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LagosShia: "Say, [O Muhammad], "If you should love Allah , then follow me, [so] Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful." (Holy Qur'an 3:31)

"He who obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah ; but those who turn away - We have not sent you over them as a guardian." (4:80)

now show me just one verse from your Bible where Jesus (as) said you should worship him or take him as god, or that you should be "Christians" (i.e. one verse where Jesus uttered the word "Christian" ). show me one, and i will become "Christian".

the context of the quranic verse you quote is different from the verse in the bible,jesus say"sale all you have give to the poor and follow me"only God can say follow me. But the quranic verse say love allah and then follow muhammad.


The Bible never records Jesus saying the precise words, “I am God.” That does not mean, however, that He did not proclaim that He is God. Take for example Jesus’ words in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” We need only to look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement to know He was claiming to be God. They tried to stone Him for this very reason: “You, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33). The Jews understood exactly what Jesus was claiming—deity. When Jesus declared, “I and the Father are one,” He was saying that He and the Father are of one nature and essence. John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth … before Abraham was born, I am!” Jews who heard this statement responded by taking up stones to kill Him for blasphemy, as the Mosaic Law commanded (Leviticus 24:16). John reiterates the concept of Jesus’ deity: “The Word [Jesus] was God” and “the Word became flesh” (John 1:1, 14). These verses clearly indicate that Jesus is God in the flesh. Acts 20:28 tells us, “Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.” Who bought the church with His own blood? Jesus Christ. And this same verse declares that God purchased His church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God! Thomas the disciple declared concerning Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. Titus 2:13 encourages us to wait for the coming of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ (see also 2 Peter 1:1). In Hebrews 1:8, the Father declares of Jesus, “But about the Son he says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’” The Father refers to Jesus as “O God,” indicating that Jesus is indeed God. In Revelation, an angel instructed the apostle John to only worship God (Revelation 19:10). Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11; 14:33; 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38). He never rebukes people for worshiping Him. If Jesus were not God, He would have told people to not worship Him, just as the angel in Revelation did. There are many other passages of Scripture that argue for Jesus’ deity. The most important reason that Jesus has to be God is that, if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world (2 Corinthians 5:21), die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death.
to know more about jesus read colossians chapter 2.

traware: I experienced the Christians vs Moslems February 2000 riot in Kaduna state and I couldn't come to terms with the atrocities that were committed by both sides and the attitude both sides possessed after the riot(No side wanted to claim responsibility for their actions they instead, preferred pointing fingers)I also began wondering why and how a people who their God told not to kill other human beings,slaughtered other human beings like they were chickens/rams.I also wondered why if there was really a God,why didn't 'he' stop the atrocities from occurring?Why did bad things happen and why didn't this 'almighty' and 'all powerful' God do anything to stop them?WW 1 and 2?Atomic bomb drop on Hiroshima and Nagasaki?The Khmer rouge?The Rwanda genocide?Questions...questions...back then,the internet wasn't as readily available as it is today so I had to do everything the hard way...believe me,it wasn't an easy journey but I slowly and painfully came to realize there was no 'God' anywhere only we humans.It will be twelve years this November I became a full-fledged atheist.The journey continues...

if you truly experience the crisis in kaduna state, then you will never say this nonsense,you know nothin my friend.

Rilwayne001: Read the below thread and stop displaying your numskull brain here

www.nairaland.com/1808889/muhammad-heaven-hell/2#24824033

thread that you abandon,you did not answer the op,

Rilwayne001: Muslim will not cry here in this world and the hereafter, but you and your people will cry on the day of judgement when jesus tell you he doesnt know you, by then you will know where your destination is..



Surah 21:98-103) Surely you (O mushrikin ) and your deities that you worship besides Allah shall be the fuel of hell; therein you shall all enter (waridoona ). If those deities would have been true gods, they would not have gotten there; but there they shall abide forever. In there, sobbing will be their lot, and they will not be able to hear anything else. Certainly those for whom the good reward from Us has preceded them will be kept far away from it. They shall not hear even its slightest sound, and they shall dwell forever in the midst of whatever their souls desire. The time of Great Terror (Day of Judgement) will not grieve them, and the angels will.receive them with greetings: "This is your Day that you were promised."

Try again...

According to Sura 19:71 every
Muslim will go to Hell (for at
least some time), while
another passage states that
those who die in Jihad will go
to Paradise immediately.perhaps you should die in jihad.

Rilwayne001: @,..Op Jazakumallah Kairan.


xtian keep crying as usual

between christian and muslim who suppose to be crying? An't allah already shown the fate of all muslim if the die were they will go according to quran?you should be crying.

maclatunji: Comprehension is a problem with many here. The writer is indeed factual, many people in the western world refuse to believe in God because of how Christians have defined Him which is probably the only concept they know.

a brother name cleanvassel make a thread about islam as a religion in the beginning and how muhammad go against the commandment of allah, before any one could notice it, you delete the thread.why are you guys always hide the truth?

maclatunji: Why are you looking for a church?

because satan cannot heal satan,it is only in church you get healing.

Jammy2012: Hmmmm. ... there are some things the christian don't know. I ,as a Muslim can never deny Jesus(PBUH) as a prophet of God with whom God love and mentioned in Qur'an more than the last messenger ,Mohammed (SAW) . I believe Mary to be the most glorious of all women in the Quran. As for me,I believe! May Almighty God forgive you and let you realise you're getting it wrong ameen

yes muslim believe in jesus, but the bible say even the devil believe in him, dos that make him[satan] godly? No. You must confess jesus with in your heart.

LagosShia: if you may have observed, the verses i presented (Matthew 7:21-23) are a direct response to your claim:

"Yes muslim believe in jesus, but the bible say even satan believe in him, those that make satan godly? [Godforbid] no, you need to confess Him."

obviously, according to Jesus, that, you mentioned as quoted in the above line, isn't even enough to win you salvation. Jesus in those verses wasn't referring to "false prophets", but the very people who preach in his name and claim to perform wonders, i.e. practicing Christians. such men abound in Nigeria, and i am sure you can name many of them.

as for having guaranty to win salvation, what Jesus (as) labeled out is exactly what Islam teaches us in practical terms, and those you claim to be associated with satan (i.e. Muslims) happen to be following what Jesus (as) preached, while you follow what Paul preached. it is simply:

Matthew 19:16-24:
Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”17“Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.” 18“Which ones?” he inquired.Jesus replied, “ ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19honor your father and mother,’c and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’d ”20“All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”21Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”22When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.23Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

Matthew 5:17-20:
17“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

VERSUS Paul's way of "salavation" :

Romans 10:9-10:
“That if you confess with your mouth Jesus {as} Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved; for with the heart man believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation."

Colossians 2:14-16:
"14having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him.16Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—"

Galatians 3:13:
"Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole."

you are even proving my point,matthew 19:16-24.pay attention what jesus said to him,don't just read it like story book,jesus say"sale all you have give to the poor and FOLLOW MEhas any prophet ever said somtin like this before?bring the verse.this should tell you that jesus is the road to salvation, a link to God,a away to heaven.if you follow jesus then you must confess him as your Lord, even jesus say "whoever believe in his name shall be save"can muslim called the name of jesus against demon? No.

In the book of romans7.paul say,"i do not know sin but when the law came sin revive in me and I di....the law which suppose to save me is makin war against my spirit"so jesus has to fulfill the law by making it simple for us to follow.first, jesus dwell in flash to show humans that man can keep the law.

The Law brought a curse, but the
Christian is delivered from that curse.
How? Christ has taken it upon Himself.
The Crucifixion brought Him under the
curse of the Law. At the same time, it
abolished the dominion of the Law, and threw open the Messianic blessedness to
Gentiles as well as Jews: in other words,
to all who gave in their adhesion to the
Messiah by faith. (13) Christ hath redeemed us.—Better,
Christ redeemed us. The opening of this
verse without any connecting particle
lends sharpness and emphasis to the
contrast. The Law brought a curse. There
it stopped short. That was all it could do. The first thing that Christianity does is to
undo this result of the Law by
deliverance from the curse. This deliverance is represented under the
form of a ransom. Christ “bought off” the
human race from the penalty of its sins,
the price paid being His death. Comp. 1Corinthians 6:20; 1Corinthians 7:23, “Ye are (were) bought with a price;” 2Peter 2:1, “The Lord that bought them;” Revelation 5:9, “Thou wast slain and hast redeemed (bought) us to God by thy
blood;” Revelation 14:4, “These were redeemed (bought) from among men.”
The word used in these passages, as well
as in that before us, is the general word
for “buying.” But that the “buying”
intended is that more definitely
conveyed by the idea of “ransom” appears from the use of the special word
for ransom in Matthew 20:28 ( = Mark 10:45), “The Son of Man came to give His life a ransom for many;” 1Timothy 2:6, “Who gave Himself a ransom for all.” The
word commonly translated
“redemption” (Romans 3:24; 1Corinthians 1:30; Ephesians 1:7; Ephesians 1:14; Ephesians 4:30; Colossians 1:14; Hebrews 9:15) also contains the same special idea of “a ransoming.” Us.—In the first instance, “the Jews,” but
not to be confined too strictly to them.
The Apostle is writing to a Gentile
(though Judaising) Church, and he does
not wish to exclude any of his readers.
Though the Gentiles do not come directly under “the curse of the Law,” they came
under God’s condemnation. From this
they were released, and the blessings of
the theocracy hitherto annexed to the
Law were thrown open to them by the
death of Christ. From the curse of the law.—From that
curse which the Law pronounced upon
all who failed to keep its precepts. Being made a curse.—Being treated as if
He were accursed. Comp. 2Corinthians 5:21, “For he hath made Him to be sin for us who knew no sin”—i.e., treated as
sinful One who was not sinful. The idea
is somewhat strengthened by the use of
the substantive for the adjective. The
curse identifies itself with its object:
seizes, as it were, upon the person of its victim. For us—i.e., “on our behalf,” “for our
sakes,” not “in our stead.” It is
impossible to escape the conclusion that
St. Paul, like the rest of the Apostles,
regarded the sufferings of Christ as
undergone in our stead. The idea is, indeed, distinctly expressed in this very
passage; but it must be gathered from
the context, not from the use of the
preposition. The preposition which
means “instead” is found in Matthew 20:28; 1Timothy 2:6. (See Note on Galatians 1:4.) As it is written.—The way in which the
curse of the Law fell upon Christ was
through His death. The ignominious
death by which He died was one to
which the curse of God specially
attached. The Law expressly declared that that criminal who died upon the
cross or gibbet was an object of the
divine wrath. Christ died as such a
criminal, and so came under the curse. It is to be observed, in considering the
doctrinal bearings of this passage, that
the curse which fell upon Christ was not
the same curse as that described above
as the consequence of human guilt in
failing to keep the requirements of the Law. It is not the accumulated penalty
for the whole mass of human
disobedience, but rather an incidental
defilement, contracted by an in-
voluntary breach of a particular
ceremonial precept. The death of Christ involved a curse because the manner of
it was by suspension from a cross.
Nothing more than this is said. Christ, the
sinless One, died for sinful men. If He had
not died they must have died. And His
death acted (in some inscrutable way) so as to propitiate the wrath of God. But it
is not said that the actual load of human
guilt was laid upon Him. It is not said
that His death was the actual
punishment of that guilt. The death of
Christ removed the necessity for the punishment of men, but it could not be
regarded as a punishment in relation to
Christ Himself. In this respect it would
seem as if the symbolism of the
scapegoat (which is sometimes adduced
in explanation of the present passage) was imperfectly applicable. In the case
of the scapegoat, the high priest was to
lay his hands upon his head, and to
“confess over him all the iniquities of the
children of Israel, and all their
transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat;” and the
goat was to “bear upon him all their
iniquities unto a land not
inhabited” (Leviticus 16:21-22). No such process as this really took place in the
case of our Lord; nor is it applied to Him
even in 1Peter 2:24, otherwise than in vague and general metaphor. The literal
application derives no countenance from
the present passage, but is rather
contradicted by it. It expressly
distinguishes between the curse which
fell upon Christ and the curse which was due to the sins of men, though the
incurrence of the one led to the
abrogation of the other. Cursed is every one that hangeth on a
tree.—From Deuteronomy 21:23. The Hebrew and LXX. insert “of God”—”He
that is hanged is cursed of God”—which
St. Paul instinctively omits. The reference
in the original is to the exposure of the
body upon a stake or gibbet after death.

Rilwayne001: Jesus was not dead, the resurrection myth is a balderdash...until you can prove me wrong, this claim is useless.




And i said, is he living inside his father since he is the word of his father?



Poo.....you are the dumb here sire..

you ask question about the deep thing of God,if you are a child of God, you will know all this, but you're not, do you realy think God cannot have a son?you are full of insult,and anger,that the sprite of islam.thank you for your time...... Shalom.

Rilwayne001: The simple question you never attempt here is that.

Doed Yahweh desire sacrifice?

If yes, Kindly explain what he meant in hosea 6:6..

If no, kindly explain why he would want Jesus as sacrifice for sin.


meanwhile can you please explain what yahwe was saying here:
“Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of rams, with ten thousand rivers of oil? Shall I offer my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul? He has showed you, O man, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? TO ACT JUSTLY AND TO LOVE MERCY AND TO WALK HUMBLY WITH YOUR GOD.” (Micah 6:7-8.

jesus dead was a ransom to mankind, God dos not desire sacrifice, he even say"to obey is better than sacrifice " ransom mean pay the price,jesus pay for our sin, sin that He[jesus] was innocent of,HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A CHURCH SAY THE CONGREGATION SHOULD BRING SACRIFICE? Jesus has already pay the price for us. But you see the muslim kill ram every year, for what? Sacrifice,you are just pointing the wrong doin of islam.

Rilwayne001: The question is not dumb rather you are...and the best thing for you is to address it instead of beating around the bush..

if jesus is the literal word of God, where is him right now?

is he inside God?



Answer my question please..



Answer my question..

bible say he was dead and risen and he live forevermore.jesus is alive.your question is dumb.

Rilwayne001: You never answered my questions, it is only 3...please go back and answer them.

then i will reply this..

here are my question one again..

this question is dumb,jesus say"i and my father are one"meaning God and his word are one,the mystery has already been unveil.the bible say he is the firstborn amoung all things, meaning the first word is the firstborn which is jesus.

Rilwayne001: When jesus say:
“If you had known what these words mean, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the innocent.” (Matthew 12:7).

Do u know what those words mean ^^

also .

Jesus says: “Go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice.’” (Matthew 9:13).

What do u learn about this verse ^^

This is what the OT have to say:

“Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of rams, with ten thousand rivers of oil? Shall I offer my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul? He has showed you, O man, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? TO ACT JUSTLY AND TO LOVE MERCY AND TO WALK HUMBLY WITH YOUR GOD.” (Micah 6:7-8.

God has shown us what is good and it is not sacrifice. What is good is to act justly and to love mercy...

the teacher of the law and the pharisees,they desire sacrifice more than mercy.
Matthew 12:7. After this defence of His disciples, He shows the Pharisees that in judging them as they had done theywere animated by a perverse disposition. He shows how they were destitute of the compassionate love which God requires in Hosea 6:6, while their thoughts were exclusively directed to sacrifice and ceremonial religion generally. you are canalminded man.

Rilwayne001: And this was my initial claim, but you never attempt it....abegg go and sleep joor

you are ignorance,the bible say"to obey is better than sacrifice" he never reject sacrifice.abel, abraham, isaac, jacob and many more give sacrifice to God, did God reject it?even you guys, muslim, you kill sheep every year, did you mean Allah reject it?

Rilwayne001: Msheew...is God still speaking Jesus now?

Where is Jesus right now? is he still inside God?

bible say"without him[jesus]nothin that is made will be made"this mean...without the word of God nothin in this world will be made.The day God speak the word, jesus became active,in the old testament,the prophet start there message like this"the word of God came to me.or thus say the Lord" but in the new testament it say"and the word became flash and dwell among us" this mean the word of God [jesus]became flash and live among us as human.
All this things, your prophet don't know it,he is like the ethiopian eunuch who read the bible without understanding it,YOU NEED TO CONFESS JESUS AND BE SAVE.

Rilwayne001: If we are to follow your assertion here.... who created the light according to the bolded

this will be my last post to you.GOD SPEAK JESUS NOT CREATE, HE SPEAK THE WORD.

Rilwayne001: ^^ one on the reasons why i hate replying u...u just dont address my point.

are you this deluded?

the book of john say jesus was the light of the world.
Genesis1:1-3 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was
over the surface of the deep, and the
Spirit of God was hovering over the
waters. 3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light
from the darkness.
jesus was in the beginning, When God say the WORD"let there be light",the word became active, JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD.

Rilwayne001: What word of God? the word of God that you yourself never believed.

God said he doesnt desire sacrifice you said he is lying.. who are we going to believe btw u and him

John 1:1-14New International Version (NIV) The Word Became Flesh 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was
God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has
been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the
darkness has not overcome[a] it. 6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that
through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as
a witness to the light. 9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the
world was made through him, the world
did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not
receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name,
he gave the right to become children of
God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a
husband’s will, but born of God. 14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his
glory, the glory of the one and only Son,
who came from the Father, full of grace
and truth.

Rilwayne001: I should be asking you....Ignoramous like you are fast in eating hokum, but you will never eat your gibberish alone u try as hard as possible in transferring it to other ignoramous around.

You believe in the unexplainable tale of trinity,

you believe in the sacrifice of fools (blood sacrifice) that without it Yahweh cannot forgive your sins

you believe jesus is God almighty when the bible is against that notion (even jesus himself is against that notion)

you believe in the ressurection myth, when actually you cant prove my thread wrong.

you believe the bible is inerrant despite all the glaring absurdities in it.

you believe paul despite telling you the he is a liar.

you believe in trinity when actually u cannot prove it from the bible.

And soo on and so fort. among all those gibberish/hokum/taradiddle you believed in, you tried to force it into my oesophagus and times without number i told you i dont suck them.

Better still you can prove all those point here...and if you cant please review your life and give it to God Almighty who created Jesus including you.





I will rather give my life to God the same person jesus gave his life to.

Zechariah 14:9 (NIV)
The LORD will be king over the whole earth. On thatday there will be one LORD , and his name the only name .

Who will be the only ONE LORD? Jesus or is father?



To God belong all praise and worship, i call upon the God that jesus himself used to ask of help

in other word, you want to save yourself without the word of God.it is your choice.

babylolaroy: i surmise that if this your 'God' didnt rest, he would break down. that means the creation was such an ordeal, he would not last long if he didnt slow down.
astaghfirullah. really you guys belittle God and you know next to nothing about his might. you even repeated rest using the upper cases. seriously for once, try to study ur bible in its original language, not English which is handed down to you this way with wrong interpretations. i am nt even sure many christian know in what language it was revealed.

do you know what is foreshadowing? event that happen but God use it to showcase what He will do in the future.isaiah 46. God declare the end from the beginning, meaning there is foreshadowing in the book of genesis,what is God tryin to tell us there? Why will he create the world in 6days and REST on the seventh day? I highlight how God told the children of isreal to rest every seventh day, month and year,6days of creation mean man has 6000thousand years to live on the earth,[ remember a thousand year is like yesterday in God calendar,2peter 2:8.] and the seventh day which God rest is the millanea reign of Christ.DID YOU THINK GOD JUST SAY" I DECLARE THE END FROM THE BEGINNING" JUST TO WAST SPACE?I don't expect you to understand the deep thing of God, you must first confess your sin.

God is reaching out to the world through his word jesus.

Mintayo: I pray that Nigeria will not be like them. Bcus d way we christains are behving,our negligence and our insensitivity may play a hard one on us. An average muslim is thinking of how to convert for allah,kill for allah whil an average christain is thinking abt money,money and money,the faster we rise up the better for us. We rise up daily in disunity abusing CAN and ourselves,while muslims are working tirelessly to make Nigeria a muslim state. I have an audio of muslims agenda for Nigeria,and the demons in these ppl will not rest until we all become muslims or die while Ignoring,Christains shld arise in Love, in prayers and be sensitive too. Satan knows his time is up and he is working tirelessly,its just so sad tht he has found islam as a tool! May God help us.

thank you my brother, you are right.first they will come to you with Soooo much love but when you convert, as far as they are concern, you don't exist.i'v seen a christian brother convert to muslim just because of money, some month back, everytin just happen Soo fast, his business fall all the money just disappear, he start behave like abnormal person,all the muslim that branwash him abandon him, the moment pastor pray for him, he was heal and he convert back to christianity,all the money he lost, God bless him with more.

LagosShia: and Jesus (as) also said this about so called Christians who cannot allow others be in peace from their bible-thumping fanaticism:

Matthew 7:21-23

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

I don't know about other's christians, as for me , I don't disturb I PREACH THE GOOD NEWS, it only a worrisome heart will see it as a disturb.

Yes,many false prophet will rise up in the name of jesus, performing miracle,but know ye this that the man of sin cannot dwell in the world of truth,sin will abound , the love of many will wax cold, then the man of sin will bring seducing doctrine just to bring peace,but bible say "when the say peace then sudden destruction came upon them"
Anyway ,thank you for your time.

Rilwayne001: Gibberish as usual

has anytin ever make sense to you? Do you want to give your life to christ? Call on Him and He will answer.

LagosShia: the Holy Qur'an calls Jesus (as) "son of Mary".

get your facts straight. all these half-truths and twisting of facts are what makes you sound exactly like that man on the video that is sending your likes into a frenzy.



ok. we Muslims believe in him, and the claims made by that man in the video is enough evidence for you to know that. as for our differnces with mainstream christianity of modern times, even christian sects differ on certain beliefs regarding Jesus (as), and earlier on, the sects that differed on him sharply were many. most of the differences we have with Christians today were existent among christians in the early days of christianity. christians differed about deifying Jesus (as), his divine "sonship", his alleged crucifixion and resurrection, and even his virgin birth. so dont blame us much. if catholicism thumped one version to be adopted and became mainstream, then it is not because Jesus (as) really preached the version of christianity prevalent today. it is simply because this version was what was adopted by the majority and agreed upon by early church fathers and the many councils they orchestrated to debate, vote and adopt certain beliefs and scriptures and to reject others.

ok, sorry, I made a mistake for sayin that about the quran,nonetheless in what culture is a man address by his mother name? In many verse in the bible jesus was sayin "the son of man".

Yes muslim believe in jesus, but the bible say even satan believe in him, those that make satan godly? [Godforbid] no, you need to confess Him.

BabaGnoni: Jesus left on the third day (i.e. the following day the messenger delivered the message) and got there the next day (i.e. on the fourth day)
- It takes a day to make the journey malvisguy212

You and that endtimeharvest website are put apples and oranges together with that John 11:6 verse
It is not related and has no relevance to the picture you both are painting
No doubt, we are in the end times but bringing John 11:6 into it kinks or skews the picture a bit

ok. maby I read to much,but one thing for sure, I know were am heading to with the exergies.

LagosShia: the Quran, no where, does not call him "son of Joseph". there are Christians who doubt the miraculous birth of Jesus that is affirmed in the Holy Quran.

now you are drifting the topic from believing Jesus is "god" to why we must believe in his "salvation through blood".

the point again: whether Adam "fell of glory", as per Christianity, or not, is not my topic. the point is God made both Jesus and Adam in the same manner. does that manner qualify either of them to be "gods"? you said yes. that is fine. the next question would be when Jesus "the perfect man" was on earth as a product of God's word, could God have made a dozen more men like Jesus and Adam? i am sure you will agree that God can make many more like Jesus, and the word of God which is abstract, is not limited to only one being. so in that case, you would have to adopt many "gods" and this goes contrary to Jesus pronouncement: "the Lord our God is one". otherwise, being created in "God's image" doesn't elevate you to the status of being worshiped, or else you can as well worship me because you can say we are all created in God's image. the point again: Jesus, as Adam and many other that God can make in the same manner, can be called "word/spirit of God", but the "word/spirit" of God is not Jesus. the word/spirit are abstract concepts of God's infinite power that He uses to create. the title is figurative when given to a man who was the in the first place a product/creation of God's power.

quran called jesus son of man, who was the man? If is not joseph then it God.

jesus said except a seed of wheat fall to the ground and dies, it remain alone, but if it dies and decompose it bring much fruit. jesus is the seed, if you believe in him you will be like him because just like the fruit, a seed of corn cannot produce millet.BELIEVING IN JESUS MAKE YOU LIKE HIM. Even jesus say" ye are god"bein god dos not make you the I AM THAT I AM, it make you godliness.

BabaGnoni: What has "Are you a christian?" got to do with this? https://s11.postimg.org/nxknz4ob3/speechless_smiley_040.gif https://s11.postimg.org/nxknz4ob3/speechless_smiley_040.gif https://s11.postimg.org/nxknz4ob3/speechless_smiley_040.gif
Is this going to turn into a Paul-Agrippa kind?

I wanted to know who am chatin with, is the question to hard to answer??anyway fill free not to tell me, it alright.

BabaGnoni: This is the point and the answer to the above is in the below verses:
⁹Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours of daylight? Anyone who walks in the daytime will not stumble, for they see by this world’s light.
¹⁰It is when a person walks at night that they stumble, for they have no light.”
- John 11:9-10 NIV

Jesus did not want to travel at night (i.e. that was the cause of the delay, nothing about trying to say something at all and besides Lazarus was already sleeping and He knows He can and will wake him up)

that is what you believe ,that jesus don't want to travel by night,if jesus would travel by night, will he waited for two days?somtin is not right here,he KNOW that the authority sought to stone him, why dint he travel by night were they would have been sleeping?I REAPET HE KNOW WHAT HE WAS DOIN.he want us to know somtin.

BabaGnoni: This is the point and the answer to the above is in the below verses:
⁹Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours of daylight? Anyone who walks in the daytime will not stumble, for they see by this world’s light.
¹⁰It is when a person walks at night that they stumble, for they have no light.”
- John 11:9-10 NIV

Jesus did not want to travel at night (i.e. that was the cause of the delay, nothing about trying to say something at all and besides Lazarus was already sleeping and He knows He can and will wake him up)

you dint answer my question, are you christian?

BabaGnoni: ^^^
That is exactly the point I wanted realised.
On the day Jesus got the message about Lazarus' sickness, Lazarus was already dead, so there was no need for Jesus to head or rush back. This fact means linking the 2 days - two thousand years doesn't add up and holds no water with the picture painted in your original post. Leave this part off and it makes it a bit more credible or believable.

Here is the breakdown:
Day 1: Mary & Sister sends out message to Jesus
Day 1: Messenger leaves to deliver message to Jesus. It will take messenger a day to reach Jesus.
Day 1: Lazarus unbeknown to messenger has died
Day 2: Messenger delivers message to Jesus that Lazarus is sick
Day 2: Jesus received but knows already that Lazarus is dead.
Day 2: Jesus waits 2 days before heading to Lazarus' place. In the 2 days waitingi, it will take a day to get to Lazarus' place
Day 4: on getting at Lazarus' place, it is confirmed Lazarus was dead four days ago.

So the 2 days waiting has no relevance or any place to be related in the picture your post and Mr Clayton G's was painting.

You guys are drawing line on dots made up which aren't related to the picture you were painting.

ok, I understand your point now,here is the fact:jesus had a good relationship with the family because the news say"lazarus whom you loved is sick"this mean he has a good relationship with the family,isn't it obvious that you know that someone you love so much has died , but you still waited for two days before goin?what dos dis mean? It mean, even if isreal were in tears, God will still Wait for two days[or two thousand years] before he reach out to them, God will not change his revelation.

Jesus knows that lazarus his dead before the messenger arrive,that mean jesus suppose to know that he will raise him from dead, the question is why did he wait for two days to raise someone he love so much? Strange isn't it? Yeah, HE KNOW WHAT HE WAS DOING.thank you.

Are you a christian?