CaseSensitive: You raised a good point. Someone else has quoted my analysis raising the same points you raised, so see my response to them below. I hope that will answer your question too. If not, feel free to reach out again. I'll be happy to dissect in more detail.
Iran shouting “Death to America” is a political slogan, not a literal military strategy. It’s a chant rooted in anti-imperialism, not a declaration of planned nuclear war or actual genocide. Iran’s leadership has clarified repeatedly that the slogan targets U.S. foreign policy, not American people. It’s no different from chants like “Yankee go home” in Latin America during the Cold War. It's a slogans of resistance, not declarations of war.
Let’s not forget: the U.S. overthrew Iran’s democratic government in 1953, supported Saddam Hussein’s war against Iran (where chemical weapons were used), imposed decades of sanctions, killed General Qassem Soleimani on foreign soil, and surrounded Iran with military bases. Would any sovereign nation stay quiet after that? C'mon man!
Iran’s support for proxies is strategic defense, not random aggression. If you’re surrounded by hostile forces, you build deterrence through alliances. The U.S. does it too — in NATO, with Taiwan, and with Israel. So when Iran does it, suddenly it’s “sponsoring terror,” but when the West does it, it’s called “maintaining global security”? That’s a double standard.
And about the fear of Iran destroying the U.S. Let’s be real. Iran doesn’t have the military capability to “totally destroy” America, and they know it. It’s not about conquest, it’s about resisting domination. The same way Vietnam, Cuba, or Venezuela resisted, Iran is resisting.
If words like “Death to America” justify preemptive strikes, what about U.S. officials calling for “bombing Iran,” “obliterating North Korea,” or saying “Assad must go”? Should those be taken as license to invade Washington?
We can’t take slogans literally for one country and ignore the real violence done by others. If we want peace, we need to understand why countries resist the West — and whether that resistance is self-defense, not pure hatred.
They dont only chant it they work tirelessly to carry out this destruction of Israel..this no amount of lies and twisting of the reality can cover or white wash it, but will always fail. Israel has more advance intelligence in this geopolitical game.
Krismas: Wakeup from your dreams 1. The Paris weapons show organizers banned Israel from displaying offensive weapons like the sort with which they are committing genocide in Gaza They were told to show only defensive weapons. That must be why they displaying Iron dome, whos credibility is next to nothing after Iranian missiles demystified it. Or would you consider an aerial defense with the kind of performance below?
2. The talk about destroying Iranian launchpads is hot air. Aside striking lots of decoys in Tehran. Israeli missiles are too light to cause significant damage, as they are fired from fighter Jets. Israel is not the one to decide for Iran, how many missiles they should launch per wave or from which part of the country such launches should emanate. They can continue to console themselves with delusions
3. Go and ask the Israeli minister of financial how crushed the Israeli economy is, at the moment. They cannot sustain this war for one month. And the gamble was that America will rush in soon enough to bail them out, against all warning of the IDF chief of staff to Netanyahu to secure such guarantee from Trump before ever starting the war.
The same propaganda you all peddle against israel vs Hamas and Hezbollah, claiming Israel cant sustain their war with the terror groups for month. Where are they today ? Gone!
Iran wont know what hit them soon. The snake head will soon be cut off
CaseSensitive: I really hope we as Africans will see the bigger picture here concerning the Israel-Iran war. This war is never about Iran enriching nuclear, I repeat, THIS WAR IS NEVER ABOUT IRAN ENRICHING NUCLEAR. It is a pretext for something much sinister, western-style. There are a lot of moving parts to unravel. First you need to dig deep into the Israel’s formation, the relationship between Israel and USA, and by extension, Israel and the collective Western countries. I’m not going to go into nitty gritty, you can do your own research.
Iran’s nuclear program has always been under America’s intense scrutiny. Even after years of satellite monitoring and intelligence reports, There was no definitive evidence that emerged to prove that Iran is actively pursuing the development of nuclear weapons. This same rhetoric was used as a pretext to invade Iraq during the regime of Sadam Hussein. Did they find any nuclear weapon in Iraq? NO, yet America was hellbent on forcing a regime change in Iraq, they killed thousands of civilians, destabilised the country because of their strategic and geopolitical interests. After America overthrew Saddam Hussein, ISIS was born. Iraq today is a $hithole, way worse than it was before invasion.
Remember Libya? Libya had one of the highest GDPs per capita in Africa under Gaddafi, with free education, healthcare, and subsidized housing. Gaddafi was a Pan African who positioned himself as a champion of Africa Unity, advocating for a United States of Africa with a common government, military and currency. He invested heavily in many Africa countries, he worked to introduce a gold backed dinar which was intended to replace the CFA Franc which will challenge the dominance of dollar and Euro in Africa. The West saw that as a threat to their economic order. What later happened? They created condition the Arab Spring uprising which gave them a reason to invoke United Nation mandate to “protect civilian” (They don’t give a F about you by the way). They called NATO in, NATO created the condition and environment for rebel forces to capture and kill Ghadaffi. What became of Libya afterwards? Nothing but a failed state. The country is in ruins, a major haven for terrorists and a hub for illegal arms dealing.
Remember Somalia? Though the West didn’t invent in Somalia’s crisis but it contributed significantly to its collapse. Remember Syria too? Ukraine is fresh. Notice a pattern? A pattern of coup, regime change, unrests, instilling a leader of their chosen to favour their own economic interest. Wait, you really think you vote for your own leaders? Who do you think are supporting terrorists like BH etc?
Back to Iran, The core issue has never truly been uranium enrichment, it has been Iran’s pursuit of independence. Unlike several Arab governments, Iran resists aligning with Washington’s agenda, rejects normalization with Israel under current conditions, and refuses to integrate into the Western geopolitical sphere. For this defiance, it faces consequences: economic sanctions, diplomatic isolation, and, when deemed necessary, military threats. So the war is a manufactured crisis designed to justify murder under the pretence of security.
If Iran wants to build a nuclear weapon, why can’t they? Israel have nuclear weapon but are not signatory to Non Nuclear Proliferation Treaty. Iran that doesn’t have nuclear weapon is a signatory to the treaty. Why? So that the west can suppress and harass them. Do you not think North Korea would have been invaded already? The only reason the West would NEVER try it is because North Korea has nuclear weapons. If Iran has nuclear weapon, the illegal assault on Iran by Israel and USA wouldn’t have happened. If Iran have nuclear weapon, do you think they will use it? No! Because no one wins a nuclear war. If Iran attack any nation with nuclear weapon, another nation will turn the whole of Iran to dust. It’s as simple as that. Nuclear weapon is a deterrence. The west would make you believe that Iran is a terrorist state because guess what? All the western media that we consume is owned by Jews. All the CNN, Fox News, Sky News UK, Daily Mail, MSNBC and all the online news etc, name it. They’ve also infiltrated Africa media to push THEIR narrative and their narratives only. Israel has destroyed every hospital in Gaza, how much of that do you see in the media? Iran launched a missile to hospital in Israel and it’s all over the news.
USA and the collective West also wants to maintain their economic, military and political dominance on the who world. Iran is in their way of achieving that. If they are successful in destabilising Iran, that means the West have control of the Persian Gulf, the Strait of Hormuz where the shipping of commodities that powers the world passes through. Also, a destabilised Iran means the whole of Middle East is in America’s pocket. The dollar has dominated world trade for almost 100 years. Other world power are challenging that, bringing alternatives like BRICS to the table which will truly make the world multipolar, diminishing USA and western influence. Major players in BRICS are Russia and China. If Iran falls, Russia’s influence will dwindle, China will feel it. This will be a huge setback for BRICS which means USA and the dollar maintain dominance. This also means Russia and China’s influence is Africa will dwindle and America’s and Europe’s influence in Africa grows. The West has never had the best interest of Africa at heart, other than steal, extort, oppress and suppress. China and Russia are trading fairly with African nations, without conditions. Guess who has traded one sided deals plus conditions with Africa? Your guess is as good as mine. Yes, the West! But we have Stockholm syndrome as Africans, that’s why we believe America and Europe are our friends, they’re not. Far from it!
This is certainly America’s war using their proxy (Israel) because Israel will never start a war without America’s approval. When America and the West are planning a war, they use peace as a pretext, history is a lesson. They’ve caused enough havoc to the world already. There are several reports and videos (which I can share of course) of them claiming that they are intentionally keeping Africa poor because a rich Africa is a threat to them but like I said, we are now seeing a multipolar world where the world don’t have to look up to America. But America has woken up to that fact and wants to severe the chance of a multipolar world. Waging a war against Iran is a starting point. Wake up and see the bigger picture!
And to Religious zealots, this is not a religious war, it’s not a Christian v Muslim war. If you think the people of Israel referenced in the bible are the same modern day Israeli people, then I feel sorry for whoever sent you to school.
Too Long; Didn’t Read (TL;DR): The conflict with Iran isn’t really about nuclear weapons — that’s just a pretext. The real issue is Iran’s refusal to submit to U.S. and Western dominance, align with Israel, or abandon its independent foreign policy. Similar Western-backed interventions in Iraq, Libya, Somalia, and elsewhere have led to chaos, regime changes, and weakened nations — all in service of maintaining global dominance, especially of the U.S. dollar and Western interests. Iran’s resistance, alongside rising powers like Russia and China through BRICS, threatens this control. The Israel-Iran conflict is part of a broader geopolitical strategy to crush independent voices and preserve Western hegemony — not a religious war or fight for global security. Africans/Nigerians must wake up and see the bigger picture.
Well analysis put together by you there...but you fail to include the part where Iran keep chanting to destroy Israel and Aemrica for 46years, you omitted the part were Iran has been threatening Death to israel and America for years now. You Also omitted where Iran setup all the terrorist proxies around Israel to further carry out their proxy wars to annihilate the jewish people. This is why America and Israel dont feel safe with Iran nuclear program.
My surname is Jatto and I am Ebira from Kogi state. However, I was born and bred outside the state and have scarcely been there. My Father and grandfather were also raised outside the state but when I asked, I was told it's a term used for light skinned people, especially when being compared with the white, e.g what many Nigerians call "Oyinbo". I don't have much information asides this, but will make more enquiries. I hope this helps and invite everyone who has some information to enlighten us on the quest of our roots.
You are absolutely correct...I am Jatto as well from Kogi state an Ebira dude.
NeoWanZaeed: CLAIMING TO FOLLOW PROPHET MUHAMMAD AND CLAIMING TO BE A MUSLIM IS VERY EASY. . . ITS TO BRING PROOF THAT SUPPORTS UR CLAIM IN QURAN AND HADITH THATS THE MAIN THING. . JUST LIKE EVERYONE CLAIMS TO BE CHRISTIAN BUT TO ATTEST AND AFFIRM THAT IS THE PROBLEM COZ BIBLE XEF NA WASH
Tcwork: Yes because they saw Jehovah John 1.18 No man has seen God at any time;+ the only-begotten god+ who is at the Father’s side*+ is the one who has explained Him. It was Christ they saw. It was Jehovah they saw
And i suppose the same Jehovah or Christ they all saw was the one in Exdus that told Moses that he cant see his face and live? Are you for real right now?
Exodus 33:19-21 KJV And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. [20] And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. [21] And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
Note : the wors 'LORD' is in uppercase to signify the name 'Jehovah'
Tcwork: Please that was a different time. Moses and the congregation were not privileged to see Jehovah's face everytime but the few times he was seen, it was clearly recorded Genesis 32.30 30 So Jacob named the place Pe·niʹel,*+ for he said, “I have seen God face-to-face, yet my life* was preserved
Always cross reference scriptures to understand it properly..in another place Jacob r Wrestle with angel.
Hosea 12:3-4 KJV He took his brother by the heel in the womb, and by his strength he had d power with God: [4] Yea, he had power over the angel, and prevailed: he wept, and made f supplication unto him: he found him in Beth–el, and there he spake with us;
Tcwork: You obviously do not understand my words. My point was that there is nothing like a small god. That was my point. Pls go back and carefully read my text
That means Jesus Christ saying in John 10:34 KJV Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
In addition, we ourselves have seen and are bearing witness that the Father has sent his Son as savior of the world. From this scripture, whathe was Jesus Christ sent to be? From the verse, who is the Savior of the world? If I am sick and my father sends me a doctor, does that make the doctor any less than a doctor? Jesus Christ was a Saviour sent to the world. This was my point all along.
The doctor is standing in the place of a higher or senior doctor who believes he is capable of carrying out your treatment.
He takes out of what belongs to the father and show it to us. In the end the father gets all the glory even through the son.
Tcwork: I don't understand your question but you made me understand that even when the bible says, only saviour, other saviours where also chosen now why are you finding it hard to believe that Jesus Christ is also a true God. Follow the precedence of the Bible
Now you are saying there are more than one true God?
You seem to be roping yourself one way or the other.
Tcwork: We, I disagree with you, Yaweh is not Jehovah. Jesus Christ is Jehovah. It was Jesus Christ (Jehovah ) that visited Moses and spoke with him face to face not Yahweh
Awww where do I start to brush and repair this your notion right now
Ok here..
Yahweh, the God of the Israelites, whose name was revealed to Moses as four Hebrew consonants (YHWH) called the tetragrammaton. After the Babylonian Exile (6th century BCE), and especially from the 3rd century BCE on, Jews ceased to use the name Yahweh for two reasons. As Judaism became a universal rather than merely local religion, the more common noun Elohim, meaning “God,” tended to replace Yahweh to demonstrate the universal sovereignty of Israel’s God over all others. At the same time, the divine name was increasingly regarded as too sacred to be uttered; it was thus replaced vocally in the synagogue ritual by the Hebrew word Adonai (“My Lord”), which was translated as Kyrios (“Lord”) in the Septuagint, the Greek version of the Hebrew Scriptures.
The Masoretes, who from about the 6th to the 10th century worked to reproduce the original text of the Hebrew Bible, replaced the vowels of the name YHWH with the vowel signs of the Hebrew words Adonai or Elohim. Latin-speaking Christian scholars substituted the Y (which does not exist in Latin) with an I or a J (the latter of which exists in Latin as a variant form of I). Thus, the tetragrammaton became the artificial Latinized name Jehovah (JeHoWaH). As the use of the name spread throughout medieval Europe, the initial letter J was pronounced according to the local vernacular language rather than Latin.
The same applies to 'Jesus' = Iesus in Greek and 'Yahoshuwah' or 'Yeshua' in Hebrew.
John 6:46 King James Bible Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father
John 6:46 New King James Version Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father
Yahweh(Jehovah) is the father and that strikes out your position of saying that Jesus is same person as Jehovah
Jesus assume his father's position because he is one with the father in purpose and will John17:22
Tcwork: You seem to be writing another bible. A saviour is a saviour. The bible never spoke about or differentiated the classes of saviours. You are now using human wisdom to create classes of saviours
The same way you're creating classes of Gods and differentiating small letter g and capital letter G God some while ago.
Tcwork: Sir you need to read my thread properly. I never said the father and the son are the same entity I said the son, Jesus Christ is Jehovah and not the father
Tcwork: Let's compare again 10. Declare among the nations: “Jehovah has become King!+ The earth* is firmly established, it cannot be moved.* He will judge* the peoples fairly.”+ 11 Let the heavens rejoice, and let the earth be joyful; Let the sea thunder and all that fills it;+ 12 Let the fields and everything in them rejoice.+ At the same time let all the trees of the forest shout joyfully+ 13 Before Jehovah, for he is coming,* He is coming to judge the earth. He will judge the inhabited earth* with righteousness+ And the peoples with his faithfulness
Now whow is coming to Judge is it Christ or his father?
Matthew 25:31-32 "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.
John 5:22 For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,
Jehovah is coming to judge the world, who is Jehovah
Ok i see another part that is confusing you greatly
Jesus said he came in the name of the father (Jehovah) Jesus said all that the father own is his as well Jesus said all that he sees the father does he does as well Jesus said he doesn't seek his will but that of the father Jesus said the father is in me and I am in the father
Through righteousness and humility Jesus obtain a name and position above every other creature either in heaven on earth or beneath the earth.
Finally the name Jesus translate "Jehovah is Saviour" Now Jesus by inheritance can bear his father's name.
Tcwork: Psalms 110.1 This depends on the translation KJV Acts2:34-36 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. The decision to mark the lords name in capital was a choice of translator. All letters appear in uppercase in Hebrew, they had no lowercase
Still from that verse 36 of Acts 2 you just quoted did you see where it says God has made that same Jesus , whome you crucified, both Lord and Christ?
Surely God the father(Jehovah) made the son both Lord and Christ (anointed one)
They are not the same entity as you have said in your thread
gobuchinny: Honestly I have zero patience for people who talk Ill about this glorious book of Enoch. I dont try and convince them either because it's not necessary to read it as the bible as we have is enough for any beleiver to grow and be fully mature. I also beleive that the bible MUST first be read and understood before delving into the BOE. But for any matured son of God the book is very informative and strengthens faith because it fills in the gaps neatly about the historical occurances of the world and fallen Angel's. Same fallen Angel's the world believes in and have even perverted by Hollywood lies. It's the same fallen Angel's some 'christians' wont beleive because of their harden and uncircumcised heart .
Imagine foolishness of saying sons of God r children of Seth . What a joke. Me I dont argue with folks whose minds are not open to learn but are like a flint that is cast on rock.
Keep it up @okcornel.
The book of Enoch was not canonised alongside other books in the bible, but reading that book will open you to a lot of missing gaps in Gen 6:2 because what happened there came as a flash. But the book of Enoch elaborated on it and in detail. It's just share denial of truth that make people want to believe in what is not there just like the tinity doctrine.
Sons of God are angels not righteous descendant of Seth.
MuttleyLaff: "Don't pay any attention to any of those senseless Jewish stories and human commands. These are made up by people who won't obey the truth" (i.e. and not give attention to Jewish legends/Jewish fables and the maxims of men who turn their backs on the truth) - Titus 1:14.
A great work then nwanne brother Maamin, you've been doing on the subject matter of who the "sons of Gods" are truly and really are. Fyi, Satan appreciates what you and others, the likes of rosy1992, Ihedinobi3, budaatum, EMILO2STAY, kkins25, missjojo, etcetera are doing in consistently pushing and advancing non-existent verse(s) in the Bible where God says of any type of angels to be to "sons of Gods". Your seriously flawed slander against angelic beings that they, angels impregnated and married female human beings are well noted. Keep it up y'all
Both you Maamin, TV01, Ihedinobi3, budaatum, EMILO2STAY, kkins25 and missjojo bring up unsubstantial bible verses, that are easily demolished and torn apart into shreds. You, in particular Maamin, along with Ihedinobi3 and EMILO2STAY have put forward bible verses, the likes of Luke 20:34-36, Genesis 6:4, Job 6:2, Job 1:6, Job 2:1 etcetera, that are not contextually read and so had them misinterpretated, then making the Bible say, what not the Bible has ever said concerning angels being the "sons of God"
What baffles me is how you take so much time and pride to defend what is indefensible. You have been fed so many times scriptural evidence on so many account on this thread and even on the previous thread concerning the sons of God in Gen 6:2 but your pride in wanting to win argument won't let you admit the truth. Keep it up!
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