₦airaland Forum

He should write a letter to his 'IPOB' girlfriend to tell KANU to stop bleaching.

HzRF:
Why don't you share them part of the rice Aisha gave u guys

I don't know about that. What I know is my townspeople not wanting to touch Jonathan's rice with a long pole.

OrlandoOwoh:
Chukwudi44 and FreeGlobe are nowhere to be found.

True my broda. Maybe those ones know the game is up.

The crumb catchers are left lamenting online while those who 'chopped' have absconded to silently 'eat' their loot. Even here on Nl, the headmasters of the e-touts (like Sincere9gerian and Ochejoseph) have disappeared, leaving Mogidi, Firefire, Broken TV, SSnape, Dastardly, etc.) crying for for the loss of their daily pay.

Reyginus:
I don't consider myself a Christian anymore but I love the person of Jesus Christ. I have come to understand the true meaning of Christianity and I don't think I'm worthy to be called one.

But I will answer you. I love Jesus Christ because he stood for Justice and Love of one another. If I may ask, why do you want Nigeria to still be together irrespective of the disunity and hate staying together breed?

My not liking Nigeria not to be one won't make it not to be one. And like I said, I wasn't there when they put it together and possibly won't be there when it would be no more. So, what's the point in worrying that it must not be one, when even those worrying are only getting blood pressures, because of their selfish intents. I will just do my best within its space and if it's no more, I move on. Or, do you think calling for arms buildup and abusing the president and Nigerians from other tribes, as KANU is doing is the way forward?

IPOB123london:
yes he went to court and lost the case correct

that meant he has to respect the verdict of the court under the constitution of Nigeria at the time Obasanjor was in power

Today the same court he went to he has refused to respect the verdict of the court

over to you?

But states have the power to rearrest now.

Buhari went to court; what's wrong with that. KANU didn't go to court. He set up a radio station abusing Buhari and Nigeria. KANU isn't the first man to be rearrested after being released by Nigerian courts. He's a security threat. Why should his be different?

Criticism for criticisms sake. Must you talk if you have nothing to say

This psychological defense mechanism wont work for you. You've 'chopped' money and are saying this so that people will say "persecution" when they catch you.

Reyginus:
You didn't really address any of the points I raised. How do you make the love appear when loving these people is a prerequisite for their existence? Deep down Nigerians hate themselves. Look at the example of IPOB and Shia protests. People were killed and because they are not from my place I justify the killing with insane ideology and protest pattern. What a wonderful thing for higher values.

Five countries is even too small. Qatar is two million plus and the reason for their prosperity is the unity of ideas. We can split as much as possible if we really know what higher values mean. The little communities left out can then negotiate which country they want to join. A Yoruba man can argue with a Yoruba on issues but because they share same ideology the problem wouldn't have any root to take shape. But imagine an ideological disagreement between two different tribes where both will never adjust. The problem will Iive long.

You seem not to get Eritrean situation. Like Nigerians before Western Invasion, they were living peacefully but after Ethiopia invaded the country and controlled almost everything a situation of war was created. Or is it Skirmishes. But immediately they were left alone like they've always being peace was restored again. The skirmishes and war stopped.

It tells a lot about forcing people together. The Europeans who raped Africa knew this would happen and would make Africa below them for a very long time. It's easier for Rwanda to pick themselves up faster than Nigerians to do same. Why? Simply because the Hutus and Tutsi are actually a single tribe destroyed by the Superiority of Size.

I've been going all round and you don't seem to agree with any of my points. Let me take another angle, and let's see whether you'll get the picture, though it's metaphysical. Christianity and tribe are two of the reasons being highlighted as the reasons for our incompatibility and differing ideologies. I suppose you are a Christian. Why do you love Jesus Christ?

Reyginus:
It seems the argument is easy for you if you keep repeating 'Biafra' and not the peaceful departure of all aggrieved parties. You think only a section of the country is tired and want secession? Do you really think so? Have you been to Vandekya in Benue State, or Logo, Agatu, Makurdi, Idoma? Ogirimagongo in Kogi, the Okene's, Lokoja? Or the Gbagyi and Wari in Niger State? Or is it the Oyo?

Nigerians are really tired of each other. You think these people still love the Union? Or because they don't shout it like the IPOB you conclude everyone is happy? So now tell me, is Eritrea and Ethiopia not better for the peace now? Can you honestly say Yes if asked if you love the Igbo man? What about your brothers will they say same?

Majority of my people I know don't love your people(It doesn't matter where you are from) and I am hundred percent the feeling is mutual. So tell me why stay together? What's intelligent about it? Is it really stupidity or wisdom? We know how the hate is all round but we still pretend. Isn't it madness? And you wonder why Africa seems like a Dark Continent. What have we achieved from staying together that is positive and will lose when we stay apart and still sign treaties? I wonder why only few see this error

What you have their is a recipe for chaos. You already have over five countries in your submission, and if every tribe's dissatisfaction should lead to statehood, then be ready to have as many as four hundred (400) countries out of Nigeria.

Why shouldn't I love the Igboman. If others from my side can't do as I do, just like some Igbo will do from your side, then their lack of higher virtues is of concern to me only in the sense that I want it developed.

As for Eritrea, it's not its independence from Ethiopia that brought about your acclaimed peace. They've always considered themselves an ndependent jurisdiction, and it's its annexation by Ethiopia that should be blamed for whatever conflicts and the subsequent sufferings caused.

MXrep:
I will support any shooting this time around.

A government body that has the right to rearrest an accuse performed its statutory duties and you're everywhere insisting that court orders were ignored, but you want these people shot.

Reyginus:
No, I'm not saying Eritrea is a success after gaining independent from Ethiopia but saying that an evil was eliminated. The evil of killing one another and fighting senseless wars was drastically reduced. And you are still talking about Biafra?

To begin with, Biafra is flawed. The tribes that are to be a part of it must first agree they want to be a part of it. You don't collate people into whatever thing you believe without asking their consent. Imagine what would have happened if the Igala had a country of theirs and the sane thing with the Igburas.

So tell me in the light of the above, is your argument still the same?

Eritrea has always been autonomous, even in its union with Ethiopia. What caused the senseless killings was its annexation by Ethiopia, like 'IPOB' is trying to do to Nigeria's territory, or the unilateral declaration of 'Biafran' independence by the 'Biafran' secessionists.

Reyginus:
Lolololol. Come on! That only solidifies Heterogeneity as Africa's reason for failure. I don't know if you get it? If there's been improvement from staying together your statement would have made much sense but it is the other way round. The fact that Eritreans do not have to fight Ethiopians anymore is a good thing.

Eritrea, your case study is multiethnic, with single tribe making up over 50%. If you consider it a success, could we then consider it as a success of heterogeneity. Biafra is recipe for disaster. It is more heterogeneous in its present IPOB composition. Worse is I heard a part of Northern Nigeria (the Kogi Igala) is annexed as IPOB territory. Nn Nigeria won't relinquish an inch of territory.

Reyginus:
ExampleS? Like SS and?

If secessionist enclaves are difficult to find, even in Africa, that is thought to be a fragile continent, that goes to tell you it's not the norm and it's a risky enterprise.

Reyginus:
Yes, but using South Sudan is being economical with the truth. Why not go to Europe? Slovenia, Ukraine, Croatia.

Examples from Africa will mirror what will become of the Biafran experiment.

Reyginus:
Lolol. Don't shift the argument to just Igbos. We are still about the meaning of this unusual unity we share. Your interpretation of such logic is not true. The true picture is, by going our various ways like Europe did, there's a greater chance that we would be better people because we share almost everything. Who is playing Victim? Is it me you ate tried to quote or someone else?

You cannot with all guarantee insist that disintegration will translate to development. The South Sudan is a case in point. Whichever way, it won't work if people won't make it work.

Reyginus:
Stop pushing the argument to that of a particular tribe you'd do better without that. I thought we were talking about the country's workability and likely options?

The sole purpose of the thread is to point out the 'unworkability' of Nigeria and push the Biafra agenda. That's why it has to be pointed out.

MXrep:
I from Enugu but i have always acknowledged that my ppl's achievement is "beneath" that of Anambra ppl, it actualy inspires me to work harder to be like them.

Inspiration is different from cultural prejudice. Whatever you achieve won't make you equal to the Anambra man, except if it's not sociocultural.

Reyginus:
You still don't get it. Has Nigeria ever worked? Can Nigeria work? His do we tackle Religion and Tribalism? Don't tell me by starting from us tell me something better.

If it hasn't, then by your logic, it will work when the Igbos are out of Nigeria. Another place we differ is, I've never seen those of different religious persuasion or tribe as impeding my or Nigeria's progress. If others are tribal or extreme in their religious views, it speaks more about them than me. The Igbo has to do more to be trusted on those grounds you're projecting to others. You have more trust issues yo resolve than others. Either you look inside to adjust or you continually play the victim-hood.

MXrep:
but these should be the least of ur problems as long as u can now enjoy the capable steerer alone

I ain't wailing, you are.

Reyginus:
It doesn't go against my assertion it's still in support of it. Somolia is not a Homogeneous country. But homogeneity is not the only requirement for peace it is just the strongest. You will also need sensible people at the helm of affairs for it to be put into use.

It is like a football team with wonderful players who understand how the game is played. No matter how good they are they still need a good coach. Now imagine what happens if the players are very bad players, few good players, coupled with a bad coach. Now paint that picture and tell me what you think.

Biafra? Better put, different nations. First is, their unity will not be a fragile one. You don't have to show fear when a Salman writes a book about Islam. Invasion of lands would be treated as trespassing into another republic. Is anything wrong with these three?

I've on past occasion insisted on leadership as the problem bedeviling this country. Whether it's 'Biafra', Nigeria or Somalia, this is the curse. That you've admitted reluctantly. I am happy for Nigeria now having a capable steerer. You guys don't want to hear this but your agendas. Biafra looks more like a helpless situation, with unclear boundaries, hostile neighbors, and psychopaths (the (Kanus) as its champions.

noblezone:
Separation?
Thanks a million times.

We seek separation from Nigeria.
We have been killed and abused enough.

Your example only goes to say Nigeria is a bad husband. Were your eyes closed when he was courting you? If you want out, even in marriages, there are established processes to follow.

Reyginus:
The claim is not true. The stats say different. In a rotten place where there is a completely homogeneous people rebuilding would be less problematic than in a rotten heterogeneous society.

Then you must accept that homogeneity does not MEAN stability. The FACT of its (Somalia's) instability, for nearly three decades, goes against your assertion. And in what way will Biafra be different from Nigeria with bickering going on between the Igbo and the non-Igbo elements invited to join the union? Or, is the quest to be out of Nigeria and still grapple with whatever Nigeria is grappling with?

Reyginus:
I hear that too but I'm yet to see an Anambra dude do it to me. I've not had a first hand experience. But then what the tribe, not just the Igbos, share in common is greater than what separates them. It is easier for the Gbagyi man to relate well with his fellow Gbagyis who share a similar belief than they do with a Fulani Muslim with entirely different way of life.

Then if homogeneity is the most valued criteria for nationhood, then Somalia should have been the most stable country on Earth.

Reyginus:
Yeah. Ghandi's nonviolent approach worked because the people shared a similar ideology and belief. They were Hindus and such method of warfare is accommodated in the religion. But how does a Muslim respond if I decide to do same? How does a traditional worshipper respond too?

I've told you the change you aspire is the morality of the man and not the workability of the state. When your personal values align with mine we can form a nation but when our values are diametrically opposed any change we envision is tied to it. And no matter what we will never agree. Do you understand this?

Even in Igboland, what makes some Igbo think they far above other human beings of the same tribe. How do you resolve the Osu caste system, for example, or as I was told that Igbos from 'Anambra' think other Igbos are beneath them. You're acting as if you're the only one with good attributes while others don't have. The best of us are those who overcome challenges, not those who're desirous of pointing and lamenting them out.

noblezone:
A man was found to be very short tempered
He beats the wife at every excuse.

One day, he came back late and the wife delayed to open the door because she had slept off.

She got the beating of her life that night and landed in the hospital.

While crying out her heart to a marriage counselor, and was asking of what to do, she was told to

Be the change you seek.


Malcomx, you are just dancing near issues.

Several times we have buried our dead killed in the violence prone north without making noise.
Our people are still in the North.

They will still be killed someday or their properties destroyed some other day over little or nothing.

Your massage is, we should change.

Now, what exactly are we supposed to change from?

It makes me sick to hear that a community in Enugu was attacked at night with scores dead.

How will such communities change? Change from what to what?

We are talking of humans who take responsibility for what they put out. His lack of self- control shouldn't be an excuse to commit an abuse. She should seek separation or jail for him. This man you're talking is what you're ready to accept in your Biafra 'republic.' KANU was caught in a hotel with another woman, having left his pregnant wife somewhere. Both the wife-beater and KANU are abusers whose lack of self-awareness disqualifies them from seeking leadership.

Reyginus:
I gave up books like this about six years ago to focus on books that deal with the fundamentals of human life. I'd advise you do same. You should read through to find the philosophy behind it. Life is too complex and deep for such surface books to explain

But you know Gandhi. His only advice to those seeking anything, is to BE the change you want to see in the world.

Reyginus:
God won't solve this one. In the reign of Solomon only one God was recognized by his subjects and I wonder which of the Gods in our case are we talking about.

In that case, just try to be just for each moment. That will do.
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You and I didn't land on Nigeria. It landed on us, and if tomorrow it's not there there's nothing I can do but to accept what's there. And I won't worry myself that it must remain a certain way for me to function. I accept what obtains and if tomorrow it breaks, I move on. I didn't put it together and I cannot know or worry when it will not be together.

Reyginus:
You don't seem to get it. If I have to change my ways through any introspection then it's be necessary that who ever I'm living with also has to change. Isn't it so? Personally, I don't really see anything I need change. Is it the idea that the country is working or you are asking me to become a lie? What sort of change do I alone need for the country to change?

This story of a man seeking to change others by Vernon Howard is a perfect reply to you quest:
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A seeker came to his teacher to complain, “Master, I am unhappy with the people in my life. They are unfaithful, inconsiderate. I am not
wanted or appreciated. How can I change them?”
Replied the teacher, “Change yourself.”
The walk down the mystic path is toward self-change. If we reminded ourselves of this a dozen times today, it would not be too much. We have dozens of arrows, like self-study and
persistence, but we shoot them all toward the single target of inner transformation

Reyginus:
MalcolmX, why do you really believe this has to do with individuals? I mean a change of government. How can a change a government stop the hate?

When Solomon was asked by God what one thing he'd wished be granted..
He prayed, “Give me wisdom and knowledge, that I may judge and lead this people properly. This great people of yours?”
This answer pleased God immensely. And because of his propensity to ask for the source of all things, God granted this and many others: “Because this was in your heart, and you have not asked riches or wealth or honor or thefe of your enemies, nor have you asked long life—but have asked wisdom and knowledge for yourself, that you may judge My people over whom I have made you king—” God said He would give Solomon what he had asked, plus what he had not. Not only that, but he would make Solomon greater than his contemporaries or all who had been before him or would follow after him of all of these things— wisdom, riches, wealth and honor."

Reyginus:
Lol. You are still interested in these words and not how they are applied. Help me with this. How does a tribal hater, who believes that tribal hating is intrinsically good because the said tribe is guilty, change his ways?

Why should somebody change for you. What difference does it make to you if he can't change. You change yourself.
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"If you start to think the problem is ‘out there,' stop yourself. That thought is the problem." ~ Stephen Covey