My surname is Jatto and I am Ebira from Kogi state.
However, I was born and bred outside the state and have scarcely been there.
My Father and grandfather were also raised outside the state but when I asked, I was told it's a term used for light skinned people, especially when being compared with the white, e.g what many Nigerians call "Oyinbo".
I don't have much information asides this, but will make more enquiries.
I hope this helps and invite everyone who has some information to enlighten us on the quest of our roots.

You are absolutely correct...I am Jatto as well from Kogi state an Ebira dude.

The name simply means "to be Fair in complexion"

This interesting ...but all religion could be classified under cult as well

NeoWanZaeed:
CLAIMING TO FOLLOW PROPHET MUHAMMAD AND CLAIMING TO BE A MUSLIM IS VERY EASY. . . ITS TO BRING PROOF THAT SUPPORTS UR CLAIM IN QURAN AND HADITH THATS THE MAIN THING. . JUST LIKE EVERYONE CLAIMS TO BE CHRISTIAN BUT TO ATTEST AND AFFIRM THAT IS THE PROBLEM COZ BIBLE XEF NA WASH

Just like Quran too is white washed lies.

Janosky:

Good evening, Bros Maamin.
Shalom

I'm doing great brother.

Shalom Aliekhem

Janosky:

Bros Maamin, well done..
I have ended my convo with Bros Tc...
His claim is more valid to him than the holy scriptures..

I can see that as well

Tcwork:

Yes because they saw Jehovah
John 1.18
No man has seen God at any time;+ the only-begotten god+ who is at the Father’s side*+ is the one who has explained Him.
It was Christ they saw. It was Jehovah they saw

And i suppose the same Jehovah or Christ they all saw was the one in Exdus that told Moses that he cant see his face and live? Are you for real right now?

Exodus 33:19-21 KJV
And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. [20] And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. [21] And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:

Note : the wors 'LORD' is in uppercase to signify the name 'Jehovah'

Janosky:

I taya for the Bros Tcwork..
When the holy scriptures catch him napping,he deflects what the holy scriptures is saying

agender must agend for him

Janosky:


Bros, when and where did your Bible say that was a different time?

When he insert or assumes. Is ok
When another does. He quickly strikes it out.

Tcwork:

Please that was a different time. Moses and the congregation were not privileged to see Jehovah's face everytime but the few times he was seen, it was clearly recorded
Genesis 32.30
30 So Jacob named the place Pe·niʹel,*+ for he said, “I have seen God face-to-face, yet my life* was preserved

Always cross reference scriptures to understand it properly..in another place Jacob r
Wrestle with angel.

Hosea 12:3-4 KJV
He took his brother by the heel in the womb, and by his strength he had d power with God: [4] Yea, he had power over the angel, and prevailed: he wept, and made f supplication unto him: he found him in Beth–el, and there he spake with us;

Tcwork:

You obviously do not understand my words. My point was that there is nothing like a small god. That was my point. Pls go back and carefully read my text

That means Jesus Christ saying in John 10:34 KJV
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

That mean mankind are no small Gods as well.

Tcwork:

1 John 4.14

In addition, we ourselves have seen and are bearing witness that the Father has sent his Son as savior of the world.
From this scripture, whathe was Jesus Christ sent to be? From the verse, who is the Savior of the world?
If I am sick and my father sends me a doctor, does that make the doctor any less than a doctor?
Jesus Christ was a Saviour sent to the world. This was my point all along.

The doctor is standing in the place of a higher or senior doctor who believes he is capable of carrying out your treatment.

He takes out of what belongs to the father and show it to us. In the end the father gets all the glory even through the son.

Tcwork:

Rope ke... how do you mean.
Is Jesus Christ a true God or not?

Are there more than one true God? Name them

Tcwork:
Even your own scriptures support my teaching that Jesus Christ /Jehovah is Saviour. Thanks for bringing up 1John4.14

You are doing the same thing that you dont want another to do to you

Tcwork:

I don't understand your question but you made me understand that even when the bible says, only saviour, other saviours where also chosen now why are you finding it hard to believe that Jesus Christ is also a true God.
Follow the precedence of the Bible

Now you are saying there are more than one true God?

You seem to be roping yourself one way or the other.

Tcwork:

We, I disagree with you, Yaweh is not Jehovah. Jesus Christ is Jehovah.
It was Jesus Christ (Jehovah ) that visited Moses and spoke with him face to face not Yahweh

Awww where do I start to brush and repair this your notion right now

Ok here..

Yahweh, the God of the Israelites, whose name was revealed to Moses as four Hebrew consonants (YHWH) called the tetragrammaton.
After the Babylonian Exile (6th century BCE), and especially from the 3rd century BCE on, Jews ceased to use the name Yahweh for two reasons. As Judaism became a universal rather than merely local religion, the more common noun Elohim, meaning “God,” tended to replace Yahweh to demonstrate the universal sovereignty of Israel’s God over all others. At the same time, the divine name was increasingly regarded as too sacred to be uttered; it was thus replaced vocally in the synagogue ritual by the Hebrew word Adonai (“My Lord”), which was translated as Kyrios (“Lord”) in the Septuagint, the Greek version of the Hebrew Scriptures.

The Masoretes, who from about the 6th to the 10th century worked to reproduce the original text of the Hebrew Bible, replaced the vowels of the name YHWH with the vowel signs of the Hebrew words Adonai or Elohim. Latin-speaking Christian scholars substituted the Y (which does not exist in Latin) with an I or a J (the latter of which exists in Latin as a variant form of I). Thus, the tetragrammaton became the artificial Latinized name Jehovah (JeHoWaH). As the use of the name spread throughout medieval Europe, the initial letter J was pronounced according to the local vernacular language rather than Latin.

The same applies to 'Jesus' = Iesus in Greek and 'Yahoshuwah' or 'Yeshua' in Hebrew.

John 6:46 King James Bible
Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father

John 6:46 New King James Version
Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father

Yahweh(Jehovah) is the father and that strikes out your position of saying that Jesus is same person as Jehovah

Jesus assume his father's position because he is one with the father in purpose and will John17:22

Tcwork:

I thought as much, you were sending a secret message to your people

Not really because it's a forum and many other people are also following the discussion.

Tcwork:

You seem to be writing another bible. A saviour is a saviour. The bible never spoke about or differentiated the classes of saviours. You are now using human wisdom to create classes of saviours

The same way you're creating classes of Gods and differentiating small letter g and capital letter G God some while ago.

Janosky:

Jesus you said has a Father, you now claim he is the same person his Father is.

That is always their confusion

I told him earlier he said no

Tcwork:

What is your point sir

You wont get it now may be later, but those that got it will understand my point.

Tcwork:

Sir you need to read my thread properly. I never said the father and the son are the same entity
I said the son, Jesus Christ is Jehovah and not the father

The father is Yahweh (Jehovah)

The very God Jesus came in his name

Janosky:


Bros Maamin, good afternoon Sir.
Longest time no see..
I hope you are doing fine.

Shalom.

I am doing great brother ...really longest time

Took a break for about 2 years

How is everything with you?

Tcwork:
Let's compare again
10. Declare among the nations: “Jehovah has become King!+
The earth* is firmly established, it cannot be moved.*
He will judge* the peoples fairly.”+
11 Let the heavens rejoice, and let the earth be joyful;
Let the sea thunder and all that fills it;+
12 Let the fields and everything in them rejoice.+
At the same time let all the trees of the forest shout joyfully+
13 Before Jehovah, for he is coming,*
He is coming to judge the earth.
He will judge the inhabited earth* with righteousness+
And the peoples with his faithfulness

Now whow is coming to Judge is it Christ or his father?

Matthew 25:31-32
"When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.

John 5:22
For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,

Jehovah is coming to judge the world, who is Jehovah

Ok i see another part that is confusing you greatly

Jesus said he came in the name of the father (Jehovah)
Jesus said all that the father own is his as well
Jesus said all that he sees the father does he does as well
Jesus said he doesn't seek his will but that of the father
Jesus said the father is in me and I am in the father

Through righteousness and humility Jesus obtain a name and position above every other creature either in heaven on earth or beneath the earth.

Finally the name Jesus translate "Jehovah is Saviour"
Now Jesus by inheritance can bear his father's name.

Tcwork:

Psalms 110.1 This depends on the translation
KJV Acts2:34-36 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
The decision to mark the lords name in capital was a choice of translator. All letters appear in uppercase in Hebrew, they had no lowercase

Still from that verse 36 of Acts 2 you just quoted did you see where it says God has made that same Jesus , whome you crucified, both Lord and Christ?

Surely God the father(Jehovah) made the son both Lord and Christ (anointed one)

They are not the same entity as you have said in your thread

For the records that is not Jesus christ photo....no picture of him was ever taken during the course of his life on earth.

Let's start paying attention to weightier matters that be.

MuttleyLaff:






Come and meet me at below link, lets once and for all sort out this "sons of God" brouhaha and the next giving you a good hiding to reset you back to correct default settings about the BoE
https://www.nairaland.com/5375336/nephilim-sons-god/6#83829215

And what epistle will you be bugging me out with that i have not seen? ...naaahh! I will pass

gobuchinny:


Honestly I have zero patience for people who talk Ill about this glorious book of Enoch. I dont try and convince them either because it's not necessary to read it as the bible as we have is enough for any beleiver to grow and be fully mature. I also beleive that the bible MUST first be read and understood before delving into the BOE. But for any matured son of God the book is very informative and strengthens faith because it fills in the gaps neatly about the historical occurances of the world and fallen Angel's. Same fallen Angel's the world believes in and have even perverted by Hollywood lies. It's the same fallen Angel's some 'christians' wont beleive because of their harden and uncircumcised heart .

Imagine foolishness of saying sons of God r children of Seth . What a joke. Me I dont argue with folks whose minds are not open to learn but are like a flint that is cast on rock.

Keep it up @okcornel.

The book of Enoch was not canonised alongside other books in the bible, but reading that book will open you to a lot of missing gaps in Gen 6:2 because what happened there came as a flash. But the book of Enoch elaborated on it and in detail. It's just share denial of truth that make people want to believe in what is not there just like the tinity doctrine.

Sons of God are angels not righteous descendant of Seth.

MuttleyLaff:
"Don't pay any attention to any of those senseless Jewish stories and human commands.
These are made up by people who won't obey the truth"
(i.e. and not give attention to Jewish legends/Jewish fables and the maxims of men who turn their backs on the truth)
- Titus 1:14.

A great work then nwanne brother Maamin, you've been doing on the subject matter of who the "sons of Gods" are truly and really are. Fyi, Satan appreciates what you and others, the likes of rosy1992, Ihedinobi3, budaatum, EMILO2STAY, kkins25, missjojo, etcetera are doing in consistently pushing and advancing non-existent verse(s) in the Bible where God says of any type of angels to be to "sons of Gods". Your seriously flawed slander against angelic beings that they, angels impregnated and married female human beings are well noted. Keep it up y'all

Both you Maamin, TV01, Ihedinobi3, budaatum, EMILO2STAY, kkins25 and missjojo bring up unsubstantial bible verses, that are easily demolished and torn apart into shreds. You, in particular Maamin, along with Ihedinobi3 and EMILO2STAY have put forward bible verses, the likes of Luke 20:34-36, Genesis 6:4, Job 6:2, Job 1:6, Job 2:1 etcetera, that are not contextually read and so had them misinterpretated, then making the Bible say, what not the Bible has ever said concerning angels being the "sons of God"

What baffles me is how you take so much time and pride to defend what is indefensible. You have been fed so many times scriptural evidence on so many account on this thread and even on the previous thread concerning the sons of God in Gen 6:2 but your pride in wanting to win argument won't let you admit the truth. Keep it up!

OkCornel:





PLEASE SOMEONE SHOULD SHOW US HOW PETER WARNED AGAINST BELIEVING THE WRITINGS OF ENOCH IN THIS PASSAGE.

Cc: missjo, maamin, gobuchinny, budaatum, nijabazaar, RiyadhGoddess, CaveAdullam

Same way Jude acknowledge the writings of Enoch, Peter did also. They all agreed on the same teaching. Perfect! Well done bro!

OkCornel:



Enoch 10 v 4-6 & 11-12;
4. And again, the Lord said to Raphael: 'Bind Azazel hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness and split open the desert, which is in Dudael and cast him in.
5. And fill the hole by covering him with rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him live there forever, and cover his face that he may not see the light.
6. And on the day of the great judgment, he shall be hurled into the fire.
11. And the Lord said to Michael: 'Go bind Semjaza and his team who have associated with women and have defiled themselves in all their uncleanness.
12. When their sons have slain one another, and they have seen the destruction of their beloved ones, bind them fast for seventy generations under the hills of the earth, until the day of the consummation of their judgment and until the eternal judgment is accomplished.'


Enoch Chapter 1 v 9;

And behold! He comes with ten thousand of His holy ones (saints) in order to execute judgment on all, to destroy all the ungodly (wicked ones), and to convict all flesh of their works of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, and of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.





CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN HOW JUDE WAS WARNING AGAINST THE WRITINGS OF ENOCH IN THIS PASSAGE?

Cc: missjo, maamin, gobuchinny, budaatum, nijabazaar, RiyadhGoddess, CaveAdullam

My brother this people will twist anything in the scripture just to fix in their erroneous teaching. How can Jude be warning against Enoch's writing when in fact he was acknowledging it ? Truth is has been made plain right before them. Pride and ego won't let them accept it.

OkCornel:
For those of you fruitlessly arguing that the sons of God in Genesis & Job are the male descendants of Seth;

Please have a look at Josephus Flavius' Antiquity of the Jews; I don't think Josephus Flavius needs introduction here as famous first century Jewish historian he was.

Flavius Josephus of the Antiquities of the Jews — Book I
Chapter 3 v 1;

1. Now this posterity of Seth continued to esteem God as the Lord of the universe, and to have an entire regard to virtue, for seven generations: but in process of time they were perverted, and forsook the practices of their fore-fathers; and did neither pay those honours to God which were appointed them, nor had they any concern to do justice towards men. But for what degree of zeal they had formerly shewn for virtue, they now shewed by their actions a double degree of wickedness. Whereby they made God to be their enemy. For many Angels of God accompanied with women, and begat sons that proved unjust, and despisers of all that was good; on account of the confidence they had in their own strength. For the tradition is, that these men did what resembled the acts of those whom the Grecians call Giants. But Noah was very uneasy at what they did: and being displeased at their conduct, persuaded them to change their dispositions, and their actions for the better. But seeing they did not yield to him, but were slaves to their wicked pleasures, he was afraid they would kill him, together with his wife and children, and those they had married. So he departed out of that land.


Check out how this reconciles with the verses posted from the book of Enoch earlier;

Enoch Chapter 15 v 1-7;

1 And He answered and said to me, and I heard His voice: 'Do not be afraid, Enoch you righteous man and scribe of righteousness.
2 Approach and hear my voice. Go and say to the Watchers of heaven, for whom you have come to intercede: "You should intercede for men, and not men for you."
3 Why and for what cause have you left the high, holy and eternal heaven, and had sex with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children of the earth, and begotten (as your) sons?
4 Though you were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten children with the blood of flesh, and as the children of men, you have lusted after flesh and blood like those who die and are killed.
5 This is why I have given men wives, that they might impregnate them, and have children by them, that deeds might continue on earth.
6 But you were formerly spiritual, living the eternal life, immortal for all generations of the world.
7 Therefore, I have not appointed wives for you; you are spiritual beings of heaven, and in heaven was your dwelling place.

Cc: missjo, maamin, gobuchinny, budaatum, nijabazaar, RiyadhGoddess, CaveAdullam

I think this is clear enough and has revealed a lot concerning this issue ...let's wait and see how they deny all this �

OkCornel:



The people arguing that sons of God in Genesis and Job were the defendants of Seth surely turned a blind eye to this post.

There are many glaring evidences both in the Bible and outside the Bible. Many Apocryphal text and none canonised books made this clear that angels took daughters of men. But these people just don't want to take the word for what it says

MuttleyLaff:
You this woman, you dont want lay down lying, you're a glutton for punishment, right?. Wait for me to revisit today in the late PM. Lets once and for all trash and kill this demon from the pit of hell you've being dragging. I think, I've managed to get grab you enough by the wrist of your hand now, EMILO2STAY didnt want to take the bait, but I think you took a nibble of it, that small bit you took, does me real fine, to set about going for your jugular now with a two-prong attack, lol.

Lol..I am not a woman Mr. Truth is clear and separate from falsehood. You can deny and reject all you want but be rest assure that will not change a thing.