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Rilwayne001:
No.
What is it?

are you a satanist now?

EzioAuditore:
Only confirming what I've always known to be the destiny of most christians. Malvisguy212 truthman2012 and co. Have a glimpse of your future.

I have seen Jesus, two times in my dream, He called me by my name, and He say he love me, I am God child. I know you will not believe me, I will NEVER used the name of my Lord lie.muslims don't see vision, even muhammed did not talk to God directly.
Who is muhammed witness? Give me proved from the quran.

POPdecorator:
yes he's a messenger to all mankind




angel were send to prophect while prophect were send to human kind


or angel sent to mankind in ur buybull?

nonsense, why did God send Gabriel to Mary and not prophet? Did God send angel to Abraham? The reason you make this comment is because muhammed never directly talk to Allah, he only here the message true angel.

In the bible,all the prophet, God directly talk to them without sending angel.

talkingtruth:
Good!
Educative!
Faith stimulating!
God bless you.

God bless you too.

There has been times in my life when
I have been up and down, times when prayer seems to come easy, and times when prayer doesn't come easy at all. There is something, I think, in man that makes it hard to pray, but what is it? Why should anyone have difficulty in praying?

Is it because we think that God will not hear us? That's a possibility. I've heard people speak about getting on their knees to pray and having the feeling that their prayers were bouncing off the ceiling, going no higher than the ceiling, that nobody was hearing it but them. They don't think God is actually hearing what they are saying.

They may feel that way because they
feel unworthy, or because they feel God is down on them. They may feel that God has somehow shut them up and won't listen to them.

Is it because we don't think it will change anything? And if that's the case, is it because we just don't believe? Or that we believe that God is going to do what He's going to do regardless of what we ask? “What's the point in praying about this? I'm going to pray and I'm going to ask God to do this, but God already knows what's best, and He's going to do what's best, and I'm going to say 'Thy will be done,' and what's the
point in asking because His will is going to be done anyway?” Maybe we don't pray a lot because we think it isn't going to change anything. God will just do what he's going to do whether we ask Him to do it or not.

SOLUTION;
Luke 11:1-2, "And it came to pass,
that, as he was praying in a
certain place, when he ceased,
one of his disciples said unto
him, Lord, teach us to pray, as
John also taught his disciples.
And he said unto them, When ye
pray, say…"

Now, most people can, without reading their bible, can site what Jesus said about how you are to pray. So, Jesus gives what is called “the Lord's Prayer,” but he continues, he's NOT THROUGH TEACHING THEM HOW TO PRAY! The “Lord's Prayer” is not all he said in response to the question, “Lord, teach us to pray.”the Lord prayer was just like an idea on what to say when praying , the next verse gives us the right attitude;continue;

Luke 11:5-7, "And he said unto them, Which of you shall have a friend, and shall go unto him at midnight, and say unto him, Friend, lend me three loaves; For a friend of mine in his journey is
come to me, and I have nothing to set before him? And he from within shall answer and say, Trouble me not: the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed; I cannot rise and give
thee."

"Jesus' listeners would have considered the response of the man who was in bed absolutely unconscionable"

Luke 11:8, "I say unto you, Though he will not rise and give him, because he is his friend, yet BECAUSE OF HIS IMPORTUNITY he will rise and give him as many as he needeth."

What's going on here? Well the man's
not going to go away! He's going to
stay down there; he's going to keep
on knocking on the door. He's going to
say, “get up and get me some bread!
I'm not going to let you sleep until you get up and come out here and give me three loaves of bread.

The word for “importunity” in the Greek literally means “SHAMLESNESS.” Without shame. I think that's absolutely fascinating, because a modest man would say, “Gee. I asked and he didn't give me any bread. Well, I guess I better go away now because I must be causing
him a lot of inconvenience.” No, he is
shameless!

THERE ARE THREE EXAMPLES OF IMPORTUNITY;
EXAMPLE ONE
Luke 18:1-8, "And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray, and not to faint; Saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man: And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary. And he would not for
a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man; YET BECAUSE THIS WIDOW TROUBLETH ME,I WILL AVENGE HER,LEST BY HER CONTINUE COMING SHE WEARY ME. And the Lord said,
Hear what the unjust judge saith. And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them? I tell you that he will avenge them speedily."


Here is a judge that was fearless, and
would not avenge this widow's
adversary. But she kept asking him
OVER and OVER and the judge finally
gave in to her requests, lest she
weary him by her continual coming.

EXAMPLE TWO:
Luke 18:35-39, "And it came to pass, that as he was come nigh unto Jericho, a certain blind man sat by the way side begging: And hearing the multitude pass by, he asked what it meant. And
they told him, that Jesus of Nazareth passeth by. And he cried, saying, Jesus, thou Son of David, have mercy on me. And they which went before REBUKE
HIM, that he should HOLD his peace…"

They rebuked him. They told him to
shut up and be quiet! To stay out of
the way.BUT

Luke 18:39, "...but he cried so much the more, Thou Son of David, have mercy on me."

What happens to this man if he shuts
up? He's not healed. Yet, there were
people there who were trying to talk
him out of it, telling him to hush. He
didn't hush, he kept yelling. He cried
out!

Luke 18:40-43, "And Jesus stood, and commanded him to be brought unto him: and when he was come near, he asked him, Saying, What wilt thou that I
shall do unto thee? And he said, Lord, that I may receive my sight. And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: THY FAITH HATH SAVED THEE. And immediately he received his sight, and followed
him, glorifying God: and all the people, when they saw it, gave praise unto God."

What's faith? Is it a feeling? Is it a
mood? An emotion? Faith is a
persistence, a boldness. It was his
boldness and persistence that got this
man his eyesight. It's not a mood, it's
not a feeling. Think about it. Jesus
said his bold, persistent, aggressive
faith has saved him!

EXAMPLE THREE:
Matthew 15:22, "And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my
daughter is grievously vexed with a devil."

This is a Gentile woman, and Jesus
did not answer her a word. Didn't say
a thing to her, just ignored her! Actually, strange women weren't supposed to be talking to strange men like this. Jesus' manners may seem rude to you, but they were the norm for this time.

Matthew 15:23-26, "But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, SEND HER AWAY; FOR SHE CRIETH AFTER US. But he answered and said, I am not sent
but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, HELP ME. But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to
cast it to dogs."


First he ignores her, and then he
insults her! “This is not for you, you
dog! This is for the children. You Gentiles are not in that category of God's children.BUT SHE KEEP ON PRESSING ON:

Matthew 15:27, "And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table."


This is similar to what happened to a
man named Jacob when he wrestled,
physically, with God, and who put
God in a hold and said, "...I will not
let thee go, except thou bless
me" (Genesis 32:24-30). He wrestled
all night long and said he would not let him go until he blesses him! God even put the hollow of Jacob's thigh out of joint, and he still wouldn't let him go! These people would stand up to God, believe it or not. This woman continued to persist in the argument. And what happened?

Matthew 15:28, "Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, GREAT IS THY FAITH : be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole
from that very hour."

What's he talking about? He's talking about her boldness, her persistence, her drive, her energy, her willingness
to hang in there and not give up on her daughter's sake. Sometimes we can find more faith for our children than we can for ourselves. This woman certainly did. Notice Jesus' response when he saw this kind of faith, this kind of persistent boldness. He said, “I'll give you anything you want!” And her daughter was made
whole from that very hour. And Jesus
told her that her bold, persistent, aggressive faith has saved her daughter.

Continue from the Lord prayer;

Luke 11:9-10, "And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened
unto you. For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened."

One thing you can say for sure is that
a man who doesn't ask is not going to
get it, a man who isn't looking for it isn't going to find it, and a man who doesn't knock on the door will never get it open.

Luke 11:11-13, "If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? Or if he
shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?"

You need to understand, the point that is being made here is not that God is a bad neighbor, the point is that if you expect to be heard of God you're going to have to knock and you're going to have to be persistent in what you do, and you are going to have to be shameless.

CONCLUSION;
Well, the scriptural doctrine of faith is an ACTIVE , persistent, bold approach to God. We seem to think that faith is a PASSIVE virtue; that it's a set of BELIEFS or a way of THINKING , whereas in scripture it's a way of acting!
That's where, possibly, the difference
may come in.

[quote author=Rilwayne001 post=33795542][/quote]a wise man who cannot discern lies is indeed a foolish man. Allah say he did not send angel prior to the coming of muhammed meaning angel Gabriel was sent by the true God and not Allah.

Rilwayne001:
And the delusion continues

the op is very very clear, Allah say he did not send ANGELS but MEN did he send prior to the coming of muhammed, the question is, who send angel Gabriel to Mary?

talkingtruth:
Trash!

From your statements, you must be a terrorist, who is so harsh on who you term infidels. People like you are not supposed to live among decent people in the city, you are supposed to be in sambisa forest with your co-terrorists. Merciless people serving merciless god. Smh!

Your lying and wicked allahh said you should obey him and his one and only prophet. You as a muslim is subjecting Muhammad's words to investigations, whether he was wrong or correct. What type of a muslim are you? When Muhammad speaks, faithful muslims believe it is inspired by allahh who is not expected to be fallible. Here you are querying the words of islam prophet, you are an infidel in the real sense of islam.

None of you can understand the true nature of allahh because he spoke to your prophet behind the veil. Why? Hidding himself to deceive. He would say white today and call it black tomorrow referring to the same object. This is exactly the nature of the devil to create confusion. For many of his words, he spoke the reverse.

On this thread, read through and see the way muslims have spoken expressing disagreement with one another: you said the hadith should be investigated, some said it is in order and would start eating flies, another said he would always dip flies into his drink and drink it (without knowing how long it will take for the fly to release the antidote if it has any), then another came saying the whole hadith is fabrication without letting us know who did the fabrication. Everyone of you came competing in who is the greatest in lying. That is islam for you.

honestly, in Islam I don't think there is forgiveness for sinners, the muslim brother hatred for infidels is soo much, comperd to what Jesus say here;

Matthew 5:43-48
Love for Enemies

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love
your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’
44 But I tell you, love your enemies and
pray for those who persecute you, 45
that you may be children of your Father
in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on
the evil and the good, and sends rain on
the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 IF
YOU LOVE THOSE WHO LOVE YOU,WHAT
REWARD WILL YOU GET ?ARE NOT EVEN TAX COLLECTORS DOING THAT? 47 And if you greet
only your own people, what are you
doing more than others? Do not even
pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore,
as your heavenly Father is perfect.


AbuuUsaamah if you love thoes who love you, what is your reward? Are not the pagan doing that? The pagan even do more than that.if you see a pagan who is more merciful than you are, then you need to go back to your religious book and search for the problem of you hatred. The true God love sinners and want them to repent, but He hate sin.

timilehing:
Grace is for all & regardless of your beliefs. He's the God of all. Don't quote me again please

yes, that's the points I am making, Grace is for All mankind but not All accepts the grace of God, example some Jews reject christ. Hope you understand? Thank you.

timilehing:
Bro, no need for argument but I can clearly say there's no criteria for receiving God's grace. Only Him decides

the grace of God is for all mankind, but not everybody accepts, if you read john 3:16 it indicate that grace is a gift to mankind through our Lord Jesus christ and the verse went on and say "whosoever believe in Him should not perish but have eternal life" meaning some MAY reject Jesus and some may accepts him.
To believe in Jesus doesent mean you are saved because even the devil believe" Jesus is Lord" you must confessed your sin and aknowleged Him.

talkingtruth:
The lack of chronological order of quran is deliberate by muslims. It will enable them to tell lies. Apart from the chronological arrangement, you would see allahh or muhammad talking about a topic in chapter 2 incompletely only to continue in chapter 50 later when it is not related to the issue at hand. It is either allahh is also an illiterate god or it is muhammad fumbling or both are into deception.

even when the bible was there, the muslims cannot discern the lies, satanic magic is working on them, this people can defend the lies in the quran by all means. Muhammed is not even holier than many of my born again friends.

POPdecorator:
is these 1 enough1) Genesis 9:20-26 - Noah became drunk; the result was immorality and family trouble.
2) Genesis 19:30-38 - Lot was so drunk he did not know what he was doing; this led to immorality
3) Leviticus 10:9-11 - God commanded priests not to drink so that they could tell the difference between the holy and the unholy.
4) Numbers 6:3 - The Nazarites were told to eat or drink nothing from the grape vine.
5) Deuteronomy 21:20 - A drunken son was stubborn and rebellious.
6) Deuteronomy 29:5-6 - God gave no grape juice to Israel nor did they have intoxicating drink in the wilderness.
7) Deuteronomy 32:33 - Intoxicating wine is like the poison of serpents, the cruel venom of asps.
Judges 13:4, 7, 14 - Samson was to be a Nazarite for life. His mother was told not to drink wine or strong drink.
9) 1 Samuel 1:14-15 - Accused, Hannah said she drank no wine.
10) 1 Samuel 25:32-38 - Nabal died after a drunken spree.
11) 2 Samuel 11:13 - By getting Uriah drunk, David hoped to cover his sin.
12) 2 Samuel 13:28-29 - Amnon was drunk when he was killed.
13) 1 Kings 16:8-10 - The king was drinking himself into drunkenness when he was assassinated
14) 1 Kings 20:12-21 - Ben-Hadad and 32 other kings were drinking when they were attacked and defeated by the Israelites.
15) Esther 1:5-12 - The king gave each one all the drink he wanted. The king was intoxicated when he commanded the queen to come.
16) Psalm 75:8 - The Lord’s anger is pictured as mixed wine poured out and drunk by the wicked.
17) Proverbs 4:17 - Alcoholic drink is called the wine of violence.
18) Proverbs 20:1 - Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging.
19) Proverbs 23:19-20 - A wise person will not be among the drinkers of alcoholic beverages.
20) Proverbs 23:21 - Drunkenness causes poverty.
21) Proverbs 23:29-30 - Drinking causes woe, sorrow, fighting, babbling, wounds without cause and red eyes.
22) Proverbs 23:31 - God instructs not to look at intoxicating drinks.
23) Proverbs 23:32 - Alcoholic drinks bite like a serpent, sting like an adder.
24) Proverbs 23:33 - Alcohol causes the drinker to have strange and adulterous thoughts, produces willfulness, and prevents reformation.
25) Proverbs 23:34 - Alcohol makes the drinker unstable
26) Proverbs 23:35 - Alcohol makes the drinker insensitive to pain so he does not perceive it as a warning. Alcohol is habit forming.
27) Proverb 31:4-5 - Kings, Princes, and others who rule and judge must not drink alcohol. Alcohol perverts good judgment.
28) Proverbs 31:6-7 - Strong drink could be given to those about to perish or those in pain. Better anesthetics are available today.
29) Ecclesiastes 2:3 - The king tried everything, including intoxicating drink, to see if it satisfied. It did not. (Ecclesiastes 12:
30) Ecclesiastes 10:17 - A land is blessed when its leaders do not drink.
31) Isaiah 5:11-12 - Woe to those who get up early to drink and stay up late at night to get drunk.
32) Isaiah 5:22 - Woe to "champion" drinkers and "experts" at mixing drinks.
33) Isaiah 19:14 - Drunken men stagger in their vomit.
34) Isaiah 22:12-13 - The Israelites choose to drink; their future looks hopeless to them.
35) Isaiah 24:9 - Drinkers cannot escape the consequences when God judges.
36) Isaiah 28:1 - God pronounces woe on the drunkards of Ephraim.
37) Isaiah 28:3 - Proud drunkards shall be trodden down.
38) Isaiah 28:7 - Priests and prophets stagger and reel from beer and wine, err in vision, and stumble in judgment.
39) Isaiah 28:8 - Drinkers’ tables are covered with vomit and filth.
40) Isaiah 56:9-12 - Drinkers seek their own gain and expect tomorrow to be just like today.
41) Jeremiah 35:2-14 - The Rechabites drank no grape juice or intoxicating wine and were blessed.
42) Ezekiel 44:21 - Again God instructed the priests not to drink wine.
43) Daniel 1:5-17 - Daniel refused the king’s intoxicating wine and was blessed for it along with his abstaining friends.
44) Daniel 5:1 - Belshazzar, ruler of Babylon; led his people in drinking.
45) Daniel 5:2-3 - The king, along with his nobles, wives, and concubines, drank from the goblets which had been taken from God’s temple.
46) Daniel 5:4 - Drinking wine was combined with praising false gods.
47) Daniel 5:23 - God sent word to Belshazzar that punishment would be swift for the evil he had committed.
48) Hosea 4:11 - Intoxicating wine takes away intelligence.
49) Hosea 7:5 - God reproves princes for drinking.
50) Joel 1:5 - Drunkards awake to see God’s judgment.

All the verse you quote are the old covenant, why? Because God has deliver his new covenant which is grace and have sealed the word of God in our heart. The verse you quote are for thoes Jews who rejected the grace of God he bestows upon Jesus the messiah.

talkingtruth:
They are to be pitied. allah has manipulated their common sense, just as he did to Muhammad. Are you not wondering how they reason?

Truthman2012 has been banned.

can you imagine the boy? he was misinterpreting Allah command, he was trying to say sahih bukari do not translated it well, I don't even know if muslims understand the context of there quran because the quran was not arrange in a chronological way. May God open there eyes.

Hope the ban was not long?

Rilwayne001:
Read the context and stop being a clown.

Not all illiterates are senseless, but your own is....smh

have a nice day.

what nonsense is this? This is to show that you don't even know what you are saying, the context was talking about muslims in the afterlife the quran called them PIOUS muslims and you are saying "NO,they are hypocrites" infacte you are the most bias and deluded muslims I have ever chat with, the very same hadith say muhammed will be the first to cross over, and you are saying those in hell are hypocrites meaning that include muhammed( admits, you don't know what you are explaining here)
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 12,
Number 770:

... Allah will call them, and As-Sirat (a
bridge) will be laid across HELL and
I (MUHAMMED) shall be the first
amongst the Apostles to cross it
with my followers. Nobody except
the Apostles will then be able to
speak and they will be saying then, ‘O
Allah! SAVE US . O Allah SAVE US....

Here muhammed is said to be the first to came out from hell and the muslims in general were crying" save us,save us"going by your explanation,those who are in hell are the hypocrites including muhammed.

This is the truth;

Surah 19:72: “Then (Thumma) We
shall rescue those who kept from evil,
and leave the evil-doers crouching
there.” (Pickthall)
“Afterwards (Thumma) we will
deliver those who shall have been
PIOUS, but we will leave the ungodly
therein on their knees.” (Sale)

Which dictionary you read that say pious are hypocrites?this is Foolishness
Keep on believing in lies. Or maby Allah is wrong for saying this (offcorse he is the devil) or this verse is satanic verse? Or the verse was abrogated? Debunked himself!!!

Rilwayne001:
You lack comprehension skill, please go back to school.

stop embarrassing your self.
What do you understand by this;
…only this nation (Muslims) will be left WITH its hypocrites...?
How does the word "with sound to you?

Rilwayne001:
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 12 Number 770:
On the Day of Resurrection, people will be gathered
and He will order the people to follow what they used
to worship. So some of them will follow the sun, some
will follow the moon, and some will follow other deities;
and …only this nation (Muslims) will be left with its hypocrites.

see twisting,your lies is soo much, the devil will be very proud of you.
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 12
Number 770:
…only this nation (Muslims) will
be left WITH its hypocrites...

There two group in this statement, the pious muslims and the hypocrite and the hypocrite were not rescue but the pious ones were rescue, my question still stand.
who are the people being rescue? Come to think of it , why will Allah rescue thoes who reject him in the first place? Is there repentance in HELL?

Here what the true God say;

2 Peter 2:4-5
4 For if God spared not the angels that
sinned, but cast them down to hell, and
delivered them into chains of darkness,
to be reserved unto judgment;

What make you think God will violate his command and spear hypocrites?here me now , once you are in hell, there is no SECOND chance there, satan is using the quran to lead mankind into hell.

Rilwayne001:
Those who though are devout worshippers of God, they observed prayers as the Quran prescribed it, but they are hypocrite, despite doing all these they still went ahead to indulge in hypocrisy and sin, God will show them mercy but that'd be after they have been punished for sometime.



I am not deluded.

now I know you are a lier and a father of IT, it is only Jesus that can healed you.
Your lies has been exposed.

Surah 19:71: “It is the inevitable
decree of your Lord that EVERY ONE of
you will be taken to hell.” (Sarwar)

How does EVERY ONE sound like? dos every one sound like some people? If you are not satisfied here, ok here is more prove that you are a lier;

“Afterwards (Thumma) we will
deliver those who shall have been
PIOUS, but we will leave the ungodly
therein on their knees.” (Sale)

Are pious people hypocrite in Islam? Keep on deceiving your self.

Rilwayne001:
So sad, you want me to repeat myself again?? hell no.



Do you have it?



Who are those workers of iniquity that perfomed miracle with his name? was he aiding those workers of iniquity by allowing their miracles to work out?

read the quran and bible,which book provide hope for eternal life? Allah is not stable, his nature is different from the God of the bible, say a word and later debunked himself, how does it sound? Is it a coincidence that muhammed is illiterate and the quran looks like it was writing by illiterate. Abuse Jesus or any other prophet and the muslims will claimed they leave you for God but abuse muhammed and they take your life, muhammed wrote the quran in soo much that it benefit him alone and downgrade the true prophet of God.

Answer my question, who is Allah rescuing in this verse?

Surah 19:72: “Then (Thumma) We
shall RESCUE those who kept from evil,
and leave the evil-doers crouching
THERE.” (Pickthall)

One thing for sure , the evil doer and the muslims are in the same place "THERE" and allah rescue the muslims there and live the evil doer "THERE" the context of the verse say they are in HELL before the rescue operation. Who allah rescue?

Rilwayne001:
You know I don't like replying you, why? because you are a robot. And you have been programmed not to understand any explanation giving to you. Pa malvisguy noticed this in you, hence, his reason not to sent you to school, because he know if he did, its going to be in futility.

I don't have time for ROBOT.

Truthman is an old man suffering from amnesia. His ambition right from time has been to become a pastor like oyedepo, oristejafor, he dreamt of riding private jet around. But he is depressed by the fact that he church business has not been yielding his desired aim, hence, is reason for coming here to lay his anger on muslim. But, trust me he is on a futile mission, because falsehood is bound to perish.

Is this^ the person you are trying to emulate? an old man suffering from attention deficit disoder?

Shaking my head for you.

Just one advice to you malviguy212. Go write O'level. and If you dont want to mingle among those little boys writing it, kindly take up and adult education. It will be better for you like that than to emulate this confused old man.

my2kobo



lol @ deluded boy. I believe every reasonable person both christian and muslim reading this thread will see the deluded between myself, you and your mentor.

answer this question and stop this your foolishness,WHO IS ALLAH RESCUING IN HELL? You can twist the verse that talk about "removed" but that doesent change the fact that Allah is rescuing some people in hell, who are they?

I repeat, you are deluded just like muhammed who cannot discern sin atoning.

Rilwayne001:
Old man. please stop disgracing yourself here


Now, go back to my post.

you are the one that is saying what Allah did not say, who will Allah rescue in Hell? Sinners? Deluded boy.

Rilwayne001:
Nay, but [by the very act of creation] We hurl the truth against falsehood, and it crushes the latter: and lo! it withers away. But woe unto you for all your [attempts at] defining [God] –

Good truthman,

It is a pitiable dismal that you have taken your level of deceit to higher level.

The thread as been trashed day-b4-yesterday on another thread of yours like that. Unknown to me that you later replied my post with the trash you wrote in the OP.

I checked the thread just now, and I found out that you deliberately mispel my moniker as Rilwayne01 instead of 001. I know you did that in other for me not to see your silly mention.

Truth is, you can only fo0l the gullible followers following you on your deceitful mission. First you boycotted my posts on that thread, then secondly you delibrately mispelt my moniker in other for me not to know that you've pasted your trash on my mention.

Thank God you opened the trash as a thread, even though you did that without calling my attention again. But luckily for me, alnaijablogger's mention on his thread brought me to this section last night.

Let now address this once and for all. In other for all the truth seeker know your guilfullness.



This has been addressed up there, the word "remove" doesn't necessarily mean to bring out a thing from a thing. It could also me to "distant something from a thing", now how do we know that my underlined meaning of "remove" up there is what the Quran meant in this passage?

This verse of the Quran makes us understand that indeed, that is the meaning of "remove" meant in the passage up here:
Surely (as for) those for whom the good has already gone forth from Us, [size=13pt] they shall be kept far off from it; [/size] They will not hear its faintest sound, and they shall abide in that which their souls long for. <<< keeping something far from the other think is the same as distant something from something. Therefore, the too verse makes us understand that the muslim ummah will be kept far from hell.

I believe anyone with sound mind will understand this easily without giving too much lecture on it. If your level of reasoning is not like that of a goat, you will have no problem seeing that both verse meant that muslim will be distant far away from hell, or else you want to feign ignorance as usual because you have been beclouded by your deviousness.



This has been addressed the other night, and I find it so hard that you neglected my explanation and boycotted my moniker in other that I may not come back to address it.

Well, my explanation above dismantled this quote, and also, I'll like to point out as I explained the other night that no one is in hell right now according to the Quran, it will be revealed for everyone to see on the judgement day:

And on that Day hell will be brought [within sight]; on that Day man will remember [all that he did and failed to do]: but what will that remembrance avail him?

I don't know why you have been feigning ignorance, this has been thrashed the other day, why bring it up again. truthman are you not ashamed of this deceitful attitude of yours?



Ahha really?



If you truthful to yourself, the bolded and the underlined should have be what you ought to have embolden in your posts, but because it will dismantle you silly assertion, you left it out.

We are are told in this hadith that everyone human being will follow what the worshipped in life and that muslim will be left with the hypocrite muslims. Indeed, we have hypocrite muslim who though believed in Allah and the his messanger, and they are hypocrite in the sense that they choose what to believe in his law and neglect what suit them in other to satisfy their selfish interest. They are so many in our world today.




Now, what you bolded here contradicted all the nonsense you stated in the OP. Your claim is that The Prophet (saw) and muslim ummah are currently in hell, and here out your stupidityy, you embolded the glaring fact that the will cross over the brigde of hell on day of judgement. does crossing and removing the same thing? well, your deceit as been shown to your deceitful followers again.

Passing through the 3rd mainland brigde doesn't mean swimmimg in the water before you are been removed, does it?




Yes, the embolded has makes us understand the category of those who will fall inside it. Of course their are those who claim to be adherent of Islam but their deed are so bad that God cannot overlook it, hence the reason for their fallen down into hell. Boko haram, ISIS are typical example of this set of people that will fall down into hell for their evil deeds.

And also, the hadith makes us understand that some will remain there forever i.e. those who even though worshipped God but still went ahead to do great evil, BH and ISIS are typical example, while some will be brought out by the mercy of Allah, they are devout muslim who observe their regular prayer but still went ahead to do bad deeds that are not that worst, hence, Allah will show them his mercy, by overlooking their deeds, but that'd after they have tasted from the little punishment.

Again, this particular part of the hadith dismantle your claim that all muslims will go to hell pending the day of ressurection.

This Quran has made us understand that to REPENT, BELIEVE AND DOING GOOD WORKS will make one a successful candidate of Janah.



Again, as explained up there, this hadith has made us understand that their deeds will make the suffer all these punishment.



This is a baseless assertion that can only be concluded by either a deceitful person or and old man reasoning like a billy goat.



I have argued this with a bigot like you on this board that no where does te Quran say all muslim will go to hell.



What you failed to understand is the context of this verse, I will take it from the preceeding verses and I will had little exigesis to them.

And man saith: When I am dead, shall I forsooth be brought forth alive?

…^^this verse talks about those who doubt whether they would be brought alive, they are doubting whether the day of judgement will come. correct me if i am wrong oo. Many Verses of the Quran has made us understand that doubting the day of judgement itself is a sin before Allah

Surah Maryam, Verse 67:
Doth not man remember that We created him before, when he was naught?

^^^Still talking about those that have doubt about the day of judgment

Surah Maryam, Verse 68:
And, by thy Lord, verily We shall assemble THEM and the devils, then We shall bring them, crouching, around hell.

Going by the first 2 verse up there, please Mr. Truthman2012 who are the THEM here ( in verse 68)

Surah Maryam, Verse 69:
Then We shall PLUCK OUT from every sect whichever of THEM was MOST STUBBORN IN REBELLION to the Beneficent.

^^ i.e there are of them (man) that apart from doubting the day of judgment they are stubborn and more rebellion to God. and the will be PLUCKED OUT. .

Surah Maryam, Verse 70:
And surely We are Best Aware of those most worthy to be burned therein.

^^ surely God knows best those who are more stubborn and rebellion to Him among them (man)

Surah Maryam, Verse 71:
There is not one of you but shall approach it. That is a fixed ordinance of thy Lord.

^^Can we say including the muslim? despite God telling us that there are those who doubt about the day and among those who doubt are those who are more rebellion to God including the devil. Does that include the muslims? going by the previous verses does that include those who have no doubt at all at the same time ward off evil (muslims) ?

Surah Maryam, Verse 72:
Then We shall rescue those who kept from evil, and leave the evil-doers crouching there.

^^and Allah knows best which one of those people are good people despite doubting the jugdment day. but surely this doesnt include those who have no doubt at all about the day and at the same time ward of evil. And also we should note that, this people were plucked out in verse 69. the question is what about the rest?

Then turning back to the hadith you quoted, this verse has been made clear that those who plucked out are both hypocrite muslims, by his mercy, he would save those he wishes to save among them.



I am not afraid of death. Xtians are the onr that should be afraid of them because jesus told his dsciple that he will plainly tell people like you to get away from him. Now that we have over 40000sects, those of you that will go to biblical hell will go their in thousands.



You are the one contradicting yourself

First, you said all muslims are currently in hell pending the day of ressurection, then again you displayed your low iota of sense by quoting hadith that contradicts that notion.

Your delusion is obvious

Before, replying my post, make sure you do it appropriately as I have done to yours and please make sure you mention my moniker because I may not be around on this thread.

No excuse please, I typed the whole of this post with my phone.

keep on deceiving your self and find lies to adress your curiosity,did you understand Arab more than sahih bukari?

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 12,
Number 770:
.... He will order the angels to take out of Hell those who worshipped none but
Him alone. The angels will take
them out by recognizing them from
the TRACES OF PROSTRATION , for Allah
has forbidden the (HELL ) FIRE to eat
away those traces. So they will
come out of the Fire, it will eat
away from the whole of the human
body except the marks of the
prostrations. At that time they will
come out of the Fire as mere
skeletons. The Water of Life will be
poured on them and as a result they
will grow like the seeds growing on
the bank of flowing water…”

The only people who prostrates in worship are muslims and pagans and they (the people with prostration mark) are in hell, one thing for sure, it was not the pagan because Allah will not save does who do not worship him, thus we will say for sure it was the muslims.

And the quran goes in harmony with what sahih bukari say;

Surah 19:71: “It is the inevitable
decree of your Lord that every one of
you will be taken to hell.” (Sarwar)

“There is not one of you who shall not
pass through the confines of
Hell.” (Dawood)

And the very next verse tells us:

Surah 19:72: “Then (Thumma) We
shall rescue those who kept from evil,
and leave the evil-doers crouching
there.” (Pickthall)

“Afterwards (Thumma) we will
deliver those who shall have been
pious, but we will leave the ungodly
therein on their knees.” (Sale)

Crystal clear , if this hadith and quran say muslims are in heaven then none of you will misinterpret the verses and hadith but since the quranic verses and hadith did not favour muslims, you guys are saying different thing here, silly.

Scholar8200:
INDEED! The Character thus predestinated was part of the Image and Likeness of God in which man was made, was lost after the fall, but is restored to ANY who repents and surrenders to Christ today.

thanks man, God bless you.

Lizabeth25:
Romance 9 vs 15......"For he then said unto Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

Please, who made this statement?

And if it is God, does this means that God's mercy and compassion is limited to some people alone?

Kindly help me in understanding this passage.

Thank you.

if you read from verse one you will understand,yes ,the Bible does teach predestination, but not the kind that Calvinists teach.God
pre-determined, not the IDENTITY of
the saved, but the CHARACTER of the
saved.

We are free, moral agents with the capacity to accept or reject God's
commandments. Predestination or fore-ordination is what God did before the world began, as He determined to save man from sin through the sacrifice of His own Son. Those who answer His call
through the gospel experience the
blessings of that plan now in Christ
Jesus. (Romans 2:3,11)

https://www.nairaland.com/2277794/unconditional-election

Rilwayne001:
Truthman2012



remove /rɪˈmuːv/
verb

1. take (something) away or off from the position occupied.

2. abolish or get rid of.

3. be distant from.

4. separated by a particular number of steps of descent.

noun
1. a degree of remoteness or separation.

2. a form or division in some British schools.


QURAN Surely (as for) those for whom the good has already gone forth from Us, they shall be kept far off from it; THEY WILL NOT HEAR ITS FAINTEST SOUND, and they shall abide in that which their souls long for.

I will address the rest of your posts tommorow inshaAllah.

you did not explained anything here, if we should go by your explanation, it's still remain the same thing;

" Whoso is separated from the fire" meaning he was still in the fire before separated,still saying the samething.

Scholar8200:
No contradiction there!
Let's see Ezekiel 18:14-19
14 Now, lo, if he beget a son, that seeth all his father’s sins which he hath done, and considereth, and doeth not such like, 15 that hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, hath not defiled his neighbour’s wife, 16 neither hath oppressed any, hath not withholden the pledge, neither hath spoiled by violence, but hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment,... hath walked in my statutes; he shall not die for the iniquity of his father, he shall surely live. 18 As for his father, because he cruelly oppressed, spoiled his brother by violence, and did that which is not good among his people, lo, even he shall die in his iniquity.
19 Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live.
Meaning the judgement will be carried forward only if the son continues in the father's sins. God is also a God of Justice hence Exodus 34:7 is not in spite of the son's endeavour to live right.

The clarity of that verse hangs on the word 'see'. It implies vision- an activity for the eyes only . Compare this to the actual experience described in Matthew 25:31-34,"
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you [/b]since the creation of the world.
The reference in Matthew 16:28 spoke about seeing; not the same as possessing or partaking. Peter described and underscored this in 2 Peter 1:16-17
16 For we did not follow cleverly devised stories [b]when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. [/b]17 He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”[b] 18 We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain.

The context of that quote is made clearer by Luke 10:1
After this the Lord appointed seventy-two[a] others [b]and sent them two by two ahead of him to every town and place where he was about to go. Meaning they were directed to go to places He intended on visiting as well. Else it should have been reiterated in Mark 16:15

Would you mind quoting Genesis 5:24 and graciously highlight the words in parentheses? Abel, Seth... Abraham...Thief on the Cross all went to Paradise (Third Heaven 2 Corinth 12:2,4) they either died and went there or were caught up. The passage you quoted speaks of Heaven Matthew 5:34b where God's Throne is; no record of any man being there before redemption through Christ.
In the days of Moses the people refused to continue because of giants inspite of assurance from Caleb & Joshua of God's ability to grant victory; the time of Joshua the Israelites feared chariots of iron Joshua 17:16; The highlighted was not attributed to God being unable rather it points to the unbelief of the people mentioned afterall see:
Judges 4:3,14,15,23
3 Because he had nine hundred chariots fitted with iron and had cruelly oppressed the Israelites for twenty years, they cried to the Lord for help.
7 I will lead Sisera, the commander of Jabin’s army, with his chariots and his troops to the Kishon River and give him into your hands.’”

13 Sisera summoned from Harosheth Haggoyim to the Kishon River[b] all his men and his nine hundred chariots fitted with iron.[/b]

14 Then Deborah said to Barak, “Go! This is the day the Lord has given Sisera into your hands. Has not the Lord gone ahead of you?” So Barak went down Mount Tabor, with ten thousand men following him.
At Barak’s advance, the Lord routed Sisera and all his chariots and army by the sword, and Sisera got down from his chariot and fled on foot.

16[b] Barak pursued the chariots and army as far as Harosheth Haggoyim, and all Sisera’s troops fell by the sword;

23 On that day God subdued Jabin king of Canaan before the Israelites.[/b] God only goes with us as far as our faith!

Weldon brother, lovely reply. Nice to have you around.

plaetton:
Well, I am glad that you do agree that there are places for religious bullshytes.
But when did NL religious section become a sunday school ?

I remind you guys that the atheists here on this forum carry big sticks, solely for the purpose of shaming religious bullshytes that are deemed incongruous to reason and common sense.

I agree on what? Stop forcing your idea on people, is this how you manipulate people to become atheists?
If you want to talk about economic, look for section that talk about economic.

About 90% of you post, you always say christians are illiterate and atheists are not ( I hope Joe and Arron are reading this comment now)

plaetton:
Last I checked, economic activities, the efficient allocation of resources, human, natural and capital, were the proven paths to prosperity.
This is true for nations, as well as for individuals.
We also learn from the study of economics that rich nations produce prosperity for the individual, not the other way round.

It is not gods in the sky or in earth that make Nations and individuals prosperous.

Keep religious bullshytes where they rightly belong: in Sunday schools.

yes, that's what you are tough in school, but in the church the bible speak for us and we allow the holy spirit to lead us through.you are in the church the Reverend preach from the bible and you comes up with your own objections from economic book, imagine how it will look like. Funny

plaetton:
Did you ever take economics in school?
I have actually forgotten whether economics was part of Jamb exams. I guess not.
Otherwise, this jamb champion would not be waxing full ret.tar.d about wealth and prosperity.

the op was like a preaching, and this is religion section, you don't teach economic in church, you are forcing your idea on the op. Stay one side abeg!!!

Image123:
The real issue is "What do you need the light for?" Energy conservation is not only physical you know?



Where is it written in the Bible that Jesus died at the age of 33?



Jesus Himself said that He would be hung on a tree for the purpose of salvation, and that people will look to Him to live like it was done in the wilderness in the time of Moses.
Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

Num 21:7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people.
Num 21:8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.
Num 21:9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.


ALSO, the Psalms and Prophets are quite descriptive of the crucifixion idea.
Psa 22:1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
Psa 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have enclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
Psa 22:17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.
Psa 22:18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.

Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.




Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Isa 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Isa 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.



It's unfortunate you feel that way.


You have a right to your opinions and decisions, however, note that you do not solely determine the consequences of your decisions and opinions.

Weldon bro.nice job