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Hiswordxray:
I don't understand you.
Are you saying Jesus wasn't a God until he came to earth and died?
Or are you saying Jesus is a God even before he came to earth as a man?

What does the bible say? John 1: 1 and 14 remember?

its not in my power to change ur beleif, thats GOD's duty for real.................

[s]but stop blaspheming guys, this is antichrist[/s]

No one is blaspheming except you think Jesus is the same and co-equal as Yahweh

i will repeat my example, if am KEMI KILANI and am made of the body,spirit and soul=so which is greater? which?the body?the soul?or spirit?

Nice example but it lack scriptural backing , John 4:24 "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." so between Yahweh, Jesus and the Holy spirit which of them is the soul? and is the holy spirit different from God(Yahweh) which in his nature is a spirit?

its antichrist to say their are GODS, except u mean gods, the oxford dictionary also defines it proper, GOD is dift from god.

It even more antichrist to say that there are 3 Gods but they are one when Deu 6:4 says otherwise. If oxford dictionary defines God from god, then we might have to go back to the original greek text and the hebrew text..so tell me is there upper case or lower case in this ancient languages when they were being translated?

in the begining of this earth the holy spirit was introduced as the one hovering and forming, the father was using the word(son) to speak..............

Gen 1:2 " And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

they are 3 but one same like the human person being 3 yet cordinated to beone........................

God is spirit= spirit
Holy spirit = spirit
Jesus = flesh(body)
Please which one is the soul from your above illustration? Earlier on you liking the spirit of God to Holy spirit in Gen 1:2, yet they are separate individually but still one. How?

look at spiritual timing, First
GOD THE FATHER IN OLD TESTTAMENT, then the WORD IN NEW TESTAMENT, and currently THE holy spirit brings the connection btw man and GOD, making it 3 reigns of GOD. each with dift timing..........................

And the same God died on the cross?
In the book of Revelation the son is sitting at the right hand of God the father where is the holy spirit seated ?

EVERYBODY IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OPINION but its certainly blasphemy to say their are GODS, except u shd mean that we should expect more GODS SHOWING UP......................HABA.

But you have been using "they are" since, which I have been pointing out for you. There is but one God.

if the early apostles in the bible called him JESUS GOD, why will a man who is not a witness nor was there when our lord and his disciples were laying there lifes so that the ministry of GOD will increase currently under the leadership of the holy spirit..................its blasphemy and doctrine

The Apostles are very much aware of who Jesus is truly is i.e (the son of God). Jesus have a God and father and he(Jesus) came to show us that God and father. And if you claim to be christ-like, you should follow suit.

and this i promise everybody reading this,no church on earth will get u to heaven..................................if u beleive a church will, u are ignorant.

Of course no church grant salvation..salvation is of the lord alone to the Jews first then to the Gentiles.
Phil 2:4 "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling". All you need to do believe in God who have been declared by the Son (Jesus).

if a Man cant explain how a man being 3persons is well explanable and created wouldnt it be stupidity to understand the complexity btw GOD in 3 persons, remeber he said let us make man in our image........

No! it is not stupidity. The scripture is very explicit about "one God". No ambiguity

GOD HAS A SPIRIT, SO DO MAN

GOD IN MAN FORM, JESUS

GOD THE FATHER, BELEIVED TO BE SOMEWAY EQUAL TO SOUL(the soul cordinates the body and spirit yet nevr is the superior)

John 4:24 says "God is spirit" @bolded is not scriptural

thanks

Thank you for your time

Hiswordxray:
Answer my question:
If the Jewish had another God then why didn't they mentioned him in the old testament?

They dont have 2 or 3 Gods that are one like you think.

The hebrew shema is strongly held as a pledge up till today..Deu 6:4

Now for your question: God's one and only son came to earth at an appointed time through the power of the holy spirit to fulfil the law. Here is the prophecy by Prophet Isaiah in Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

Hebrews 1:1-2 "1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Hiswordxray:
Answer my question:
If the Jewish had another God then why didn't they mentioned him in the old testament?

Sorry please you are the one claiming they have plenty God more than one true God.

Hiswordxray:
Let me put it this way:
The Jewish people believe in one God.
But later in the new testament we see a God which seem to be different from the God in the old testament.
One may conclude that the new God emerged later in the new testament.
But John said this God had been God before creation.
If this is so why did the old testament never mentioned the new God?
We have only one answer:
1) The new God is the same with the God mentioned in the old testament otherwise the Jewish people have two Gods.


If Jesus was another God of the Jewish people why wasn't he mentioned in the old testament?

So Jesus is the same person as Yahweh in the Old testament?

An2elect2:
what is easterز

Easter is anyone that comes from the east..
































Kidding!

Abuamam:
[s]While the spiritual angle would make it satisfying to xtians that they are being selectively persecuted because they are the 'saints', the reality is far from that. Even if we limit 'terrorism' to actions by only Islamist groups; ignoring CAR and Myanmar and Gujarat etc, we can see that more Muslims are killed than Xtians; from BH to ISIS. Also, I doubt if the Satan worshippers (Yazidis), and the Shi'a alawites who ISIS tried to exterminate would fall under your explanation of 'saintly persecutions'. Even where xtians are selected, I percieve it mainly to be from resentment against xtian led/ supported invasions of Muslim majority countries like Somalia, Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan. In Iraq and Syria for example, xtians were a relatively prosperous community until the US 'liberated' them from Saddam and Assad. The terrorists merely see xtians as the representatives of the unreachable drone and jet fighter operators bombing them from above. It would also help if the West stopped describing their 'war on terror' as a crusade.[/s]

The Op, is talking about Christians and you are talking about xtians total crap!

Hiswordxray:
God called Jesus God because [size=16pt]they are[/size] one God.
The Jewish believe in one God but you say John was talking about another Jewish God.
You said Jesus became God after he died on the cross but John said said Jesus was God before he came to earth.

When will you see how incorrect you are...

You sound amusing and at the same time confused, how can God(Yahweh) call himself(Jesus) God because they are one God. Was God talking to himself or to another different from him?

You are not only twisting the scripture but you are also lying against me @bolded blue, Go back and read through when did i say that?

Hiswordxray:
Your illustration is incorrect.
You have forgotten one thing: there are many human but the Jewish believe there is only one God. Therefore when you hear a Jewish person talking about his God then you should know he is talking about one God.
John said Jesus was God and that is simple enough to understand except you have the motive of twisting the Bible.

Tell me, why would someone who believe in one God be talking about two Gods as his God?

My illustration is correct unless you want to ignore the truth in it. There are also many God but none is unto like Yahweh.

Even God that says in Isaiah 45:5 and 6 that there is no God like him and none else...also called Jesus God in Hebrew 1:8..so did God also made a mistake or twisting his word? No!

Hiswordxray:
You people keep emphasizing on "the Word was with God" but you ignore "the Word was God".

Eve was with Adam and Eve was one flesh with Adam. Those this sound unbiblical?

Of course the word was God..but this word that was God was also with another called God.

John 1:2 "The same was in the beginning with God."
And for the record He (the word) came from this God

Let me make a little example using you and your father=human

In the beginning was Hiswordxray and the Hiswordxray was with human, and Hiswordxray was human.

Now the ending says "Hiswordxray was human"..the fact that you are human and with another human which is your supposed father whom you came from, does that make you equal or have the same authority and power as your father? No! But the attributed fact is your father is human and Hiswordxray is human too. Hiswordxray is lesser than his father in position of authority.

Adam and Eve being one flesh has been explained to you over and over and over again..you seem to be confusing yourself with that.

nutarious:
in addition to what BINGBAGBO POSTED UP..................................................

many wont beleive that Jesus is equal to God .................................................

Firt, know very well that Jesus wont have taught and save us if he had said i am GOD,the JEWS wont accept so he has to teach them using their beleif of GOD.................................thats why you see him giving credits to the father which in real sence a worship of GOD, JESUS OR HOLY SPIRIT IS SAME..............................................

HAVE read from post to post and seen so much arguement, this is exactly what happen in Jewish days, people wont just change their doctrines just like that, so you can see he was careful in changing their perception about GOD but make them worship GOD.....


SOLUTION


LETS NOT TAKE THE ACCOUNT OF JESUS COS ITS HOTLY DEBATED, LETS TAKE THE ACCOUNT OF GOD CONSCERNING JESUS............what did God say about JESUS.

HEBREW SOLVED THIS.......................................
LETS CHECK GODS WORDS OF JESUS..............................

HEBREW 1=8, NOTE, this is GOD now talking and not JESUS...........................

reading and writing from KJV

8=But unto the son he saith,

"thy throne , O GOD, is for ever and ever:
A sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy KINGDOM"

THATS GOD calling Jesus GOD...................................................

TO CONFIRM MORE THAT THOSE ARE GODS WORDS...................................

VERSE 9 CONFIRMS IT,

9= THOU HAST LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED INIQUITY,

THEREFORE GOD,even thy GOD hath anoited thee with the oil of gladnss above thy fellows...........................



MORAL HERE IS

GOD called SON GOD...................................period so they are both GOD,

ASSUMING AM KEMI KILANI, I would be made of 3 elements in terms of the soul body and spirit..........................to say one is superior is saying rubish, all has theri depts.......................................................

only GOD in 3 persons will be able to say much about this complexity...............................but they are one.........................................



thanks

When you say "change doctrine " do you mean to doctrine of men? . Eph.4:14 "That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;"

Hebrew Chapter 1 verse 8 is also clear enough that Jesus is God but he(Jesus) has his own God(Yahweh). It is even clearer that God(Yahweh) simply called him 'God' and not 'My God'

Why did you say "but they are one" and not "but he is one"?

Deu.6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD

Horlufemi:
I understand you well well.

you can say Jesus has everything that makes God God. I prefer saying Godkind now. Jesus is Godkind. Jehovah is Godkind.

They are Godkind.

John 1:1 shows Jesus and God are explicit. [s]Jesus is even The Yahweh we know in the old testament.[/s]

an example of this is Genesis 19:24 – “Then the LORD rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven” (NASB). They are the Godkind.

People should read their bibles.

You might want to buttress on the bolded and striked, I could relate to that but I want to see on what context of understanding you have on that.

What exactly are you driving at in Gen 19:24 ?

ISAIAH 44:6
"This is what the LORD says-- Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.

Isaiah 45:5-6 "5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else."

Deu.6:4 "4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD"

REVELATIONS 22: 12-16...

12 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

Lol..so because Jesus referred to himself as "the first and the last,the alpha and omega" in revelation you think he is the same as Yahweh? Besides this particular revelation is been given to John by an Angel sent by the Lamb(Jesus) from God the father (Yahweh). So tell me could the angel also be referring to himself as the "first and the last too?" Try reading from Rev.21:22-23 the father and the lamb are seen as the light of this new Jerusalem. Then starting from Rev 22 from chapter 1 to the end will be clear. Also christ received the book with the seven seal in Rev 5:1-9 from someone who is seated on the throne (who was the one sitting on the throne?).

DO WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT FIRSTS AND THE LASTS..........PRAY FOR THE HOLY SPIRIT TO UNDERSTAND THIS GREAT MYSTERY (1 TIMOTHY 3:16)

No! Just like we dont have two different 'One and only true God'. Christ has always taking from what is of the father and shown it to us. John 14:10 "10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."

Jesus calling himself "the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end" is no dispute here just like "hearing from the horses mouth"

John 8:24
I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins."

Isaiah 43:25

“I, even I, am he who blots out
your transgressions, for my own sake,
and remembers your sins no more

Ok, you are mixing things up here.."i am he" in John 8:24 by Jesus means i.e the expected Messiah who is to save the world. Now in Isaiah 43:25, Yahweh is also saying that it is "he" who saves them(Israelite) from their transgressions.

Remember i said earlier on that even Yahweh is Jesus's God and Saviour.

Yahweh is Jesus's saviour and God....which makes Him the saviour and God over all...so there cant be co-equality between father and son.
would u deny that Yahweh isn't Jesus's saviour??

Let me quote hebrew 5:4-10...

4 And no one takes this
honor on himself, but he receives it when
called by God, just as Aaron was.
5 In the same way, Christ did not take on
himself the glory of becoming a high priest.
But God said to him,
“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father.”
6 And he says in another place,
“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek.”
7 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he
offered up prayers and petitions with fervent
cries and tears to the one who could "SAVE" him
from death, and he was heard because of his
reverent submission. 

Did u read ""to the one(Yahweh) who could"" save"" Him(Jesus) from death"".??....

That verse 7 tells who the saviour of Christ is.....
Jesus died to save us,Yahweh saved Jesus....it was all Yahweh's plan...

That's why I said Yahweh is the saviour of all Saviours.....Almighty Saviour that is why the co-equality of both father and son in trinity cant be and will never be possible.
U get it??

JESUS BLESS YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And Bless you too!

Hiswordxray:
So what are you saying concerning John 1:1

1 In the beginning was the Word(Jesus), and the Word(Jesus) was with God(Yahweh), and the Word(Jesus) was God.

Hope this should make it very clear for you..emphasis on the word "with".

johnw74:
He doesn't appear to be lacking in faith, and is certinally not deluded.

Perhaps your problem is having a puffed up spirit.

Of course he is . If not he wont think Jesus is equal and the same God as Yahweh.

Hiswordxray:
[s]So you think John 1:1 is incorrect while John 3:16 is the correct one. [/s]
Every verse in Bible are in perfect unity.

I never say so. your word against mine..

XBLadez:
Bingbagbo, wtf! So when Jesus prayed "Eli, Eli, why have you forsaken me?" He was actually praying to himself? And whose voice said ''This is my beloveth Son, in whom I have approved, listen ye to him"? Jesus too?
Even Christ Himself said "nobody knows the day of the rapture, not even the Son" (referring to Himself) .. "only the Father does." And that's the Almighty God.
You're seriously not serious!

This is why I reject trinity co-equality..is pure delusion.. but it takes the grace of God to snap out of it..and for the co-equality we have only been battling about the true position of the Father and Son, imagine adding the third party (The holy spirit) to it.. I wonder what dey will come up with to defend their heresy. Smh!

Hiswordxray:
"Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus,

who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped" (NASV)

" Let this same attitude and purpose and [humble] mind be in you which was in Christ Jesus: [Let Him be your example in humility:]

Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped [d]or retained," (AMP )

" Think of yourselves the way Christ Jesus thought of himself. He had equal status with God but didn't think so much of himself that he had to cling to the advantages of that status no matter what. Not at all." (MSG )

" The attitude you should have is the one that Christ Jesus had:

He always had the nature of God,
    but he did not think that by force he should try to remain equal with God." (GNT)

"You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had.
Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to. " (NLT)

Should I still bring more translations or let try another verse?
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" (John 1:1)

Oh dear! Your case is worse bringing more poorly translated bible verses wont help either. Jesus was never equal to Yahweh! No!

Because Jesus is called God you think he is equal to God the father(Yahweh)? No!

Your lack of faith can not cancel my believe..smh!

Always meditate on John 3:16..who knows you might eventually snap out of your delusion.

Shalom!

ezeonwe:
What u said about Igbo setting movies, is actually a long time out-dated tradition that existed in a very few Igbo communities. But then it was based on agreement binding on the widow, the brother-in-law and the entire community. No agreement, no such act.

And for the guy who wants us to advice a friend of his, one thing might sound funny. If the guy in question has taken over his brothe's fiancee before his brother asked him to do so, he will simply take it that it has justified his action as is the case with some people today even when the husband is around. Who knows what the case is?

thougth they still practice that in some igbo land..good to know anyway

EroticAngelina:
i knw. But some men are like that u knw. Its takes time for their dickks to surpress after sex(especially sex tru the ass)

How do you know...Have you taking a joy stick in your ass before?

Omo! me i like fine face O! At least to some extent.

Attention seeker Alert!!!

joywendy:
charm them

BTW Big girl is a subjective term.

And dem try to form big grammar too.like this poster above


Op, abeg take note.

Pls does having big abuna pays bills or give money in the bank?

They should stop faking or.gasm


They should know how to make themselves CUM faster during s.ex if not they should make themselves GO. [size=4pt]No guy is ready to die on top ur mata[/size]

They should stop thinking that a guys money belongs to them.

Glaxx:
Another thing that helps, buy a notebook and write down your goals each morning. Try to accomplish as much things on the list as is possible. Also, you can get a picture board. You can use a cardboard sheet for this. Write your goals for a year on sheets of paper. Cut then out and pin them on the cardboard. Looking at it each morning will drive you.

I agree with you on this as well..my elder brother do this a lot.

Hiswordxray:
I am saying Jesus is different from God the Father and both of them are one God. This principle is totally Biblical because Adam and Eve are two different people but they are both one flesh.

But you are saying we worship two Gods which contradict what the Bible says. The Bible says we have one God but you say we have two Gods. Who should I believe, you or the Bible?

Also don't forget this verses;
"Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped"(Phi 2:5-6)

You're wrong again. Where in the scripture did you read anything like @the red bolded above? And simply remove the word "one" in that statement then you are correct.

I have already answered you on Adam and Eve being one flesh.

We worship one God the father through our lord Jesus the son of God.

Phil.2:5-6 did not say Jesus is equal to his father but he(Jesus) did not claim to be equal...reconcile it with "the father is greater than i"

In John 14:28 "28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I."

John 5:19-23 "19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him"

John 10:27-29 "27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."

Yahweh is the one true God and he is Jesus's Father, Saviour and God..always keep that in mind.

Shabbat shalom!

It is well..this is part of the bargain when we choose to follow Christ.

*Ashrei ha nirdafim biglal ha tzedakah, ki lahem malkhut ha shamayim...(Matt 5:10)
"O the blessedness of those who are persecuted for righteousness sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven"

*Ashrei khem im yecharfu veyirdeful et khem ve ya'alilu aleikhem biglali, simchu ve gilu, ki sekhar khem rav ba'shamayim, hareikakh radefu et hanevim shahayu lifne khem...(Matt 5:11-12)
"O blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you"

Amin

Shalom le'kulam

Easter is not biblical...and will never be.

Lol.. ..lets try it again

Invalid response.

For invalid question

Can you expantiate further on this, please?

Ok here : [size=16pt]Because he want us to express our desire also[/size]
Have I expantiated enough?

Now you just hanged yourself with your own rope. How do you expect a '3 year old' kid to know the difference between right and wrong? For someone so young, practically a toddler, taking a dumb in his pants is completely normal. Flogging him can be considered by most people as an act of child abuse. Another silly response.

What do you understand by "after showing him the right thing"? It means he is able to understand and already know that it is wrong so doing it again will be disobedient. And you know what comes after disobedient = punishment.(a$$ whipping)

The Greeks know where their gods come from. From the mountains of Olympus. The Norse God, Odin and son, Thor, live in Asgard. It's only the Christian and Muslim god that has no home. Another Invalid response.

First of all it is even funny that you believe in greek gods. So tell me who created or build the mountains of olympus? who build Asgard? and where is their locations and co-ordinates?

So what's your point??

What is the point of your question again?

Invalid response.

For an invalid question

Invalid response.

For an invalid question

Okay.

Issoryt

You weren't helpful at all. Obviously, you know nothing.

Can I say the same for you too?

Peace out

Nice but sad story..this will help as a good advise to those that love keeping malice.