FxMasterz:


Mohammed was not a worshipper of Jehovah, was he? Jehovah has a son. Allah has none. There's clear difference between the two.

Jehovah established a new covenant through Jesus. Mohammed rejected it, took parts of the laws of Moses, and then added his own to form a new religion.

The commandments of Jehovah are everlasting commandments. But the mode of administering justice has changed.

The law was broght by Moses, but Grace and Truth came through Jesus Christ.

Do.you mean to tell us that Mohammed understood Jesus more than the disciples of Jesus who were His direct proteges?

Lol

The same old story.

Keep the Faith though.

So, Jehovah delayed Grace till Jesus came? Lol

But made people lived thru his Laws pre Jesus time?

The Risibility of this Teaching alone.

Lol

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Go on Wikipedia and do a Research on Islam in Europe, America and Latin America. Edify yourself.

Dsimmer:


Aside Yahweh, Hebrew call God Elah, Elowah, Elohim El'Mareh which are similar to Yoruba's Ela, Oluwa, Olorun, Eledumare/Olodumare.

Meanwhile, Àyè or ìyè in Yoruba means "alive or I exist" which is the same meaning as Yahweh. In fact, Ifa always say Eriwoyah.

Lol

Hebrew call Elah?

Arabs call Allah too nah

And the Language that Jesus spoke call Elaha.

The difference is only in writing but vocalisation is basically the same.

You agree that the Hebrews and others are right but the Arabs are wrong yet all look and sounds alike.

Can't you see that you are twisted?

Dsimmer:


Why can't you answer the questions btw?

And why would I take an excuse of a man like Mohammed who's a criminal lunatic peadophile as an ideal man?

A criminal peadophile who knows next to nothing except sex and terrorism while promising a brothel in heaven? Lol. Anyone taking him serious is only trying to be funny. Lol.

Btw, the Arabs stole the Northern Africans lands while wiping them off.

Speaking of Jesus, do you even realise that Ifa talks about Jesus several times?

it mentioned the birth of the messiah (Ela), the Word who's the only begotten child to be born of a virgin woman. Also mentioned the death of (Ela) and how he spent 3 days and 3 nights in the grave before he came out . And then mentioned how God came to the world to pay the price for his creations.

From the look of it, Ifa belief system is similar to Christianity in the sense that it's centered around Olodumare who's a got an only begotten child which is his word, born of a virgin woman, died to pay the price for humans and resurrected on the third day. That's why Jesus is mysterious because Ifa also mentioned him as the Word and the Messiah who died and resurrected on the third day.

That being said, Ifa isn't only about its belief aspect but also, an educative and creative enlightenment platform.

Kindergarten stuff.

Lol.

Do you dolts believe in IFA ni that you are quoting IFA Corpus?

Lol. Go to IFA adherents and show them this and they will tell you that you simply high on Holy water.

Was your Jesus ever called Ela?

Now you have my attention now run along

FxMasterz:


Is Mohammed Allah? If Moses had ordered it, we would have condemned Moses. But Moses didn't, it was God who gave the order! Is Mohammed God that you're comparing Mohammed with Jehovah?

There was a mass murder of Jews by Mohammed. TenQ and Advocatejare should please help with the references. Mohammed sacked a whole Jewish town.

Look, Jehovah had physical punishment for people in the old testament when there was no promises of hell for evil doers.

After the Lord Jesus came, there is now Heaven and Hell. God no longer does physical punishment. That's one of the reasons why Jesus didn't apply the law of Moses for the woman caught in adultery. If Mohammed was indeed a continuation of the biblical prophetic order, he'll continue from where Jesus stopped. Not going back to Moses days when God has already earmarked Heaven and hell as places of rewards and condemnations respectively.

The "Mass" murder of Jews was the Kyber incident.

Research it on Wiki.

700 Fighting Men were executed and their Properties shared alongside women.

Research the incident.

Then come back and we talk about it.

FxMasterz:


Is Mohammed Allah? If Moses had ordered it, we would have condemned Moses. But Moses didn't, it was God who gave the order! Is Mohammed God that you're comparing Mohammed with Jehovah?

There was a mass murder of Jews by Mohammed. TenQ and Advocatejare should please help with the references. Mohammed sacked a whole Jewish town.

Look, Jehovah had physical punishment for people in the old testament when there was no promises of hell for evil doers.

After the Lord Jesus came, there is now Heaven and Hell. God no longer does physical punishment. That's one of the reasons why Jesus didn't apply the law of Moses for the woman caught in adultery. If Mohammed was indeed a continuation of the biblical prophetic order, he'll continue from where Jesus stopped. Not going back to Moses days when God has already earmarked Heaven and hell as places of rewards and condemnations respectively.

Jesus did not condemned that women simply because his Mission was to herald the coming of God's Kingdom on earth.

He also told you that he did not come to change Moses Laws but rather fulfill it.

And if that were true, why then did he let the woman go?

Prophet Muhammad also obeyed that instruction by having that Adulterer stoned.

Do you know why?

He RULES A STATE by Divine Command whereas Jesus was under the Rulership of another. Had he command that woman stoned, the Romans would have arrested him!

Which was exactly what those Jewish Reprobates wanted!

FxMasterz:


Is Mohammed Allah? If Moses had ordered it, we would have condemned Moses. But Moses didn't, it was God who gave the order! Is Mohammed God that you're comparing Mohammed with Jehovah?

There was a mass murder of Jews by Mohammed. TenQ and Advocatejare should please help with the references. Mohammed sacked a whole Jewish town.

Look, Jehovah had physical punishment for people in the old testament when there was no promises of hell for evil doers.

After the Lord Jesus came, there is now Heaven and Hell. God no longer does physical punishment. That's one of the reasons why Jesus didn't apply the law of Moses for the woman caught in adultery. If Mohammed was indeed a continuation of the biblical prophetic order, he'll continue from where Jesus stopped. Not going back to Moses days when God has already earmarked Heaven and hell as places of rewards and condemnations respectively.

Can you see the twisted logic already?

Jehovah says STONE ADULTERERS.

Jehovah also STATES that His Laws are ETERNAL/FOREVER.

Yet you blame and vilify the one that Carries out Jehovah Instructions and call him names and says he is from Satan yet you clap for the one who didn't carry out Jehovah Instructions.

Can you see you Christians twisted thinking and logic?

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It is an open secret that a thorough brainwashing exercise are usually embarked upon your young ones right from an early age.

Sunday School.

Cramming the Whole Quran is called Learning and not Brainwashing.

Jesus said Hear O Israel the Lord your God is One but what do you tell your young ones from early age? Lol

If you want to know the words you used on that Thread, feel free to revisit the Thread.

As for Europe and Islam believe what you want to, it doesn't change the Reality on ground that Europeans and Americans are coming to Islam in droves. Even Latin America

TenQ:

Show me one Christian praying for Jesus or the second coming of Jesus!
Another strawman loading: cant you do without false accusation?

Isn't you Muslims the one who daily continually pray for Mohammed?


Ignorance described in full is an underestimation of your folly.
There are indeed TWO Jerusalems
1. The Jerusalem here on Earth (the city of David)
2. The Jerusalem coming from Heaven (the heavenly city) - This is after the end of this world!

Rev 3:12
The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name.

Ezekiel 48:35
The perimeter of the city will be 18,000 cubits, and from that day on the name of the city will be: THE LORD IS THERE."

Revelation 21:2
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.



How can one Jerusalem be that of Isaac when Jerusalem didn't exist in the time of Isaac. Jerusalem became the capital of Israel during the reign of David king of Israel. Jerusalem was formally called Jebus and it was the city of the Jebusites.

If the premise is wrong, every other thing built on it is wrong sir. Mecca is cleansed forever!?
Who told you this?
Was it Mohammed or Allah?

Yes Mecca is Cleansed forever from Idolatory.

You want References from your Bible?

FxMasterz:


My friend. Moses first listened to God. God gave the judgment. Not Moses. This is different from the judgement Mohammed gave for a woman (not in adultery as in Moses' case) who rejected Mohammed's prophethood. There were many who rejected the prophethood of Moses in his days, Moses didn't order anyone to be killed.

Regarding the adulterers who were ordered by God to be stoned to death. There was first a law, then a warning of the consequences. The law was a constitution for the nation of Israel. Moses didn't bring religion like Mohammed did. Israel was a theocratic state. The laws were just the constitution of the land which helped in governing the land along the lines of God's rules in theocratic settings. It was not a religious setting per say.

I'm particularly about the woman Mohammed ordered to be killed. I'm not even talking about the other killings and the other bloods he shed.

Sir, think.

Jews were in their hundreds in Yathrib, why only one was singled out for Death for her unbelief in Prophet Muhammad but others roam free?

It was a Fabrication.

Jehovah told Moses to have the Sabbath breaker stoned.

The Prophet had a self confessed Adulterer stoned.

Christian logic. The First Scenario is good because Jehovah ordered it.

The second scenario is wrong because Prophet Muhammad was involved yet Jehovah's Law says Stone the Adulterers.

Can you see how twisted your Judgment is?

FxMasterz:


I have had a lengthy discussion with you on this topic of Mohammed being prophesied in the Bible before. All you said were based on ignorance and misinterpretation. I gave you sound biblical exegesis on all the scriptures you errornously quoted. You got angry and started calling me 'Werey dino'. I remember it very clearly.

Look, in Christiendom, we're not brainwashed. We're allowed to know God personally, ask questions and verify our convictions. You can't be a believer without evidence of the God you serve.

Forget norninal christians who go to church but don't know God. Those ones are just as ignorant as Muslims. Advocatejare and TenQ are not reprobates. They quote your books and ask you questions you cannot answer. Questions your alfas would threaten you to shut up about.

Europeans are not joining Islam in droves. There's no evidence for such claims. Rather, Muslims are invading Europe and unleashing on those nations.

In Christianity, I am afraid you are all brainwashed.

Lol

Yes we have had discussion in the past and I can confidently say all your exegesis were from position of ignorance and misinterpretation of sacred Text.

Well I remember I used the word Wereydinho but for completeness why not include the words you used too?

Muslims are invading Europe? Really? Well, you are free to believe what you choose to believe. You have every right to that but it is simply laughable to think and believe that the Almighty Europe and America are allowing Muslims to invade them.

Simply laughable.

Ken4Christ:


John was always with Jesus. He was the disciple Jesus loved so much. Aside John, Matthew is the only author of one of the gospel who was also a disciple of Jesus.

The first three gospel focused more on the works of Jesus. John focused more on the person of Jesus. The other authors were not always with Jesus. John even on one occasion rested on the breast of Jesus. So, he was that close to him to capture sensitive statements made by Jesus. He even remarked that if all that Jesus did were to be recorded, that the books on earth would not contain it.

So, John 3:16 is not the only verse in John that are not in the other gospel. They are too many to mention. But I am telling you it's because John was the closest to Jesus. And I am sure he told him many things others don't know about and he was with Jesus everywhere he went.

The Four Gospels were all copying from one Source.

The difference you see in them is only in tune with what they perceive Jesus mission to be.

Everyone writes what suits there own group. That's why it was only John that wrote about the Coming of the Comforter/Holy Spirit others believe that spirit has been with them since. Luke even wrote that the Disciples received the Holy Spirit when Jesus was sending them out to preach the coming Kingdom of God.

I can show you hundreds of discrepancies in their Accounts.

For starters, check out the names of Jesus Disciples in all the Gospel. They are just 12 but the 4 Gospel didn't agree on their names!

FxMasterz:


Let me invite TenQ and Advocatejare for clarification.

I don't think the story was a fabrication. I think it's written in one of the hadiths you call sahih. And, Mohammed killed many Jews and even instructed that Jews and Christians should be pursued and killed.

I'm surprised that you first justified Mohammed's killings by saying Moses, David and Solomon did the same. Only for you to now turn around again to say the hadith was fabricated.

They are fabrication.

When I alluded to killings, I was referring to the incident where it is said that The Prophet ordered the killing of a self confessed Adulterer.

Moses also had a man stoned to death on the order of Jehovah for breaking the Sabbath.

Moses went to War, Solomon did, David also warred. People were killed.

You guys would justify those killings because it was ordered by Jehovah but would shout blue murder when it was the Muslim and the Prophet seemingly doing the same thing.

If anyone were to be killed for not believing in Prophet Muhammad, it won't be just one woman for there were thousands of Jews in Medina who though waiting for the coming of a Prophet amongst the Flocks of Kedar in Tema (Medina) but never believed in Prophet Muhammad. Hundreds would have been killed if that was the case.

FxMasterz:


The Bible already prophesied that Jews would reject Jesus. That didn't come to us as a surprise. Also, the Bible told us the exact moment when Jews would return to God. So, we understand that very clearly. The Bible also made us to know why God decided to cut off the Jews at this time and engraft them later on.

What explanation do you have for Mohammed who came to distort the history of the Jews? The Historical accounts that were written by David's and Solomon s Scribes (whom you even recognize as prophets) which were vetoed by them were grossly distorted by Mohammed. A self professed prophet who lived over 2,000yrs afterwards claimed that the prophets who were eye witnesses of their own accounts were wrong.

Please look into it without any religious bias.

I have read the Bible and believe me the part where it is said that Jews will reject him are in the New Testament.

Funny enough, the Part that the Arabs will believe in Prophet Muhammad Mission and the success of his Mission is explicitly stated in the Bible.

I can show you dozens of references. Dozens!

As for the Jews. They play Fast and loose with their Light. The Pens of their Scribes are Lying Pens.

Moses called them Stiffnecks, One Prophet called them Aholah and Aholibah. Whores!

Read Isaiah and see what he has to say about these people.

We all know the Treatment they Gave Jesus.

Prophet Muhammad spoke thru inspiration and all that he said about them are confirmed by their own Prophet.

All!

I laugh when I see Nairaland Christians venerate these Reprobates.

They are the reason (Majorly) why you are not a Muslims!

The Lying Pens of their Scribes.

If you want to discuss it, I am open for such.

Why do you think Europeans are coming to Islam in droves? No Miracles, no promise of wealth, but they are becoming Muslims.

They are seeing thru the Lies and misinformation and misinterpretation of the Bible.

Come let's unlearn and relearn what we have all been indoctrinated with.

FxMasterz:


There's no divine law that says a person must be killed for not believing in a prophet.

Can you give me examples from Moses, David and Solomon where they killed people for not believing in their prophethood?

Lol.

No one was Killed for not believing in the Prophethood of the Arabian Prophet for if that were true no Jewish person will remain in Medina when he lived.

Jews came to him for adjudication. Jews formed alliances with him. No one was killed.

The story you posted of a woman being tied to a Camel is just a fabrication

FxMasterz:


I didn't lie against Mohammed. He killed people and also commanded Muslims to kill. The story of the Jewish woman he tied to two Carmela just because the woman rejected his prophethood is a painful story each time I remember it.

Why can't Mohammed give her proof of his prophethood instead of killing her?

It is true that in the cause of Governing Medina (Called Tema in the Bible) those who went against the Divine Laws had to be Judged and you and I know how drastic such Laws are, people died.

The same can be said of Moses, David and Solomon. You pick no offense with Moses, David but with Muhammad.

I know it is hard for you but try and be fair

FxMasterz:


Would you show me where he did? It's funny that you even think you know the Bible more than the Christians themselves. Just like Mohammed knows the history of the Jews more than the Jews themselves.

Of course I can show you but would you believe it?

For over 2,000+ now, Christians have been showing Jesus to the Jews in the Old Testament they have read for over 3,000+ years, what has been the Result?

They maintained he was a False One, you would say the same.

Nevertheless, I can show you.

Dozens of References in your Bible pointing to the mission of the Arabian Prophet.

Dozens!

advocatejare:

The way you Mohammedans display your ignorance with pride is amazing. John 3:16 is the direct speech of Jesus.


Same can’t be said of your Quran which is the speech of the jinn that pinned Muhammad down thrice in the cave. Allah never spoke directly to Muhammad yet to lie that your Quran is the words of Allah when in actual sense it’s the words of Jinn Jibreel and lies of Muhammad!

Retardinho, that statement was not from Jesus but bout it has been repeated many times during your brainwashing exercises that you believed it to be so.

That Statement was only recorded in John and not in Mark, Luke or Mathew.

Were they sleeping when Jesus said that? Or the holy spook forgot to inspire those words in them for publication?

Think Retard. Think....

Ken4Christ:


You call it a lie because it doesn't agree with your belief. You don't have the legal right to call it a lie because you were not there. Those who saw Jesus and heard him preach wrote their independent account. And the account of the four witnesses agree. And in the court of law, two or more witnesses can establish a case.

What witness or evidences do you have that suggest it's a lie? If you can't provide any evidence, please remain silent on this subject.

It was a Lie and you know it.

Why was it only John's Gospel that have the Statement we have in John 3';16?

Why not in the they synoptic of Mark, Mathew and Luke?

Or are they not listening when Jesus was supposed to have uttered those words?

Ken4Christ:


We are following Jesus and also learning divine truth revealed by Jesus to Apostle Paul.

You follow Paul but bears Christians only.

FxMasterz:


Jesus didn't confirm any last prophet. These are all lies.

He did but you are too blind and opinionated too see it.

Clearly stated in your Bible.

Ken4Christ:


Off course it is. It's on red letter. Words on red letter are free the very lips of Jesus.

You know that's a Lie.

FxMasterz:


I didn't abuse. I stated facts as written in your books.

Matthew 12:35-37 (KJV) A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

FxMasterz:


Were you there to discredit him? All can't do that since he's a dead god. So, you think it's impossible for God to dine with His saints?

Adeboye is in all manner far better than the Terroristic called Mohammed whom you worship. While Adeboye has been mightily used of God to bless and help many lives, Mohammed was used of Satan to kill and destroy many people.

You are one funny man.

Any seemingly attack on Adeboye, you in turn abuse The Prophet.

Change your ways.

[b]Matthew 12:35-37 (KJV) A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account [/b]thereof in the day of judgment.
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Lukgaf:
Eid Mubarak!

May the blessings of Allah be upon us, and may we continue to experience the joyous occasion of Eid throughout our lives. May our faith remain strong, and may we be blessed with abundance in wealth and good health.

Wishing you a joyful and blessed Eid!

Ameen.

Eid Mubarak brother.

Arsenal 3 - Bayern 0.

Let's do this boys!

ImoleNaija:
Lagos Island buildings get as e be. They hardly leave breathing space, so I won't be surprised if fire outbreak goes beyond control.

13 houses.

Ken4Christ:


Mohammed said he doesn't know what will become of him and his followers. That he is just a warner - Sura 46:9

It means that your destiny in Islam is not guaranteed. You are left at the mercy of Allah.

Is that not a risk?

But in Christ we are certain of our destiny.

Jesus said that, 'For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life' John 3:16.

Jesus is sure of who is is, where he is coming from and where he is going. But your Mohammed is not sure of where he is going to and even you that is following. Please, follow who knew road.

John 3:16 was not Jesus Speech.

That was someone thoughts on Jesus.

Ken4Christ:


But your book says that Allah will make those who follow or believe in Jesus to be supreme over those who don't follow or believe in Jesus - Sura 3:55.

Are you Christians following Jesus or Paul?

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Ken4Christ:
I truly love all Muslims and I admire their devotion to what they believe. Please, can I get answers to the questions below!

1. What is your conviction that Mohammed is truly a Prophet from God? Please be sincere with your answers.

2. Why didn't the Quran give us details about the life of Mohammed? I understand his name was only mentioned four times.

3. What is the hope of all Muslims considering the statement made by Mohammed himself in Sura 46:9

4. Jesus is mentioned in the Quran as Messiah 11 times. What does the word Messiah mean to the Muslim?

1. Many stuff. His Life, his Teachings, the impacts, his Companions. Many many stuff.

2. There are details of his Life in the Quran but but if you mean his birth, early Life and his Prophetic Life, those can be found in a Separate Volume.

3. There are dozens of Verses in the Quran that explicitly state the State of believers on Judgment Day and their Rewards from Allah.

4. Yes Issa ibn Maryam mentioned as the Masih but he was for the Children of Israel and definitely not for me!

Ken4Christ:


Meet him where? So, No Muslim on Nairaland can answer these basic questions.

Your questions have been answered severally on this Forum.

Simply because you are not satisfied with the answers doesn't mean the questions have not been answered.

Iberl:
I doubt if that will happen. Because the whole Europe seems to be behind Israel on this

Europe is solidly behind them because they don't want them within Europe.

It might sound weird but check thru history and see the way Europe have treated the Jews thru the ages.

That's why Europe conspired to send them back to Judea and these jews emboldened by this act which they never thought possible began to grab Palestinian Lands.

Europe will support them to the end because they have witnessed first hand what they are capable of doing.

It is good riddance.