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dalaman:
Just provide incontrovertible evidence that only one God created the universe as opposed to many God. Stop speaking long English.

dalaman:
You still haven't made a very clear case for the universe being the product of a single entity as opposed to many different entities all working together to achieve a common goal as we humans do.

Naital:
@bold.

Wrong!

There are more than three dimensions in the observable universe.

9jaforlife:

Pls read that nonsense above once more...

Your first sentence says "Forgiveness [size=16pt] IS [/size] in the nature of God"

Then, the second one says "it's NOT in the nature of God to ignore/forgive even LITTLE sins"

Abeg, which school did you attend??

Go back and claim all your fees!




To listen to more of this cow dung? Bigotry is a disease!!

plaetton:
Lol.
You have already made these fallacious sunday school arguments many times before.

Maybe if you repeat them more often, then by dint of faith, they may become your own truth.

However, by repeating these lame, logically inconsistent pseudo arguments, you seem to be desperately seeking for a REASON to believe in the existence of god.

malvisguy212:
see, if you study and pay close attention to the word of Jesus, whenever Jesus quote from the scripture(old testament law ) He claimed to have fulfilled it example , the mosaic law say thou shall not kill but in the new testament Jesus say DON'T even hate your brother, hatred result to killing, am I right?yes!!
In the old testament the mosaic law say "thou shall not commit adultery" but in the new covenant Jesus say DON'T even look at a woman with lust, if you look at a married woman with lust it will tempt you to commit an evil ACTS, am I right?
So as a christian, all what you have to do is to obey the commandment which Jesus fulfilled which is in the new testament. For better understanding of the teaching of Jesus, this OLD law (mosaic law) must exist in the bible.

plaetton:
If there is evidence, then why are we having this debate?
Can we see the evidence once and for all, or is it the smoke and mirror type that sunday scholars like you constantly pull out of your behind?

dalaman:
Which specific God out of the many, and how can we know it?

9jaforlife:
[size=14pt] Liar! They gave you ample, straight forward answers. I think the problem is that you lack the ability to comprehend.

In U.dasto's thread alone, he mentioned atonement through-

Observing prompt and regular prayers, especially in congregation, which is many times better than prayers offered in solitary

Performing Hajj (or Umrah), which cleanses man of all sins

Fasting in the month of Ramadan

Reciting the holy Quran

Doing voluntary good deeds for which you have no punishment (for) not doing it

Directly asking for forgiveness of your sins with sincere intention and determination not to return to such sin

Very simple answers!! [/size]






[size=14pt] Yes, He will. If you avoid grave, forbidden sins and your good deeds outweigh your minor sins, Allah promised forgiveness.


The gravest of such sins is 'shirk' (associating partners with Allah), which is the only unforgivable sin in Islam.

Other major sins include murder, fornication and adultery, stealing, taking false oath, etc.

It's very funny you say that forgiveness is against the nature of holiness in God. But you think it's ok that god-daddy killed god-baby and used his blood to wash off the sins of christians who died since centuries ago and those yet unborn Weirdos!!


Again, well done for cunningly dodging my question with yet another thrash!
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9jaforlife:
Malvis, you have moved from robotic nonsense to professional lying

That thread generated 4pages, full of explanation from Muslims on your question. Yet, you're here singing your national anthem about Muslims not answering your question

Udasto even created this thread below, solely to answer your question...

https://www.nairaland.com/2305790/sin-forgiveness-islam#33603302

Well done, for cunningly dodging my question with this thrash!

johnydon22:
Lol. . . Dude above me, don't know what else to say... frank317 fire on, teach the young man some hard truths ...

vedaxcool:
Feel sorry for u, advise, calm down take a shower and gently read the op rathhrr than embarrassing yourself belligerently.

elantraceey:
2 Corinthians 8:9

For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus
Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for
your sakes he became poor, that ye
through his poverty might be rich.

3 John 2
Beloved, I wish above all things that thou
mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy
soul prospereth.

1 timothy 6:17
Charge them that are rich in this world,
that they be not highminded, nor trust in
uncertain riches, but in the living God,
who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;

Romans 8:32

He that spared not his own Son, but
delivered him up for us all, how shall he
not with him also freely give us all
things?

These are just to mention a few.

finofaya:
. Why you dey fall hand?

frank317:
If God exist... Do we need to find him? You are talking about the creator here. If God exists there will be no doubt of his existence in the heart of anybody and there will be no need for religion to reach him. We will just know and his existence will be as normal as the existence of my best friend.

The fact that you are here trying to convince us he exists makes the existence of the Almighty creator a tricky one

finofaya:
Agnostics, like many other people, have indeed said that God has no interest in us, if it exists. This is a secondary claim, and you can only properly deal with it after you have established that there is a knowable God. You can't know that God is interested in you if you don't know what God is.

Do you have an explanation of "uncaused" that makes it possible for man to know what happened outside time?

Yes, the Bible says God exists everywhere, by default. The issue is, when you are faced with an entity claiming to be God, how do you check for or confirm its omnipresence?

I'll just ignore the Bible quotes.

9jaforlife:




So, Christians don't break their tri-god's moral laws

They break all known laws in the buyboo- they eat swine, commit fornication and adultery, steal, lie (as you're doing right now)............. You name it, they do it!



The bold part is the point. Irrespective of religion, it's impossible for man to be free of sin, hence, judgement is based on measurement.

Allah is All-Knowing, this doesn't mean He will give a man the chance to be a good AND bad person at the same time- this is impossible. The soul naturally tends to one direction, either good or evil.

So, since you're criticizing Allah for accepting higher good/lower sin, tell me, HOW will the tri-god judge christians?? Or, he expects you to NEVER commit a single sin? Or, are you automatically condemned to hell if you sin?



You're terribly confused regarding the underlined.

In Islam, actions are judged according to intentions. If you do evil on purpose, with the intention that you will do good to neutralize it, that good action is void, your intention has invalidated it.

Allah does NOT encourage evil in any way, rather, He only gives hope of redemption to the sinners. He is Al-Ghaffur- The Most Forgiving

This is surprising, coming from a follower of a tri-god, who killed his son, used the blood of this one son to cleanse the sins of billions? What a terrible way to do justice!!

finofaya:
You missed the mark everywhere, tbh. I can only address the first two paragraphs however, which fortunately contain the major errors.

The agnostic claim that God cannot be known borders on the means through which we can obtain knowledge of God. You didn't address that in your OP. You focused instead on asking why God wouldn't want to reveal himself. Skirting past the fact that you left your questions unanswered, I'm happy to point out that the agnostic claim is not affected by any supposed desire by God to reveal himself. Imagine that God is by definition invisible. Would any degree of longing on his part make us able to see him?

There is the over arching agnostic claim that it is impossible to have certainty, given that we can only attempt to confirm one subjective experience by another subjective experience.

There is also the claim that involves that nature of the alleged God. For this, we have to define "God". Being a christian, I guess your definition of "God" is an uncaused, eternal, transcendent, infinite, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, omnibenevolent entity (among other attributes). To know that such a God exists, you have to know that it has each of those attributes, since you can't claim to know such a God if you're not sure it has all of those attributes. Let's then try to see how we can know if it has some of these attributes.

God is uncaused. In order to know that something has no cause, you have to somehow be able to observe that no events have taken place before the thing or that it could not have been the result of any event before it. It may be a failure of imagination on my part, but I don't see how you can obtain that kind of information.

God is infinite. You cannot know that an actual thing is infinite, since you will forever be on your way to finding out.

God is omnipotent. You might observe a demonstration of super human power, but you could not observe power over everything since you don't even know what constitutes "everything", to begin with.

God is omniscient. Unless you are omniscient yourself, you could not even guess, with any respectable accuracy, where any supposed limit to what God knows would lie.

God is omnipresent. You have to be everywhere and meet God all over the place to make this claim.

God is omnibenevolent. Cue omnipotence paradox.

What it boils down to is that we have limited knowledge and we can't purport to know that a being has attributes of a scope which is beyond the limits of our knowledge. Christians sometimes acknowledge this when they say that it is impossible to know or understand the extent of God, or when they speak of faith.

Given that it is these things which constitute the "extent" of God that also make up his essence (if he had them to a normal extent he wouldn't be God), I think it is not possible to know God if you cannot know or understand his extent.

Demmzy15:
What's surprising is that Arab Christians call 'God' Allah, the Arabic Bible calls 'God' Allah! Ignorance is a disease!

urheme:
What faith does abraham have

One who pregnated his maid and could not take responsibility for it.

And solomon found faith in wemen,s lap ashawo kobo kobo. The only wisdon he has was to write his folishness down to teach us a lesson, so, i give him that.

Faith is evidence of things not seen but hoped for.

In those days they saw physical evidence of God as they claimed, so what faith are you refering

theAtheist101:
Okay, then he/she should at least fix the messes he started. Everyone would fall in line thereafter. But, he wouldn't because he/she hates responsibility.

urheme:
Abraham, elijah, moses, noah, david, solomon and many more did not have jesus the christ,

I ges there are many more ways