxMasterz:
What do you mean by 'it is not special'? I drew inferences from that your statement. An event that is not special is common. So, prove to us that it is not special by bringing us a multiple such events that shows commonality.

Also, not that the single event you presented is not similar scientifically speaking. You brother an event of an adult. The nail orientation too was not the same. The threats were dissimilar both is nature and in severity. The only similar thing in the two events is that they both swallowed a nail. And I have not said that any mail swallowing event needs a miracle or surgery to be ejected.

LoLz. Guy I asked you to quote where I said it is common you cannot because I never did. Your attempt to put words in my mouth is beyond thoughtless.

The nail orientation in the case I cited changed visibly twice but you are losing your mind so incredibly that you are denying what you are seeing. Such a sodden pity. Bwahahahahahaha!

FxMasterz:
You've grown really emotional. It's the sign of unease within your soul.

But how does your mockery count? Valueless.

The one who is emotional here is you. You are jumping from pillar to post losing your mind over this. LoLz.

FxMasterz:
Listen to yourself or you love dishonesty more than truth.

You said something is not a miracle, I said it is. Yet, you couldn't bring multiple occurrences of it to prove it's not a miracle. The fact that you have only obe documented adult case of a nail turning in an adult, and not even doing 360 degrees like the one we have in this one year old baby is enough to expose your dishonesty.

If I'll prove to you that your case is not special, then, I'll give you multiple cases that are similar. Only a dishonest person would respond to such assertion with "special ko, medal ni.' It's the height of dishonesty to say the list. Whatever is not common is special. Prove that it's not special by showing us how common it is. Period!

Leave the talk talk. Show us how common it is!

Kindly quote where I claimed it is common.

FxMasterz:
You're even getting worked up. What's pricking your heart, my friend?

Bwahahahahahaha! Save your crocodile tears my guy.

Who cares about how many times the nail has turned? Is that what we're discussing? You're the one arguing with yourself about that, not me. I don't care about how many times the nail turned. I repeat. I only care that the nail turned to put the child out of harm's way- after the mother prayed.

Like I said you've lost the plot. It shows that foreign objects reposition in the body naturally. The fact that after 2 days you are still dishonestly dragging this just shows you've really lost your mind.

My friend, my one case is a special case. If it's not special, you need to bring many cases to prove that. What makes my own case special is the hand of God. The only way to prove it's not special is for you to submit several similar cases. By not finding several cases like mine, the speciality of the case is established.

Bwahahahahahaha! Special kor medal ni.

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If it's simple, you can try it out many times yourself by swallowing nails to show us how simple it is but my friend, you don't want to do that because you know it's not simple.

It was you who called it simple so you go swallow some nails. LoLz.

No, He existed before the Mountains and would be the there after the mountains are long gone. But, you are just like a vapour. For a time, you exist to make boast in yourself. You who do not know whether you'll wake up tomorrow if you sleep tonight.

Your god is as ephemeral as a dream and is not real. I on the other hand I'm real no matter how briefly my time on earth. Your god has no privilege of existing. LoLz.

FxMasterz:
Whatever has a natural explanation will gave several similar incidents, and would not happen only after prayers.

And I showed you a well documented case. To bad if it is making you lose your mind.

FxMasterz:
You're the one who has not been honest.

When we claim miracles, you say bring evidence. When we bring evidence, you say something else without any substance. When we counter you, you start saying we're not being honest.

What is the dishonesty in the fact that a nail is turning 360 degrees in the tummy of a 1 year old to put the child out of harm's way. A miracle that happened only after the mother prayed. A miracle that you cannot replicate. And infact, it's hard to find its replica online. What is the dishonesty about making you aware of your own unfounded denials?

Give God all the Glory!

What is this one saying? You brought a situation that I showed has a natural explanation and you start losing your mind how is that my fault?

FxMasterz:
See, I do not care about how many rotations the nail made. I have already made my position clear.

I hope you saw the length of the nail. It's at least one and a half inches long if not more. The child is a one year old for heaven's sake. How wide is a one year old's intestines or stomach for nails that long to be making rotations without injuring the kid?

If you think it's safe to swallow nails since they can always be ejected without a miracle, can you willingly swallow some and even advise others to do the same? Since a natural process can always push the nails out.

Gabrielshow24 is ignoring you, not silenced. He knows you have made up your mind not to accept the truth. He doesn't want to waste his time arguing with someone whose mind is already made up. No amount of evidence can change such minds. They're better left alone. I continue to engage you instead of ignoring you because those who really need God will see this post as we continue to argue.

Give God the Glory due to Him!

Who said anything about it being safe to swallow nails? Stay on topic.

It is better for him to be silent than to be like you displaying your lack of honesty.

FxMasterz:
Gabrielshow24 already passed his message to you. That doesn't mean he accepts your denial.

You couldn't even produce at least 5 evidences of people who survived such incidents without surgery, yet you're here trying to disprove an occurrence that is not so rampant, and that happened only after prayer. Or, how many incidents of 360° nail rotation in the tummy have you seen yet in the whole world? All reports online show complications, perforations, surgeries and deaths. The case you brought yesterday was a simple case that never needed a surgery.

Keep denying God. You'll still meet God some day.

LoLz. This is so funny. Something that we can see koro koro with our eyes that the nail turned twice you are coming to say this illogical heap.

You brought only 1 case but I am supposed to bring 5 to counter your 1. It just shows you are not engaging in good faith. You will move the goalposts as many times as you like because you cannot engage truthfully.


A simple case that rotated 2ce and still had no complications.

Your god is as ephemeral as a dream, no matter how pleasant it is still not real.

I don't even understand why a LGA council would think it can issue license for TV and radio ownership. Based on what? Are you the one providing the electricity or the content or the distribution? This is just pure government overreach.

FxMasterz:
From my initial post, I never said foreign objects don't change positions. I was even the one who mentioned peristalsis to you. If you don't understand my line of argument, this should give you more clarity. I have never said they cannot change position They can change positions even dangerously. What I have said right from the beginning till now is that a 360° change in a harmless position that didn't happen before prayer happened after only prayer. And that it isn't a coincidence that instead of changing positions more dangerously (,that probably is very high), it rather changed position to take the child out of harm's way. This probability is slimmer than the dangerous position probability. It happened only after prayer. Definitely God worked as He had always worked.

Kindly demonstrate how a nail head can change position from down to up without first getting into a lateral/horizontal position.

Whatever position change you think occured in your miracle claim happened at least twice in the case I linked so please save us your completely transparent duplicitous display.

At least Gabrielshow24 is honest enough be quiet instead of being so transparently duplicitous.

FxMasterz:
Absolutely wrong inferences.

The second set of images are not two different images but the same image from different perspectives for better visibility.

They very clearly show that the nail which was down in the 1st set of pictures is now up. I dunno what you are trying to say here.

The nail turned and repositioned itself in the way to the anus.

Now, even if it rotates 1000 times, have you ever thought of the probability of it ending its rotation in a harmful direction?

LoLz. I am glad we have established that foreign objects can reposition naturally.

If you think that alien objects naturally leave the human body without external interventions; is the human body intelligent enough to purge itself of alien materials? Who gave it such an intelligence? Or that intelligence, similar to the way the body tries to heal itself is just accidental?

Bwahahahahahaha! You now want to claim this is also a miracle. This is duplicity in full display. You initiallywere saying repositioning was not possible naturally now you want to claim it as a miracle too.

If there's a biological process that the body uses to do such things naturally, who programmed that process? It's just by accident and adaptation?

Bwahahahahaha! Na now you know that one bah. I hope you can clearly see how underhanded you are.

Whatever your theories are, it does not dispel that facts that:

1. God caused delays in the surgery to allow time for prayers to be answered. If this has happened to your child (God forbid), the child would have had surgery same day he or she was appointed. And, who knows what the results could have been. There are many who have died from less complicated matters than this. Give Glory to God!

2. By the time the surgery was to be done, the nail had already rotated unexpectedly because the mother prayed. Was the nail expected to harmlessly change orientation? NO. Nobody expected it. The mother herself was just asking God for intervention. She didn't know how God would do it. Infact, there's no guarantee that any change in orientation would be safe for the child!

This is just God. Give Glory to God! Yeah, we even have cases where such strange objects would disappear after prayers. But just because unlike this woman, most Christians don't do xrays to document issues, people like you would call it a lie. For example, when my daughter grew a tooth in an odd place, I didn't take pictures. I only prayed, smd the tooth changed direction. You can call that a lie if you want. All I know is that the tooth repositioned itself, and my daughter and her siblings who were around at the time are living witnesses of the miracle they experienced. Your own doubts and denials don't amount to anything. They do not stop Jesus from continuing to manifest Himself.

Nothing you say will erase the fact that foreign objects naturally reposition without prayer. You perfidious attempts to reframe it as miracle is so transparent.

So, my friend. Keep denying and allowing the devil to keep desceiving you. Hey, do not believe the Gospel, and keep calling Jesus names. Call God all types of unprintable names. You own your mouth but someone else owns your ife. That's why you don't have any authority or power to retain your life or determine the time you'll return to the grave? Why? Because it's not yours. You're living on a leased breath. Whenever the owner is ready, He'll take what is His, and then, by that time, though too late, your eyes would open in eternal regrets.

We are telling you all truth about our personal experiences with God. You keep validating your own lying fantasies and standing on false scientific premises that don't last.

Bwahahahahahaha! I successful showed that these are natural processes so the person with the lying fantasies here is you.

Irrespective of who actually has authority on this matter, it's is just bizarre to me that a non-elected official would be threatening an elected official.

FxMasterz:
So,you have only one case of someone who had a nail longitudinally inside a person who then passed it easily because the nail wasn't in a dangerous position in the tummy. The nail didn't even have to turn for it to be rejected. That has happened many times and does not require prayers to change anything.

It seems you didn't even see the difference in both cases. This is not a matter of just ingestimg a nail but that the nail established itself in a dangerous position and had to change orientation to be able to move out of the body. Otherwise, surgery is the only solution, and that could result in death. After the mother prayed, the nail turned 360° and came out without surgery.

You need to be able to produce a very similar occurrence to this to disprove this miracle

Anyone lost in a jungle can walk out of it unhurt. That wouldn't be a miracle but when that jungle is full of wild and dangerous beasts, any escape is a miracle.

Did you even look at the xrays? The nail rotated at least twice. In the 1st set of xrays the head is down, in the 2nd set it is up then in the 3rd set it is down again. And the 1st was taken 8 hrs after he swallowed it so we don't know if it rotated in that period.

Your incredulity is getting the better of you such that you cannot even see what's right in front of you.

FxMasterz:
You don't need to do much talking my friend.

I have produced evidence of a miracle that happened only after prayers.

Please produce evidence of nails turning 360° in a body without prayers. I mean one in which the sharp end suddenly turns upwards.

The question is how do you know it is a miracle?

Here is someone who ingested a nail and pooped it out: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8891944/

In this case the nail rotated at least twice. No prayers involved.

Gabrielshow24:
This is reaching. Foreign objects do not rotate by 180° due to peristalsis 🤔.

The only benefit of a doubt I can give you, is for you to somehow nullify the authenticity of the report😔. That I obviously leave to you😮‍💨.
When you have applied Occam's razor, kindly let me know.

The question is how do you know they don't? You incredulity is not evidence.

BTW look at this: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8891944/

Nail rotated at least twice.

FxMasterz:
You mean you are expecting me to say what you want me to say? Is that what you mean by saying your question was not answered?

No now, I have answered your questions. I gave you a comprehensive answer.

You avoided answering the question so as to not ruin your interpretation of this as a miracle.

Look at that nail very closely. It's sharp end faces downwards. Anyone who says there's a biological move that could make that sharp end face upwards is obviously a liar. Whatever turned that sharp end upwards is a miracle. You can only live in denial.

How do you know that?

Now, if you think that could happen without prayers, kudos to you. The doctors already wanted to operate the child. They never expected the nail to turn. Neither did the do anything to activate any biological process. As far as the doctors were concerned, the ONLY solution was surgery.

The doctors are there to be pragmatic and do the least harm, not wait for a situation to turn ugly before acting.

Now, the mother prayed and the entire situation changed. Satan is still whispering into your head that the situation that didn't change before prayer has now changed naturally. How long will you keep denying the truth of God while celebrating the lies Satan tells you daily?

How can we know it was the prayer that caused it if foreign objects naturally move and reposition in the human body?

FxMasterz:
And I gave you a comprehensive answer that says this one only moved when the mother prayed. We don't generalize like you atheists erroneously do. "Be one moved, all moves". Or, "Because one never moved, all never moved."

There are no generalizations. What we know is that this one never moved until the mother prayed.

When people don't want to answer a simple question it usually indicates to me that they know the answer will crush their argument. You aren't different here. You can see that you cannot lie and say it only moves when prayed on nor can you say yes it can move without prayer which will destroy your miracle take on this matter. LoLz.

eyesoflagos:
https://eyesoflagos.com/actress-sotayagaga-melts-hearts-as-she-celebrates-daughters-first-birthday/

All these people always hijacking their children's birthdays and making it about themselves.

Happy birthday to the little girl.

FxMasterz:
I've answered your question.

No you did not. The question again: Let's be clear are you saying they never move unless they are prayed on?

Quite a simple yes or no question.

FxMasterz:
Countless never moved until they die or have surgery.

This moved only after the mother prayed.

That is not the question I asked you. Please answer the question.

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Cheeseballz:
Thank you. I did my research. Biden said during the 2020 campaign that he would nominate a black woman for the supreme court. How is that not DEI?
In Nigeria you all complain of quota system and people being appointed not solely based on qualification but on tribe and you want the standards to be lowered for black people in America.

Explain to me what standard was lowered for Justice Ketanji Brown. Explain how she is NOT qualified to be a SC Justice.

Secondly, United airlines said they needed to increase the number of black and women pilots to about 50% from about 15% (please fact check me on this) to create diversity. Should pilots be hired based on that?
Charlie corrected someone who made this same accusation that you are making against him and said he did not say black people are unqualified to fly planes but he'd get uncomfortable because he'd be wondering if the black pilot got to the cockpit because he was excellent or because he was black.

Demonstrate to me any where any airline hired a pilot or promoted a pilot to captain just BECAUSE they are black.

Why are we not advocating for this kind of diversity in NBA or NFL? Because it would drop the standard of the sports game when you do that.

Do you think they recruit sportsmen based on the colour of their skin?

FxMasterz:
Foreign bodies that only moved after prayers did so because prayer influenced them.

Why didn't they ever move before prayer?

And if alien objects do change orientation and pass out naturally from bodies without surgeries, is that just an accident? Or a deliberate program by the Creator of the human body for humans' safety?

Let's be clear are you saying they never move unless they are prayed on?