Reyginus:
Yeah. Ghandi's nonviolent approach worked because the people shared a similar ideology and belief. They were Hindus and such method of warfare is accommodated in the religion. But how does a Muslim respond if I decide to do same? How does a traditional worshipper respond too?

I've told you the change you aspire is the morality of the man and not the workability of the state. When your personal values align with mine we can form a nation but when our values are diametrically opposed any change we envision is tied to it. And no matter what we will never agree. Do you understand this?

Even in Igboland, what makes some Igbo think they far above other human beings of the same tribe. How do you resolve the Osu caste system, for example, or as I was told that Igbos from 'Anambra' think other Igbos are beneath them. You're acting as if you're the only one with good attributes while others don't have. The best of us are those who overcome challenges, not those who're desirous of pointing and lamenting them out.

MalcoImX:
Even in Igboland, what makes some Igbo think they far above other human beings of the same tribe. How do you resolve the Osu caste system, for example, or as I was told that Igbos from 'Anambra' think other Igbos are beneath them. You're acting as if you're the only one with good attributes while others don't have. The best of us are those who overcome challenges, not those who're desirous of pointing and lamenting them out.

I hear that too but I'm yet to see an Anambra dude do it to me. I've not had a first hand experience. But then what the tribe, not just the Igbos, share in common is greater than what separates them. It is easier for the Gbagyi man to relate well with his fellow Gbagyis who share a similar belief than they do with a Fulani Muslim with entirely different way of life.

Reyginus:
I hear that too but I'm yet to see an Anambra dude do it to me. I've not had a first hand experience. But then what the tribe, not just the Igbos, share in common is greater than what separates them. It is easier for the Gbagyi man to relate well with his fellow Gbagyis who share a similar belief than they do with a Fulani Muslim with entirely different way of life.

Then if homogeneity is the most valued criteria for nationhood, then Somalia should have been the most stable country on Earth.

MalcoImX:
Then if homogeneity is the most valued criteria for nationhood, then Somalia should have been the most stable country on Earth.

The claim is not true. The stats say different. In a rotten place where there is a completely homogeneous people rebuilding would be less problematic than in a rotten heterogeneous society.

Reyginus:
The claim is not true. The stats say different. In a rotten place where there is a completely homogeneous people rebuilding would be less problematic than in a rotten heterogeneous society.

Then you must accept that homogeneity does not MEAN stability. The FACT of its (Somalia's) instability, for nearly three decades, goes against your assertion. And in what way will Biafra be different from Nigeria with bickering going on between the Igbo and the non-Igbo elements invited to join the union? Or, is the quest to be out of Nigeria and still grapple with whatever Nigeria is grappling with?

MalcoImX:
We are talking of humans who take responsibility for what they put out. His lack of self- control shouldn't be an excuse to commit an abuse. She should seek separation or jail for him. This man you're talking is what you're ready to accept in your Biafra 'republic.' KANU was caught in a hotel with another woman, having left his pregnant wife somewhere. Both the wife-beater and KANU are abusers whose lack of self-awareness disqualifies them from seeking leadership.

Separation?
Thanks a million times.

We seek separation from Nigeria.
We have been killed and abused enough.

MalcoImX:
Even in Igboland, what makes some Igbo think they far above other human beings of the same tribe. How do you resolve the Osu caste system, for example, or as I was told that Igbos from 'Anambra' think other Igbos are beneath them. You're acting as if you're the only one with good attributes while others don't have. The best of us are those who overcome challenges, not those who're desirous of pointing and lamenting them out.

We have shot down the Osu caste system.

In my childhood, we do not intermarry.
The story is different today.

Tell me another story bro,

The killings in the North in the name of Allah, has been since the days of the Terrorist named Usman Dan Fodio,
Nothing has changed.

Do you want one Nigeria?
Then you have a lot of work to do on the Islamic religion and her violence against "infidels".

Reyginus:
I hear that too but I'm yet to see an Anambra dude do it to me. I've not had a first hand experience. But then what the tribe, not just the Igbos, share in common is greater than what separates them. It is easier for the Gbagyi man to relate well with his fellow Gbagyis who share a similar belief than they do with a Fulani Muslim with entirely different way of life.

I am from Anambra.
In the days of the Osu caste, they had their own market as there was no relationship whats ever.

Just this year, 2015, a marriage was enacted in my home town between the so called "freeborns" and "osu".
We still have some people among the older generation resisting, but their they are now in minority.

We have evolved. We have moved on.

MalcoImX:
Then if homogeneity is the most valued criteria for nationhood, then Somalia should have been the most stable country on Earth.

We are not Somalis please.
There are so many other nations that got their independence and are not like Somalia.

I thought you are optimistic by nature?
Why are you being pessimistic her?

MalcoImX:
Then you must accept that homogeneity does not MEAN stability. The FACT of its (Somalia's) instability, for nearly three decades, goes against your assertion. And in what way will Biafra be different from Nigeria with bickering going on between the Igbo and the non-Igbo elements invited to join the union? Or, is the quest to be out of Nigeria and still grapple with whatever Nigeria is grappling with?

It doesn't go against my assertion it's still in support of it. Somolia is not a Homogeneous country. But homogeneity is not the only requirement for peace it is just the strongest. You will also need sensible people at the helm of affairs for it to be put into use.

It is like a football team with wonderful players who understand how the game is played. No matter how good they are they still need a good coach. Now imagine what happens if the players are very bad players, few good players, coupled with a bad coach. Now paint that picture and tell me what you think.

Biafra? Better put, different nations. First is, their unity will not be a fragile one. You don't have to show fear when a Salman writes a book about Islam. Invasion of lands would be treated as trespassing into another republic. Is anything wrong with these three?

noblezone:


I am from Anambra.
In the days of the Osu caste, they had their own market as there was no relationship whats ever.

Just this year, 2015, a marriage was enacted in my home town between the so called "freeborns" and "osu".
We still have some people among the older generation resisting, but their they are now in minority.

We have evolved. We have moved on.

Okay. I'm an Imolite. Personally I'm yet to experience the so-called superiority. The only one I know of is the view some Igbos have for people from Ebonyi.

noblezone:


Separation?
Thanks a million times.

We seek separation from Nigeria.
We have been killed and abused enough.

Your example only goes to say Nigeria is a bad husband. Were your eyes closed when he was courting you? If you want out, even in marriages, there are established processes to follow.

Reyginus:
It doesn't go against my assertion it's still in support of it. Somolia is not a Homogeneous country. But homogeneity is not the only requirement for peace it is just the strongest. You will also need sensible people at the helm of affairs for it to be put into use.

It is like a football team with wonderful players who understand how the game is played. No matter how good they are they still need a good coach. Now imagine what happens if the players are very bad players, few good players, coupled with a bad coach. Now paint that picture and tell me what you think.

Biafra? Better put, different nations. First is, their unity will not be a fragile one. You don't have to show fear when a Salman writes a book about Islam. Invasion of lands would be treated as trespassing into another republic. Is anything wrong with these three?

I've on past occasion insisted on leadership as the problem bedeviling this country. Whether it's 'Biafra', Nigeria or Somalia, this is the curse. That you've admitted reluctantly. I am happy for Nigeria now having a capable steerer. You guys don't want to hear this but your agendas. Biafra looks more like a helpless situation, with unclear boundaries, hostile neighbors, and psychopaths (the (Kanus) as its champions.

MalcoImX:
I've on past occasion insisted on leadership as the problem bedeviling this country. Whether it's 'Biafra', Nigeria or Somalia, this is the curse. That you've admitted reluctantly. I am happy for Nigeria now having a capable steerer. You guys don't want to hear this but your agendas. Biafra looks more like a helpless situation, with unclear boundaries, hostile neighbors, and psychopaths (the (Kanus) as its champions.

You still don't get it. Has Nigeria ever worked? Can Nigeria work? His do we tackle Religion and Tribalism? Don't tell me by starting from us tell me something better.

MalcoImX:
Even in Igboland, what makes some Igbo think they far above other human beings of the same tribe. How do you resolve the Osu caste system, for example, or as I was told that Igbos from 'Anambra' think other Igbos are beneath them. You're acting as if you're the only one with good attributes while others don't have. The best of us are those who overcome challenges, not those who're desirous of pointing and lamenting them out.

I from Enugu but i have always acknowledged that my ppl's achievement is "beneath" that of Anambra ppl, it actualy inspires me to work harder to be like them.

MalcoImX:
I've on past occasion insisted on leadership as the problem bedeviling this country. Whether it's 'Biafra', Nigeria or Somalia, this is the curse. That you've admitted reluctantly. I am happy for Nigeria now having a capable steerer. You guys don't want to hear this but your agendas. Biafra looks more like a helpless situation, with unclear boundaries, hostile neighbors, and psychopaths (the (Kanus) as its champions.

but these should be the least of ur problems as long as u can now enjoy the capable steerer alone

MXrep:

but these should be the least of ur problems as long as u can now enjoy the capable steerer alone

I ain't wailing, you are.

Reyginus:
You still don't get it. Has Nigeria ever worked? Can Nigeria work? His do we tackle Religion and Tribalism? Don't tell me by starting from us tell me something better.

If it hasn't, then by your logic, it will work when the Igbos are out of Nigeria. Another place we differ is, I've never seen those of different religious persuasion or tribe as impeding my or Nigeria's progress. If others are tribal or extreme in their religious views, it speaks more about them than me. The Igbo has to do more to be trusted on those grounds you're projecting to others. You have more trust issues yo resolve than others. Either you look inside to adjust or you continually play the victim-hood.

MXrep:

I from Enugu but i have always acknowledged that my ppl's achievement is "beneath" that of Anambra ppl, it actualy inspires me to work harder to be like them.

Inspiration is different from cultural prejudice. Whatever you achieve won't make you equal to the Anambra man, except if it's not sociocultural.

MalcoImX:
If it hasn't, then by your logic, it will work when the Igbos are out of Nigeria. Another place we differ is, I've never seen those of different religious persuasion or tribe as impeding my or Nigeria's progress. If others are tribal or extreme in their religious views, it speaks more about them than me. The Igbo has to do more to be trusted on those grounds you're projecting to others. You have more trust issues yo resolve than others. Either you look inside to adjust or you continually play the victim-hood.

Lolol. Don't shift the argument to just Igbos. We are still about the meaning of this unusual unity we share. Your interpretation of such logic is not true. The true picture is, by going our various ways like Europe did, there's a greater chance that we would be better people because we share almost everything. Who is playing Victim? Is it me you ate tried to quote or someone else?

MalcoImX:
Inspiration is different from cultural prejudice. Whatever you achieve won't make you equal to the Anambra man, except if it's not sociocultural.

Stop pushing the argument to that of a particular tribe you'd do better without that. I thought we were talking about the country's workability and likely options?

Reyginus:
Stop pushing the argument to that of a particular tribe you'd do better without that. I thought we were talking about the country's workability and likely options?

The sole purpose of the thread is to point out the 'unworkability' of Nigeria and push the Biafra agenda. That's why it has to be pointed out.

Reyginus:
Lolol. Don't shift the argument to just Igbos. We are still about the meaning of this unusual unity we share. Your interpretation of such logic is not true. The true picture is, by going our various ways like Europe did, there's a greater chance that we would be better people because we share almost everything. Who is playing Victim? Is it me you ate tried to quote or someone else?

You cannot with all guarantee insist that disintegration will translate to development. The South Sudan is a case in point. Whichever way, it won't work if people won't make it work.

MalcoImX:
The sole purpose of the thread is to point out the 'unworkability' of Nigeria and push the Biafra agenda. That's why it has to be pointed out.

Why Biafra why not something better? Why just the Igbos why not for the whole? Tell me.

MalcoImX:
You cannot with all guarantee insist that disintegration will translate to development. The South Sudan is a case in point. Whichever way, it won't work if people won't make it work.

Yes, but using South Sudan is being economical with the truth. Why not go to Europe? Slovenia, Ukraine, Croatia.

Reyginus:
Yes, but using South Sudan is being economical with the truth. Why not go to Europe? Slovenia, Ukraine, Croatia.

Examples from Africa will mirror what will become of the Biafran experiment.

MalcoImX:
Examples from Africa will mirror what will become of the Biafran experiment.

ExampleS? Like SS and?

Reyginus:
ExampleS? Like SS and?

If secessionist enclaves are difficult to find, even in Africa, that is thought to be a fragile continent, that goes to tell you it's not the norm and it's a risky enterprise.

MalcoImX:
If secessionist enclaves are difficult to find, even in Africa, that is thought to be a fragile continent, that goes to tell you it's not the norm and it's a risky enterprise.

Lolololol. Come on! That only solidifies Heterogeneity as Africa's reason for failure. I don't know if you get it? If there's been improvement from staying together your statement would have made much sense but it is the other way round. The fact that Eritreans do not have to fight Ethiopians anymore is a good thing.

Reyginus:
Lolololol. Come on! That only solidifies Heterogeneity as Africa's reason for failure. I don't know if you get it? If there's been improvement from staying together your statement would have made much sense but it is the other way round. The fact that Eritreans do not have to fight Ethiopians anymore is a good thing.

Eritrea, your case study is multiethnic, with single tribe making up over 50%. If you consider it a success, could we then consider it as a success of heterogeneity. Biafra is recipe for disaster. It is more heterogeneous in its present IPOB composition. Worse is I heard a part of Northern Nigeria (the Kogi Igala) is annexed as IPOB territory. Nn Nigeria won't relinquish an inch of territory.

MalcoImX:
Eritrea, your case study is multiethnic, with single tribe making up over 50%. If you consider it a success, could we then consider it as a success of heterogeneity. Biafra is recipe for disaster. It is more heterogeneous in its present IPOB composition. Worse is I heard a part of Northern Nigeria (the Kogi Igala) is annexed as IPOB territory. Nn Nigeria won't relinquish an inch of territory.

No, I'm not saying Eritrea is a success after gaining independent from Ethiopia but saying that an evil was eliminated. The evil of killing one another and fighting senseless wars was drastically reduced. And you are still talking about Biafra?

To begin with, Biafra is flawed. The tribes that are to be a part of it must first agree they want to be a part of it. You don't collate people into whatever thing you believe without asking their consent. Imagine what would have happened if the Igala had a country of theirs and the sane thing with the Igburas.

So tell me in the light of the above, is your argument still the same?