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mistypiper:
I'm not disobeying , it doesn't sound like a command in my quran. All my life I've never participated in any form of Jihad and not planning to do so.

As a muslim if you choose to fight it has to be for good cause and not blowing people up. I don't in anyway support violence or terrorism. The attached verse did not say I command you.

Common sense and religion equals to Peace.

shahydbinaliyu:
may Allah never forgive you.. may all HIS prophet never forgive you.. there's no difference between you and the jews that hate and wanna kill Jesus.. according to original bible, read..




Gospel of John chapter 1
Reading and Interpretation by Vic Alexander
From the Ancient Aramaic Scriptures
Youkhanna
John 1
1. In the beginning [of creation] there was the Milta*; and that Milta* was with Allaha; and Allaha was [the embodiment of] that Milta.* 2. This was in the beginning with Allaha. 3. Everything was within his power*, [otherwise] nothing would ever exist.* 4. Through him [there] was Life* and Life became the spark* of humanity 5. And that [ensuing] fire* lights the darkness and darkness does not overshadow it.
6. There was a man sent by Allaha, his name [was] John [the Baptist.] 7. He came for that testimony, to testify [concerning] the light, so that every human [being] may [come] to believe by his [testimony*.] 8. He was not the light, except that he was to testify [concerning] it*.
9. There was the light of the truth, that which lights everyone who is born*.
10. He was with the people* and the people [came into being] by his hand* and the people did not know Him. 11. He came to his own and his own did not receive him.
12. But all those who did receive him, He assigned them to be children* of Allaha, [to them] who believed in his name; 13. They who [did not become so] through blood, nor through the desire* of the flesh and neither through a man's willpower*; except they became born [so] from Allaha.
14. And the Manifestation became flesh and made his dwelling amongst us, and we saw His glory, glory as [that] uniquely [of the nature] of the Creator, Full of grace and blessing.
15. John [the Baptist ] testified to him and cried out, saying, “This is the one [of whom] they said, 'The one who comes after me And yet is ahead of me, because he arrived first.’“
16. And because of his abundant [grace] we have all been fulfilled, Blessing upon blessing.* 17. The Law came to us by the hand of Moses. [But] the truth and grace was through Eashoa the Messiah. 18. No human [being] ever saw Allaha, except for the only born Allaha, He who existed in the bosom of his Father, [Who] proclaimed* Him.
19. And this is the testimony of John [the Baptist,] as Jews of Jerusalem sent high priests and Levites, to ask him, “Who are you?” 20. And he informed them, and did not deny it, saying*, “I am not the Anointed One*.” 21. And they asked him, “Then what, are you Elijah?” And he said, “I am not.” Are you a prophet?” And he answered, “No.” 22. And they said to him, “Who are you? So we can give an answer to those who sent us. What do you say about yourself?” 23. He said, “‘I am the voice that cries in the wilderness, lay out the path [for] Maryah' as Isaiah the prophet proclaimed.”
24. And the ones who were sent were from the Pharisees. 25. And they asked him, saying (to him,) “Why then do you baptize, if you are not the Anointed One, nor Elijah, nor a prophet?” 26. [Then] John answered them, saying, “I am baptizing with water*, but amongst you stands one whom you do not know, 27. “He who comes after me, whose shoe laces I am not worthy of untying.” 28. These [events] occurred in Bethany, by the other side of [the] Jordan [river,] where John was baptizing. 29. And the following day John saw Eashoa approaching him, and he said, “Behold the Lamb of Allaha, who takes away the sin of the universe. 30. “This is the one of whom I said, 'After me comes a man* who [goes] before me, for he was [always] ahead of me.' 31. “And I would not know him, except that he was to be known to Israel, [and] because of this came I baptizing with water*.” 32. And [thus] testified John and said, “You shall see the Holy Spirit like a dove nestling upon him. 33. “And I would not have known him, except for the [one who] sent me to baptize with the waters, the one who told me, 'Whoever you see upon whom the nestling Spirit holding firmly, he shall baptize with the Holy Spirit.' 34. “And I saw and am testifying that he is the Son of Allaha.”
35. And on the second day [there] stood John with two of his disciples. 36. And he gazed upon Eashoa as he walked, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of Allaha!” 37. And both his disciples heard it* and they followed Eashoa. 38. And Eashoa turned and saw them coming after him, and he said to them, “What do you want?” They said to him, “[Our] Master*, where do you reside*?” 39. He said to them, “Come on and see [for yourselves.]” And they went and saw where he was, and they remained with him that day--and it was the tenth hour. 40. But one of the two who had heard it from John and had followed him, was Andrew, the brother of Simon. 41. He first found his brother Simon, and he said to him, “We have found the Anointed One!” 42. And he brought them to Eashoa. Eashoa gazed at [Simon] and said, “You are Simon, the son of the dove*, you shall be called Keepa*.”
43. On the following day, it pleased Eashoa to go to Galilee, and he found Philip, and he said to him, “Follow me.” 44. But Philip was from Bethsaida, from the town of Andrew and Simon. 45. Philip found Nathaniel and said to him, “The one of whom wrote Moses in the Law and the prophets, we have found him, [he is] Eashoa, the son of Joseph, from Nazareth;” 46. [But] Nathaniel said to him, “From Nazareth, is it possible anything good can [come out] of there?” Philip said to him, “Come and see.” 47. Eashoa saw Nathaniel approaching him, and he said to him, “Behold a true son of Israel, in whom there is no duplicity!” 48. And Nathaniel said to him, “From when did you know me?” Eashoa answered him, saying, “I knew you before Philip called you, as I saw you [sitting] under the fig tree.” 49. [And] Nathaniel replied, saying, “Master, you are the Son of Allaha! You are the King of Israel!” 50. Eashoa replied and said to him, “Because I told you that I saw you under the fig tree, do you believe? You shall see a great [deal] more than these!” 51. He said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, from now on you shall see the heaven [that I have] opened and the angels of Allaha as they ascend and descend to the Son of Man.*”
Footnotes: 1:1 [all instances] Literal Aramaic word retained: “Manifestation.” “Milta” or “Miltha” is an Aramaic word that has been set aside for only sacred use. Only the Messiah Eashoa is ever to be called the Milta. Grammatically, “Milta” means the essential connotation for a person or thing. There is no true English language equivalent for this word. -- 1:3 Literal Aramaic [Aramaic]: “[In his] hand.” -- 1:4. 1 “And without his hand, not one [thing that] became would have become.” -- 1:4. 2 “Lives,” whenever it represents: “life everlasting” is stated in the plural. When used in this sense it will always be capitalized in this translation and appear as “Life.” -- 1:4. 3 “Light.” -- 1:5 “Light.” -- 1:7 “Hand.” -- 1:8 “The light.” -- 1:9. 1 “Gives Life to.” -- 1:9. 2 “Comes to [people, or] the universe.” -- 1:10. 1 “The universe.” -- 1:10. 2 Aramaic expression: He created them. -- 1:12 “Sons of Allaha.” -- 1:13. 1 “Will.” -- 1:13. 2 Literal expression: “Through satisfaction of man [or power of maturity.]” -- 1:16 Literal expression: “And from his fullness we have all been satisfied, grace in place of grace.” -- 1:18 “Spoke of.” -- 1:20. 1 “Informing.” -- 1:20. 2 The Messiah. -- 1:26 “Waters.” -- 1:30 “Mighty [man.]” -- 1:31 “Waters.” -- 1:37 “As they heard.” -- 1:38. 1 “Rabban.” -- 1:38. 2 Literal expression: “Where dwell you?” -- 1:42. 1 Literal The Holy Spirit. -- 1:42. 2 Aramaic name retained: “Rock,” which is Anglicized as “Peter.” -- 1:51 “Bar-nasha,” is a theological concept when used in this construction. Sometimes it means: “humanity,” other times: “a human being.”





Jesus called God Allaha.. Allaha and Allah are same. since you have foolishly insulted your creator.. I pray HE never forgives you

mistypiper:
Do not ‘essentialise’ religion. Gandhi’s Gita and Azad’s Quran do not say the same thing as the Gita of Nathuram Godse and the Quran of Osama bin Laden.

http://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/islam-for-peace-or-violence/

mistypiper:
Islam is a religion of peace. Because i stand for peace and I'm a muslim.

mistypiper:
Muslims are not terrorist.

Best thing to do is not to engage them.

Ifeann:
that's how muslim "refute" evidence showing how evil mohammed was.

The big mistake Muslims did was to translate the quran and hadiths to English.

malvisguy212:
It took only a few hours, but it was
enough time for hundreds of radical
Muslims in Niger, West Africa, to destroy
dozens of churches and several Christian
homes. Ten people lost their lives and
hundreds were injured when Muslim
mobs went on the deadly rampage in
early January.
Now, three months later, Christians living
there are moving forward, determined to
still preach the Gospel despite the
dangers.
CBN News has obtained exclusive, never-
seen-before video of dozens of these
angry Muslims attacking, then burning
Pastor Musa Issa's church.
"They took pews, Bibles, chairs and
sound equipment then set them on fire,"
Issa, pastor of Bethel Horizon Church in
Niamey the capital city, said. "They did
this while chanting, 'Allahu Akbar!' I felt
so sad. I started to cry."
WRESTLING AGAINST PRINCIPALITIES;
The cell phone video also shows the
crowd beating a member of Issa's church.
"I feel horrible when I watch the video. I
ask myself 'Why'? Why did they do this to
us? What did we do to deserve this?'"
Issa said.
It happened January 17, just 10 days
after two Muslim terrorists stormed the
offices of French magazine Charlie
Hebdo, executing 12 people for
publishing satirical images of the Islam's
Prophet Mohammed.
About 3,600 miles away in Niger,
Muslims, angered by the cartoons,
attacked the country's Christians in
revenge.
"We spent years building the church,"
Issa told CBN News while standing in the
ruins of his church. "Within minutes it
was all gone!"
And it wasn't just Pastor Issa's church.
Mobs also destroyed Boureima Kimso's
church.
"SIXTY-NINE CHURCHES and 11 homes were
destroyed. That's a total of 80 Christian
buildings within a few hours," Kimso
said.
Kimso, head of the Alliance of the
Evangelical Churches in Niger, says the
viciousness of the attacks shocked the
Christian community.
In Zinder, Niger's second largest city,
attackers burned all but one church to
the ground. And in the capital city
Niamey, 45 churches were destroyed,
including Pastor Kimso's.
"Absolutely, it was premeditated," Kimso
said. "It was organized. It was shocking
because systematically in a few hours
churches were targeted and houses
attacked, so it means that someone
organized and executed this plan."
Three months later, the government of
Niger has still not arrested anyone in
connection with the attacks.
"I tell our brothers and sisters that we
don't wrestle against flesh and blood but
against principalities," said Kimso. "We
have to encourage ourselves because
persecution is part of the life of the
Church. There is no church that existed
without persecution."
In addition to destroying several
churches, the rioters also targeted
Christian schools.
CBN News visited one such school on the
outskirts of Niger's capital city. The school
was home to some 240 students, the
majority of whom were Muslim.
As the Muslim mob ransacked each
classroom, they left behind this message
on each blackboard: "There is no God but
God and the Prophet Mohammed is his
messenger."
RELIGION OF PEACE;
One of the teachers, David Bye, now
helps oversee rebuilding efforts.
"I think this message on the blackboard
they are trying to tell us (Christians) that
we really don't belong here. This is a
Muslim area and they want to keep it
pure for them. They don't want any
Christians here," Bye said.
It's an accusation Muslim leaders flatly
deny.
"Islam is a religion of tolerance and
peace," Boubacar Seydou, of the Islamic
Association of Niger, said. "In Islam, we
are not familiar with such acts of
violence!"
Seydou is also key leader at Niger's
largest mosque. He allowed CBN News to
attend and document Friday prayers.
In his first television interview since the
attacks, Seydou denied that Muslims
were involved in the attacks.
"Muslims did not take part in these
attacks. Sure, there were many Muslims
protesting the cartoons, but no one
pushed them to attack churches. I'm sure
if we arrested some of those involved in
the church burnings you'd discover that
in fact Christians were among those
taking part in the violence!" Seydou said.
Pastor Zakaria Jadi, whose church and
home were among those destroyed, says
it is ludicrous to claim Christians were
involved.
"The mob kept chanting over and over in
Arabic 'God is great!' God is great' as they
robbed and burned my home. I've lived
with Muslims all my life. I know a Muslim
when he stands in front of me!" Jadi said.
The Nigerien government is in
negotiations with members of the
Christian community to try and figure out
how on earth they are going to rebuild all
these churches. In the meantime, with so
many churches still destroyed, many
Christians are gathering in the shadows
of their burned out churches.
FORGIVENESS;
Pastor Jadi's wife Ruth, holding her
burned Bible, has forgiven the men who
committed this atrocity.
"My prayer is that they would come to
know Jesus and that the Lord would
touch them even in a dream. I want God
to do to them what He did to Paul the
Apostle when he persecuted Christians.
God touched him on his way to
Damascus. I want those men to
experience the same touch from God!"
That is Pastor Issa's prayer, too. Today he
spends time developing closer
friendships with several of his Muslim
neighbors who actually fought back as
the mob destroyed the church and his
home.
"When the first and second wave of
rioters came, some of my Muslim
neighbors stood in front of the church.
But as more rioters attacked with
deadlier weapons, it become too
dangerous - so I told them to let them
in," Issa said.
Pastor Jadi says the threats have not
subsided, but he's alright with that. He
believes God is preparing Christians in
Niger for great times of revival.
"The Lord is training us; He's building us.
There cannot be increase without
hardships. If you want to go to the next
level you have to go through hardship,"
Jadi said.

http://www.charismanews.com/world/49276-these-christians-forgave-an-unthinkable-muslim-act-of-violence

Ifeann:
Israel has my support any day tho I don't support everything they do.

They are incredibly clever , a blessing on earth and are truly Gods chosen people.

Everyday I see the Jewish country in the very heart of the muslim world I smile and am glad. Centuries of Hatred by Muslims and even some misguided Christians etc have not defeated them.

In the near future I will start donating to Israeli charities.

malvisguy212:
The Qur’an claims to be the eternal
Revelation of God. If true, how can an
eternal Book of Allah have such time-
bound revelations in it? The Qur’an itself admits that some of its verses were abrogated and replaced by others
verses.

To abrogate means to abolish, annul,
rescind, repeal or revoke. The Qur’an is
the only religious book that abrogates its own teachings. The concept of abrogation in the Qur’an is that Allah reveals a verse in the Qur’an that invalidates an earlier verse in the same Qur’an. This may lead to numerous difficulties for the readers of the Qur’an. In fact, it raises many questions. For example:

1. How can a Muslim know what is
abrogated and what is not?
2. Since the abrogated verses still exist
in the Qur’an, what is the use of
these abrogated verses for Muslims
now?
3. Would not this pose a problem for
the ordinary readers of the Qur’an to
verify what is abrogated and what is
not?
4. How would an average Muslim know
what is abrogated and what is not,
when even scholar disagree among
themselves as to the numbers of
verses that are abrogated?

However, if the Qur’an is the genuine
Word of God, then the commandments
written in it must by no means be
abrogated. Its contents must remain
intact and its messages unchanged. And
amazingly Allah agrees:

Surah 6:115: “The word of your Lord
is complete, in truth and justice.
Nothing shall abrogate His words.
He is the Hearer, the
Omniscient.” (Khalifa)
In other word, nothing can change is word. However, note the contradiction in Surah 2:106:

“Whatever verse we shall abrogate,
or cause (thee) to forget, we will
bring a better one than it, or one
like unto it. Dost thou not know that
God is almighty?” (Sale)

The concept of “abrogation” in the
Qur’an is that Allah reveals a latter verse that both supersedes and annuls an earlier verse in the same Qur’an.
Abrogation means to annul or cancel
something with appropriate or legal
authority. In this case, the authority is
none other than Allah himself. Surah
2:106 is central to the doctrine of
abrogation that is taught in Islam. Why
does an all-wise God need to reveal
“better” or “similar” verses to replace
verses that he had inspired only a few
years or even days earlier? Surah 2:106
is clearly making the claim that Allah will change and cause the older verses to be forgotten by revealing better verses or verses similar in kind. To emphasize the point, Allah states that he has power over all things.

The quran is disorderly chronological arrange One example of the disorderly chronology is that Surahs 2:193, 2:216 and 2:217 were revealed at the beginning of Muhammad’s arrival in
Medina. And it took another six years to
reveal Surahs 2:190, 2:191 and 2:192. Yet Surah 2:193 (which was revealed six
years earlier) was inserted to follow
Surah 2:192. How could it then be known which contradicting verses were the more authoritative? Without context and chronology, the “abrogated” and
“abrogator” verses render the entire
Qur’an irrelevant. For example, if one
verse encourages slavery and another
condemns it, which is to be believed and followed?
Truly there is a lot of questions we need to ask, the quran is not the word of God.

IwillLaff:
+

tartar9:
and yet again,yours is the miracle ours is the magic,did Balaam also command the donkey to speak?do you even know what magic is?can you tell me what charms, spells, or rituals He(SAW) did for you to decide it was magic.
" And if they see a miracle they turn aside
and say: Transient magic.
They have denied
the truth and followed their whims and desires,
but everything has its time."(Qur'an, 54:2-3)

truthman2012:
These muslim guys don't know the difference between a miracle and magic.

Allah himself confirm Muhammad was not given the power for miracle, then where did he get the power for it?

Quran 13: 07
“And the Unbelievers say: "Why
is not a sign sent down to him
from his Lord?" But thou art
truly a warner, and to every
people a guide.”

Allah said he was only a warner and not a miracle worker. Does a warner kill for people not heeding his warning?

Quran 3: 138
They (also) said: "Allah took our
promise not to believe in an
messenger unless He showed us a
sacrifice consumed by Fire (From
heaven)." Say: "There came to
you messengers before me, with
clear Signs and even with what ye
ask for: why then did ye slay
them, if ye speak the truth?" if
you are truthful?

Hear what he said in the above verse because he couldn't perform miracles.

Therefore, what tartar9 said are miracles are not but mere hallucinations.

yazach:
But since you agreed you don't know much about your own religion, why are you displaying the shame on the internet

here is a verse in the book you believe that says trees speaks but you are denying it here. i will try to analyze it in your way

the trees went forth to anoint a king over them,
Trees anoint = hallucination by malvis

and they said to the olive tree, ‘Reign over us!’
tree speaks in the bible, a christian(malvis) said it is hallucination

9“But the olive tree said to them, ‘Shall I leave my fatness with which God and men are honored and go to wave over the trees?’ ,
through fatness of a tree, God and Men are honored = blasphemy

10“Then the trees said to the fig tree, ‘You come, reign over us!’ 11“But the fig tree said to them, ‘Shall I leave my sweetness and my good fruit, and go to wave over the trees?’

12“Then the trees said to the vine, ‘You come, reign over us!’ 13“But the vine said to them, ‘Shall I leave my new wine, which cheers God and men, and go to wave over the trees?’
when God is unhappy, he drinks wine of vine = blasphemy,stupidity, idiocy etc

14“Finally all the trees said to the bramble, ‘You come, reign over us!’
trees have kings = hallucination by malvis

@malvisguy212, hope you now know your problem
Let me help you: your problem is IGNORANCE OF THE HIGHEST ORDER

yazach:
Some Muslims like empiree, tartar, rilwain and other muslims claimed that you have little knowledge about your religion and the bible, please don't tell me what you stated above is a clear cut testimony to their claim

tartar9:
so if its yours,its a miracle,if its ours you call it hallucination.if yours saw Hell,its a vision but ours,thats when you start having problems with it smh.I don't even expect you to believe them,but trying to say they are impossible,is where the problem lies.

tartar9:
so if its yours,its a miracle,if its ours you call it hallucination.if yours saw Hell,its a vision but ours,thats when you start having problems with it smh.I don't even expect you to believe them,but trying to say they are impossible,is where the problem lies.

tartar9:
what are you trying to say that it has never been explained or that it hads been explained numerous times before but your feeble minds where too clouded by bigotry to entertain the thought of accepting defeat so it simply chose not to understand.

tartar9:
and you need to have a mouth in order to produce sound ,something ordinary humans have done your god can't do.

tartar9:
"And say
not, Trinity. Desist, it is better for you. Allah is
only one God. Far be it from His glory to have a
son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens
and whatever is in the earth. And sufficient is
Allah as having charge of affairs"(4:171)

Unbias:
Muhammad was always the only witness in Islam. The only one Allah revealed the quran to through Jubril for many years. The only one who can tell us the inspiration that produced the quran.

Empiree:
Interesting!

Several attempts were made by Western Judeo/Christians terrorists in conjunction with Nigerian and African pastors to 'bury' Islam in Africa in the 90s. But mission failed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywkXoc2ai94

tartar9:
if that's too big a thing for your god to do,its not for mine.at least it didn't make 1+1+1=1

tartar9:
yea,except with talking donkeys

tartar9:
explaining to you i have no such time to waste my last reply is enough.

tartar9:
what about the rest,there are other such hadiths of stones and inaminate objects saluting him that were witnessed by others.and how is the patients abdomen telling a lie literal dont you understand what that simply means,the Hell and the rest may not even be literal even if they all literally happened,what's so impossible there for God.