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OkCornel:
Enoch 10 v 4-6 & 11-12;
4. And again, the Lord said to Raphael: 'Bind Azazel hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness and split open the desert, which is in Dudael and cast him in.
5. And fill the hole by covering him with rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him live there forever, and cover his face that he may not see the light.
6. And on the day of the great judgment, he shall be hurled into the fire.
11. And the Lord said to Michael: 'Go bind Semjaza and his team who have associated with women and have defiled themselves in all their uncleanness.
12. When their sons have slain one another, and they have seen the destruction of their beloved ones, bind them fast for seventy generations under the hills of the earth, until the day of the consummation of their judgment and until the eternal judgment is accomplished.'


Enoch Chapter 1 v 9;

And behold! He comes with ten thousand of His holy ones (saints) in order to execute judgment on all, to destroy all the ungodly (wicked ones), and to convict all flesh of their works of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, and of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.





CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN HOW JUDE WAS WARNING AGAINST THE WRITINGS OF ENOCH IN THIS PASSAGE?

Cc: missjo, maamin, gobuchinny, budaatum, nijabazaar, RiyadhGoddess, CaveAdullam

My brother this people will twist anything in the scripture just to fix in their erroneous teaching. How can Jude be warning against Enoch's writing when in fact he was acknowledging it ? Truth is has been made plain right before them. Pride and ego won't let them accept it.

OkCornel:
For those of you fruitlessly arguing that the sons of God in Genesis & Job are the male descendants of Seth;

Please have a look at Josephus Flavius' Antiquity of the Jews; I don't think Josephus Flavius needs introduction here as famous first century Jewish historian he was.

Flavius Josephus of the Antiquities of the Jews — Book I
Chapter 3 v 1;

1. Now this posterity of Seth continued to esteem God as the Lord of the universe, and to have an entire regard to virtue, for seven generations: but in process of time they were perverted, and forsook the practices of their fore-fathers; and did neither pay those honours to God which were appointed them, nor had they any concern to do justice towards men. But for what degree of zeal they had formerly shewn for virtue, they now shewed by their actions a double degree of wickedness. Whereby they made God to be their enemy. For many Angels of God accompanied with women, and begat sons that proved unjust, and despisers of all that was good; on account of the confidence they had in their own strength. For the tradition is, that these men did what resembled the acts of those whom the Grecians call Giants. But Noah was very uneasy at what they did: and being displeased at their conduct, persuaded them to change their dispositions, and their actions for the better. But seeing they did not yield to him, but were slaves to their wicked pleasures, he was afraid they would kill him, together with his wife and children, and those they had married. So he departed out of that land.


Check out how this reconciles with the verses posted from the book of Enoch earlier;

Enoch Chapter 15 v 1-7;

1 And He answered and said to me, and I heard His voice: 'Do not be afraid, Enoch you righteous man and scribe of righteousness.
2 Approach and hear my voice. Go and say to the Watchers of heaven, for whom you have come to intercede: "You should intercede for men, and not men for you."
3 Why and for what cause have you left the high, holy and eternal heaven, and had sex with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children of the earth, and begotten (as your) sons?
4 Though you were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten children with the blood of flesh, and as the children of men, you have lusted after flesh and blood like those who die and are killed.
5 This is why I have given men wives, that they might impregnate them, and have children by them, that deeds might continue on earth.
6 But you were formerly spiritual, living the eternal life, immortal for all generations of the world.
7 Therefore, I have not appointed wives for you; you are spiritual beings of heaven, and in heaven was your dwelling place.

Cc: missjo, maamin, gobuchinny, budaatum, nijabazaar, RiyadhGoddess, CaveAdullam

I think this is clear enough and has revealed a lot concerning this issue ...let's wait and see how they deny all this �

OkCornel:
The people arguing that sons of God in Genesis and Job were the defendants of Seth surely turned a blind eye to this post.

There are many glaring evidences both in the Bible and outside the Bible. Many Apocryphal text and none canonised books made this clear that angels took daughters of men. But these people just don't want to take the word for what it says

MuttleyLaff:
You this woman, you dont want lay down lying, you're a glutton for punishment, right?. Wait for me to revisit today in the late PM. Lets once and for all trash and kill this demon from the pit of hell you've being dragging. I think, I've managed to get grab you enough by the wrist of your hand now, EMILO2STAY didnt want to take the bait, but I think you took a nibble of it, that small bit you took, does me real fine, to set about going for your jugular now with a two-prong attack, lol.

Lol..I am not a woman Mr. Truth is clear and separate from falsehood. You can deny and reject all you want but be rest assure that will not change a thing.

OkCornel:
Enoch Chapter 15 v 1-7;

1 And He answered and said to me, and I heard His voice: 'Do not be afraid, Enoch you righteous man and scribe of righteousness.
2 Approach and hear my voice. Go and say to the Watchers of heaven, for whom you have come to intercede: "You should intercede for men, and not men for you."
3 Why and for what cause have you left the high, holy and eternal heaven, and had sex with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children of the earth, and begotten (as your) sons?
4 Though you were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten children with the blood of flesh, and as the children of men, you have lusted after flesh and blood like those who die and are killed.
5 This is why I have given men wives, that they might impregnate them, and have children by them, that deeds might continue on earth.
6 But you were formerly spiritual, living the eternal life, immortal for all generations of the world.
7 Therefore, I have not appointed wives for you; you are spiritual beings of heaven, and in heaven was your dwelling place.


Luke 20 v 34 - 36;

34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Be sure to see how Muttley is going to twist the hell out of this your post. Again this was why I said using Luke 20:34-36 to defend Genesis 6:2 was a weak argument and totally out of context. Last year I told MuttleyLaff that for the fact that Jesus said angels do not marry in heaven does not mean they could not commit the act because that is their jurisdiction and a boundary they shouldn't dare cross over but some of the angels did and were greatly punished. Good one @OkCornel

[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=82964322]If you want to hide information from someone like this guy et al, just put it in a post. They have trouble challenges with reading and understanding posts. They see and call them something like "... too many words but no message or single truth in it" or even have the cheek to call it "long Epistles." Smh. Eight months is long enough for bruises to get healed, I guess you've now come out of your self imposed extended winter hibernation for fresh bruises, after your sudden rapid AWOL exit (i.e. https://www.nairaland.com/5011271/said-angels-dont-sexual-feelings#75579172)

The only trouble and challenges i have is reading your meaningless epistle that is carefully written to deny and reject the truth.

Maamin, aside the glaring "korokoro, in your face" irrefutable evidence in Genesis 6:4 and the above quoted comment, fyi, it is only human beings who are made in the image of the Godhead and after the Godhead's likeness, not celestial beings and/or animals. Humans are what's called "sons of God", not animals and by extension, even not celestial beings also known as, angels too.

Yet celestial beings can take human forms, leave their first estate, appear like humans till the point humans want to have carnal knowledge of them in (Sodom and Gomorrah), they can eat as well and do other human activities. The Bible called them sons of God in Genesis 6:2 , Job 1:6, Job 2:1. Yet MuttleyLaff keep denying the glaring evidence.

MuttleyLaff "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and afterward as well, when the sons of God had sexual relations with the daughters of men. And they bore them children who became the mighty men of old, men of renown"
- Genesis 6:4 Berean Study Bible

Genesis 6:1-4 KJVS
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
[2] That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
[3] And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
[4] There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.he nephilims, were already on the earth in those days, meaning they already existed, before the sons of God began to have sexual relations with the daughters of men. The Bible in black and white doesnt not and cannot lie Maamin please.

The giants in the earth in those days came from where? ..ok use this logic Cain went to the land of Nod and got himself a woman. Where did the people of Nod came from? Did they fall from heaven? Same way the Giants on Earth in those days came from the sons of God and daughters of men. Deal with it

You will eat those words and search for me apologise. Mark my words and watch this space Ma'am

You are already eating your words. Let the Bible be truth and all men liars.

Actually, and for the scriptural truth ....sons of God in Genesis 6:1-2 et al, are humans, not and never angels Maamin

The Bible says otherwise ....keep reading it , it will Dawn on you soon.

"You must not add to or subtract from what I command you ..."
- Deuteronomy 4:2a

"So be careful to obey all the commands I give you.
You must not add anything to them or subtract anything from them."
- Deuteronomy 12:32

You are the one adding to and subtracting out of the scriptures.

[s]You want to deny the Bible isnt doctored, erhn, that it isnt tampered with hmm?.

Or you're admitting that you're ignorant of the truth, that at least an actual word, in the Book of Job, was interfered with, hmm? Interfered with, as in meaning, the word was changed. All Bible translation versions except for just only one, is a victim of this changing of the word. It is only one version I've found that the original word is retained and left unchanged.

Except someone wants to seal their fate, it literally is written, you must not add anything to or subtract anything from the Bible, but this word is and was changed, so thereafter draws off the scent to who really are the sons of God. 'Twas King, who said, the trust of the innocent is the liar's most useful tool. The devil is a liar. Smh[/s]

The rest is crappy epistle as usual.

EMILO2STAY:
I think the guy is demented

Seriously I think he is pained and bittered about accepting Bible truth for what it is.

MuttleyLaff:
Smh, lol, my long lost very good "customer mi, daada ni". It is true that sometime last year around September, if I recall correctly and early this year February, I did, at least that twice, engage you, on the subject matter of "sons of God" mistaken for angels, Nephilims etcetera.

On each of those two occasions, you were blindly and poorly arguing that angels have sexual desires. You were mistaking Nephilims in Genesis 6:2-4 and elsewhere, like in the book of Job, to be angels. You did your disappearing AWOL act after trying to obfuscate the topic with bringing in the witch of Endor and Prophet Samuel's dead spirit. Smh

I informed you then that angels are celestial beings, who only take on appearance of human forms when on assignment from God. Except being on official assignment, celestial beings never take on form that look or resembles human beings. I further mentioned that, it is part of the reasons, why no one has ever seen physically Satan or physically seen a demon. Maamin, should in case you've forgotten. I expressly repeat here again for your attention that, only human beings are given the mandate to procreate, and never celestial beings, also known as, angels are granted that privilege

Maamin, Maamin, Maamin, how many times did I call? Lol, nvm. Read the last sentence in your comment and please tell me if its not a reflection of you. Fyi, I am conversing with nijabazaar at the moment on this same subject matter, why not keep your eyes and ears open, as you will learn something from my interaction with him. Lol.

None of you guys have the chutzpah. Nine out of ten of y'all, can't even swallow, stomach and retain my tough and hard good bullshits, let alone stand head-to-head with me on this subject matter. See, I gave the go-ahead to shine like a star to "you-know-who", told "you-know-who" to go open a thread, send me an invite notification to come join and trash out the genuineness or not, of the Book of Enoch together, but did "you-know-who" create the thread and be willing to go toe-to-toe with me on it?. Of course not, "you-know-who" couldn't and wouldnt, because "you-know-who" developed stage fright from knowing what will come of it, it will be the death and end of the truth, diluted with lies, "you-know-who" learned and have enjoyed to believe.

Maamin, truth is more valuable if it takes you a few years to find it. Even if you know a thousand things, ask the man, somebody like me, who knows the one thing on the "sons of God" you don't know about. Never underestimate someone because you never know what true knowledge about the "Holy Grail" meaning of the "sons of God" information, they might be holding in

Now watch and learn Maamin. Take it, as an unexpected learning opportunity and thank nijabazaar later for it.
https://www.nairaland.com/5450889/why-book-enoch-removed-bible/1#82913164

Nephililms are not sons of God but the offsprings as a result of what transpired between the sons of God and daughters of men. Your too many words with no message is making you say things and generate stories that were never told. Watch it bro!

And for the scriptural truth ....sons of God in Genesis 6:1-2 are angels. You can deny all you want but you can't change that. It is written and sealed!

OkCornel:
EMILO2STAY, Maamin, budaatum...


Come and see plenty words from Muttley with absolutely no meaning at all.

My brother I see am..as usual. Too many words but no message or single truth in it.

I remember sometime last year where I discussed this very issue of sons of God with MuttleyLaff in a different thread. With all evidence from Genesis 6:2 , Job 1:6-8, Job 2:1-2, Jude , 2 Peter ..and Even BOOK Of Enoch. I think it's only pride and self indoctrination that will make one to claim that the sons of God are not angels.

When I came across this thread I never knew I was going to read all through 22 pages...but eventually I did. Quite interesting and an eye opener for both christians and Muslims alike to see what Islam truly stands for (deceit).

Christian Prince is not just showing the falsehood in Islam but also showing that he is knowledgeable in all Islamic studies and has first hand information of the religion. May God continue to bless and increase him in spiritual knowledge and understanding.

Shalom aleikhem !

Which one should we believe now

Now the slay queens are aware...they will start coming for midweek service too. We die here

I have been going through comments here and some people asking for evidence. Let me tell you this things are really happening. I have a video of a girl eating feaces someone shared to a WhatsApp group I belong too.

I don't know if it will be appropriate to shear such kind of stuff here. But best believe it things are happening.

MuttleyLaff:
[s]On that thread just like ihedinobi3 here, you were blindly and poorly arguing that angels have sexual desires. You were mistaken nephilims in Genesis 6:2-4 and elsewhere, like in the book of Job, to be angels.[/s]

Angels only take human forms when on assignment from God. Except being on official assignment, celestial beings never take on form that look or resembles human beings. This is part of the reasons, why no one has ever seen physically Satan or seen a demon. I repeat that only human beings were given the mandate to procreate, never celestial beings also known as angels.

How do you explain the spirit that posed as Samuel when the sorcerer summoned him ? Because that is definitely an evil spirit masquerading as Samuel's spirit.

I remembered that MuttleyLaff and I debated this Angel and Daughters of men sexual relation vivdly last year.

The scripture is Crystal and none arguably clear on this matter. Though angels are spirit beings but that does not rule out the fact that they possess the sexual desire like other created beings (humans and animals alike).

We humans have physical limitations in our present human nature. That can't be said for the angels who were originally spirit beings created to be higher than us in every sense of existence.

If in our physical form and nature we can influence the spiritual, why do you think angels in their spirit forms can't influence the physical too?

The mind bugging question is that 'can angels still cohabit with other race of living things in this present day?'

[quote author=pressplay411 post=72992401]

Thanks but I still need more clarity.
What are their functions?
Does the heart have separate functions from the spirit? Does the soul have separate functions as the mind?

The breath of life is what powers up all this organs (engine) of the body to carry out their functions to keep the flesh alive. The mind is more or less the soul. "And man became a living soul" that is a living consciousness.

My prior knowledge is that the soul contains the mind and is the seat of intellect and decision-making.
Is this right?

You are not wrong in anyway by saying that, the soul itself is the human senses and consciousness. You must have heard people ask "have you list you mind?" that is like saying "have you lost your sanity or senses". The senses and intellect comes alive when the spirit enters the body.

Take for instance a light bulb(body), without electrical current(spirit, life) the bulb does not lit (come alive as a soul). The light in other words does not exist anywhere prior to the electrical current that brings the light up when it flows into the bulb. The moment the current is switched off the light (soul, mind or consciousness) cease to be once again. When it is turned on the bulb shines.

Anas09:
Jehovah is Jesus manifested. The Holy Spirit is Jesus emanating.

If you still believe that Jehovah is different from Jesus and the Holy Spirit is different from Jesus, then you have three gods. That makes you an idol worshiper.

With the bolded, where does the idea of trinity comes from anyway?

What is the point of believing in trinity if the Bible didn't even mentioned or gave any such idea?.

[quote author=Originakalokalo post=72986525]

No sir..

The soul is not "the entire package"

From that equation in your post, if you remove the body at death, you have only the spirit remaining.....

The spirit goes back to God (scriptural).

So, what is judged then ?

nothing ?

The soul is judged...The soul of a sinner goes to hell while that of a child of God goes to heaven.

Ecc 12:7, 9:5-6, 3:19 all talks about what happens at death and it does not involve immediate judgment. All are dead and awaits to be resurrected on judgment day for their reward either good or bad.

By the grace of God. Jesus made it clear that no one has ever ascended to heaven nor descended from heaven except him.
The body and soul will be raised on the last day when the spirit is United into a body at resurrection for judgement.

The soul, body and spirit is complex, the word of God simply laying emphasis on how strong and true the word is that it can judge (divide) through the most complex bond of human as a living creature and set apart.

There are verses that address soul as the entire living creature, as the mind and consciousness of a living thing, as the life of a living thing, as the immaterial part of a living being, and so many other instances.

pressplay411:
Good morning sir.
I came across this scripture and it truly made me know I need more clarity.

Luke 10:25-28
And behold, a certain lawyer stood up and tested Him, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”
26 He said to him, “What is written in the law? What is your reading of it?”
27 So he answered and said, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’ ”
28 And He said to him, “You have answered rightly; do this and you will live.”

I was surprised the mind was separated from the soul. I used to think they were more or less the same.
Can you help disambiguate between Spirit, Soul, Mind and Heart.
Thanks.

It is not separated per say, it only telling that you must love the Lord your God with all that makes you up. The mind is part of the soul the soul is life(Spirit), the heart beats because of this life, having life in you is having strength (power, energy). They are related mutually.

Is like saying Me, myself, I. I'm still referring to myself in my very entirety. Not different substance.

I'm a Christian, but I don't believe in this story.

Probably the fire didn't get to the painting.

Let's stop making miracles out of everything.

Anas09:
Who said anything about denomination and those going to heaven. I am not an advocate of denominations. Although i am not against it as all denominations are Cells in the body of Christ. But, JW is not a denomination, but a sect or a religion of its own using the word of God as a cover, but denying the divinity of the Lord of all the Heaven and earth.

OK!

Is wearing of boxers, underpants, bra, etc also going to take us to hell?

Stop this religious ignorance concerning apparels.

Man made trousers for themselves not God.

When God discovered Adam and Eve were naked and ashamed he made figs to cover their unclothedness he did not sew trousers or skirt for them. He only covered their unclothedness. Be guided.

Anas09:
Never mind. All i have to say is 'Thank God you are not'.

Hmmm, you must be certain of the true denomination going to heaven. If you know any, point me towards the direction

Shelumiel:
[s]Like I said earlier , "just read ". The question I threw at you was one that demands a logical explanation; now give it.[/s]

Crap!

#Goes Into the dustbin

Shelumiel:
It's too early for stupidity. Just read the f**king verse and come up with a logical explanation why God , will be seeking consent from things less significant than Him .

You are the confused one here....were you not the one saying Yahweh was seeking consent in Gen 11:7 And 1:26

Shelumiel
The Father is greater than all , but yet He seeks the consent of lesser Beings (Jesus and the Holy Spirit ) to make decisions (Genesis1:26 and Genesis11:7), right ? Is that showing you He is greater than all ?

Those are your exact words

Dishonest people everywhere, yuck!

MuttleyLaff:
What is the most important out of all the three,
as in, the body/flesh, spirit and soul,
with spirit not be mistaken for the Holy Spirit though?

Spirit is the immaterial essence of the material (body). The spirit is the power source of the unconscious body. Spirit here is the breath of life. Spirit is the energy source of the lifeless body. In conclusion spirit is the most important component.

It was only when God added this vital component to the dust(body) Adam became animated (a living soul)

Blakjewelry:
you should have continue your science class bro. those gases and particles you are referring to weigh trillion of tons and they are not just any gases by hydrogen. some gas systems you see out there some span more than our solar system. and you asked how the gases ignites? its simple it all happen under the crushing effect of gravity.
today science is more than fiction it is more about fact and figure

You can continue the science class here for me.

And a potion of space started reacting and gravity begins to cave into itself and a star is born right?

But you believe an invisible entity can't be responsible for this? Hmmm

johnydon22:
You are an amazing scientist. Your genius level is outstanding. Lol

His signature though

sonmvayina:
In order words the story does not make sense or you don't understand it or....
Why not just use a good and believable comparison..

Where should the comparison be drawn from anyway?

What authoritative text did the op draws his own comparison from?

Blakjewelry:
lol if I have my way I will make science courses compulsory at certain academic level. the process of star formation and there death is well known phenomenon in the science world, so even the remnant of dead star will destroy the earth if it come close so spare a us that bs of god making the star for to the earth except he is referring to the time our galaxy will merger with Andromeda galaxy and in that chaos kiss your lovely planet goodbye

And you have seen a star formation before with your naked korokoro eyes abi? Or you are also believing and following what science wrote down ?

I am a science student too..but there is limit to what science know presently and faith is even out of it.

Wonder why gasses burn in such higher density and become million times bigger than earth? Just gasses?