₦airaland Forum

Shelumiel:
My problem with you is reading . Please why will God be seeking consent with the 'Us' term ? Why please ?If He so powerful and capable of making the decisions, then why would be saying Us? Lol. ..or does your god require permission of others to do things?

Your own problem is understanding simple English.

How are those verses seeking consent for crying out loud?

What is the difference between

"Let us make" and "should we make?"

"Let us go down" and "should we go down?"

The scripture is true..you on the other side is falsifying it.

pressplay411:
The scriptures is always right. We just need better understanding of it.
They are the same one God.
Can God be greater than Himself?

Can your spirit be greater than your soul or your flesh?
You are the same.
Why compare yourself to yourself?

Muttleylaff
Maamin
Good morning sirs.

I see that your understanding of body,spirit and soul needs to be addressed as well.

Who sent the holy spirit and the son?

Can the begeted be greater than the begeter?...the father is no subject to any one but the son is subject to the father 1 Cor 15:28

As for body spirit and soul. The spirit is greater and controls the physical. The soul is not a separate part but the entire package that is ( spirit+body=living soul)

[quote author=Shelumiel post=72098098]The Father is greater than all , but yet He seeks the consent of lesser Beings (Jesus and the Holy Spirit ) to make decisions (Genesis1:26 and Genesis11:7), right ? Is that showing you He is greater than all ?

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Gen 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

How are those two verses seeking if consent? those are rather instructions ok.

[s]If I say I am greater than my Father, but yet my Father still seeks my opinion for decision making it does not make him greater than me in anyway. Please get the understanding of the scriptures through the Holy Spirit; for it is impossible to read and understand the Bible without the wisdom of God through the Holy Spirit. [/s]

Weak! The scripture says otherwise.

Let every man be a liar, and God be true

johnydon22:
Great rebuttal. Lol. You should be very proud

10Q

Here they are again striving with an entity they claim does not exist


Well he that made the stars million times bigger than the earth, made it out of nothing

It is possible he can also make the stars rain on earth and the earth's size will contain them.

He is not bound by logic, he is not even bound by space or time

Next!

pressplay411:
Thanks sir.
But there's no comparison in the Kingdom.
There's no greater than. They are Co-equal.
May God give us more understanding.

Jesus - "the father is greater than i" (John 14:28)

Shelumiel:
The Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are a manifestation of the same thing : God . So none of them is greater . In fact, there is a certain equality among them , especially when it comes to decision making . Take a look at Genesis1:26 and Genesis 11:7. Hope this helps .

John 14:28 "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I."

About decision making....

John 14:10 "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."

The Son does only the will of the Father never the other way.

The Father has always been the one dishing out commands and instructions from Genesis to Revelation not the other way.

The Father empowers the son and gives him authority both in heaven and on earth. Matt. 28:18

The Father is greater than all.

Read 1 Cor 15:28, you can start from verse 24 and read all through for better understanding

Shalom aleikhem

And the preaching of the cross is foolishness to those that are perishing.

And God has really giving them a reprobate mind, ever learning but never understanding.

They strive so much with their maker. Day and night, yet to them he does not exist.

Should I take them serious? Nahhh!

chiommy123:
yes there is. first know that man is made up of spirit body and soul. after death soul goes back to the giver while your body returns to dust and spirit suffers in hell or lives eternally with God. no one can prove beyond doubts cos we've not been there but the Bible said eyes has not seen ears has not heard nor has it entered the heart of man what God has prepared for his children

Hmmm, Hanty you have said so many things that are not scriptural here.

First of all man is a living soul, when man was created, God did not put a soul in man but rather man became a living soul. God formed man out of the dust and breathed spirit of life into the dust and it became a living soul( that is a conscious being).

Gen 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

So what happens after we die? The reverse process of man's creation is what happens when we die. At death, the Spirit of life depart from the body(dust) and the person becomes a dead soul (unconscious being).

Ecc. 12:7 "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it."

There can only be a living soul through the fusion of breath of life(spirit) to a dust(body) or flesh. The soul is not a separate part of a man but rather the entire package (that is the living thing).

Do spirits surfer in hell or go to heaven to enjoy immediately at death? NO!

Ecc.12:7 made us understand that the spirit returns to God who gave it at death and the body perishes and becomes dust once again.

Also Ecc. 9:5-6 "For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun."

All dies and await judgment day when they shall all be resurrected in their various grave both the good and the bad people. If it were not so then resurrection day will be useless since people will already be judged and placed in hell or heaven immediately at death according to you.

1 Thess 4:16 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:"

The scripture gives us a glimpse of the state of the dead, the faith of the dead and what is to come.

@op, there is no life after death for the wicked. Eternal life is only found in christ. The wicked shall be raised for judgment and cast into the lake of fire which is the second death. While the saved in christ shall be raised into eternal life.

Anas09:
Maamin. Are you JW?

No! I am not, why do you ask?

1 Corinthians 1:18-25

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

Op rest your head

Shalom Aleikhem

Anas09

If Jesus is indeed the servant of Jehovah, then pls do tell why He took up all Jehovah's attributes. "The Lord, the eternal King" the Saviour, the Redeemer, the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. "the first and the last, the Alpha and the Omega" the beginning and the end, the Almighty, the everlasting Father".

And here Isaiah 9:6, gives Him all Jehovah's qualities.
"Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father [or, "father of eternity"], Prince of Peace." An earlier prophecy by Isaiah, found in Isaiah 7:14, gave Him the name Immanuel, which literally means, "God with us." or God manifested.

There is no ambiguity, here is reasons why

Col.1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him(Jesus the son) should all fulness dwell;

Col. 2:9 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead(that is divinity) bodily.

John 14:10-11
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works 'sake.

God made Jesus the son everything he is. Jesus came to serve so as such he is a servant leader. It all depends on where you are looking from.

Even your Bible translation tried to twist the scriptures and make it be what it isn't, but below is Hebrews 1: 10-12 calling Jesus Jehovah the creator. reiterating Ps 102: 25-27.

This refers to Jehovah.
Long ago you laid foundations of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of your hands.
[26] They will perish, but you will remain;
Just like a garment they will all wear out.
Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will pass away.
[27] But you are the same, and your years will never end.

Here is Hebrews
saying the same thing to Jesus.

At the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands. [11] They will perish, but you will remain; and just like a garment, they will all wear out, [12] and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will never come to an end.”

Still you don't need to look further

1 Cor.15:27-28

27 For he(Jehovah) hath put all things under his(Jesus) feet. But when he(Jehovah) saith all things are put under him(Jesus), it is manifest that he(Jehovah) is excepted, which did put all things under him(Jesus).

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him(Jesus), then shall the Son also himself(jesus) be subject unto him(Jehovah) that put all things under him(Jesus) , that God(Jehovah) may be all in all.

All in brackets are my emphasis

Your own Bible says Jesus is Jehovah the eternal and unchangeable creator.

In the famous prophecy of John the Baptist found in Isaiah 40:3, Jesus is called Jehovah: "A voice is calling, 'Clear the way for [Jehovah] in the wilderness; make smooth in the desert a highway for our God."

Joel 2:32: "And it will come about that whoever calls on the name of [Jehovah] Will be [saved]." Both Acts 2:21 and Romans 10:13 quote that passage, applying the title Jehovah to Christ.

The name of God(Yahweh) is in Jesus the son. He Jesus also carries the name of his father and declares it to us.

John 17:26.
"And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it:"

In the end He shall also come in the glory of his father.

Matt. 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

And OneJ, what became a servant is the manifested human form taken from a human being 'Mary, not the essence contained in that body.

Jesus was a dual entity 100% Divine and 100% Human. Just like the body contains the Soul of a man.

Well, this is too high for you, i understand.

The body does not contain the soul of a man but rather the entire body of man is the living soul.

When God formed man(Adam) he did not put a soul in Adam he breathed spirit of life into the clay and it became a living soul. The same way at death when the spirit of life depart from the body it becomes a dead soul.

God did not create man and put a soul into him rather man became a soul at the fusion of the breath of life(spirit) with the dust(body) and man became a soul.

Gen. 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

The reverse of man's creation is what we experience at death

Ecc.12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Everything becomes clearer if only we let the scripture divide itself by itself.

Shalom aleikhem

With God all things physically/spiritually impossible are possible.






Case closed

One is copy copy, as a Nigerian, stick to Nigerian traditional wedding, stop copying oyinbo wedding.

@ op, this is religious extremism. Earrings are not sin. If u must condemn it you have to condemn so many other things u do today that are not mentioned in the Bible. You should not use phones it is a sin

Mobilia:
But you know brother, sin has caused all of this. Violence, death and bloodshed weren't the original order of the day, unfortunately.

Yea

Unto God, The soul is not immortal , at death, the energy or life giving force (the spirit) depart to God who gave it and the body becomes a lifeless soul.

Here is why only the body can be destroyed by man and not the soul.

God on the other hand is capable of fusing back the dead soul by returning breath of life to it to make it a living soul again. And then he is able to destroy both the body and soul that is alive again completely in Gehenna.

John 5:28-29
"28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

Also Every believer has passed out of death into life (John 5:24). His life “is hid with Christ in God” (Colossians 3:3), and the exceeding greatness of God’s power in resurrection toward us who believe is the same “mighty power which He wrought in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead” (Ephesians 1:19-20). And by that same power will all the unbelieving dead be brought out of their graves to stand before the judgment of the Great White Throne.

Mobilia:
How are you Maamin?
Thanks and I know...that no. 4....is quite tough..
(I think it's more about what we decide to let our minds dwell on). Phillipans 4:8
Blood, death, gore, violence, etc. just upset my spirit so much.
But you know...we all are at different levels in our Christian journey.
We still may have struggles in one or more of the above areas that I mentioned..you know?
I think the more we draw close to Christ, certain things will begin to have less significance/importance.

I'm doing fine, thanks!
But all these things you mentioned are just another reality we seem to shy away from, because they do exist and happen sometimes right before our eyes.

Blood, death, gore, violence, etc. Are nature's way of keeping balance with life, peace and tranquillity. No matter how it upset us it will remain a natural order of things.

Nice post...but that your number 4 ehn!

Because me I like action movies and horror movies Oh.

Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."






God made everything...

Mobilia:
How are you?
Ok...so I also don't want to further confuse folks, so I'll have to go back later and polish up my statements.
The issue that most people (Christian or non) have is the following scriptural verse:

Genesis 6:4 (KJV)
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

The bone of contention in Christendom is whether or not angels (I'm assuming fallen) mated with humans and created giants?

Just want to point out that if you look at the composition of that sentence, you will see that a semicolon is placed at the end of the first sentence. Semicolons (under certain English grammar rules) can function as a period. That means that the semicolon can actually separate two complete sentences. Those thoughts don't necessarily have to be connected to each other.
So as I read that particular scriptural verse, I see two major points being highlighted....
1). There were people of extraordinary height.
2). [s]The men who served God became attracted to the women of the world, married, and produced brilliant minds. [/s]

I do believe that MuttleyLaff gave a detailed explanation about the meaning of "renown"....as well as a thorough scriptural-backed explanation about the above verse.

I would liken (if I may be permitted) modern-day basketball player heights to that of Goliath's (in his time period) in comparison to average-sized people. I was trying to show that regardless of the average heights of the time, that societies' do consist of people with extraordinary physical structures, intelligence, strengths or skills etc.
I will look into your claim about the height situation in Gen 14..which means I will have to look into time periods. No worries...I'm still learning. All this makes me do is dig a lot deeper into the Word...cause there's so much there.
I'm either gonna get stronger (which definitely. and by God's mighty grace will be my fate) or weaker in my faith ultimately. However, I should also be open to correction if/when I am wrong.
I will say this though: "that" which I know....is "that" which I know"

Matthew 22:30-32 (KJV)
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

So with that being said, we will peacefully "agree to disagree" on your statement of angels and humans having mated to create giants....sorry my brother...which is what you still regardless of a disagreement here

I am doing fine

The semicolon has not or did not alter the context of that verse.

The bible did not call theme "men who served God" but rather "sons of God"

MuttleyLaff has not been helpful, he has been dabbling and twisting the scriptures for God knows why. Using one falsehood to back up another. All his bible references are taken way out of topic and context.

Modern day basket ballers are bearly little above 6 feet. Does someone like Shaqil O'neil look like a person that can put on an armour of weight as heavy as a bag of cement and move freely about in the court? I will beseech you to make your thorough research.

Well sorry to tell you, but "That" which you know is not in line with the teaching of the scripture.

Matth. 22:30-32 did not say angels can't marry or have sex either. It only says in the resurrection they will not be given in marriage or neither marry.

Yes I totally disagree with your position. It is not in tune with the bible.

[quote author=Mobilia post=71262465]Right. I'm saying that the 12-15 feet tall humans were normal during that time period.

No they were not normal. The first mention of giants was in Gen 14 apart from the Gen 6 giants. Other names for giants include Rephaim, Nephilim.

Gen 6:1-4 says "1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Verse 4 shows that these giants were as a result of the ungodly union of sons of God and daughters of men in those days and after that. It went on to say "THE SAME became mighty men of old"

I was saying that there were some people who may have been even taller than that and were therefore termed "giants".
In today's society, the average height for a man is around 5'8-5'9. Anyone 6'0 or taller is considered "tall", but then basketball player's heights (which averages between 6'5-6'7) are considered giant in stature.
We know that humans (mated with humans) and reproduced humans (some who have an extraordinary height). The same process that we humans use today (sexual activity) is the same process the antideluvians used back then. There was nothing supernatural about the process....meaning "angels" didn't mate with humans to produce a human of "giant" stature.
I think that humans continued to decrease in size throughout the generations as sin became more rampant

The strange and extraordinary looking men in status did not came about until Gen 6. These giants were singled out to be exceptionally different from the normal people, renown (probably famous for looking different).

Saul in the days of Goliath the giants was said to be tall at least 6'ft tall than the average human, yet he was no match or never was he considered a giant like Goliath.

To tell you how big the Nephilims are. The scripture says that there were giants after that. And the most famous of them was Goliath of Gath. There are various discrepancies concerning his actual height. Some dead see scrolls says 6'6 some mesoretic texts says 9'0 but if we look at the description of his armour weights you can tell that it will take even a huge, taller and stronger person to wield and carry such armour in battle.

Indicative of Goliath’s size and strength was the weight of his armour. His copper coat of mail weighed 5,000 shekels (57 kg; that is 126 lb); the iron blade of his spear weighed 600 shekels (6.8 kg; that is 15 lb).​—1Sa 17:4-7.

Can you imagine a person wearing a coat as heavy as a bag of cement or a little heavier than that? And the iron blade (spear head) as heavy as a weight lifter's dumb bell or almost as heavy as a mini short put ?

You mean all of a sudden human mating with humans resulted in giants? No!

There was mixed gene of strange flesh that brought about that.

Mobilia:
Alright guys, I don'[t even know where to start...so much has been discussed.
But I wanted to look at the concept of what a "giant" is.
Cause perhaps once we get the definition of a giant, maybe we can get a proper understanding of the scripture verse Genesis 6:4.

Genesis 6:4 (KJV)
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.


Look at the chart below.....

Noun 1. an imaginary or mythical being of human form but superhuman size.
Adjective 1. of very great size or force; gigantic.

I tend to think the second definition is more applicable to the chart. But most people have the first definition engraved in their minds.
Anyone that is abnormal in height to an average-sized height is considered "gigantic"....

Sorry folks if I have confused you all...
I'll try to iron this all out and modify if needs be.

The giants that were mentioned in the scripture are not 6feet giants but really tall and big in status about 12- 15 feet tall humans.

[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=71261445]Admit that I am wrong about what?

I would ask you the same question I asked your new found ally:
Is the devil a celestial being or not a celestial being?

Are you familiar of the crab mentality?
You must do, you certainly do,
otherwise you wouldnt have taken sides and pull such a publicity stunt like this.

On like you, I will rather find my ally in the true teaching of the scripture.

You said no difference between celestial being and celestial body. So I rolled out the definition of celestial body for you to see.

MuttleyLaff:
Is there a difference between celestial body and celestial being?
I didnt think so

Celestial being is completely different from celestial body.

[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=71260058]Is there a difference between celestial body and celestial being?
I didnt think so

Apart from that your position and understanding of this controversial topic is wrong. One thing I noticed about you is that you don't like to admit that you are wrong.

MuttleyLaff:
Errr, Maamin.
Errr, I dont know, whether, I should Maamin

It big time, does Maamin.
It does big time rule out, that "the sons of God" in Job 1:6 & Job 2:1, just as with Job 38:7, does not mean angelic celestial beings

Please share how, where, when and most importantly, what the early believers and Patriarchs believed and taught.

What you learned and what was clearly understood, is an invented/manufactured truth Maamin.

It is only you reading your own meaning to those verses, you have not really refuted anything here. None of your explanations are coherent.

[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=71162476]Its bible talk, not my words.
The bible has never had angels, whether fallen or not, called sons of God.
That's an undeniable fact

Do you know what "jagidijagan wuruwuru" to the answer means?
Havent finished with you about Job 38:7, yet you're bringing in Job 1:6 and Job 2:1,
Job 1:6 and Job 2:1 are your other two out of the three champion verses, where you've misunderstood what "sons of God" means in them

Do you remember me telling you, that Job 38:7 verse, happens to be one out of your three stars and champion verses, you were waving in Mobilia's face?

I also say let's deal with the Job 38:7 verse first, before going on to the other two (i.e. Job 1:6 and Job 2:1)
You earlier said: "I'm also learning myself."
Well guess what. By the time, we are done, do you know what apart from learning, you'll be getting?
It’s called getting an education

Are you now saying that Satan who also followed the sons of God to present himself is a Sun or Moon?

Where and when were they called sons of God right before they fell?
Dont even try to quote here Job 1:6, Job 2:1 and/or Job 38:7 because you'll be making a grave mistake if you do

You know pretty well they were called the sons of God before they fell. It is so appalling that you choose to call the Sun and moon sons of God, but deny angels that are spirit beings and God's ministers who are closed to him and see him.

When that scripture was revealed, was the "g" in God too, not in upper case or lower case, was the word simply just "god"?

You capital S in sons of God, writing it as Sons of God, instead of sons of God
Why, what are you playing at writing it that way?
What not write God, with lower or small letter case g?

God or god, son or Son, Teacher or teacher, does it reduce the meaning behind the verbs?

""For to which of the angels did He ever say:
"You are my Son; today I have begotten You"?
And again: "I will be to Him for a Father, and He will be to Me for a Son"?""
- Hebrews 1:5

Good that from Hebrews 1:5a, you accept that God never beget angels at any time
Now look at Hebrews 1:5b again, to see that God never had angels at any time be his son and/or Son

Yes God only beget Jesus the Christ. So according to you God can not beget the angels as his Son but you will rather claim he beget Sun and Moon right?

Laugh as best as you can
Meanwhile just remember that he who laughs last, laughs the best

It's kind of funny. It is just funny and unbelievable.

"And God made two great lights;
the greater light to rule the day,
and the lesser light to rule the night:
he made the stars also"
- Genesis 1:16

You behaving like a drowning man desperately clutching at whatever reed/straw is in sight, he can grab on, to stay afloat

I earlier reminded you that Context is King

Job 38:7, is a good 30-plus chapters faraway from Job 1:6 and Job 2:1

The meaning of sons of God in Job 1:6 and Job 2:1, isnt similar to the meaning of sons of God in Job 38:7

Job 38:7 is about God taking Job to task,
asking him about what he knows about creation and where was he during creation
and particularly when the sun, moon and the constellation in the Genesis 1:16 account were present

Believers (i.e. sons of God) and the Son of God (i.e. Jesus Christ) are
but unfortunately not and never were angels.
Sorry.

And what did God told Job after that? That the sons of God that were rejoicing and singing were sun, moon and stars?

This you explanation is weak and unscriptural. All you context are based on nothing but your own personal interpretation.

The first bold is what again? You mean the phrase "sons of God" carries different meanings that you wish to assign to it but not angels right?

What dead on arrival point were you aiming to make with this remark?

My point is that you are very very far away from what the bible teaches in those verses.

How do you explain Satan who came together with the sons of God to resent himself as well? How do you explain the Spirits in prison? How do you explain angels that sinned that the bible talked about?

Capital NO!

[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=71204365]If you couldnt handle and get to grips with what sons of God really are in Job 38:7
what makes you think you'll take in and stomach the explaining of the true meaning of the sons of God in Job 1:6 and Job 2:1.

Why don't you try me..

The really interesting thing is that, the use of the expression, sons of God, in Genesis 6:2
came full circle with the use and it's earlier mention, in Job 1:6 & Job 2:1.

This still can't rule out the fact that they are angels. The early Christians and Patriarchs believed taught this. It is also clearly understood.

MuttleyLaff:
We havent even scratched the surface of the matter.

I warned Maamin not to quote Job 1:6, Job 2:1 and/or Job 38:7, here, as being angelic celestial beings
because he'll be making a grave mistake if he does,
but would he listen. No

Lol!

Patiently waiting for your interpretation of those verses. This is really interesting.

[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=71123911]Angels, whether fallen or not, are never called sons of God

At this point, well! it's your words against the bible's.

Job 2:1 ‎Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Let me add this one even if you are denying them to be angels.

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

It was never intended to mean fallen angels nor confuse sons of God to be fallen angels

The term sons of God, right from the Book of Job have always been used for either two things.

Unfortunately, fallen angels aren't among the two things meant when the expression sons of God is used

You erred greatly again by the above. but the scripture says otherwise. Angels are called sons of God right before they fell.

"For to which of the angels did He ever say: "You are my Son; today I have begotten You"?
And again: "I will be to Him for a Father, and He will be to Me for a Son"?"
- Hebrews 1:5

Yes, there's fundamental problem
Actually there are loadsaproblems with that

Look at Hebrews 1:5 above, to see why there is/are problem(s) with that

There are no problems whatsoever there, except the one you are making out right at this moment.
When that scripture was revealed it was not in Upper case or lower case it was simply just "son" . The use of uppercase letters are just the formal way english intend to interpret the word grammatically. Still no ambiguity.

The bold says it all..God never beget angels at any time. That is why Christ's Sonship is unique one of it kind and first of it kind.

You want the truth, don't you?
Well, then I'll give it to you, straight up.
Served ice cold, no shaking, no stirring.

"When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy"
- Job 38:7

Maamin, you and your "jagidijagan wuruwuru" to the answer ploy sha
So for your eyes, the imaginary angelic hosts, are altogether both morning stars and sons of God in Job 38:7?

Look brother, the sons of God, there, in Job 38:7, are the sun and the moon. No more, no less.
As for the morning stars (i.e. plural star), they, simply are a constellation

The constellation sang together, and the sun & moon shouted for joy

Do you know that God is called the Father of lights?
(i.e. Father of the constellation, the sun and the moon)

Context is King.
Re-read Job 38:7 in context, slowly and loudly,
then with God being the Father of lights in mind, come back with what you find

Is this the truth? Now this is unequivocally laughable and amusing.

So morning stars mean stars or  the constellation? 
And sons of God mean (sun and the moon) wow! Just wow!

All these just to avoid taking sons of God in Gen 6 as angels right? Well done sir! 

How about this Rev.22 :16  "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

Isaiah 14:12 "How you are fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! "

Rev. 12:4 "And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born."

If God is father of light, then it makes even more sense that the Son(s) is/are the light (of the world). We Christians are the light of the world Matth 5:14. Other words for "Morning star" include "shinning one", "light bringer or bearer"

So can I also say
"morning stars" = Angels
"Sons of God" = Angels ?

MuttleyLaff:
I do remember saying, I am trying to get you see that the expression "sons of God" isnt exclusively used for animated spiritual or celestial beings.

Now tell, what are these sons of God, in Job 38:7?
Are they animated spiritual or animated celestial beings, also known as angelic beings?

This Job 38:7 verse, happens to be one out of your three stars and champion verses, you were waving in Mobilia's face, weren't you?

Let's deal with this one first, before going on to the other two, shall we.

I warn you in advance, bubbles will be burst.

Do I sense as if you are trying to read a whole new and a different meaning to Job 38:7?

What could the "sons of God" possibly mean there if not angelic hosts singing and rejoicing during during the formation of the world?

Let's hear yours anyway!