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[quote author=hopefulLandlord post=70598519]Stop hyperventilating and rambling

You're not in his shoes, you have no idea the parents he has, there's no reward for his telling his people (unlike Christianity who has some imaginary heaven to look forward to), you have no idea how telling his parents might affect his life, you have no idea if telling them would have its desired effect (they might force him to go to church, they might start exorcising him, they might start weeping for him, they might start feeling like a failure, they might emotionally blackmail him, they might start thinking he's joined secret cult, they might start saying some devil is controlling him etc)

All the above remain uncertain, figment of your imagination, and speculation...he is true to himself to feel convinced in his newly found belief or unbelieve, which means 99% job well done. He shouldn't be forced to church against his will any longer by his parents. Take that deep breath and and pour your heart out to your parents at the slightest opportunity.

Besides if you are fully sure you don't have demons to be exorcised. What is the fear all about. Shebi na your parents go cast demon tire? Till dem give up

Its not lack of conviction that makes it hard for him. its the potential consequences that makes him reticent about it

Compared to his happiness and peace of mind I think is worth it..who knows he might convert his parents as well. Come on what do you think?

[quote author=RuthlessLeader post=70597759]No. Atheism just means not believing that god or gods exists(like how you don't believe lord of the rings is real). What you are talking about is nihilism which any atheist is free to believe or disbelieve.

Lol..
You: Not believing that...
Me: Believe that there is no..

1+2 = 3
2+1 = 3

Same thing bro!

I as an atheist believe that my life doesn't have a purpose chosen for me by someone else. My purpose and the meaning of life is the one I choose to make of it by my own free will to the best of my ability.

Good for you

NPComplete:
Another stupid comparison by people incapable of deep thought. Are u a Christian? If u are I will like to see u try and defend ur faith in deep Afghanistan or Pakistan. If u can't go there and do that, just shut the hell up. That should give u an inkling about what atheists and even fringe religions face in an unevolved society like Nigeria. So stop boasting about needing to defend theism. There is usually no reason for us to defend theism in Nigeria.

Deep thought indeed. Who ask him to go to Afghanistan or Pakistan to go and proclaim his newly found belief?

Your new disciple can't even tell his own parent, is what the concern is all about. So he will have to keep pretending to go to church or what? Now that is stupid.

hopefulLandlord:
I wonder why maamin hasn't gone to sambisa forest to defend his belief there rather than call others cowards on the internet straight from the comfort of his parent's house in a family filled with Christians, house located in an area where Christians constitute overwhelming majority, area where there are more churches than schools, hospitals, nursing homes combined

The dude claim to be a new convert to the "there is is no God thingy" but afraid to tell the people as close to you as the parents that gave birth to you...or afraid to summon the courage to tell them, what truth do you really possess again that you find difficult to tell? Is he still going to keep pretending to go to church with his parents?

U said I called him coward? Wow! Thanks for helping me out there anyway.

I did not ask him to go to church or mosque or Sambisa to do so. If only those in Sambisa will also not trouble other people's faith as well.

Dalamama:
Ogbeni, man up, go to any Mosques in Kaduna or Kano and defend Jesus by telling the people inside the mosques that they are lying when they say that Jesus is not the son of God and let's see how it ends up for you. Until you do that don't come here and be lying that you can sya d anywhere and defend your faith. It is a lie and you are a liar. Yu can't go to any mosque in the north and defend your faith against those that claim your faith is false.

Only if you understood my point before you replied. Did I say the newly Atheist convert should go and attack other belief system in their places of worship to prove to them that his belief is superior?. Understand before you reply next time.

FYI I was born and brought up in the north. If you ask me of my faith and what I belief I will stand and tell you with meekness.

1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

The dude is convinced in his heart of the hope or newly found believe. He shouldn't pretend to disclose it to his parents by engaging in religious activity he no long profess.

CAPSLOCKED:
YOU CAN STAND ANYWHERE IN YOUR HOUSE AND ON THIS FORUM TO BEAT YOUR CHEST.

TRY IT ON THE STREETS OF KANO OR SOKOTO AND THY GOD WILL DISAPPOINT YOU BADLY. HE'LL FOLD HIS ARMS AND WATCH IN HD WHILE DRINKING PALMWINE HOW ABOKI'S BUTCHER YOU LIKE SALLAH MEAT.

If the area or Street in Sokoto permits evangelism why not. What are you afraid of death for? An Atheist afraid of death isn't life suppose to be meaningless according to you.

tintingz:
In Africa coming out as atheists is highly risky.

With freedom to practice any belief system you like in Nigeria..i don't think "highly risky" should be the right words. No not at all

Trust me there is nothing special or intriguing about this.

I will take it just as face value.

It is perfectly within what they(Muslim/Islam) belief in their Quran

Even if they name the kabba "Jesus the Son of Mary" I will still not marvel. It's still within their Quran.

It's more like an indirect gloating.

if it's the truth you seek and also are convinced in your heart about it and can stand and defend it...you shouldn't be afraid to come open about it to your parents.

I believe there is God, and I can stand anywhere to defend my belief.

You believe there is no God, and you can't even man up to defend it.

The bible says Man is the head of the Woman...

Don't blame those pastors too much for taking it too far.

bunbit23:
Because you don't know, there's no force in the said sky which can divide waters if not air.
This small boy let me leave you here!
I have taught you enough.
Wisdom I repeat "Is not for all".
Some people must be wise why others must be foolish.
It happens that you are among the foolish why am wise!
I know because it's true!

By their fruits, you shall know them!!!!

Bwahahahaha...you can call me All sort of names you like. But you must provide when AIR was created in Genesis account today. ,Sky will not be considered..mba!

bunbit23:
Accept your foolishness and rest in disturbances! I have severally addressed you being foolish. It's not an insult but candid explanation hence you are ignorant himself.
Study to show thyself approved unto the most high.

Bwahahahaha... "the fool says in his heart that there is no God that created waters.

bloodofthelamb:
The scripture which which says "all things" came into being through the word of God is clear enough. The Bible did not specify when somethings are made. Do we now conclude that they were not made/created?

My dear, I taya for this Grand master O!

That was why I asked him if Saturn, Jupiter and the rest of the celestial bodies not mentioned in Genesis creation account were also not created by God.

bunbit23:
Respect to whom respect is due!
That which you don't know, do you see how I gladly answered to help the ignorant gain knowledge of the truth?

That's fruit of holy spirits. Signs telling you "He is a light bearer".

Could you please tell us the day waters was created?
If you can't, bye bye and be careful not to pass wrong information where there's truth. You will always be humiliated for truth is light. Where there's light, darkness never stand.

We are more spiritual than physical.
Angels guide

Bwahahahaha..hunku I fear that you are more in darkness than you think. Gushhh!

The holy spirit is not telling u anything but your self made Grand master.lol!

God will deliver you.

bunbit23:
Alright! Last night you had jobs and family to attend to. This morning you don't have jobs and family that's why you and I are here on nairaland again this morning.

Can you please answer the question?
Remember I asked yours without logic and wasting of time.
Do so answering my question.
The question remains, which day of creation was waters? First or second day? fifth or sixth day?

Like I said I will reply you at my own convenient time if it's now you will get it...if the convenient time is next 2 to 10 years you will get it.

I have answered and debunked your lies in the page 1 of this thread already.

answering my own question.
And the question remains, which day of creation was Air? First or second day? fifth or sixth day?

Answer should be strictly from Genesis biko!

bunbit23:
Provide your answers in same manner and stop beating about the bush. David did not have records of genealogy and must have speaking in his own account. Therefore, don't answer my question using David's record whereas I expect answers from Genesis. Truth never lie!

So record of David is not God's inspired word abi?

You must think you are conversing with one of your gullible followers.

I might choose to ask you for the direct account from God Himself and not any prophet or record of man. Smh!

bunbit23:
God said, 'Let there be a dome in the middle of the water; let it divide the water from the water.'

7 God made the dome and divided the water under the dome from the water above the dome; that is how it was,

8 and God called the dome Sky. So there was evening, and there was morning, a second day.

Let me use your logic. So sky is air?. Oga me too no gree. I need the day among the 7 days of creation when AIR was created not sky.

bloodofthelamb:
Lol at grand master of knowledge! Even Christ Jesus who is wisdom personified is meek and lowly in heart.

Help me tell am O!...the dude pride in himself for knowing absolutely nothing.

bunbit23:
A fool has returned after so many hours he left seeking for an answer only to find none. Last night you took time quoting bible as if you are special advicer or pen holder to Moses. Same yesterday you had our question to provide a verse where it's written that God created waters in the book of Genesis. You left for hours only to return this morning ignoring the answer.

Lol..oga GM, I have a job and life outside Nairaland, I rest, I sleep, I attend to family and other matters of life., I am not jobless like you deceiving innocent souls on whatsapp calling yourself grand master of one deluded whatsapp occult. So I will reply you when it's most convenient at my own spare time.

After busting the bubbles of your falsehood you quickly switched into waters and denied sea. Because sea is not water but bobo juice hun?

The bible was right about false teachers and prophets.

"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light." 2 Cor 11:14

bunbit23:
Water is water. It stand alone. It's visible,you can see her, I can see her . What's the essence of comparing water with deep and something lengthy abracadabra?
Tell us the day water was created since its not a "by the way". For your information, nothing on earth is as valuable as water. If this is proving to be true, why must bible refused telling you it was created on the first day or second day perhaps last day? Can't you think and become wise?

God created everything visible and invisible all by himself. One thing I'm sure is you didn't create a Damn drop of water.

Hebrews 11:1 "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."

Deep and something lengthy is where/out of what God spoke everything into existence. so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear

You claim that you know but you know nothing. You are empty as the void from which God called out everything into existence. Smh!

bunbit23:
We are talking about waters here not deep or anything synonymous with deep and waters but waters precisely. Therefore, let's talk waters!

, let's talk about the air you breath when was it created

bunbit23:
You have started asking questions to learn from grand master of knowledge!
This you should have done earlier and expect true definition and answers to help knowledge.

Grand master of error, Oga! you have nothing to teach someone except your gullible followers that you have been feeding with lies and falsehood.

bunbit23:
Indeed it's a secret knowledge. Secret is act of hiding a thing from the unknown. This is why it's not secret to the known but the unknown.
Understanding the word of truth brings confusion to the ignorant.
From your explanation so far @muttleylaff, your understanding about the creation of heaven and earth means creation of waters?

Do I blame you for an attempt to twist the truth?
You are just like your masters (religious leaders).
You learnt from them and can't make a difference.

But then, try as much as possible to get knowledge and understanding of the words as written in the Bible not as explained to you for truth is light.
Truth stand alone and never lay behind anything.

Waters are waters when you read the first chapter of book of genealogy (Genesis). The writer was precise, mentioning waters and never called heaven and earth waters as you do!
Why?
Because he got guidance by Holy Spirit!

When he said "God created heaven and earth in the beginning" in Genesis chapter 1 verse 1.

Please spare us false information not to misinterpret his true information.

When he said in verse 2 of genesis chapter 1 that.... The earth was unformed and void, darkness was on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God hovered over the surface of the WATER.

Don't think he forgot mentioning water in first verse bit have to repeat in second verse.

What do I have to tell you here?
We took oath of truth to say the truth and defend the truth whenever and however, even though we did, that does not mean we should persuad ignorant to become wise hence am sure wisdom is as precious as good. I don't expect everyone to pay the prize, this is why everyone must not be wise!


It took the writer nothing to say "in the beginning God created heaven, earth and waters" if he does.

Have you read the Bible book of genesis chapter one?
If you do, what other thing was repeated as often times as the word WATER?

Then, why do you think it was a mistake for the writer not telling us that water was created in the first day or third day or sixth day as he carefully stated on other things?


Are you learning and growing in knowledge?
Truth is life! Truth stand upright!! Truth is just and don't need support therefore whenever you are saying the truth, avoid supporting it with anything. Only a fool find truth incomprehensible!

Angels guide!

The way people lie these days and back it up with just about anything..is amazing

Oga stop denying the hand work of God your creator, you didn't create even the air you breath right now, when was the air you breath created?

bunbit23:
Now let me tell you something, not to teach you wisdom which the gods have denied you but to review the truth to readers.

Waters is very important that bible must not make mistakes, not telling us the day it was created if bible can remember telling us the day "the moon and stars, heaven and earth, fishes and animals, plants and human" are all created.

if you read Bible book of genesis chapter one.
you find out that waters was mentioned more than 15 times in chapter one of book of Genesis.

if chapter one of genesis remembered to repeat and mentioned waters as many as possible, it wasn't a mistake if he (the writer) felt to give account on the day of creation (of waters) if he remembered others except waters.

Now, read verse two of genesis chapter one.
it says: The earth was unformed and void, darkness was on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God hovered over the surface of the water.

Look, let me tell you. In as much as I don't ask you to get wisdom and understanding (knowing the gods have denied it from you) I do rather ask you respect those who are greater than you. Even people who are mad before you do so. And those who will mad after you shall do so. Looking at your fingers, you must understand they aren't equal.

Even a blind man can attest to that.
Be careful!!

"Waters" that is collectively in plural meaning both heavenly waters(which includes rain, the flood gate of heaven etc) and earthly waters(seas,oceans,rivers) were all formless as God's breath hover atop it, before he separated them.

If you agree that this very waters was what he separated above and beneath why do you disagree that sea is in fact this waters in the verses I supplied?

Psalm 95:3-5
"For the Lord is the great God, the great King above all gods. In his hand are the depths of the earth, and the mountain peaks belong to him. The sea is his, for he made it, and his hands formed the dry land."

The truth is starring you in the face oga GM.

[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=70555664]You come across as someone with an exaggerated sense of their ability(ies)

A little humility would have crown him anyway.

"¹In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
²Now the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep.
And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters. "
- Genesis 1:1-2

God created waters in Genesis 1:1 above, where and when it said:
"In the beginning, when God created the heavens and the earth"

It is the surface, of the not yet separated, body of waters above the heavens and the body of waters on the earth, created in Genesis 1:1, that the Spirit of God, in Genesis 1:2, was hovering over

Do you mind exhibiting some modicum of decent behaviour and language kept in good taste and propriety?

I notice he's very pompous as well

I read your detailed backed up with scriptural verses rebuttal.
Maamin, you just have to settle to agreeing to disagree with him

I was very moved to quickly correct his error, because some of his blind unsuspecting followers calling him GM, are/have falling for his false teaching. Only for him to come back raining insult

ichuka:
Can you back it up with scriptures?
Prince of the air are fallen angels,principalities in high places are fallen angels too.
They don't dwell in human.
Only lower spirits called demon/evil spirit does that.

Who then created this lower spirits? Because I believe all spirit beings were God's creation. The Devils/Falling angels/Demons can manipulate and cause disruption they can live inside a host as well.

ichuka:
ACTS23:8(The Sadducees say that there is no resurrection,and that there are neither ANGELS nor SPIRITS but the Pharisees believe all these things.)
9There was a great uproar, and some of the teachers of the law who were Pharisees stood up and argued vigorously. “We find nothing wrong with this man,”they said. “What if a SPIRIT or an ANGEL has spoken to him?”
Acts 23:8-9 proves that the demons are not fallen angels.In these two verses we see that angels and spirits are classified as two different kinds of beings. Even the ancient Jewish Pharisees put demons and angels into separate categories.If we read the four Gospels carefully, we will discover that the demons are also called evil spirits.Not only the angels are spirits; demons also are spirits.

The last sentence of your comments, made it clear who the word "SPIRIT" could be referring to in Act 23:8-9 since demons are also spirits.

Demons are in fact falling Angels, but because they have been cast away and reserved for eternal bound of chain and darkness from the presence of God, they are completely malevolent and wicked spirits.

The Bible teaches that the Creator himself is a Spirit and that his first creations were spirits. (John 4:24; Hebrews 1:13, 14) Further, the Bible mentions wicked spirits, sometimes referring to them as demons. (1 Corinthians 10:20, 21; James 2:19) But it does not teach that God created demons. Neither angels sleeping with daughters of men can result to creation of demons since they are immortal spirit beings too. Who, then, are they, and how did they come to exist?

When God created spirit creatures, he made them free moral agents, able to choose for themselves whether to do good or bad. Sadly, after the creation of humankind, an undisclosed number of angels chose to do bad by rebelling against God.

The first and most infamous spirit to rebel became Satan. “He did not stand fast in the truth,” said Jesus Christ. (John 8:44) What moved Satan to turn against God? He began to covet the worship that belongs exclusively to the Creator, and then he acted on that desire by setting himself up as a rival god. In this way he made himself “Satan,” a word that means “resister.” Centuries later, prior to the Flood of Noah’s day, other angels joined Satan, forsaking their heavenly position to materialize in human form and dwell on earth. (Genesis 6:1-4; James 1:13-15) When the Flood occurred, the materialized “angels that sinned” apparently returned to the spirit realm. But trust, they no longer deserve to be in God's presence just like Satan they were cast away(2 Peter 2:4; Genesis 7:17-24) In time, they came to be called demons/devils.​ read Deuteronomy 32:17; Mark 1:34.

bunbit23:
this is what genesis chapter 1 vs 1 said

 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Heavens here mean the atmosphere alone right, or earth means only clay abi?

When you say heavens doesn't that mean all heavenly bodies in it entirety?

When you say earth doesn't it mean all the vegetation, waters and solid rocks in it entirety?

You know the truth and it surely have come to you.

bunbit23:
You have started talking another thing like a mad man. I asked for a Bible verse where bible made us understand that God created waters.
That was my question!
I need answers.

should you forgot, accounts of creation started from genesis chapter one.

may we know where bible gave account the day waters was created.

that's my question!

do provide answers and stop beating about the bush!

I might choose to ask you when did God created the so called spiritual realm you claimed to be in right now, the Angels, Seraphims, Cherubims, the Rain, Thunder, Lightening, Ocean, Uranus, Saturn, Jupiter, Andromeda Galaxy, Meteorites, other billions of Galaxies and so many more that was not categorically stated in the bible

Because it was not mentioned in Genesis does not imply in anyway that God did not create the waters.

[11/7, 20:00] Odogwuakataaka: He didn't create waters hence water was in existence. Genesis chapter 1 gave true account of creation, names of things and period of their creation was mentioned and well stated.
Genesis gave readers clear view point making it possible to understand creatures and days of their creation. Where did you read that waters was created and the day it was created, or do you think water was considered unimportant factor that it could be ignored?
[11/7, 20:03] Odogwuakataaka: If you think otherwise, why did verse 2 made us to understand that THE SPIRIT OF THE MOST HIGH WAS MOVING OVER THE FACE OF THE WATERS?

Those are your words.

God created WATERS in Genesis 1:1, the moment he created heavens and the earth.

Whenever the heavens are mentioned it is taken in totality of all that is in it. The same the earth is mentioned to contain all that is in it including the sea, ocean, and Body of water(s) in it.

Oga stop deceiving people ok.

@Muttleylaff help me check this Op quickly to be sure. I mean I just read that he claims God did not create waters(sea).

bunbit23:
Perhaps you don't know that I Odogwuakataaka do not give a dog precious food.
Wisdom is valuable. As precious as gold this is why a fool can't get wise no matter how much he try to understand. Secret knowledge of the gods and goddesses belongs to their beloved not to ofeke.
I may choose to ask you one question but what is my gain engaging a fool in a spiritual matters?
Nevertheless, I may like to read in your verse from the Bible from Genesis to Revelation "where your god created waters". Perhaps it's your god that created waters. Since you know bible too well, let us read along with you a verse where your God created waters. If you can't give us the verse, kindly be yourself with your foolishness and stop displaying your stupidity know the public. I have gone far in the realms of spirits and can't return as failure. As for you, you are nothing but a chaff.

Wow! Damn...!!!!! truth as they say hurt right?.. look at you already fuming out of your blasphemous and lying tongue

I have feed you with all the verse from the bible about God the creator of the waters(sea). Oga GM of lies, you choose to deny them in broad daylight. Which of the Lord's favour upon your self deluded existence can you possibly deny.

I see you truly have gone far in the realm of darkness and falsehood

It pains you that your lies were exposed quickly hun! Sorry, But I cant watch you deceive unsuspecting and innocent seekers of truth here.

May the light of Christ shine on you.

OtemAtum:
People accuse Yahweh because of his loud mouth. He talked a lot. If he hadn't boasted too much, nobody would have accused him of anything. Look at his brothers and sisters such as Chukwu, Olodumare, Abassi, Atum, Chaleb, Chimides,Nyame, etc. All these gods are the godmates of Yahweh the bible god, but they didn't boast too much. They allow the MULTIVERSE to follow its own course, so no one accuses them of anything. But our brothers called Yahweh and Allah are too loudmouthed. They are like empty barrels that make the loudest noise, so they are being paid back in their own coin these days when the brains of the humans have developed more than their own.

The words you speak are not even yours. How can I take you serious. Self made delution of grandeur.