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Jesus is the Son of God (Ben Elohim)

shahydbinaliyu:
bro.. you have just said who's reporting from Allah.. it's angel Gabriel.. it's Gabriel that's the intermediary.. understand bro?

So any evidence that it is true?

shahydbinaliyu:
nah.. it's hadith that waw reported..


Quran is God sayings only.... Relayed to Prophet Muhammad through angel Gabriel... monitored and supervised into one collection by Prophet Muhammad. it's God that named HIS holy book Quran not we humans.

Any evidence for the above..Muhammad reported quran from Jibril who is reporting from Allah...are you clear now?

shahydbinaliyu:
ok bro.. which verse can you see what Jesus said himself? it's all reported event bro..

Just like the quran

shahydbinaliyu:
of course that's it.. so what eziekel say doesn't apply to Jesus? and is it Jesus that said i came to die for your sins? besides read like 2 or 3 verse before that verse so you will understand better

You were asking someone on this very thread to show you where in the bible Jesus says God is his biological father...

So am asking you now where did "Jesus said it himself that he did not die for our sins" in the bible?

nutarious:
ur Arquement is lame.........................


u gave examples to are totally not synonymous to what he said...............................

GOD and OBA benin are two chAracter from ur example..................................

but he gave scriptural reference to the old testament of same GOD been called ALMIGHTY GOD and MIGHTY GOD.....................................

what u are opining is that this are two dift GOD and as such ur point is valid, yet you know the biblical refrences is SAME GOD .


thats y i said u are self denying, the word is ELOHIM and its repeated in the original script to refrence same GOD,i wonder why you keep on giving examples using two characters that are dift,........................

jews knew and serve only ONE GOD saying mighty GOD or ALMIGHTY GOD refers to the same GOD......................................................

It is obvious you dont understand my point..probably making you as the one wallowing in self denial.

Let me try another method for you, using two characters that are different is the glaring point I want you to see...if God is called master and a mere chinese boss is also called master here on earth..does it make God seems anything lesser than who he is? Besides this are just titles.

You really need to take a chilled pill to calm down, read and understand before making any comment.

If the same God we serve is called King and we also call some of our traditional leaders here on earth King does it set God at equal standards with our earthly kings are they the same?.

There is no biggy Saying Mighty and Almighty God is used to address the father in the bible..same Mighty God is used to address the Son. Does that in anyway makes them the same person? No! Are they equal? No!.

Same thing applies here calling God(Yahweh) Mighty and in another verse Almighty does not reduce him any lesser because Jesus was addressed as Mighty too.

Yahweh is called God
Jesus is called God

Yet Yahweh is God over Jesus..but they are both called God

So Calling Satan God or god or GOD in the bible does it also makes him the same as God (Yahweh)?..and dont come running here with that lame excuse of small 'g' and capital letter 'G'.or else you will have to provide us with apparently uppercase and lowercase 'g' In the original Hebrew/Aramaic/Koine Greek which the old and new testament was initially written in.

Why am i not surprise seeing so many girls commenting on this thread?

nutarious:
lol, self denials.........................
U SAID ALMIGHTY GOD IS DIFT FROM MIGHTY GOD,..................................

HE POSTED 9 MIGHTY GOD FROM OLD TESTAMENT.....................SAME GOD

3 ALMIGHTY GOD ...............................................SAME GOD


YET U STILL ARGUEING,..........................LOL


CONTUNU.........................................

It is obvious you are just arguing for the sake of argument..you dont seem to understand what RikoduoSennin is saying.

We sometimes call God 'Oba'
In Benin they also call their king 'Oba'

Does that set God and the Oba of Benin on the same power, equality and level?

In as much as God is called Mighty and Almighty does not negate the fact that he is still greater than the Son regardless if Christ was called Mighty or Almighty.

God rules!

Shalom aleikhem!

shahydbinaliyu:
Ezekiel 18:19 Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Ok..for the last time where did "Jesus said it himself that he did not die for our sins" in the bible?

shahydbinaliyu:
If i do, will you become a Muslim?

NO!...because Jesus never said that.

shahydbinaliyu:
Jesus said it himself that he did not die for our sins... Its every man for himself.. You no dey read Bible ni.. What makes you think i didn't like my enemies... It's until when my enemies want to hurt me that i will aslo change towards him...
Aggressive? So i should be looking like pawpaw when am insulted or my religion is insulted?

Al-taqqiyah dey smell for here...oya! show me the bolded in the bible.?

Yet they(muslims) claim they dont kill apostates

naijaboiy:
[color=#1980BC]Yea that's true!
Sometimes we even think they are right for acting in such a way. [/color]

Exactly..but it is not suppose to be so.

Yet you couldn't tell us who Yahshua is according to the OP

Yahshua is Jesus in the hebrew tongue..it is not suppose to be new thing for any christian.

How does this solve the problem the OP raised?

O yes! It does, it serves as a pointer that( the father is all in all) and the son is subjected to him.

As you emphasized on the word WITH do you also emphasis on what the verse says the word (Yahshua) is? "...and the word (Yahshua) was God"

Yahshua is God but 1 Cor. 15:27-28 shows he(Yahshua) is subjected to another called God (Yahweh).

Remember there's no god either in heaven or on earth beside Yahweh

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O yes you are right Isaiah 45:5-6 "5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else."

asdfjklhaha:
I don't even understand what the op is saying

Umm I think the op is asking if girls feel the intensity of a guy abuna during the kongo.

U still dont get it do u?

#sighs!

Almost everyone has falling a victim one way or the other before, you just might not know..and most at times it is with someone u care about very much.

Hmmm!

johnw74:
Y'hovah (God) is the one and only True God,
The Word is the one and only true God,
they are two persons, One God.

King David said:
The LORD said to my Lord
Yahovah said to adon adon meaning soverign ruler
God said to the Word
Father said to son.
Psalm 110

Here is little more explanation on that:
Please note that the King James Version (used here) designates the Hebrew name Jehovah (or Yahweh) with "LORD" spelled with all letters capitalized; Adonai, meaning "Lord" or "Master," is designated by "Lord;" and "Elohim," is translated as "God." Thus, in Deut. 4:35, for example, the phrase "the LORD he is God," would be literally translated, "Jehovah, he is Elohim." (In those instances were Adonai is used as a compound with Jehovah, the latter term is spelled GOD, so that the compound name "Lord GOD" designates the Hebrew, "Adonai Jehovah".

1. Deuteronomy 4:35,39 — Unto thee it was shown, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him. (39) Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.

2. Deuteronomy 6:4 — Hear, O Israel: The LORD thy God is one LORD. [Note in Mark 12:28-34 how Jesus and a Jewish scribe he encountered understood this text.]

There is none unto(or equal) to YHWH..this is one undeniable truth.

johnw74:
Yes there are, some people that I post too say that the Father and the Son are one person,
so I'm not bringing the Holy Spirit into it, imagine the confusion then.
And it's easier to explain that the Father and the Son are more than one person because of John 1:1 where two persons in God are mentioned,
who are God and the Word, the Father and the Son.
Although they don't believe that scripture, they say God and the Word are one person, they confuse God with person.
jw don't believe that verse either, they say the Word is "a" god.

There are verses that say, in the end times there will be apostasy.
And there sure is little truth posted here, some posters are very good, I add.

It is sometimes a jaw dropping claim if you get to hear what people consider in the ideology of God talking about the Triniterians most especially. In as much as I dont know it all, but one sure thing is that there is but only one and only true God and he is Yahweh.

Shalom aleikhem

@Op, there is no ambiguity on this very topic..the bible is very explicit on who Yahweh is and who Yahshua is as well.

1 Cor.15:27-28 "27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."

John 1:1 is very clear as well.
"In the beginning was the word(Yahshua) and the word(Yahshua) was with God(Yahweh) and the word(Yahshua) was God.

Emphasis on the word "with"

RikoduoSennin:
IN HEAVEN:

Daniel 7:9,13,14 "As I looked, thrones were placed and one that was ancient of days took his seat: his raiment was fiery flames,its wheels were buring fire....and behold with the cloud of Heaven there came one like a son of man and HE CAME TO THE ANCIENT OF DAYS AND WAS PRESENTED BEFORE HIM and to him was given dominion and glory and kingdom that all peoples, nations and languages should serve him...."

Q: Who is the Ancient of Days and who is the Son of Man?
Q: Are they one person in Heaven or seperate two different beings?
Q: Are they equal in Heaven? (One sat on the throne and gave the other dominion)

Revelation 4:1,8; 5:1-13 "...and behold A THRONE was set in Heaven and ONE sat on the throne....and they rest not day and night saying HOLY HOLY HOLY Lord God Almighty....and I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and the backside sealed with seven seals. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, who is worthy to open the book and the seal thereof? And no man in heaven nor in earth neither under the earth was able to open the book neither to look theron....behold the lion of the tribe of judah, the root of David has prevailed to open the book and to loose the seven seals thereof....stood a lamb....and he came and took the book out of the right hand of HIM that sat upon the throne...."

Q: Who was sitting on the throne and who is the Lamb? Are both of them the same being?
Q: Why will the Lamb be receiving something from the one seated on the throne if they are equal?
Q: between the one seated on the throne and the lamb who seem to be superior?

Compare vision of Heaven found in the book of Isaiah and Ezekiel.

Q: Is Jesus really ALmighty God/Most High?

Thank you..this are scriptural truth most churches dont preach these days..therefore leading people astray and away from the truth (Christ).

RikoduoSennin:
My dear, Hosea 12:4 paint a fairly good picture.

Jacob fought God, Jacob fought an angel, so Jacob fought "an angel who is also God"

Is that very interesting! Note: the capital letter 'G' in the God as used by the Bible itself.

Thank you very much. This is the Reasons I was asking her that does she really believed Jacob fought with God? And she already boasting to me she is no baby christian. I think a sunday school student should know better that it was not exactly God per say but angel of God..the patriarchs in old testament often referred to seeing an angel as seeing God himself or seeing the face of God.
The bible says..in ;
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

You only need to let the bible interpret itself..not by jumping around thinking you know all.

U lack the the ability to comprehend not because u can't but u find it hard to let go of ur acquired norms and perception about God......... Fine.

I could say the same for you too

U are entitle to it, but to see facts and all this scripture and still hold on is to me a Peter like altitude to circumcision.

I could say the same for you too

Baptize in the name of father son and holy spirit, that too must be strange to u.................... I and my father are one, strange too,........

Do you bother to know the "name" they share? Why is it not "names"?

Binding and casting out demons without calling any name, sounds strange too...

Telling us he will send Holy Spirit and not God will send holy spirit sounds strange to u too..................

John 14:16-17 "16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you

I bet this one is strange to you..stop saying what you dont know.

He will judge the world, he is the alpha and omega, the I am, everything was created by him and for him sounds strange too abi?

John 5: 22 "For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:"
John 5:19 "Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise"

He forgives sin without asking the father

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John 5:30 "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."

Colossians record him to shame the kingdom of Devil.................

Phil 2:9-11 "9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father

Dont forget "Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father"

Eighter u like it or not

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Of course not by my power or by my might but by my spirit says the lord Zach. 4:6 "..Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts."

The father has ruled, old testament,

So the father has stop ruling ?

The word too has come as the son just for our redemption......... New testament

John 5:17 "But Jesus responded to them, “My Father is still working, and I am working also."

The Holy Spirit s time is the current time, if u have no holy spirit it's certain u can't communicate to God.......... This is the Holy Spirit and he is working on the church, when a preacher preaches the Holy Spirit arrest the heart and make it sober to understanding............. He teaches beyond realm and can guide us to most holy place.

Yes Indeed

I insist, doctrines are man made, and u can see them even from the first apostles till now. Now to think am trying to convince u will mean me been stupid, u are mature enough and can decide for ur self, yet the Holy Spirit duty is to convince u...................

All doctrines are not man made.
2 John 1:9 "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son."

By the grace of God am convinced in my spirit through the spirit of God that bears me witness. Amin

Hebrew 1=8, God the Father talks of God the son As God, it should have stop all this argument yet u won't just believe with all this rich scripture

Yet God the son has his own God and father who is also our God and our father. Halel Hashem!( praise his name)

John 20:17 "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."

A kingdom can't divide against itself, I am a god and As a god, God is my God, and a son by adoption to sonshiip, God in 3person will forever be a mystery even Lucifer dint get it, it take Holy Spirit to get it

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Yes a kingdom can not be divided against itself. God is one even Lucifer and his demons know this by calling Jesus the Son of God(Ben Elohim)..the Disciples also know this truth.

Matt.4:5-6 "Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone."

Matt. 8:29 "And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time"

Matt.16:15-17 "And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven."

Finally my dear!
Devarim 6:4 "Shema O nutarious Adonai Elohai Adonai ehad
Trans: Deu 6:4 "Hear O nutarious the lord your God is One"

nutarious:
Pride? I wonder how it's a pride that I said am not a baby xtian.

U quoted I said Jesus words were in parables, allegory or encrypted did I say the Bible? Old testament is straight, no parables or philosophy........

JESUS words are encrypted, and in full parables that it took his direct disciples to decipher some words but I never said the Bible as a whole, especially the old testaments. They are direct and multiple sourced, and not connected in witnesses or writing. Moses wrote 5 books many author were unknown etc.

I think u really need to apologize to me for accusing me wrongly............. Where is the double standard. I said Jesus u said Bible................. When u wanna accuse make sure u have ur facts......


I said I wasn't a baby xtian in the sence of the scriptural arguments that dosnt make me proud? I really am not a baby xtian yet it ain't mean am still not learning....................... When u get to some level and someone tries to bring ftins u already v been thru with I don't think it's pride to say bro, u err.


Lastly, since u concur to the facts and we now have an understanding that u stand corrected of ur norms then all is well.......... The race is not for the swift nor the fastest.

Let him that thinks he stand be careful if not he falls, this apply to u and i................................ GOD himself is an emotional God, I don't see reasons y we won't be emotional. I continued this argument only to stand firm against some doctrines that depict or tries to reduce Jesus to a mere god.

MY LORD JESUS IS GOD THIS I KNOW LIKE I KNOW THE PALM OF MY HANDS.

GOT TO go, kids and hubby needs me. Lol


God bless you all..........

Wow good to know that you are married...but I did not err or accuse you wrongly na! you only sounded full of pride to me when you said to me: " U R NOT TALKING TO A BABY XTIAN."...and try to use the full word "Christian" I think it sounds better..may be am the baby christian after all the kingdom of heaven(malkhut ha'shamayim) is for those unto like babes according to Christ.

You said Jesus I said bible,tell me does it really matter here considering that you argued that Jesus is equal to Yahweh, Jesus is the word= Bible, or is the bible not the word of God again? besides I never said Bible..may be you are the one accusing me wrongly

Yet you boycott most of my questions and end up derailing from the topic..#sighs

Issoryt

Shalom to you and the family

nutarious:
Have u read it? Who did the Bible said Jacob fought? Pls don't read Jehova witnesses record, Jacob got up in the morning and was scared he might die for he has seen God.

So what is ur point............

Read it first nha, am I the one that wrote the Bible, Jacob fought God......

U think I form the story? Read it very well 20-30



Calling me a baby xtian is nothing compared to what u are missing by ur denials, ur comprehension is what's important here




Shalom

Lol..i wasn't disputing what that verse in Genesis said about Jacob's struggle with God was i? I only wonder why the literal meaning is so important to you here when in fact you where supporting your argument against someone on this thread that Jesus's words are not to be taking literally cause he spoke in parables or perhaps allegory.

Double standard right?..all because you are not being objective here.


too much sentiment and emotion in your words..you started the baby xtian thingy..i was not asking you of your theological qualifications. Too much pride led you to say that. Well it is not a do or die affair.


Shalom aleikhem!

nutarious:
am getting tired of this arquement,but JACOB FOUGHT GOD IS IN =GENESIS 32=22-30, U R NOT TALKING TO A BABY XTIAN.


I DONT ARQUE TO WIN OOOOO, AINT MY BUSINESS BUT FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW THE TRUTH.................................



SHALOM

So you believed Jacob literally fought God right?..i read a comment by you on this thread addressing someone to not take everything he read in the bible literally e.g christ telling us to cut off our hand if it will lead us to sin. Now you are finding a way to dodge my question about Jacob fighting with your suppose 3 in one God? Hun!..i see
Of course you are not a baby xtian but a baby Christian..your understanding is bias.

I dont argue to win either but I argue for the truth I know and believe in..but your truth is not good enough my dear!

Shalom aleikhem

nutarious:
so where did he GET the power to send LUCIFER away, since LUCIFER IS A CHIEF god, lol

u are been deluded, before he came to sacrifice himself his name is the WORD........................................

AFTER he came down he became SON....................................ARE U FOLLOWING

JOHN said he was..............................................he stop been the word and became the son because the word has now mix with blood..............................................

notice all ANGELS were initially called sons of GOD..........................................HOPE U KNOW THAT,but know under the new convenat angels seized to be sons and the word became a son because he has to be sacrificed cut away from other 2 persons of GOD..........................

HE ONLY BECAME A SON when he became flesh he was never a son before that..........................HE WAS THE WORD USED IN CREATING...............................................

NOW....................a god would never have been able to command LUCIFER, cos they will be equal in rank...........

only a GOD will be able to..........................so those places u are saying , u dint get..................

all words used ther in regards to the scripture still point to JESUS the word, though shall not tempt the lord ur GOD is a word=jesus............

and thats y he commanded him to begone.....................using the word which is him, notice he never said be gone in the name of GOD

IT WAS A STRAIGHT FORWARD COMMAND,AND HE OBEYED......................

NOW NO ANGEL CAN COMMAND LUCIFER WITHOUT USING GOD'S NAME................................................
EXAMPLE =JUDE 1-9

even micheal the chief security of HEAVEN WAS NOT ABLE TO COMMAND LUCIFER BUT SAY THE LORD REBUKE U, THATS LIKE USING GODS NAME AGAINST LUCIFER........................................................

BUT IN UR own example of the TEMPTATION STORY..............................JESUS COMMANDED LUCIFER WITHOUT SAYING IN GODS NAME COS HE USES THE WORD WHICH IS HIM........................................HOPE U GET IT



NOW, if JESUS dint gave us a doctrine no church can force doctrines on us, u could decide to leave a church and go else where, its same body of christ.....................which means if i change church then no doctrine can hold me down this teaches us that doctrines are restricted to church and not to aspiration to heaven..................................................a doctrine that wont allow small children take blood when they are dying is antichrist..................................it never would rep christ and i insist only a wicked mother could do that, thus this make her go to heaven.............................................


i can even decide not to go to any church and still make heaven...................................so whats the fuss about doctrines.............................................

love GOD, serve him and everytn will be added to u...............................................


peter has highly spiritual has he is fall a victim of this......................whenever he is with gentiles he eats and dine with them, but immediatly a jew shows up he quickly hides away from the gentiles, the jewish doctrine that gentiles are uncircumcised and not clean was his problem then, it took paul to teach peter that one christ and no circumcision will get anybody anywhere, no church doctrine will get us anywhere,


serve GOD and enjoy urlife, dont live in another mans created doctrine, that make u become a subject of such a man eighter he is alive or gone...........................................................we are subject to christ alone.


shalom

I asked you just three questions and you ended up writing an encyclopedia without a specific answers to them.

I hate religion, I believe in God, the scripture is my guide. I am neither confined to any pentecostal,catholic,anglican,marmon,jehovah witness etc Doctrine.

Some man made doctrine are reasons so many are yet to come to Christ and receive him as their personal lord and saviour. E.g all what you wrote up there to support trinity co-equality of Yahweh and Jesus. Smh

Shalom aliekhem!

nutarious:
i never said they are GODS, i said 3 in 1, they are one, if u are tunde , thus it mean ur soul is not u nor body is dift or ur spirit aint urs, this is kinda funny, lets take u as an example, u are 3 persons in 1. which u will agree, thus this mean u are 3 dift people, if this apply to jumans who are just a copy of the original image why the arquement. i insist that GOD is one and never GODS....

TO butres my point, people in occult who have been converted made us understand they operate in the spirit, they leave their body and time travel to their various meetings..........are this not same persons.................

another example is solomon, solomon asked for wisdom when GOD asked hi he should ask, go and read ur bible all this was in the spirit for he was asleep as recorded in the bible so solomon in the spirit comminicated with GOD and not solomon in the flesh......................

more example , Jacob fought with GOD wont allow him to go tillhe was blessed, and GOD bless Jacob as recorded in the bible, but the funny thign here is that all this happen when he was asleep tooo, so jacob did all this in the spiirit,

more example, peter was in the spirit in acts for he was asleep when GOD brought unpure food to him to eat and he arqued with GOD ONLY TO WAKE UP AND SEE Cornelius messengers, the dream translate to God saying gentiles are entitled to salvation even thou jews beleive they are not pure

more examples, REVELATION was written by JOHN THE BELOVED but he was in atrance all true,,common are u following ................thatr humans are 3 in 1

angel appeared to joseph to depart to egypt and run from herod...................


all this happen in the spirirt, have u wonder what happens to ur body when u are really aslepp


now this 3 in 1 complexity of humans are a direct copy from GOD

let us make humans in our image, he was talking to the other persons.................................................

please, it never my work to convince u, but i imploy u to dig deep and never overlook basic truth cos u wannna hold on to ur beleive, its not normal......................................

GOD is 1, but in 3 persons

[s]father=soul
son=Jesus
spirit=holy spirit[/s]


thanks

Your English understanding sells you out...you always use "they are" that is why am concern about that.

Now talking about Jacob fought with GOD and he even won, is it the same 'God is one in three persons?' The last time I checked God(Yahweh) dwells in an unapproachable light regardless which realm they were in be it spirit realm,physical realm, dream realm etc.

Finally can you back up the striked letters with scriptural verses?

Father is Spirit, Son later came in flesh, the holy spirit is the bonding power behind all this. Even we all are one with Christ and the Father through the Holy spirit...giving us right to be called the Sons of God (Benei Elohim)

johnw74:
These speakers are different because Isaiah 48:13 Is Y'hovah God speaking about creating all things,
and Colossians 1:16 is speaking of God creating all things through the Word and for the Word.

The Bible is full of verses showing Y'hovah is the Father and the Word is the Son.
They are the One God yes,
but they are two persons of the Godhead.

I have said myself that Jesus is the Father, but only in the sense that God and the Word is God.

To say the Son and the Father are one person is ridiculous,
The Father beget Jesus.

Your explanation went smoothly but the bolded got me thinking..are there no longer three persons in the Godhead?

nutarious:
3 humans came to Abraham, 2 went to destroy sodom and gomora
1 remain and talked to Abraham,Abraham called him God and even persuaded him in regards to sodom been saved, thats GOD................THE QUESTIONS IS WHICH OF THE PERSONS , JESUS.

another point which is very important in us knowing JESUS IS GOD
=MAT 4-7
AND JESUS said unto him(LUCIFER),IT IS WRITTEN AGAIN, THOU SHALL NOT TEMPT THE LORD THY GOD...........................


Here Jesus confirmed here he is GOD............................nobody need noo arquement again, if Jesus aint GOD, the statement will say otherwise but he told satan straight though shall not tempt the lord ur GOD...........................and satan never arqued that with him so satan knows he is [/color]GOD and some of u still beleive in the lies u are been FED....................................................

LOOK AT what jehova witness put in their own Adjusted bible conscerning mat 4=7
Jesus said to him,"again it is written:'you must not put jehova ur GOD to test'

[color=#990000] JW adjusted the bible just to please what suites them, imagine. only in their bible is this much alteration, no other translation reported the way they do, this is purely ANTICHRIST.........................any gospel that tries to undermine christ as GOD is blasphemous and ANTICHRIST.........

most JW find themselves locked in bondage and are forever the only ones that can save themselves....................thats y the JW dont mix or do thigns with other xtians, they come to preach to u and wont even pray lol, cos they dont wanna mention JESUS.........................antichrist


[/color] i saw the worst of this doctrine in UITH, a mother, who bleed for a baby and with all the pains and struggle of motherhood stood to her beleivd doctrine that her son who has accident shouldnt be given blood, her husband was there, her pastor or is it elder was there and we nurse tried to beg her from 12am till 6am , madam pls allow ur son take blood and she refused crying thats againt her faith, imagine. the boy died a painful death due to shortage of blood 8am, and she started mourning and attempting suicide, i just watch in amazement at the power of the mind. Anybody that controls ur mind will be ur lord,

[color=#770077]angry mothers there in his son ward called her murderer,but me i told her next time when if this happen to u next time dont come to hospital, cos actually u knew ur faith will tie down doctors hand..............................i just beg her to save us the sad event and allow it on her head............................now the ability to decide to live if the baby could talk would have been yesssssss........................

[/color] i hate church doctrines with passion, my lord jesus never set one, him i love, him i follow , church is only for edification and never will get us to heaven.................................

shalom!

In as much as I dont agree with some of JW doctrine, neither am I really sure what they all about in Changing the scripture to suit them, frown at blood transfusion, dont mingle with other christians and so on. I think they seems to be real and true to their believe.

Now Mathew 4 reads like this (KJV)..am starting from verse 3 to 10

"3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,

6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, [color=#000099]He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve."

Question 1: You dont think Satan know exactly who Christ is by calling him 'Son of God' and not simply 'God' i.e Yahweh?

Question 2: And if Jesus is God i.e(Yahweh) i.e who is this 'He' that will give charge to his angels concerning Jesus?

Question 3: Jesus came to do his Father's will not his(Jesus) will but his Father..who is this father that is so highly exalted even by Jesus?

NEWBIN:
Johnw74....have u seen this scripture? 1 Corinthians 1:24, But to those called by God to salvation, both Jews and Gentiles, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God.

SO IF THE FATHER IS DIFFERENT FROM CHRIST, WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THE FATHER HAS NO WISDOM NOR POWER OF HIS OWN....THIS IS BLASPHEMY

Hahahaha but trinitarians says that they are co-equal yet they are different, so if Christ is the power and wisdom of Yahweh where does the holy spirit stands? Hmm!

John 5:19-20 "19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel."