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hi all

what is the use of prooving to someone whose mind is made up on an issue? please this is what peter said

1 Pet 3:15
15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
(KJV)

he said reason not argue the reason of my hope. Remember Jesus Christ doesnt have to prove to the Pharisees that He resurrected. He finally said that blessed is anyone that believes even though He has not seen becos it is given to those that grace has been given to understan.

for instance, i cant use scientific tools to prove love yet i know love. so i dont have to prove anything, if u believe good if you dont its upto you

JESUS CHRIST IS GOD!!!

hi all

what is the use of prooving to someone whose mind is made up on an issue? please this is what peter said

1 Pet 3:15
15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
(KJV)

he said reason not argue the reason of my hope. Remember Jesus Christ doesnt have to prove to the Pharisees that He resurrected. He finally said that blessed is anyone that believes even though He has not seen becos it is given to those that grace has been given to understan.

for instance, i cant use scientific tools to prove love yet i know love. so i dont have to prove anything, if u believe good if you dont its upto you

JESUS CHRIST IS GOD!!!

hi all

what is the use of prooving to someone whose mind is made up on an issue? please this is what peter said

1 Pet 3:15
15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
(KJV)

he said reason not argue the reason of my hope. Remember Jesus Christ doesnt have to prove to the Pharisees that He resurrected. He finally said that blessed is anyone that believes even though He has not seen becos it is given to those that grace has been given to understan.

for instance, i cant use scientific tools to prove love yet i know love. so i dont have to prove anything, if u believe good if you dont its upto you

JESUS CHRIST IS GOD!!!

Hi balowo
oh common don't worry take it easy now? i have the choice of stating my believe whether you accept it or not. moreover the above finding (?) was not researched by you so you cannot hurry me be patient bros.

Well as I earlier said, the very purpose of which atheist hold such a belief is to first of all prove that God does not exist and secondly, what Christians believe as the physical evidence of God, i.e the scripture is a lie. Well that is the opinion and convictions of atheist.
But let me repeat what He said by inspiration through Paul

Rom 3:3-4
3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
4 God forbid: yea, l[b]et God be true, but every man a liar;[/b] as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. (KJV)

moreover, the reason of no belief in God nor His scripture is “Lets eat and drink and tomorrow we die”.

1 Cor 15:32
32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.
(KJV)

In other words, lets live as we choose with no concern about God, then after all we have done, we are just going to die. So this is the pattern of lie from the pit of Hell through atheist.

Now the coreness of the above question is to cast doubt at the very foundation of my belief in God which is the resurrection of Christ from the death, which you intend to prove that it’s a myth copied from Egyptian mythology. Well, again this is not new, Paul was also confronted about the resurrection of Christ, as in our day

1 Cor 15:12-58
12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. (KJV)
so we see here that he has stated that if it be true that Christ did not die but a myth as you claim it to be, then my faith is vain and I am still in my sin and of all men most miserable if my hope in Christ is only in this life. But Thank God he states:

But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

So here I am assured that Christ did resurrect and if I die I will surely resurrect so I will not be an atheist who believe in living for this life only and “tomorrow they die” but look forward to the after life.

Now this is in no way to change the topic but to state “Let God be True and every man a liar” that is in this situation of mythology, I have a belief that Christ resurrected from the dead and as we continue in the discussion we will see who is the liar because the Egyptian mythology and the resurrection of Christ cannot be both [/b]true. So take solace in the fact that God in us is more than able to answer.


1 Cor 1:18-31
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
[b](just as atheist today seek)
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; (and also to atheist stumblingblock and foolishness)
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
(KJV)

1 Cor 3:18-23
18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
(I have choosen to be a fool then be wise)
19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.
21 Therefore let no man glory in men.
(I will not glory in atheist just mere men)
For all things are yours;
22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours;
23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.
(KJV)

so i will take my time to answer,

hi bawol
lol, typical christian cop-out. rather than counter a different viewpoint, u scream ignorance. i think someone has been backed to a corner. my next thread should be about noah's ark.

hello bawol

well no one is cornered we are taking our time to read wat u put up and trusting God for your answer. dont think we are intimidated or whatever but this will afford us the opportunity to straighten the records for you. well i really know u are out to still prove that God doesnt exist but dont worry it will soon be over. moreover it has already been written of our times
Dan 12:4
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
(KJV)

so we are not at all intimidated we are in such a time.

@all athiest
hi there, well i sat down to ask the rationale behind the question and wat i came to see is the athiest idea : God does not exist.

@christian
so please christians as you answer this thread remember, that their aim is to prove God does not exist hence prayer cannot work so let your answer be under the inspiration of The Spirit of God in you and not mere head knowledge.

nhmmm! so what do u want us to know?
hmmmm! ok keep sending your darts but the shield of faith will always stop it dead on its track cos we know that in Eph 6;
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
(KJV)

so all athiest you are welcome and remember He who began a good work in those that believe will complete it so keep trying _{cos that is wat u can do} but the One that inspired men to write the Bible will defend it.

@POSTER
I was disgusted by that utteranc of the so call archibsihop. before he should have said that some parts of the sharia be included in the brits constit, he should have said that there should be a freedom of association, speeech, bible etc in saudi arabia and thier likes before such can be implemented in brit. and as some one ritely said they want to use democracy to implement sharia but would not allow democracy to reign among them.

so if anyone here can speak to the archbishop, please inform him of the above
thanks

@olabowale

good morning, well i feel this thread actually is against the existence of God not against which god or gods. thus implying we are facing a common front from the same source atheist, so please lets take the discusion of God between us to another thread and mayb discuss it latter but now lets consentrate on the common front ATHIEST.

@all + the APE creatures(evolutionsit) note accordig to kag

we are waiting.


you see what i see in this thread is that there are technical and non technical respondent to this question of evolution.

technical like sysuser, stimulus etc who do a lot of technical analysis of the fallacies of evolution while the not so technical ask simple questions like WHAT IS THE ORIGIN OF MATTER , fermous higgs etc like me. but by and large we all come to conclusion that evolution theory is another lie from hell against the word of God. but rememeber what Jesus said "The gates of hell shall not prevail against work of God" my paraphrased. and at the end all Glory must be to God and not to us.

so please all u descendant of APES please repent of this sin, beleieve in Jesus Christ as your Saviour so that you may be saved and only then will you see yourself for what God has made you to be Image of God and not apes that evolution has made you to believe.

moreover, i beleieve God knew of this lie of evolution that is why He stated that the thing He reveals in His word are what we need to know and those He has not revealed are His and His alone. so if u try to understand where He came from the answer is

@all
If God loves all his children equally, why would he support the persecution of homosexuals that were born that way. poor translation of the bible from the original aramaic/greek/hebrew versions have led people to think homosexuality is condemed. how can a naturally occuring act be condemned if God was responsible for the creation??

there's no part in the bible were same-sex marriage is condemned. the bible only rightfully condemns sexual acts among men and little boys. the translation of the bible has distorted the truth. the bible's comment about same-sex relations were inspired by cultural reasons and not by "God"

now i see wat i rightly said in one of the evolutionsit thread that thier aim of raising such issue of denying the existence of God is to allow them opportuity to yield themselves into watever activities as long as they dont have a CONSCIENCE that condemns them.

hi bawol

you trying to understand God? well i still am asking "wat is the origin of matter"?

@kag
thanks but please u have not answered this

kag: I already answered it. And the question isn't a simple one.
me: so the question of the origin of matters, fermious higgs etc is difficult to ANSWER and not a simple one??

kag: quantum instability can cause virtual particles to arise from nothing.
me: wooow wooow woooooooow so from NOTHING uhh am i not seeing belief in action here doesnt this sound biblical?

Heb 11:3
3   Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
(KJV)

kaaaaaaaaaag kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag kkkaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagggggggggggggg ggg    


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4. What causes the repulsive gravitation pull,

Kag: No idea.

me: i tot you are the great evolutionsit, the APE that ansers and you say no idea, ? see what you said

quoted kag Furthermore, there has to be a clear and logical link between material observations and the application of those observations to something intagible, for the argument to be accepted as a logical one.

me: so where is the link between what casues repulsive gravitaional pull you stated?
oh how absurd please try again.

kag: we'd have to conclude that based on our wider experience, the thing termed God must also be a mindless force
me: so are u trying to accept that there is a God who u think is mindless  after what around us is a doing of AN INTELLIGENT BEING ?

kag:
The idea that something cannot come from nothing is one that is based soley on our experiences in the macroscopic world. While the idea is an understandable one, it presupposes that the universe works only in ways amenable to our intuitions. Scientific discoveries, however, have shown that that sort of anthropomorphic thing is flawed. The same goes with the idea of the impossibility of something coming from nothing.

Virtual particles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_particle) are a very good example of something coming from nothing. They also indicate how quantum fluctuations my occur, and how strange, from the human perspective, the quantum world and the universe is.

While it is certain which of the models in the various theories that go beyond the big bang is completely right, we can ascertain that it is possible for quantum fluctuations to give rise to a smething, a singulrity, that can possible expand.

me : are you still insisting that SOMETHING can come from NOTHING?

@bowaol
as suspected, the creationist go back to personal insults. hey when all else fails, assasinate your opponents character  .

hello but if wat u rote is about my addressing u as an APE offends your sensibility, sorry but that is what kag said "HUMAN ARE APES" _EVOLUTIOIST. SO if i address you as such i am not insulting you but calling you as you are else if you dont want then you are the image of God hence accept that you are created by God. feeel me?

i[b] read through the radiometric article but i didnt see it discusiing the scientific instrument used to determine the origin of matter which is what i want to hear from you. so kindly give me am waiting[/b]

@seun
Buhahaha. Atheist kids don't get pregnant that easily. They use contraceptives.
It's the church kids who get knocked up because they can't be seen buying contraceptives

i beg to disagrree on that.

@poster
i have a broda who chose to leave home for the past 10 years or so but recently he has become sober and contrite and wants to come home, what is the lesson, just like the prodigal child who choose his way, if she insist let her, but continue to pray and trust God's Spirit which i believe you have in you and let her be. strssing her will make her run to the worldd the more trust the Spirit of God to express His love thru you in prayer, care love etc towards her and i hope in due time she would come to her sense and say like the prodigal son Luke 15:17
17 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!
(KJV)
Luke 15:18-20
18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,
19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.
20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.(KJV)

and you wil be happy becos of what the Spirit of God has done remeber if the heart of king is in His hand, then what of the heart of a 13yr old ?

@seun
Buhahaha. Atheist kids don't get pregnant that easily. They use contraceptives.
It's the church kids who get knocked up because they can't be seen buying contraceptives

i beg to disagrree on that.

@poster
i have a broda who chose to leave home for the past 10 years or so but recently he has become sober and contrite and wants to come home, what is the lesson, just like the prodigal child who choose his way, if she insist let her, but continue to pray and trust God's Spirit which i believe you have in you and let her be. strssing her will make her run to the worldd the more trust the Spirit of God to express His love thru you in prayer, care love etc towards her and i hope in due time she would come to her sense and say like the prodigal son Luke 15:17
17 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!
(KJV)
Luke 15:18-20
18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,
19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.
20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.(KJV)

and you wil be happy becos of what the Spirit of God has done remeber if the heart of king is in His hand, then what of the heart of a 13yr old ?

@kag
How many times is this now? At least we now know for certain why you arealways handwaving away posts. No, not every effect has a cause. Radioactive decay, for example, doesn't. Virtual particles are another example. Maybe this time you'll notice the answers. Fingers crossed.
oh so one of the laws is wrong in some instance and right in another instance? i tot laws were the answer to everything?

Biological evolution - as the name implies - is a component of living things. It started with the imperfect replication of living organisms.  
hi there Mr APe but another ape(bawol)  said that matter consist of living and non living which makes up the evolution theory but wat you are saying contradicts what he said in another thread.

higgs It really, really is a complex science
oooo so its complex science and its hard for you to understand? all he asked is its origin period and just give us its origin in black and white words since u understand it.

I already answered it. And the question isn't a simple one.
so the question of the origin of matters, fermious higgs etc is difficult to ANSWER and not a simple one??

quantum instability can cause virtual particles to arise from nothing.
wooow wooow woooooooow so from NOTHING uhh am i not seeing belief in action here doesnt this sound biblical?

Heb 11:3
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
(KJV)

kaaaaaaaaaag kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag kkkaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaggggggggggggggggg


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4. What causes the repulsive gravitation pull,

No idea.

i tot you are the great evolutionsit, the APE that ansers and you say no idea, ? see what you said

Furthermore, there has to be a clear and logical link between material observations and the application of those observations to something intagible, for the argument to be accepted as a logical one.
so where is the link between what casues repulsive gravitaional pull you stated?
oh how absurd please try again.

we'd have to conclude that based on our wider experience, the thing termed God must also be a mindless force
so are u trying to accept that there is a God who u think is mindless after wat around us is a doing of AN INTELLIGENT BEING

[b]Quote from: SysUser on Today at 12:20:03 PM
1.lack of understanding
2. not intelligent
3. not very bright,

KAG, temper temper, bro!  

I'm not angry, I'm just pointing out as is.


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You don't have to try and TASER me with derogatory words, THE DICTIONARY MIGHT SOON BE EXHAUSTED OF DEROGATORY WORDS AT THE RATE YOU ARE GOING.

That's why we have reiteration.


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, amount of whining you're displaying, , now that's a good "new" one, KEEP COMING UP WITH YOUR MELODRAMATIC STATEMENTS, THEY ARE QUITE FOR COMMUNICATION, DON'T YOU THINK!

Its funny I had thought we had already started discussing evolution,   NAAHAAAAAHH  , KAGS MUST FIND HIS IQ SOULMATE FIRST FOR IT TO BE CONSIDERED A DISCUSSION, my mistake!

Copy/pastes and subsequent ignoring of responses do not an argument make.


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kAG, LET'S TRY AND WORK ON THAT TEMPER, so now sing along with me;, I WILL PRETTY, ALL SO PRETTY,AM SO HAPPY, I FEEL FUNNY, ALL SO FUNNY,

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hi please KAG please lets be objective i see you are trying to discuss some personnal isues wit sysuser, could you try and forget it and asnwer us, remember we are discusiing about the origin of matter maybe afterward we will allow you to settle "scores" with sysuser later. please anser us.

I responded on the "antedescent" of the Big Bang in a previous post; Your question is built on false premises that I address abiove; Read what I wrote again

i like the way you make reference to post, could you just create a link to such so i cant be lost and understand it in relation to the subject? and dont be tired we are educating ourselves thank you

@bawol
welcome ape man _{please forum i dont mean to be derogatory becos kag agreed that all evolutiosit are ape so permit me to address him as such and hope he is not offened}

now if the radiometic watever was used to determine the age of the earth, can it be used to determine the origin of matter, if not what can be used.
thanks for the

@kag
Humans are apes.
Taaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! so you are an APE i gues a big ape

"Matter is composed of elementary fermions, which makes protons and neutrons matter by definition; and protons and neutrons are composed of [three] quarks respectively. So basically, quark clumps are what make up basic matter. I should mention that matter is basically anything that has mass and fermions. What’s the origin of fermions?

Particles, which is what fermions are, and anti-particles are created when energy fluctuates at the most quantum level. The two collide with each other usually, and return to energy, however inflation can result in a repulsive gravitational pull, which causes the particle and anti-particle to be ripped apart before they can collide, which results in free particles – fermions.


Fermions interacted with the Higgs field and gained mass, which resulted in matter.

That's as brief and precise as I can make it, feel free to pick up a book on it or something. Kudos to R. Lippens as well."

you try should i be free to address you as Mr APE man and you can address me as God's IMage. which one sounds good/honourable to the ear
but wait bawol said that in another thread that there is no concrete explanation about its origin so how come u say the origin of matter is fermoius una no ther contradict una self, abi una no research well nay or wat?

ok as u said so fermious make up matter abi? so the so call R. Lippen as you refered to, was he there when such happened and how did he know all this? and wat period or time was he when such occured?
now since matter was made of fermoius, what is the origin of fermoins and is it a living or non living thing to be able to form matter?


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so with all the various scientific tools they are not able to determin the origin of matter yet same tools can determine the age of the earth? and go ahead to say they are descendants of apes it gives me some creeps

Different mechanisms wre used to determine those things.

ok good so diffrent mechanism were used abi, ok what are the scientifc tools used to determoin it could you list them for us please?

@kag
Humans are apes.
Taaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! so you are an APE i gues a big ape

"Matter is composed of elementary fermions, which makes protons and neutrons matter by definition; and protons and neutrons are composed of [three] quarks respectively. So basically, quark clumps are what make up basic matter. I should mention that matter is basically anything that has mass and fermions. What’s the origin of fermions?

Particles, which is what fermions are, and anti-particles are created when energy fluctuates at the most quantum level. The two collide with each other usually, and return to energy, however inflation can result in a repulsive gravitational pull, which causes the particle and anti-particle to be ripped apart before they can collide, which results in free particles – fermions.


Fermions interacted with the Higgs field and gained mass, which resulted in matter.

That's as brief and precise as I can make it, feel free to pick up a book on it or something. Kudos to R. Lippens as well."

you try should i be free to address you as Mr APE man and you can address me as God's IMage. which one sounds good/honourable to the ear

great so fermious make up matter abi? so the so call R. Lippen as you refered to, was he there when such happened and how did he know all this? and wat period or time was he when such occured?
now since matter was made of fermoius, what is the origin of fermoins and is it a living or non living thing to be able to form matter?

@sysuser
So can you please tell me how the matter and energy came to be (in the first place), before your random chance of biological evolution started.

please ask them oh my brother, i have been asking them esp bawol to please explain the origing of matter and he keeps dodging it and finally says there is no concrete evidence of matter. so with all the various scientific tools they are not able to determin the origin of matter yet same tools can determine the age of the earth? and go ahead to say they are descendants of apes it gives me some creeps

@kag and bawol

i appreciate ur effort to prove that you are a descendant of an APE which happen to appear by chance from a big bang millions of years that no one was there to phanthom, for me i am a descendent of adam and eve made by a Higher Intelligence called God which is after His image. i wish you would take the time to re read the bible again with a open mind for u can know Him just by believeing His word.
i ask myself why dis discourse on evolution and i realise is that man dont want to acknowledge God so that S/he can do as they please just like animals do as they please. for instance a chick can grow up and still climb its mom. i dont mean to insult you but please when u see yourself as a descendant of an ape you tend to leave just as you please which can almost be equal to animals.

@kag and bawol

i appreciate ur effort to prove that you are a descendant of an APE which happen to appear by chance from a big bang millions of years that no one was there to phanthom, for me i am a descendent of adam and eve made by a Higher Intelligence called God which is after His image. i wish you would take the time to re read the bible again with a open mind for u can know Him just by believeing His word.
i ask myself why dis discourse on evolution and i realise is that man dont want to acknowledge God so that S/he can do as they please just like animals do as they please. for instance a chick can grow up and still climb its mom. i dont mean to insult you but please when u see yourself as a descendant of an ape you tend to leave just as you please which can almost be equal to animals.

let me give u a scripture to inform u what He had said not me about people like you,

still i want you to read it just i have taken the time to read your reference
Rom 1
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. i don't have to try, He is the one that does that
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
(KJV)

the bible was written by men. how do u know some mystical figure that can't COMMUNICATE in human terms was able to write the bible

ok so your evolution theory was written by MATTER abi? take the time to read the above to see what i have quoted just as you quote from your source.


uptil now you have not convince me about the origin of matter

it's strange u refuse to read about abogenesis, probably because that would sway your beliefs. there is no concrete explanation of the origin of matter.
oh thats wat u think? well if you can prove by giving me a concrete evidence of the origin of matter then i will take the time read more on abogenisi

different scientific theories are available in journal. there's one thing we know for sure. a collision/explosion was involved in the creation of earth.

oh for sure abi? so its not matter but some collision/explusion that brought about the earth ehh?
it's funny how u want to be convinced but refuse to convince anyone other than using bible passages that have been known to be historically inaccurate.

great u use wat you believe human theories to try and make me see your way and am i not free to show you from where i believe the bible?

the theory is that matter has always existed. the reaction of matter leads to the creation and destruction of planetary bodies.

uptil now you have not convince me about the origin of matter all u are saying is it has always existed blah blah. if you can't phantom or imagine where it existed from, all u have been saying slips to the oblivion of my inert mind to be forgotten for all i care. and if u want to simply know where God comes from, you have to be able to convince me where matter comes from. and don't think i am walking on assupmtion because i know Him and this is only through faith so if u want to prove him using human ideology or scientific theory etc sorry u may never know.
let me give u a scripture to inform u what He had said not me [/i]about people like you,

Rom 1
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. [i]i don't have to try, He is the one that does that
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
(KJV)

so friend you can shout u appeared because there was a big bang or you evolved from some where, that wouldnt change what i believe i was created by God period. call me one sided, i don't care but hope you take time to "evolve" .

and before i forget, could you take time to read the Bible just as we have taken time to go through your reference to see if we can be convinced to be "made from some matter that has been existin"

take care

@bawol
the burden of proof is bound on the proponents of a new idea to show that it's true. the job of the atheist is to attack the shoddy beliefs of theists. the only proof theists have is "faith". how do u bring up physical evidence against "faith" especially involving an abstract entity. what are the parameters for which we can test the existence of God??. if so, bring it on. the tables have been turned brother

so you dont have faith abi?

it seems you are asking about the existence of God? well i think i have a simple question for you.

xtian: do you breathe in air?
atheist: yes

xtian: do you see the air you breathe?
atheist: no

xtian: do you see the evidnce of the air around us?
atheist: yes

conclusion: so the air does not exist becos i dont see it.

hi bawol
i am still asking you in the other thread, where did matter come from? how did it come to exist?

click on the link at the bottom on 5 koran.

@ bawol
# Creationists who use this claim fail to note that the snails lived in an environment that did not have access to atmospheric C14 (a pool formed from a limestone sinkhole). The C14 that the snails did have access to was dissolved out of the limestone, itself, and as a result, was "old" C14.

if using c14 u could determine the age of the earth, how come it is impossible to deterine a snail that lives in a pool fromed from a limestone sinkhole? is the pool not part of the earth?

[b]# The scientist didn't measure the living snails themselves. He measured their shells. [/b]The whole point is that the process through which the mollusks builds its shell (taking carbon from the water it lives in and NOT the atmosphere) doesn't "reset" the C14 "timer".

again same question is the shell not part of the snail, so why didnt the reading give an accurate figure?

@bawol

ok matter is both living and non living things abi?
ok now what made matter or rather how did matter come to exist? and yes u may simplify as further as you can for the forum to understand as much as possible.

what are u talking about?? this is a topic about evolution and creation not about manufacturing balls. maybe u should ask a factory worker about that.
great that is nice u have acknowledged a factory work. so with common sense we agree that a ball was made or created by the factory worker. Now look at the definition of create
acording to answers.com
cre·ate (kr-t)
tr.v. cre·at·ed, cre·at·ing, cre·ates
1. To cause to exist; bring into being. See Synonyms at found1.
2. To give rise to; produce: That remark created a stir.
3. To invest with an office or title; appoint.
4. To produce through artistic or imaginative effort: create a poem; create a role.
adj. Archaic
Created.

so if a factory worker can create/make a ball, then look at this intricate, beautiful world and you will tell me that there is nobody [/b]that made it but just appears? oh com'on think my friend.

[b]great, now can u explain how this "thing" came into existence.

ok so u agree that "it" exist abi?

yes matter has always existed and continues to react. we wouldn't have volcanoes or tornadoes if matter was unable to react. i never said matter transformed FROM something, i said energy is transformed from ONE form to energy. do i have to state the ist and 2nd laws of thermodynamics to make myself clearer??

if matter has always existed then wat u said about evolution theory contradicts it evolution theory deals with how living things transform since matter exist as a living thing

i said energy is transformed from ONE form to energy.
now since u are made up of energy, so can u transform from ur present state as man to another creature? thus supporting wat u said?

i never said the two aren't' the same. are u making up accusations to divert the main topic. how did God come into existence and create the earth.


nope listen to wat u said "evolution theory has nothing to do with creation. evolution theory deals with how living things transform [/b]and not how living things were created. go ask physicists about creation, [b]while the biologists deal with evolution. u guys seem to have little clue about what u talk about"

from wat u wrote it shows they are not same, why r u saying we should ask the biologist about evolution and not evolution theory? and from the definition they are

have u ever had a ball? which i believe u have. now u accept that that ball was not created by anyone but there was a big bang and voila here is the ball abi?

ok if u think He used abracadaba, sorry He didnt. wat u are saying that matter just exist and u expect us to just believe that abracadabra? no "Someone" or "something" must have created matter!!

cheers!!!

@blowa
Q. from what did matter and energy come from?

matter and energy didn't come from anywhere if they have had ALWAYS existed.

then who were the witness when according to evolution theory, the earth formed out of disk of gas and dust.?

evolution theory has nothing to do with creation. evolution theory deals with how living things transform and not how living things were created. go ask physicists about creation, while the biologists deal with evolution. u guys seem to have little clue about what u talk about


Now u say matter has always existed abi? and u went ahead to state that evolution is when an objects transforms itself abi?

Question: from wat u have said it implies matter has not always been existing cause it must have transformed from "something". Now what is that something? that is what i want you to answer.

ok so evolution and evolution theory are 2 different things abi?
but look at what wikky define evolution In biology, evolution is a change in the inherited traits of a population from one generation to the next. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
someone describe evolution theory [/b]as [b]Evolution theory explains how organisms have changed over time. http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/lenski.html

now what are you saying that the two are not same? it seems u are the one that dont understand it.



where they there when it was formed or it was just assumed to be??

the earth was formed from a collision and the reaction of matter. how exactly, we don't know. Now u can see assumption here look!!!
there's evidence in the earths geography to support this. even God exist earths geography can prove He exist!!!
is there evidence that some boogie man created the earth in 7days??
do u have some one that has documented during matter reacting??

@bawol

what is matter?
In science, matter is commonly defined as the substance of which physical objects are composed, not counting the contribution of various energy or force-fields, which are not usually considered to be matter per se (though they may contribute to the mass of objects). Matter constitutes much of the observable universe, although again, light is not ordinarily considered matter. Unfortunately, for scientific purposes, "matter" is somewhat loosely defined. It is normally defined as anything that has mass and takes up space.

your answer

how did the earth come into existence?

u are the one that claims GOd exists, the burden of PROOF is on u. all i know, is that the earth is made of matter. matter may have always existed through eternity for all we know.

from what i understand it shows that u are not sure whether matter existed.



lots of theory states that matter and energy have always existed. matter reacted to form the first forms of life which were unicellular organisms. they then evolved into what we have today.

lets analyse your answer,
lots of theory states that matter and energy have always existed.

Q. from what did matter and energy come from?

matter reacted to form the first forms of life which were unicellular organisms.
how do u know that it reacted and with what did it react with? source please


@kag
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If u want to believe that there's no God, then ask yourself why is it that all these things have happened and there are witnesses to it.

It's likely they didn't happen. What witnesses? Are supposed witnesses always a reliable source, especially when they are biased?


lets see if u consider that witnesses given are not true, then who were the witness when according to evolution theory, the earth formed out of disk of gas and dust.? where they there when it was formed or it was just assumed to be??

and please quote it completely

It is not known with certainty how planets are formed. The prevailing theory is that they are formed during the collapse of a nebula into a thin disk of gas and dust.


so its not certain how it was formed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet#Formation


@kag
- shared genetic sequences and genes between species, and in particular, the presence of chromosome no.2 in humans. A very strong indication of the shared ancestry between chimps and humans.

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If humans are not descendants of living apes then which apes were we descendant from?

Extinct apes. humans and other currently living apes share distant common ancestors.

hello are u not contradicting yourself?

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