Do you think if a northerner was the vice president, he would have waited nine months before taking over

He is ruling by our Grace

Let him go rule Federal Republic of Bayelsa. ugly  dumb Bleep.

Goodluck is a scared chicken. he will shit in his pants if he sees his shadows. I thot secession was the right of the south south and co

Leaders like Alams, Timpreye Sylva, Goodluck(that ugly toad).Northerners ruled for 38 yrs, but did they rule alone.South south leaders are rogues and have been messed up. blame the nincompops that have been fleecing and selling you out. cause when they want power they come to the North on there knees.

Like Goodluck has been doing

Self appointed spokeman of Southern Nigeria. Nigerians know Northerners don't make Noise like some people. they are more of a doing people

There was no where the North or northerners talked bout seceding. the poster asked a question which was a bit mischevious. and behold the sewer was opened

Adamawa, Kwara don't have some fulani's. Adamwa's population is majority fulani. And who ever told you that the yoruba's in kwara want to be with your ilk's or the minority tribes in adamawa.

You are either deluded or completely full of hot air. Please i ask once again who is this WE[/b]you talk about. At least you can talk of united north, which you will soon see in action during election. that which never exists in the south

I want to boldly ask all the youruba's on this forum. Do you want to live and be ruled by the Ibo's. or whether the south south wants to be ruled by the Ibo's

So where is the so called unity or [b]WE you keep talking bout

LMAO @ beaf.  
you are really tooo intelligent. Adamawa is not fulani. WTF .Jeez you must posses an A1 in geography . Wow Admiral Muritala Nyako(governor of Adamawa), Adamu Atiku, Bamanga Tukur, Buba Marwa must be efik's or closet light skinned ijaw's


I laff in fulfulde

Who are this WE you talk about. yoruba's?? , Ibo's, Efik's, Ibibio's, Anang, Kalabari, Ijaw's,Urhobo or is it Itheskiri's. abi na Ogoni  
Please educate us. which youruba man wants to live with an ibo man or vice versa. let even go down to the so called minority. does the Ikwerre man want to be ruled by Ijaw's or kalabari's

Last time i looked at map of Nigeria  [b]Adamawa,Plateau,Benue [/b]were still part of Northern Nigeria

When the main opposers of true federalism are gone, guess what the new system of govt will be? Cool
The centre will be so weak that it won't be worth the fight; political tribalism will simply follow the core North into the desert.

Lmao. guy you are so naive or full of intelligence that it blinds you. Which center would remainn. it would pieces or crumbs

After the Ibo's have decimated and run over the south south and then  squared up with the yoruba's

it would be the fastest disintegration of a country ever witnessed

If you can do without beaf,onions,potatoes,oranges,mangoes,tomatoes, pepper,tatase,yam, even your ordinary groundnut, then  lets see
remember when trucks of foodstuff stopped coming to lagos

Na hungry go kill southern Nigeria ooooh

To all the well informed posters here that believe the north would starve or go hungry
I would like to know which part of Nigeria feeds the north

Secession is would be great for the North. The would have to look inwards to develope themselves. They would have to now have time to develope the large deposits of Limestone, Gold, Kaolin, Diamonds(huge deposits in Katsina), bauxite, baryte, bentonite,iron ore  deposits and loads of more solid minerals available under their desert encroached land.

And it would also free the North of those noisey Yoruba Yoruba's, far away from desperate,back stabbing money by all means Ibo's and lastly of all the booze guzzling, whoring, good for nothing south south.

Love to see how they would  share their  Oyel money with the Ibo's or Yoruba's

It would be a classic, watched from above

Third question of the million dollar series

Which tribe will be the first to rule the new southern Nigeria

Ijaws,Ibibio,Kalabari, Itshekiri's if Ibo's would ever allow them smell am, abi youruba man will ever allow an Ibo man to rule over him, talk less of south south

come to think of it, excluding Yorubaland(western Nigeria) that new nation of southern Nigeria would be Biafra

Another million dollar question

Where would be the new capital of southern nigeria if the North secedes?

Aba,Yenogoa,Asaba, Ibadan or Lagos

Lemme guess

SECEDE

After five pages of spewing some sensible and loads of guttar trash-   Milllion dollar question

What will you suya loving aboki haters do if a northerner is sworn in come May 2011

Ramadan mubarak to all my fellow muslim's on nairaland. May Allah grant us the full benefits of this holy month

nah. . .bluetooth u ain't telling urself d truth.Igbos ain't polygamous and u know that. . .as 4 d "plenty plenty" children,after hausa,na yoruba dey born picking any how. . .This is just an isolated case 4rm a herbalist Grin Grin. . .I have never seen an igbo man with 2 wives,2 be very frank Cheesy


when census results come out. people shouldn't complain when the results shows the hausa man as plenty in numbers and not cows

"The Christian resolve to find the world evil and ugly, has made the world evil and ugly."
- Friedrich Nietzsche


Today, the xtian church does not have the power it once had, yet, we have witnessed the xtian abuses of children, child rape, molestation and other vile acts that reveal the true nature of many xtians and the effects their "god" has upon his followers. The pedophilia scandals are just a small sample of what xtians are capable of.

Years ago, when the xtian church had complete control over government, human life and spirit, we can see from the inquisition, just how sick these people are and just what lengths they will go to get you to accept "jesus." Just as is seen in the numerous xtian abuses of children today, years ago, with the inquisition, girls as young as nine and boys as young as ten were tried for witchcraft. Children much younger were tortured to extract testimony against their parents.¹ Children were then flogged while they watched their parents burn.
A documented case in the Silesian town of Neisse reveals a huge oven was constructed, which over a ten year period, more than a thousand "condemned witches, some as young as two years old" were roasted alive.² Many victims were also extremely old, some in their 80's. This made no difference to the church.

The xtian church murdered, tortured, mutilated and destroyed millions and millions of lives both directly through the Inquisition and indirectly through all of the wars they incited. The damage and destruction this foul religion has perpetrated against humanity is almost beyond comprehension. Most people aren't even aware of the facts. Between the years of 1450-1600, the xtian church was responsible for the torture, and burning of some 30,000 alleged "witches."³

During the reign of the Roman Emporer Constantine CE 306-337 the doctrines of the xtian church were regarded as the foundation of law.4 Heretics (persons who opposed church teachings) were sought out, tortured and eventually murdered. Heresy was an offense against the state as well as the church. For hundreds of years, civil rulers tried to stamp out all heresy.

As early as CE 430, the church leaders declared heresy punishable by death. In CE 906, "The Canon Episcopi" was the first church body to expressly forbid the use of witchcraft.5 Before the Inquisition was fully underway, the church accepted heretics back into the fold, under terms it considered reasonable. The following is an example:

For three Sundays, the heretic was stripped to the waist and whipped from the entrance of the town/village all the way to the church door. He/she was to permanently deny him/herself meat, eggs and cheese except on Easter, pentecost and xmas, when he/she is to eat of them as a sign of his/her penance. For twenty days, twice a year he/she was to avoid fish and for 3 days in each week fish, wine and oil, fasting, if his/her health would permit.

He/she was to wear monastic vestments with a small cross sewn on each breast. He/she was to hear mass daily. Seven times a day, he/she was to recite the canonical hours and in addition, at Paternoster ten times each day and twenty times each night.
He/she was to observe total abstinence from sex. Every month he/she was to report to a priest who was to keep the heretic under close observation. He/she was to be segregated from the rest of the community.6

There is no precise date for the beginning of the Inquisition, most sources agree it manifested during the first 6 years of the reign of the catholic pope, Gregory IX, between 1227 and 1233. Pope Gregory IX who ruled from 1227-1241 is often referred to as the "Father of the Inquisition."

The Inquisition was a campaign of torture, mutilation, mass murder and destruction of human life perpetrated by xtians. The church increased in power until it had total control over human life, both secular and religious.
The Vatican wasn't satisfied with the progress made by regional leaders in rooting out heresy. Pope Innocent III commissioned his own inquisitors who answered directly to him. Their authority was made official in the papal bull of March 25th, 1199.7Innocent declared "anyone who attempted to construe a personal view of god which conflicted with the church dogma must be burned without pity."8


In 1254, to ease the job of the inquisitors, Pope Innocent IV decreed that accusers could remain anonymous, preventing the victims from confronting them and defending themselves. Many churches had a chest where informants could slip written accusations against their neighbors. Three years later, he authorized and officially condoned torture as a method of extracting confessions of heresy. 9

Victims were tortured in one room,

then, if they confessed, they were led away from the chamber into another room to confess to the inquisitors.
This way it could be claimed the confessions were given without the use of force. The Inquisitional law replaced common law. Instead of innocent until proven guilty, it was guilty until proven innocent.

Inquisitors grew very rich, accepting bribes and fines from the wealthy who paid to avoid being prosecuted. The wealthy were prime targets for the church who confiscated their property, land and everything they had for generations. The Inquisition took over all of the victims' possessions upon accusation. There was very little if any chance of proving one's self innocent, so this is one way the catholic church grew very wealthy. Pope Innocent stated that since "god" punished children for the sins of their parents, they had no right to be legal heirs to the property of their parents. Unless children came forth freely to denounce their parents, they were left penniless. Inquisitors even accused the dead of heresy, in some cases, as much as seventy years after their death. They exhumed and burned the accused's bones and confiscated all property from their heirs, leaving them with nothing. 10

The actions of the inquisitors had devestating effects on the economy that left entire communities totally impoverished while the church glutted with wealth. They also crippled the economy by holding certain professions suspect. Inquisitors believed the printed word to be a threat to the church and interfered with the communication brought about by the invention of the printing press in the 15th century. Maps, cartographers, traveling merchants and traders were all placed under intense suspicion; a threat to the church.

Although the church had begun murdering people it deemed heretics in the 4th century and again in 1022 at Orléan, papal statutes of 1231 insisted heretics suffer death by fire. Burning people to death prevented spilling of blood. John 15:6 "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."
The nazarene quote incited all of this.

The pedophilia witnessed today is just a small example of the insanity and the twisted, warped minds of most xians and where any power that they obtain leads to.

The Witch hunts, 1450-1750 were what R H Robbins (The Encyclopedia of Witchcraft and Demonology) called "the shocking nightmare, the foulest crime and deepest shame of western civilization." In this 300 year period, the church stepped up the mass murder and systematic torture of innocent human beings. Torturers were allowed as much time as they needed to torture their victims. Most courts demanded that prior to the torture, the victim be thoroughly shaved, claiming that any Demon left undetected in the victim's body hair might intervene to deaden the pain that the torturers inflicted or answer for the victim.11

Doctors would be in attendance if it seemed the victim might die from the torture. The victim would then be allowed to recover a little before more torture was applied. If the victim died during the torture, inquisitors claimed the Devil intervened with the purpose of sparing the victim further pain or preventing them from revealing his secrets.12 Those who fainted had vinegar poured into their nostrils to revive them. The victim's families were required under law to reimburse the courts for the costs of torture. Entire estates were seized by the church. Priests blessed the torture instruments prior to their being used. Certain devices were employed to inflict the maximum pain; indisputable evidence of the sick xtian mind:

Judas Cradle
 
The victim was pulled up by a rope or chain and then lowered to the point. The torturer controlled the pressure by attaching weights to the victim or rocking or raising and dropping the victim from various heights.

Brodequin (The Boots)

The brodequin was used to crush the legs by tightening the device by hand, or using a mallet for knocking in the wedges to smash the bones until the bone marrow spurted out. People who passed out were further condemned as the losing of consciousness to be a trick from the Devil in order to escape pain.

Burning the feet. Oil, lard and grease were applied to the feet before roasting them over a fire. A screen was used to control or increase the pain as exposure to the fire was applied on and off for maximum suffering. Also, as a variation, some victims were forced to wear large leather or metal boots into which boiling water or molten lead was poured.


Hanging and the Strappado
 
The victim's hands were bound behind the back. They were then yanked up to the ceiling of the torture chamber by a pulley and a rope. Dislocation ensued. Xtians preferred this method, as it left no visible marks of torture. Heavy weights were often strapped to the victim to increase the pain and suffering.
Squassation was a more extreme form of the torture. This method entailed strapping weights as much as hundreds of pounds, pulling limbs from their sockets. Following this, the xtian inquisitor would quickly release the rope so they would fall towards the floor. At the last second, the xtian inquisitioner would again yank the rope. This dislocated virtually every bone in the victim's body. Four applications were considered enough to kill even the strongest of victims.

Many were hung upsidedown as well until strangulation ensued.

Heretic's Fork


This device was often used to silence the victim on the way to the burning stake, so they could not reveal what had occurred in the torture chamber or defend themselves in any way.

Ripping the flesh
 
Xtian clergy delighted in the tearing and ripping of the flesh. The Catholic church learned a human being could live until the skin was peeled down to the waist when skinned alive. Often, the rippers were heated to red hot and used on women's breasts and in the Instruments of both sexes.

Breast Rippers


The Iron Torture Chair was studded with spikes. The victim was strapped in nude and a fire was lit beneath the chair. Heavy objects were also be used. They were placed upon the victim to increase the pain of the spikes. Blows with mallets were also inflicted. Often, other torturous devices were applied with the chair such as the flesh ripping pincers, shown above and leg crushing vices.


Skull Crusher
This one speaks for itself. Xtian clergy preferred this device because it did not leave visible marks, unless the skull was completely crushed, which happened.


The Rack

The Rack, aka the Ladder was another device that was used extensively. The procedure was to place the nude or near nude victim horizontally on the ladder or rack. Ropes were used to bind the arms and legs like a tourniquet. The knot could be steadily twisted to draw tight the ropes and stretch the victim to where the muscles and ligaments tore and bones broke. Often, heavy objects were placed upon the victim to increase the pain. This was considered by the church to be "one of the milder forms of torture."

The Wheel

The nude victim, was stretched out, lying face downward on the ground or on the execution dock, with his or her arms and legs spread, and tied to stakes or iron rings. Wooden crosspieces were placed under the wrists, elbows, ankles, knees and hips. The inquisitor then smashed limb after limb and joint after joint, including the shoulders and hips, with the iron-tyred edge of the wheel, taking care not to bring about the death of the victim. There were splinters of smashed bones, blood spurted everywhere and the victim's entire skeleton was crushed and smashed. Thereafter the shattered limbs were “braided” into the spokes of the large wheel. The wheel has to be one of the most gruesome of all torture devices. The idea is, that the victims' limbs are shattered and entwined around the spokes of the wheel, attaching them to it.


The Thumbscrew

The thumbscrew was a device where the victim's thumbs were placed and systematically crushed. Similar devices were used on the toes. Thumbscrews were often applied at the same time as the strappado and other torture devices to inflict more pain.

The Water Torture

The victim was stripped and bound to a bench or table and a funnel was inserted and pressed down into his throat. Water was poured into the funnel in jug fulls with his/her nose being pinched, forcing him/her to swallow. After this was repeated enough times to where the victim's stomach was almost to burst, the bench or table was then tilted, with the victim's head pointing to the floor. The water in the stomach put painful pressure on the victim's lungs and heart. There was not only the incredible pain with this, but also, the feeling of suffocation. Inquisitors would also beat upon the stomach with mallets to the point of internal rupture.
In another variation, the victim was forced to swallow large quantities of water together with lengths of knotted cord. The cords were then violently yanked from the victim's mouth resulting in disemboweling.

The Iron Maiden aka the "virgin mary"

Covering the front side of this device was a statue of the virgin bitch, inside were spikes, sharp knives or nails. Levers would move the arms of the statue, crushing the victim against the knives and nails.

Other devices and methods:

Forced feeding of overly salted foods that resulted in extreme thirst, then, the denial of water.
Immersion in scalding water laced with Lime.
Yanking back and forth by 2 or more inquisitors with ropes attached to a spiked iron collar. This tore the flesh on the victim's neck. Variations used screws that could be tightened.
The prayer stool. A spike board on which the victim was forced to kneel.
Stocks which were fitted with iron spikes
Slowly roasting victims over fire.
"Walking a Witch" entailed forcing a victim to walk back and forth for days on end until completely exhausted. A variation of this was having the victim sit cross legged upon a wooden stool, being deprived of movement or sleep. Some victims were as much as 80 years old.
"Thrawing." Similar to the spiked iron collar, only a rope was tied tightly around the head and the victim was yanked back and forth.
"Turkas." These were a variation of pincers used to pull out fingernails.
Many were thrown in filthy dungeons with no light or human contact, in addition, often being chained or confined in the stocks.
"Scoring above the Breath" the ancient belief that bleeding a witch above the mouth and nose would break a spell incited inquisitors to tear flesh, stick with needles and other instruments upon the victim's face.
Galileo Galilei,the famous Italian astronomer and physicist was one of the most noted victims of the inquisition. A letter in which he attempted to demonstrate the Copernican theory, that the Earth is not the center of the universe, was forwarded by some of his enemies (xtians) to the inquisitors in Rome. He was tried in 1633 and found guilty of heresy. He was forced to recant (publicly withdraw his statement) and was sentenced to life imprisonment under house arrest.
In 1979, Pope John Paul II declared that the Roman Catholic Church "may have been mistaken in condemning him," and he established a commission to study the case.13
In 1993, the Catholic Church "officially" pardoned Galileo. In other words, they forgave him for teaching that the planets revolve around the Sun, not the Earth. (See the above link).


Loss of human life:

Salzburg, Austria, 1677-1681 over 100 murdered
Basque region of the Pyrenees; 1608, Lawyer Pierre de Lancre was sent to the region to "root out and destroy those who worshipped Pagan Gods." Over 600 tortured and murdered.
Witch judge Henri Boguet c. 1550-1619 sent some 600 victims to their deaths in Burgundy, many of them young children who were systematically tortured and then burned alive.
A pregnant woman was burned alive and from the trauma, she gave birth before she died. The baby was tossed back into the flames.
Swedish town of Mora, 1669, more than 300 murdered. Among them, 15 children. 36 children between the ages of 9 and 15 were made to run the gauntlet and were beaten with rods upon their hands once a week for an entire year. Twenty of the youngest children, all under the age of 9 were whipped on their hands at the church door for 3 sundays in succession. Many more were severaly beaten for witchcraft offenses.
In Scotland, under the rule of Oliver Cromwell, a total of 120 in a single month were murdered in 1661. Estimates of the total dead have been as high as 17,000 between 1563 and 1603.
In Würzburg, Germany, the Chancellor wrote a graphic account in the year of 1629:
", there are three hundred children of three or four years, who are said to have had intercourse with the Devil. I have seen children of seven put to death, and brave little scholars of ten, twelve, fourteen and fifteen years of age, "
Between the years of 1623 and 1633, some 900 "witches" were put to death throughout Würzburg. This was largely maintained by the Jesuits.
The Chronicler of Treves reported in 1586 that the entire female population of two villages was wiped out by inquisitors. Only two women were left alive.
Noted cases included the Knights Templar, Joan of Arc who was chained by the neck, hands and feet and locked in a cramped iron cage, Galileo, who stated that the Earth revolved around the Sun and was not the center of the universe as the church taught(See above).
The above accounts were taken from Cassel Dictionary of Witchcraft by David Pickering.


On Sunday, March 12th, 2002, the Pope John Paul II apologized for the "errors of his church for the last 2000 years."

Please read and educate yourselves.
SPANISH INQUISITION- how Muslims, Jews and others who had different beliefs from those of the christian faith were  forcefully converted to Christianity, raped, property looted and confiscated, expelled from their home land, by the order and authority of the Pope and christian leaders in Spain.

 This was despite the fact that the had been forcefully converted to Christianity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

unlike the fallacy below posted by Frosbel

Do you not know that the majority of those killed during the inquisition period were those who took the bible LITERALLY and vowed to practise its teachings in totality?

Are you saying the Pope and the catholic church don't understand the bible and christianity

The argument for me is a no contest. Messi is dribbles better, he is much faster, he scores freekicks and he has now added shooting from outside the penalty box to his repertoire of skills.  Messi is astonshing and a delight to watch.
What pisses is me is asinine statement  that if messi was in the premiership, he wouldn't score half the goals he scored. If Messi was in the premiership he would score [b]twice[/b]the number of goals he has already scored.


Premiership is a league filled with terrible defenders and hopeless goalkeepers. can you imagine using hull city as an example. this only exposes the ignorance of the  poster of that statement.

the best defenders in the priemiership come from Man utd and chelsea( maybe liverpool 2 yrs back). the rest are absolute rubbish.

Regarding quality of premiership vs La Liga. who watches the match between stoke city and hull city or bolton vs burnley. but watch a match between xerez and almeria and you watch skills, flair and good football.

The last two games barcelona has played, Messi has [b]created something out of nothing[/b]which differentiates between him and the rest.Rooney's game is improving, but Messi is way ahead in my opinion.

To the person who says Messi is performing well because barcelona is an all round wonderful team, i want to ask whether most of the tap-in's or penalties rooney( most of ronney's goals this season has come from inside the penalty box, causing people to compare with van nistelrooy) has scored was created by him alone. whether without fletcher,scholes, giggs and van der saar in goal, united will be were they are presently.
A good team makes a skillfull footballer better and enables him to show case his talent. Barca is great and Messi is astonishing.

P.s  were was the premiership defenders when Thierry Henry was running rings round them. Go watch Arsenal vs Liverpool at highbury, 2003 season

FIFA World Player Of The Year 1999- Rivaldo                   Club- Barcelona    Football League- Spain

FIFA World Player Of The Year 2000- Zinedane Zidane   Club - Juventus      Football League- Italy

FIFA World Player Of The Year 2001-  Luis Figo               Club- Real Madrid   Football League- Spain

FIFA World Player Of The Year 2002- Ronaldo                 Club- Inter Milan    Football League- Italy

FIFA World Player Of The Year 2003- Zinedane Zidane   Club- Real Madrid   Football League- Spain

FIFA World Player Of The Year 2004- Ronaldinho            Club- Barcelona      Football League- Spain

FIFA World Player Of The Year 2005- Ronaldinho            Club- Barcelona     Football League- Spain

FIFA World Player Of The Year 2006- Fabio Cannavaro    Club- Juventus       Football League- Italy

FIFA World Player Of The Year 2007- Kaka                       Club- Ac Milan        Football League- Italy

FIFA World Player Of The Year 2008- Cristiano Ronaldo   Club- Man Utd        Football League- England

FIFA World Player Of The Year 2009- Lionel Messi            Club-Barcelona       Football League- Spain

In the last ten years -Spain - 6      Italy-4             England-1

A little bit of statistics for the post 1999- football johnny come lately 's who think football begins with and ends with the premiership

Ok.whats all the noise about.
Ibori na thief

Ribadu na thief
1-1

why don't we let them catch the thief whom there is evidence against.

Maybe we don't want that cause the little thief in us wouldn't be happy

nope.doesnt kill a sexual relationship

Air Maroc is ok, but one should be careful with his luggage. My fiance traveled last November to london via Air Maroc. going was no issue, but on return her luggage came back a week after.

Keep important stuff in your hand luggage, and be careful of Moroccan immigration officers. dey beg and unashamedly ask for bribe like their naija brothers, especially when they see you carrying cash.












































































































Uzi-best way of population control

Wow. imagine if people like Fayose, Akala and the Uba brothers had armed personnel subservient to them

me thinks a nice guy is what a girl wants, but doesn't need

28th