How can something (Ifa) produce another thing (electricity) that it doesn't seek to produce?
To produce something, don't you have to conceptualize it first?
What part of Ifa divination seeks to produce electrical energy?
Can you produce Tuwo by throwing stones at a wall? To produce tuwo, will you not follow the necessary steps required to produce it?
Do you see where I am going with this? Results ARE associated with the actions which produce them.
Only fools eat corn like a fowl and expect to lay eggs like the fowl.
Allow me the honour of placing that blood sucking aboki to where he belongs. I'm more Hausa than him, cos I got A1 in the cow language he just spoke (This is by no means a way of disrespecting the sensible Hausa Nlanders)
ndu_chucks: The day you people use your Ifa to give us things like constant electricity is the day I'll start taking Kafiris seriously.
Uwarka da ubanka ne kafirai!
The day you blood sucking demons start powering turbines with the blood of innocent children you savages suck on per second basis, that day we will start taking you heartless terrorist serious.
Sai na yi kulikuli da gindin uwarka in ka sake kiranmu kafirai.
Dive-Bomber: I am vry surprised dat Tinubu is whining abt dis idea whether timing or no timing. D Yorubas hav always called 4 dis nd are happy dat d time has come. Dey shld use dis opportunity whether timing is ryt or wrong; dis opportunity may nt come again oooo!
Can you just drop your taradidles and address his concerns?
passion007: Your conclusion and the thought process that led to it are amateurish. Without forming alliances, your MUSTs will have the minority to speak for it. If Hausa-Fulani have their way and this conference is based on population, you might as well kiss goodbye to all these admirable ideals you have listed. And, perhaps get a chance to revise your decision 50 years hence. But I trust Ohaneze, Afenifere are wiser now. Plus, Afenifere's willingness to collaborate is reassuring. We might be at each other's neck all day here on NL, but when it comes to ideologies that should guide Nigeria of the future, no two groups are more in agreement than Igbos and Yorubas.
Bros, no matter the numerical strength the northerners or any other groups will present, the outcomes MUST be the same. I'm tired with this useless marriage and forced union benefiting but few so-called corrupt elites cutting across all ethnic groups. Let everybody go and progress at their own pace. Let everybody control whatever resources from their region.
Alliance is meaningless to me on all fronts, lest I forgot how my forefathers were tagged betrayals for some strangely expected unwritten commitments. How many minutes does it take to let go everyone? Even though am now having some funny thoughts about the motive and timing of this conference, but all said and done, I'm down with anything that can divide this cesspit.
Olamagnifico: Jagaban is making sense.... I just pray that GEJ is sincere becoz we nid dat SNC... GEJ is jagaban right?
Tinubu is questioning the timing of the conference and he has all the rights to do so as a citizen of this country. If Jonathan once made a public statement about rejecting the offer of convening this conference, then why all of a sudden this u-turn? was it because the northern guys are frying his assss through the New PDP? or because the northerners are demanding for PDP tickets?
As matter of fact, I will prefer division of this cesspit call Nigeria. Whichever way, I hope God can make this year the last year a name known as Nigeria will ever exist.
Ngwakwe: You failed to understand that irrespective of how well and noble your region's stand may be, the composition will surely influence and determine the outcome of the conference.
If the majority (the attendees and the make-up if allowed to tilt towards one ethnic nationality) may never subscribe to your fantastic proposals and will eventually be voted down because of ethnic and regional interest.
I don't care about any equal or unequal representation as I said earlier. We are going to table our demands openly, and we must have everything in it or we pulll out of this worthless contraptions. Every region MUST be allowed to develop at her own pace. Every region MUST control her whatever resources she has, every region MUST have regional police; every region MUST have a premier, who is the regional leader. The decentralization of power MUST commence with immediate effect.
Your equal representation does not affect me, since we have our demands which will be tabled. Enough is Enough!!!
He is right in his response to you. We dont care what you and Hausa choose to do. Hausa dont care what you or Yoruba does. Why is it you care what or how Yoruba or Hausa will respond?
The Pan-Yoruba socio-political organisation, Afenifere, also said that it is in the process of consulting with other regions to reach a consensus before the national conference commences.
Afenifere National Publicity Secretary, Mr Yinka Odumakin told Vanguard on telephone that it also intends to agitate for true federalism, parliamentary system of government and state police among others at the conference.
His words: "Processes will start across our region and we will collaborate with other regions that think like us so that we can harmonise our positions and ensure that this once in a life time opportunity, we do not miss it to give this country a good constitution. So consultations have started.
"Our agenda is very clear. We believe through this conference, we should save Nigeria from crash-landing and give Nigeria a soft-landing. We can forge an agenda for us to live in peace and harmony and our own response to the issue is that all delegates to the conference must first answer the question: Do we still want to live together as a people? If the answer is yes, then on what terms?
"For us in Afenifere, ours should be on the basis of federalism and once we agree that Nigeria should be a true Federal Republic of Nigeria, then the next thing to do is to draft a constitution that will spell out whether we want to continue to live together in harmony. As we speak now, all universities in Nigeria are under lock and key. If we have the six existing structures as regions and they manage the universities in their regions, there is no way ASUU will go on strike in the six regions at the same time."
Speaking further, the Afenifere spokesman said: "Under Obasanjo, we spent $16 billion on power and there is no light throughout Nigeria. If that $16 billion had been distributed throughout the six regions and each region had gone into different power projects, all the six could not have failed at the same time. This is what we mean by regionalism. Let everybody develop at their own pace and within their areas, let the federal be lean and the regions be strong. We also believe in Afenifere that this federal structure is too costly, it promotes a lot of corruption, we should go parliamentary. For us, federalism, parliamentary, state police, devolution of powers and derivation principles are the key issues that we believe that the national conference must address so that this country can regain its lost glory."
This is what everyone should be agitating for, and not some equal representation bullshits. No need of ANY southern unity bullshit. Let everybody hansa him papa name.
The Pan-Yoruba socio-political organisation, Afenifere, also said that it is in the process of consulting with other regions to reach a consensus before the national conference commences.
Afenifere National Publicity Secretary, Mr Yinka Odumakin told Vanguard on telephone that it also intends to agitate for true federalism, parliamentary system of government and state police among others at the conference.
His words: "Processes will start across our region and we will collaborate with other regions that think like us so that we can harmonise our positions and ensure that this once in a life time opportunity, we do not miss it to give this country a good constitution. So consultations have started.
"Our agenda is very clear. We believe through this conference, we should save Nigeria from crash-landing and give Nigeria a soft-landing. We can forge an agenda for us to live in peace and harmony and our own response to the issue is that all delegates to the conference must first answer the question: Do we still want to live together as a people? If the answer is yes, then on what terms?
"For us in Afenifere, ours should be on the basis of federalism and once we agree that Nigeria should be a true Federal Republic of Nigeria, then the next thing to do is to draft a constitution that will spell out whether we want to continue to live together in harmony. As we speak now, all universities in Nigeria are under lock and key. If we have the six existing structures as regions and they manage the universities in their regions, there is no way ASUU will go on strike in the six regions at the same time."
Speaking further, the Afenifere spokesman said: "Under Obasanjo, we spent $16 billion on power and there is no light throughout Nigeria. If that $16 billion had been distributed throughout the six regions and each region had gone into different power projects, all the six could not have failed at the same time. This is what we mean by regionalism. Let everybody develop at their own pace and within their areas, let the federal be lean and the regions be strong. We also believe in Afenifere that this federal structure is too costly, it promotes a lot of corruption, we should go parliamentary. For us, federalism, parliamentary, state police, devolution of powers and derivation principles are the key issues that we believe that the national conference must address so that this country can regain its lost glory."
This is what everyone should be agitating for, and not some equal representation bullshits. No need of ANY southern unity bullshit. Let everybody hansa him papa name.
passion007: In what universe does agreeing with someone make them, to borrow your own words, your rubber stamp? You sound insecure. Nevertheless, let's not quibble over terminologies. My question still is, where does Afenifere come down in this present disagreement? Hausa says it must be based on population (a convenient advantage for the North) Igbo says tribes, zones should be equally represented. What do you say? Feel free to inch towards the North's hankering, but at least have the decency to inform the rest of us.
Finally, that unnecessary detour to demonize Ojukwu and your simplistic account of the events that led up to the civil war both make your argument inconsistent, and without depth.
No need of big big grammar. You honestly want us to make statement endorsing your views? After eons of name calling?
The same Ohaneze that refer to us as "amala and ewedu" politicians? We won't and we can't endorse anybody, most especially when issues about our survival is on the line. If OHANEZE or whatever group want us, they should write to us and make their demands public, herein we shall look into common grounds and possibly reach an all inclusive conclusion on the matters arising. Personally, I want division at most or regional government operating true federalism, at least. Broda, na all man for him sef.
passion007: I completely agree. Think about if Afenifere were to make an official statement that they endorse Ohaneze's submission. It's a little thing, but it does show the northerners that Nigeria might no longer be business as usual. That will lead the ACF to actually think, and perhaps come to agree with others, or bring up a better suggestion.
Funny, so Afenifere should now be Ohaneze rubber stamps? If you want our backing, you must present whatever you have on clear terms. We should make official statement to endorse OHANEZE? Hmm. same way Ojukwu went to war and was expecting us to come in and side with him; and when we took actions for our best interest, you.tagged us "backstabbers".
Constitutional crisis of January 1965: Following the controversial Federal Election of December 1964, ceremonial President Azikiwe of the NCNC, urged by radical intelligentsia, refused to invite Prime Minister Balewa of the NPC to form a government and issued orders mobilizing the Army to enforce his authority to suspend the government, annul the elections and appoint a temporary interim administrator to conduct elections. However, the oath of allegiance of the officer corps was not only to the Commander in Chief but also to the government of Nigeria. The Army Act (#26 of 1960) and the Navy Act (#9 of 1960) were also clear on lines of authority and control. While the Army and Navy were "under the general authority" of the Defence Minister in matters of "command, discipline and administration", the authority for operational use and control was vested in the Council of Ministers and the Prime Minister. President Azikiwe and the service chiefs were so advised by the Chief Justice and Attorney General of the Federation. Thus the Navy Commander, Commodore Wey politely told the President that the Navy (under him), the Army (under Major General Welby-Everard) and the Police (under Louis Edet) had decided to refuse his orders. After a week of cliff hanging tension, in which the military stood aside, a political compromise was eventually reached and a government of "national unity" formed under Prime Minister Balewa.
Could the paragraphs below explain why Zik did nothing?
Constitutional crisis of January 1965: Following the controversial Federal Election of December 1964, ceremonial President Azikiwe of the NCNC, urged by radical intelligentsia, refused to invite Prime Minister Balewa of the NPC to form a government and issued orders mobilizing the Army to enforce his authority to suspend the government, annul the elections and appoint a temporary interim administrator to conduct elections. However, the oath of allegiance of the officer corps was not only to the Commander in Chief but also to the government of Nigeria.
The Army Act (#26 of 1960) and the Navy Act (#9 of 1960) were also clear on lines of authority and control. While the Army and Navy were "under the general authority" of the Defence Minister in matters of "command, discipline and administration", the authority for operational use and control was vested in the Council of Ministers and the Prime Minister. President Azikiwe and the service chiefs were so advised by the Chief Justice and Attorney General of the Federation.
Thus the Navy Commander, Commodore Wey politely told the President that the Navy (under him), the Army (under Major General Welby-Everard) and the Police (under Louis Edet) had decided to refuse his orders. After a week of cliff hanging tension, in which the military stood aside, a political compromise was eventually reached and a government of "national unity" formed under Prime Minister Balewa.
Constitutional crisis of January 1965: Following the controversial Federal Election of December 1964, ceremonial President Azikiwe of the NCNC, urged by radical intelligentsia, refused to invite Prime Minister Balewa of the NPC to form a government and issued orders mobilizing the Army to enforce his authority to suspend the government, annul the elections and appoint a temporary interim administrator to conduct elections. However, the oath of allegiance of the officer corps was not only to the Commander in Chief but also to the government of Nigeria. The Army Act (#26 of 1960) and the Navy Act (#9 of 1960) were also clear on lines of authority and control. While the Army and Navy were "under the general authority" of the Defence Minister in matters of "command, discipline and administration", the authority for operational use and control was vested in the Council of Ministers and the Prime Minister. President Azikiwe and the service chiefs were so advised by the Chief Justice and Attorney General of the Federation. Thus the Navy Commander, Commodore Wey politely told the President that the Navy (under him), the Army (under Major General Welby-Everard) and the Police (under Louis Edet) had decided to refuse his orders. After a week of cliff hanging tension, in which the military stood aside, a political compromise was eventually reached and a government of "national unity" formed under Prime Minister Balewa.
Could the paragraphs below explain why Zik did nothing?
Constitutional crisis of January 1965: Following the controversial Federal Election of December 1964, ceremonial President Azikiwe of the NCNC, urged by radical intelligentsia, refused to invite Prime Minister Balewa of the NPC to form a government and issued orders mobilizing the Army to enforce his authority to suspend the government, annul the elections and appoint a temporary interim administrator to conduct elections. However, the oath of allegiance of the officer corps was not only to the Commander in Chief but also to the government of Nigeria.
The Army Act (#26 of 1960) and the Navy Act (#9 of 1960) were also clear on lines of authority and control. While the Army and Navy were "under the general authority" of the Defence Minister in matters of "command, discipline and administration", the authority for operational use and control was vested in the Council of Ministers and the Prime Minister. President Azikiwe and the service chiefs were so advised by the Chief Justice and Attorney General of the Federation.
Thus the Navy Commander, Commodore Wey politely told the President that the Navy (under him), the Army (under Major General Welby-Everard) and the Police (under Louis Edet) had decided to refuse his orders. After a week of cliff hanging tension, in which the military stood aside, a political compromise was eventually reached and a government of "national unity" formed under Prime Minister Balewa.
It is curious that Zik called on the military to enforce his authority; why not the attorney general? Or the courts for proper interpretation?
It is no surprise that Zik was drinking Rum in the Caribbean as his colleagues were taking bullets from his errand boys.
So, all along the power thirsty, ibo greedy frog called Zik was angling for power illegally? This is new to me. The picture is now very clear and final puzzle pieced together.
Zik wanted power at all cost and when he couldn't get it, he hired his cousin to eliminate his opponents while he was chilling with strippers in Caribbean under the guise of medical excursion. Little wonders he refused coming back by December to attend one of the most important occasion in the history of Nigeria. After the coup, he automagically became alright. How can any sane person defend this?
[size=20pt]“Tell your principal that Igbos are for him. He has my support and by extension he has the support of the whole Igbo people both at home and in the Diaspora. He is my friend and I am stoutly behind him,” Ojukwu said. He used the occasion to rechristen Babangida as Okechukwu. “He is now Ibrahim Badamasi Okechukwu Babangida. That is his new name. I wish him success.” Earlier[/size],
Now, the man has taken the provocation further. Ikemba now wants us to vote for IBB. Now let us face it. I think this is politics of ‘self and for myself’ on the part of Ikemba Nnewi. And if I may ask, the so-called houses IBB released to Ikemba, how many of them did he share with his supporters, friends and associates he has been using for years? What have I gained as an Igbo man from the release of the property? Ikemba Nnewi may need to do more explanations on what IBB did for South East during his 9 years in office as President. To ask us to vote for IBB because he released his father’s property is an insult in our collective intelligence. It does not add up. It makes no sense.
Later on, the grass munching goats will have the audacity to call the northerners incompetent after opening their legs for the aboki to fvck. Pathetic.
Hausa are incompetent, Yet Ibos have never stopped being their ally in 1960, 1979, 1983, 1993 etc
Its always the Angelic Ibos allying as junior partners with these devilish Hausas
Sai San Turakin Darazo. . .
The funniest thing of all, is they supported the so-called incompetent northerners.
Look at Ojukwu licking the yansh of IBB here against Jonathan.
“Tell your principal that Igbos are for him. He has my support and by extension he has the support of the whole Igbo people both at home and in the Diaspora. He is my friend and I am stoutly behind him,” Ojukwu said. He used the occasion to rechristen Babangida as Okechukwu. “He is now Ibrahim Badamasi Okechukwu Babangida. That is his new name. I wish him success.” Earlier,
solomon111: Morøns on this thread comparing boko-haram insurgency to conventional war. Idiots. America has not been able to defeat the talibans for many years now,yet the same america will destroy any country in a conventional war in a matter of weeks.
Well said.
The only person with higher IQ on this thread. Even in Iraq, the US couldn't go alone, they had to form alliance and CALLED it coalition forces.
Caleboha:Its stupid to even contemplate a war with France. See how Boko haram, few uneducated, poorly trained riff raffs slaughter Nigerian soldiers daily. Naija will no longer exist on world map if we try that. War isn't mere talk, its war!!!
Similarly, few Talibans have been kicking the arsss of US in Afghanistan for the past decade. War isn't mere talks, it's war.
It was this same incompetent man and his party that your people could align with during the first republic. Perhaps, the intention was to subjugate them politically and when that failed, they had to be killed.
Katsumoto is a hardcore bigot. He is never objective, can never be objective and will never be objective. It's only few of you that still have respect for him. Even his fellow Yorubas are not fooled.
What nonsense? Yes, you are right. The Yorubas are not fooled by your spinning and revisions.
You know about Decree 34, right? IBOS greed put us into this mess. All regions were competing with each, the north had the groundnut pyramids; southwest was dealing in cocoa before the greedy ibo came in to the scene to abolished regional system of governance concerning power for their benefits.
Just like Awolowo, Femi Kayode, Fashola, and others; Kats does not need your approval and the fact that you are not happy with him shows he is actually doing well cos we all know the ibos can only like you when you allow them to roughshod you.
Just watch and tell if there is any Nigerian that can mirror similar heroic welcoming in US, than this man murdered in cold blood by the ibo power thirsty animals.
Watch the man that murdered Sardauna in cold blood granting interview like a celebrity, describing how he killed him. Notice how he said Ironsi was his boss.
This is a coup plotter that ought to have been executed by firing squad, granting interviews like a celebrity. They killed every other person that is not ibo with precision and somehow, somehow all the ibo corrupt politicians were either extending their stay oversea for no reason or nowhere to be found.
From the above video and from the horse's mouth, you hear him saying they went after sardauna, searching from room to room, after blowing up his main building, shot him in the presence of his family.
Why then are the idiots arguing here giving useless excuses why Michael Okpara was not killed? Because ibos are special breeds and were actually created by God to dominate and rule others?
Hear him saying "Ironsi is my boss", and some fools here will want us to believe that ironsi wasn't part of the bigger pictures?
clearly, this was an ibo coup, executed to put ibos on others since the zik alliance with north wasn't working.
Was Sir.Abubakar Tafawa Balewa ever corrupt as branded by the ibo power thirsty animals? This was the man that died without a single house! A man that left behind few shirts(Hausa Attire), Single world receiver radio. A man that died without a single bank account!
Yet, the ibo POWER thirsty goons murdered him in cold blood.
You lacked human manners. No wonder you rant like a dog. I have tried to make iota of sense of human intellects from your posts but drew blank. I am convinced that maggots are better and more intelligence than you. At least, they know how to submerge when they sense danger.
So, tell us about the dynamism of LIES and how the figures can keep changing when trapped in a closet with avalanche of pure lies.
DedeFool no go kii pesin this night. Imagine how shameless this old lying goat can go to justify lies?
Politics / Re: Centenary Village To Cost N3.2 Trillion by MafiaMan: 8:59pm On Oct 07, 2013 
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Its stupid to even contemplate a war with France. See how Boko haram, few uneducated, poorly trained riff raffs slaughter Nigerian soldiers daily. Naija will no longer exist on world map if we try that. War isn't mere talk, its war!!!