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9jaforlife:
1 Corinthians 9: 20-23
"20To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. 22To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. 23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings"

9jaforlife:
Wow... I should shut up? Robot sef dey yab person

First of all, go back to the earlier posts and confirm, I wasn't referring to Roman 3:7 when I said Muslims have thrashed it. Stop hiding behind this same verse to lie for Jesus!




It's shocking that you of all people can complain that one is quoting out of context, while it's the only thing you know how to do best!

Your defensive post doesn't make much difference. I've learned one thing from it though: christians have been using deceit to preach gospel for ages. That was the reason Paul was warning against it.

But the truth is this: Paul wasn't teaching about valuing God's truth in those verses. Rather, he preached "Do what I say; NOT what I do"

Why? Because Paul himself was a master hypocrite and deceiver...

1) He circumcised Timothy (Acts 16:3) while he harshly admonished the Galatians who were even thinking about getting circumcised (Galatians 5:2)

2) He lived like a chameleon to 'win souls for Jesus'.....

1 Corinthians 9: 20-23
"20To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. 22To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. 23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings"


It wouldn't have mattered if he was preaching the same thing that Jesus preached. He fabricated the greatest scam called Christianity! . Check out what has been said centuries ago...

"The Christian System... (is) a degenerate form of Christianity, and the authorship of which... (must be) ascribed to the Apostle Paul

-Johann Gottlieb Fichte, Characteristics of the Present Age (1806)


"Of this band of dupes and imposters, Paul was the great Coryphaeus, and the first corrupter of the doctrine of Jesus"

-Thomas Jefferson (1820)

Even Thomas Payne referred to him as "That manufacturer of quibbles" in 1794.

For more, google 'the criticisms of Paul' in jesuswordsonly.com

It's not today that #LyingForJesus started. E don teeey!!

9jaforlife:
Argument sake?! Who will argue with a robot Have you ever understood anything outside your lies??

cupid1:
my brother, sorry to say this but...we're back to where we started. All the quotations you provided are from the bible which is still God's side of the story.

cupid1:
I was just thinking to myself. Every story has two sides, right ? We've heard God's side from the bible. But how many of you have actually tried to find out what happened according to the devil ? I mean, it's really not fair to the Devil if we just condemn him based on only Gods testimony. Afterall, if i am in a fight with someone and a mediator comes to settle the case, i'd alway want to put myself in the right.


N/B: I'm in no way supporting the worship of satan...just wondering if any of you have ever given it a thought.


lemme invite some people who appear to be knowledgeable when it comes to religion: an2select2 malvisguy212 emusmith Hiswordxray MizJanet Kay1one2 MrPresident1 , lemme also invite johnydon22 to observe with me.

johnydon22:
K
Hope you don't mind but you need books.

DProDG:
Dear malvisguy212, quit being dishonest and fallacious. You opened a thread on a similar topic and then ran away when you were asked to defend yourself and were confronted with questions. Now you've gone ahead to repeat the same things you were corrected on.

At least, I'm glad you've learnt to give sources.

plaetton:
You guys are really really schizophrenic.
Seriously! I am neither joking nor trying to insult Anyone.
Let me give a very clear example of why I say so.

The entire thrust of this op is that is MORALS are good, and as such, had to have been dictated by a GOOD MORAL LAW Giver, presumably Yahweh/god.

Then, we present biblical evidence that Yahweh, the moral law giver, did many many evil, Non-Good, Non-Moral acts.

Then malvisguy212 and come back to say that human moral laws (given by yahweh /god) are not good enough to evaluate the goodness or lack thereof, of yahweh god.

This a clear and simple repudiation of the op, and clearly supports what we non goddists are saying,.. Mainly, that human morality has evolved to cater to and suite human interactions. Like wise, the morality of yahweh and whatever gods would have similarly evolved to suite the interactions of gods.

Yahweh couldnt have given nor dictated what he didn't have in the first place.

Pls malvisguy212, read your own posts to learn more about yourself and your disjointed beliefs.

johnydon22:
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johnydon22:
And you forgot to mention that An2elect quoted Isaiah 45:7 and plaetton used it against her just like i mentioned to you in my post.

So you see? plaetton only used her words against her and was not trying to attribute evil or anything at all to an abstract ideas such as a god.



So for the lower part of your post i would appreciate it if you discuss with me based on Your Own Analogies, not copy and paste other peoples ideas, so that when i address it i will be sure am addressing your own personal assertion

plaetton:
Gosh!

Pls read you post again, and see if you will learn something.

johnydon22:
For once in your life malvisguy stop using fallacious words to represent people's assertions.
Of all the times i have seen you discuss with atheists on the concept of morality i have never heard them term evil as "things they dont like"
They have always maintained its a concept that represents Actions or events unfavourable to human survival or well being

No atheist is linking evil to an imaginary being or trying to prove it's inexistence, how they disprove what have not been proven.

It actually falls on you to prove it exists hence it remains a claim until proven. . so don't expect any atheist to attribute anything to ideas (god) they literally lack belief in.


Actually atheist don't attribute creation of anything to any mythical being in any form...And an sire i have treated this with you in one of your threads showing you evil is not a thing (that can be termed created) But a concept representing the abstract notion of actions or events unfavourable to human survival or well being.

You christians make that assertion by quoting Isaiah 45:7

Just like i have seen you quote many times and An2elect did here too

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make
peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these
things.

So why blame an atheist for using your own words hewn from ur own bible against you the same way we use quran against it.

Learn how to represent people's words exactly as they asserted and dont baseless deceptive straw man fallacies. . i thought deception was supposed to be a sin

plaetton:
Jesus said "do not think that I come to bring peace, but that I come to bring the sword, to set son against father, and Brother against Brother."

Beautiful, isn't it?

plaetton:
Lol.
Nice of you to admit that your imaginary moral law giver is schizophrenic.
Now, what kind of MORAL laws should Anyone expect from a bible-certified schizophrenic.?
Seriously.

plaetton:
You must be really ignorant.

I guess you have never heard of the crusades?
Christians killer and comitted the worst forms of atrocities in the name of Jesus.
I also guess that you have never heard of the inquisitions and the horrors that church men comitted in the name of God.
And you have never heard of the 300yrs secterian wars in medieval Europe.

Gosh!
I wonder what garbage they are teaching you kids in school these days.

Pls shut up and stop showcasing your stark ignorance.

An2elect2:
Lol, you dont know God then. You must be one of those jolly jolly Christians. You need to know the God that you are serving o!

Take this,

Isaiah 45:7

I form the light, and create darkness: I make
peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these
things.

Look at the f close to my monicker

mustymatic:
The bibles too many.. .so there is the old testament , new testament which u claim to use n then...here is d quran, y do u hav a problem wit da

9jaforlife:
I'm sure you've had this thrashed out by Muslims for about one zillion times. I'm not prepared for your robotic style now!

9jaforlife:
No, YOU should keep lying!

As long as the bible doesn't see anything wrong with it, I won't blame you!


Roman 3:7
Someone might argue, “If my falsehood enhances God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?”

#LyingForJesus

9jaforlife:
This is not a question but an insult. Just be straight forward

malvisguy212:
mujahid1339 how is this an answer to the op? You are clueless and cannot defend your prophet. All what you copy and paste are the old testament law, they live by the divine law of God, and when you break the law of God who don't tolerate sin, it's punishment.

The amalikites you accused the isrealite of killing are a nation who is far stronger than the isrealite, but God was on the side of the isrealite. The amalikites first attack the isrealite during the exedus in the desert, when they are legging and thirsty , the amalikites attack with out provocation. During the time of judges, when the isrealite planted crops, the amalikites will invade there farm and harvest it, God judge them but He waited for soo long until the fill up there measures.

On slavery.First, we must recognize that the Bible does not say God supports slavery. In fact, the slavery described in the Old Testament was quite different from the kind of slavery we think of today - in which people are captured and sold as slaves. According to Old Testament law, anyone caught selling another person into slavery was to be executed:

"He who kidnaps a man, whether he
sells him or he is found in his
possession, shall surely be put to
death." ( Exodus 21:16)

So, obviously, slavery during Old Testament times was not what we
commonly recognize as slavery, such as
that practiced in the 17th century
Americas, when Africans were captured
and forcibly brought to work on plantations. Unlike our modern
government welfare programs, there was no safety-net for ancient Middle
Easterners who could not provide a living for themselves. In ancient Israel, people who could not provide for themselves or their families sold them into slavery so they would not die of starvation or exposure. In this way, a person would receive food and housing in exchange for labor.

So, although there are rules
about slavery in the Bible, those
rules exist to protect the slave.
Injuring or killing slaves was
punishable - up to death of the
offending party. Hebrews were
commanded not to make their
slave work on the Sabbath, slander a
slave, have sex with another man's
slave, or return an escaped slave. A
Hebrew was not to enslave his fellow
countryman, even if he owed him
money, but was to have him work as a
hired worker, and he was to be released
in 7 years or in the year of jubilee (which
occurred every 50 years), whichever
came first. In fact, the slave owner was
encouraged to "pamper his slave".

Bible rule on slave:
"If a man strikes his male or female
slave with a rod and he dies at his
hand, he shall be
punished." ( Exodus 21:20)
"If a man strikes the eye of his male
or female slave, and destroys it, he
shall let him go free on account of
his eye. "And if he knocks out a
tooth of his male or female slave, he
shall let him go free on account of
his tooth." (Exodus 21:26-27)
"He who strikes a man so that he
dies shall surely be put to
death." ( Exodus 21:12)
2. "Six days you are to do your work,
but on the seventh day you shall
cease from labor so that your ox and
your donkey may rest, and the son
of your female slave, as well as your
stranger, may refresh themselves.
(Exodus 23:12)
3. Do not slander a slave to his master,
Or he will curse you and you will be
found guilty. ( Proverbs 30:10)
4. 'Now if a man lies carnally with a
woman who is a slave acquired for
another man, but who has in no way
been redeemed nor given her
freedom, there shall be punishment;
they shall not, however, be put to
death, because she was not free.
( Leviticus 19:20)
5. "You shall not hand over to his
master a slave who has escaped
from his master to you.
( Deuteronomy 23:15)

So can you answer the op?

mujahid1339:
they are afraid,defend your god if he is too weak to defend himself.

mujahid1339:
they are afraid,defend your god if he is too weak to defend himself.