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musKeeto: Matthew 19


To those who are fervent supporters of the prosperity gospel, how does this verse fit into your 'prosperity theology'?

Though the Lord Jesus Christ was rich, yet for your sake He became poor, that you through His poverty might become rich" (2 Cor.8:9). Christ became poor for us, that we might become rich IN HIM. The poverty and wealth spoken of in this verse could be taken spiritually. But the context in which the verse appears indicates that the Holy Spirit is speaking of material poverty and material riches as well. What does it mean "to be rich"? It does not mean having plenty of money and property, but rather having enough to meet our needs and some extra to help and bless others with. Being rich is described in Revelation 3:17 as "having need of nothing". That is how God is rich. God does not have silver or gold or a bank account or even a wallet. But He has need of nothing. Jesus was not poor when He was on earth, for He had "need of nothing". He could even provide a meal once for about 10,000 people - 5000 men, and a number of women and children (Matt.14:21). Only a rich man could do that! He had enough money to pay His taxes (Matt.17:27). He never had to borrow money from anyone at any time. And He even had enough money to give to the poor ( John 13:29). Jesus once said, "The poor you have with you always, but you do not always have Me" (Matt.26:11). There He contrasted Himself with the poor. On another occasion, when Jesus told a rich young ruler to give all his money to the poor, Jesus was certainly not including Himself also among the poor to whom the money was to be given!! No. It is clear that Jesus was rich when He was on earth in this sense: He lacked nothing. The early apostles too were not poor. When they told the believers "to remember the poor" (Gal.2:10), they were not asking the believers to remember them!! No. Those apostles may not have had silver and gold (Acts 3:6). But they had all that they needed. In this way they were rich like their Master before them. That is how God wants us to be rich too. But we see that Jesus did become poor when he hung on the cross. A poor man is described in the New Testament as one who has "threadbare clothing" (Jas.2:2). The poorest beggar we have seen usually has at least a torn rag around his body. But Jesus did not have even that when He
was crucified. He was stripped naked and
crucified. He really became poor for our sakes, when He was crucified. Jesus became poor on the cross, so that we might become rich - or in other words, that we might have "need of nothing" in our lives. God has not promised to give us all that we want, but all that we need (Phil.4:19). Wise parents do not give their children all that they want or ask for, but only all that they need. So with God too. The old covenant promised earthly wealth to those who obeyed the Law. But under the new covenant, God promises that if we seek His kingdom first and His righteousness, He will give us something even better: Everything that we need for life on this earth (Matt.6:33; see also 2 Pet.1:4). The Bible clearly teaches that riches are both deceitful and uncertain (Matt.13:22; 1 Tim.6:17). So it is dangerous to desire riches or to long to have more and more money (1 Tim.6:10). But God's promise is something far more glorious: He will always give us "all that we need, according to his riches in glory IN Christ Jesus" (Phil.4:19). Do you find you cannot make ends meet with the salary that you earn? Since God draws everyone's financial boundaries, it is impossible for Him not to give His children enough for their earthly needs. Your lack must then be because the blessing of God is not on your life. Maybe you are lazy, or wasting money, or living in a selfish way, violating God's laws. If you are rich towards God, God will be rich towards you as well. Let me tell you the good news of the gospel: It is not God's will that His children should live with constant financial lack in their earthly lives. However high the cost of living may be, those who seek the kingdom of God and His righteousness first in their lives will always find that their earthly needs are met. If that does not happen, we would have to say that Jesus was a liar - for that is what He clearly promised (Matt. 6:33). Jesus became poor - so that we might be rich. So we need never live with a lack in our lives. We need have no fear about the
future - either for ourselves or for our children. Jesus has purchased the provision of every earthly need for us and our family-members - on the cross. Unfortunately, money-loving preachers (especially in the last thirty years or so) have exaggerated and misunderstood this truth and turned it into an excuse to preach a "prosperity-gospel" - teaching that Jesus came to make us wealthy millionaires. That is a falsehood and a misrepresentation of the truth. God has not promised us wealth in the new covenant, but something far better - all that we need.

tola9ja. Read this.

Who say Quran is God's words ?I believe
Quran is not God's words but the words of
Muhammad. What make me say this?
Iam a Christian that believed in searching
for the truth as a way of salvation.
Actually, i believed in Bible but i still want to learn about Islam. In quest for this, i
read the English Quran to see if its a true
book of God. On 24 of July 2014 i finished
the reading of Quran without Saadah and
these were what i discoverd that made
me says Quran is not the words of God but the worlds of Muhammad.
1.If you have read the Bible before and
you really understood what you read you
would agree with me that Quran isn't
God's words because it is not sound like
words of God. The Quran used the pronoun such as our, we, he when refers
to Allah.To me,Quran sound like words of
advice or explanatory words rather than
the report speech that it should be.Look
at this statement from Quran and tell if it
sound like Allah's words or report speech " This Quran is not such as can be
produced by other than Allah, on the
contrary it is a comfirmation of
(revelation) that went before it and a
fuller explanation of the book where in
there is no doubt it from the lord of the world " (Yunus 4:37)
whose statement is the above statement?
Even, if it is God's words, why would God
commends Quran to the extence of saying
" there is no doubt its from the lord of
world" who is doubting? Who is speaking ?Who is the lord of the world?
Also look at this
Or do they say " he forged it" say bring
then a surah like unto it and call ( to your
aid) any one you can beside Allah if it be
ye speak the truth" (Yunus 4:38) was/is Allah in arguement with the
people he created?
Another
Has the story of Moses reached thee?
(Those who pull out 2:15)
was Allah questioned Muhammad or Muhammad questioned people?
2 the Muslims claimed that Muhammad
was not a learner and that Angel Gabriel
appeard to him and asked him to read.
That is the only time Muhammad claimed
he saw an Angel. Muhammad claimed that, he was not a learner and that people
said "he forged Quran and the people
they are pointing to that he teaches him
(Muhammed) was christian but he does
not understand arab"
In another verse of Quran he says, the christians had testified to Quran that it is
like the other books that Allah sent and if
people doubted it they should ask them
(christians)
Muhammed heard the Christians when
they said Quran is like other books revealed by Allah, but Quran does not say
the language in which they
communicated to Muhammad. These
shows that Muhammad had Christians
around him when he was alive and they
can communicate with him. Muhammed claimed he received
messages through inspiration
" say iam man like you it reveal to me
through inspiration that your God is one
God" (Ha Him 1:6)
" Allah sent his Spirit of inspiration to all his servant" (The believer 2:15)
the definition of inspire is to fill with the
urge to do something or to creat a filling
in a person according to dictionary
meaning
i believed many things we human being are doing in life are by inspiration. The
authors can not write a book if not by
inspiration, the musicians cannot write
music without been inspired, when you
are inspired by the beauty of woman you
can write poem . The woman who said she was God, what inspired her?
Inspiraton required deep thought.
Muhammed source of inspiration cannot
be verified or confirmed. When God
speaks to Moses Moses heard his voice,
the Isaelite during the Moses time heard the voice of God, Samuel heard his
voice ,God speaks to some prophets in
their dreams, some of the prophets heard
the words of God and they were inspired
by Holy Spirit to say what they heard. The
apostles were inspired by Holy Spirit. How dn we know they were Inspired by Holy
Spirit? We know because they revealed
the hidden truths in the scripture. The
Bible told us of sarmaritan Queen who
was reading Scripture from the book of
Isaiah but did not understand what she was reading but Philip with the help of
Holy Spirit was able to explain it to her
and his explanation match with what was
happened .Paul with the help of holy
Spirit was able to explain how Jesus died
for our sins in accordance with the scripture but Muhammed's inspiration
denied others prophets writtings. Muslims
should tell us why they believed in
Muhammed's source of inspiration?
3 Muhammed desires and intetions were
what Muhammed made to be the words of Allah - Muslims said Muhammed was
not speak of his own desire but what
Allah revealed to him but the Quran and
Hadith proved this wrong. Because
Muhammed speaks of his own desires,
that is what make Quran useless without Hadith. Its the hadith that explained
Quran. is it surpose to be like that? Hadith
that is words of men explained Quran
that is the words of God. and the Quran is
said to be the book that Allah sent down.
That is funny. Look at this verse of Quran. " O ye who believe! Enter not the prophet
house until leave (permission) is given
you. For a meal (and then) not (so early
as) to wait for it preparation but when
you are invited, enter: and when you have
taken your meal, disperse, without seeking familiar talk such (behavious)
annoyed the prophet: he is shy to dismiss
you but Allah is not shy (to tell you) the
truth.And when you ask (his ladies for
anything ye want ask them from before a
screen that make for a greater purity for your hearts and for their. Non is it right
for you that ye should annoy Allah
messenger, or you should married is
widows after him at a time. Truely such a
thing is in Allah sight an enormity " ( the
Allies 6:53 i think the above issue should be the
decission of Muhammed alone .why did
Muhammed have to involve Allah. To me
Muhammed lied against Allah.He was shy
to tell them that he does not like their
behavious and he knows that if he speaks in Allah's name to them, they would fear
and not see him as a man with bad
temper.
Humm! He married so many widows in
the name of been nice to them but, he
does not want any man to share of his wife even when they become widows.
Hadith gave many accounts of Muhammed
using his intentions and desires to be the
words of Allah. The verse on his adopted
child (Saheed) was his desire, verse on
woman Muhammed could married (Zainab) was his desire ,the facing of
mecca(kaaba) when praying was his
desire, the Satanic verses (to unite his
tribe) was his desire and many more.
Allah in Quran always sent verses of
Quran in favour of Muhammed. what a lie !
4. No Hadith no Islam - Quran is not in
detail ,it will leave us with qestions when
reading it without knowlege of Hadith.
many of the doctrines of Islam are based
on Hadith, what would Muslims use to preach without Hadith? which prayer do
Muslims have to use without hadith?Let
take this for example.
There is no where in Quran that mention
or list 99 names of Allah. What Quran says
in similar to that is that, we should call Allah all the beautiful names we know. If
this should be the case, then, the names
of Allah can be more than 99.
Hadiths are useful in Islam , also they
exposed the lies of Muhammed. That is
why Muslims called some hadiths fabricated Hadith and Some Authentic
Hadiths. Many of the writters of Authentic
Hadith were also the Writers of
Fabricated Hadiths even Aisa one of the
prophet wives fabricates words. Who do
we have to trust? 5 Repetitions in Quran- if repetitions are
to be removed from Quran, i think the
suras would remain in Quran should not
be more than five suras. Why would God
continued to repeat thesame words in so
many times? If Muhammed was not have intention to make Quran look like Bible
why repetitions of words? What was the
idea behind the title of each Suras if
Muhammed was not jealous of Jew and
envey of Bible? If Quran is really God's
words,i think the title of Quran suras should be Muhammad like
Isaiah,Jerimaiah in Bible.Did God/ Allah
tells Muhammed to use those titles for
Quran's Suras?
Take notice of repetitions in Quran when
next you are reading it,you we understand what i mean.
We are still on repetition in Quran. I
found something funny in Quran and i
want the Muslims on this thread to tell me
if it was person that transliterated the
Quran i read that made the Mistake or not.What i found was that,The sura
Sandhills and Sura Muhammed has
thesame content also Sura The
Banishment and Sura The Examine One
was thesame in content.
If it was not mistaken,should what God sent down be like that?Who made that
mistakes God or Muhammed or those that
compiled it?
6.Sura the Cave -Muhammed was not
certain of the numbers of the Youth in
the story of the cave.He said "... some say they were three the dog be
the fourth among them, other say they
were five, the dog being the six doubtfully
quessing at unknown (yet others) say they
were seven the dog being the eight.Say
then my lord knoweth best their number.It is but few that knows there
(real case) Enter not into controversies
concerning them ,except on matter that is
clear,nor consult any of them about (the
affair of) the sleepers. The Cave 3: 22
what does Muhammed mean by"some" is it not Allah that revealed the story to
him? Why not knowing the numbers of
the youth in the cave?"my lord knoweth
best their numbers" those words shows
that it was'nt God that revealed the story
to Muhammed. I trust my God, God of Abraham, God that reavealed the dream
of Pharao to Joseph wthout go and come,
he revealed the dream of
Nheibuckadinazary to Daniel
I heard that the story was asked to test
the prophethood of Muhammed and it took Muhammed fifteen (15) good days to
answer and when he answerd see what
he was saying. Why can't Muhammed be
sured of their numbers?
7. 'They ask you about this , Say..... ' - I
hate that statement in Quran. Is Allah or Muhammed teaching his followers how to
tackle Christians and Jews? This shows
that Muhammed knows himself to be a
liar.
8. The Quran made mentioned of these
prophets. Adam, Noah, Abraham, Lot, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph and his eleven
brothers(not by names) Moses, Aaron,
Zakariah( John the Baptize's father) ,
Elias,David Solomon, John the Baptize,
Jesus. To confirme the Scripure that was
sent before Quran but Allah /Quran/ Muhammed did not make mention of
Many prophets such as Isaiah, Jeremaiah,
Ezeikel, Nehemaiah, Malachi,
Zechariah ,Amos. Were they not Prophet
of God?
Allah /Quran/ Muhammed tells the Stories of Adam, Abraham, Mose Aaron And
Pharao, the Thamud ,add, Sodom and
Gomarah, Mary, John the Baptize ,Jesus ,to
confirm scripture before Quran but what
about the prophecies of the above
prophets that Quran did not mention were they not from God? And if Muslims
would talk , they would say Quran is not a
story book.
9. The parables in Quran- cannot be
compared with Bible's parable . How
could God almighty gives those childish tale as parable. It proved Muhammed to
be a liar.
10. Muhamned the loveth prophet of
Allah, whose Allah has forgiven his past,
the present, and the future sins. The man
that would interceed for Muslims on the day of judgement. The man who knows
what God would say on the day of
Judgement and how God would judged
the sinner.
I just can fathom why Muhammed
deserved the merit he gave to himself over other prophets.
In a nutshell, Muhammed was self
proclaimed prophet that envey the Jews
because both arab and Jew were
decsendants of Abraham. He created his
religion to save arab of shame of not having a single prophet.

tola9ja: 1. God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6
2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48
3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
4. God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
5. God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28
6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
things
Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19
9. God is unchangeable
James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changeable
Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
Ex 33:1,3,17,14
10. God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
11. God is the author of evil
Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
God is not the author of evil
1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
12. God gives freely to those who ask
James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving
them
John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17
13. God is to be found by those who seek him
Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
God is not to be found by those who seek him
Prov 1:28
14. God is warlike
Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
God is peaceful
Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33
15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious
Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
God is kind, merciful, and good
James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/
1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8
16. God's anger is fierce and endures long
Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4
God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute
Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5
17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings,
sacrifices ,and holy days
Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9
God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings,
sacrifices, and holy days.
Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12
18. God accepts human sacrifices
2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39
God forbids human sacrifice
Deut 12:30,31
19. God tempts men
Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13
God tempts no man
James 1:13
20. God cannot lie
Heb 6:18
God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits t deceive
2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9
21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him
Gen 6:5,7
Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him
Gen 8:21
22. God's attributes are revealed in his works.
Rom 1:20
God's attributes cannot be discovered
Job 11:7/ Is 40:28


pls anything to say about these?

give me one verse where God contradict himself.

Sirniyeh: .
The same process that formed you did my own. I'm not different in formation. The spirit in you is the God. The word from your mouth is the word of God. If it produces good fruit it becomes holy

you mean the word from my mouth is the word of God? Bible say"it was not what go into a man that defies a man, but what comes out of him" so now you mean the word that comes out of my mouth is the word of God? Maby, the way you define god, his not holy, because man has a sinful nature now if what comes out of a man is the word of God, those that mean God is not holy? [Godforbid].


I will agree with you that man is god according to Genesis1:27, but when man sin, he lost the godliness in him. That is why jesus was born of the spirit of God, so that man can adopt back the nature of godliness through jesus.

Sirniyeh: Dear Brethren,
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It's indeed a privilege to present this discussion to Christians all around the world for the renewal and rehabilitation of our obsessed minds about bible.
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For years that I have being reading bible, I've never for one day be convinced on why it is called HOLY BIBLE. Maybe someone will help me out here..
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Please before you all cruxify me, kindly give my reasons second thought.
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The word bible in hebrew means BOOK. The BOOK of books, a collection of writtings from 40 different people. And they all comprised of historic narrations of 40 generations.
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Didactically, I tried to reason out what is so special or important about bible but no one to convince me. Rather I see Nigeria atmosphere awashed with the application of this bible to enslave the human potentials, to the extent people have no more freedom of thinking without quoting bible.
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The question is, DID JESUS CARRY BIBLE? Did Jesus use car? Did Jesus wear suit? Did Jesus use phone? Did Jesus know computer?
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This means the historical accounts in the bible were written as at the time of little or limited innovation. Moses who penned the world history was born 2,500 years after the creation. Moses initiated the use of Talisman and still became the friend of God. He performed lots of miracles.
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Facts remain that there is no story narrated in the bible that we have never experienced similar cases even in our Nigeria. There is no any singular miracle Jesus performed that had never been performed in Nigeria. What now makes it holy that lots of people carry it in their hands for prayer? Some place it under pillow to avoid nightmare!
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Should we all decide to collate all miracles that had been performed in Nigeria into a singular book, what name shall we call it? Do you think if such book is taken to western world they will accept it?
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This thread is not meant to ridicule any person but a platform to share knowledge to rehabilitate our minds.
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We challenge all pastors and bible belivers to convince with comprehensive facts that make bible a holy book!
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God bless all!

well, I don't know were you guys come from, let me not say to much.when they say WORD OF GOD, what dos it mean? Is the word OF GOD not holy?

onetrack: I don't think Jesus made that claim anyway. I believe that he really thought he was going to free the Jews from the Romans within his lifetime. When the Romans put him to death I think he was genuinely surprised to find out that he wasn't the messiah. The notion of a messiah coming is all mythology anyway...

the jew expect the messiah to restore the kingdom to them, they thought the messiah will fight war and restore the kingdom to them. Read acts1:6-8."6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, LORD WILL THOU AT THIS TIME RESTORE THE KINGDOM BACK TO
ISREAL? 7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which
the Father hath put in his own power. 8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye
shall be witnesses unto me both in
Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in
Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of
the earth.notice the reply of jesus, meaning God will use them to reach out to the world through the new testament church. But the jew don't understand it, they want to rule as God chosen nation, that is why they reject jesus.only one disciple know who jesus realy is, that was peter.

macof: I never said Yahweh doesn't exist. The deal here is where I know the true nature of Yahweh as it was in the old days of Canaanland, you have fallen victim to several lies Jews have been peddling over the last 2500yrs...and this is simply because you don't have the basic urge to read books (including ur Bible), travel around and ask questions, all you lost Christians do is listen to your criminal pastors.

Samaritans are still existing, remnants of these canaanite tribes still exist. Yahweh isn't the only God, this idea was a racist act by Jews of 500BC after the return from Babylon. Yahweh is God of mountains
That is why in many parts the Bible the God of Israel is seen to be at his best on mountains

I never say cannanitie and the ammorite dint exist, they do the simple question is, why is there land been taken?they are in isreal, yes, but were is there land? Isreal,why did they allow isreal to possessed there land? the answer is,God give the israelites there land. Simple, know doubt your question has been answer.

If you don't believe in the bible, well that your problem, one thing for sure, GOD HAS BEEN REAVELING HIMSELF TO THOUSAND UPON THOUSAND,EITHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, YOU WILL FACE JUDGEMENT WHEN YOU DIE, BUT ME I DO NOT HAVE ANYTIN TO FEAR IF I DO NOT WORSHIP YOUR IDOL. Thank you for you time.

macof: Bro I wouldn't like to shift to history outside the Bible, because the name Yahweh doesn't exist outside the Bible
Show us where Yahweh drove out the people of the valley...it's that simple

If you want to say descendants of those people aren't still existing today in that valley.
You should see this - http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Valley_(Middle_East)

I would also like you to know that many of today's Israelis are mixed
with Samaritans claiming to be the only pure Hebrews

So Where is the preservation you talk of?

sayin Yaweh dosent exist is like an athiest sayin God dos not exist.

know doubt they exist because satan will do his best to preserve his children, but know this, why is the land been name after the house of jacob[isreal]?since it is there land, why the land has not been name cannan as it was from the beginning until when God told them[the israelites] to take land? As my brother truthman said, let me not was my time.

Am not an educated boy, I drop out of school, long story, but when am in school, I did very well, but you, an educated fellow allow ignorance to blind him, Soooo sad, anyway, thank you for you time.

By the way, the christian in Yoruba land, were your pagan god is from, why is the christian population much more than your pagan god? Or is your god still sleeping?

macof: You do realize most clans in today's Israel are mixed, mixed with Canaanites, mixed with East Europeans. and there are still some pure Canaanites in Palestine and Jordan (I think pagan 9ja would know more about this)
It would surprise you to know that Samaritans are pure Hebrews yet the so called "Jews" of greater Israel never considered them such, even ur Jesus was bigoted against them

So where's the grand preservation of Yahweh??

you don't even know what you are talkin,the land isreal possessed now, is it not the land of the cannanitie? Where is there iron chriote, why they did not use it to fight the present israelites? God preserve the israelites but destroyed the cannanitie. If you meet a cannanitie, ask him about his land.

Angel196: Well u have never came across any doesn't mean they don't exist. I belong to many religious debate groups on facebook n i've come across many christians who go as far as calling other christians with different faiths disbelievers. I've come across many who say mary is greater than god cos she's the mother of god n deserves to be worshipped. I don't say something i've never came in contact with

you are a lier, mary is favour, not god, can you show me were the bible say mary is god?

macof: Pls address all of my posts.
1. Show us where Yahweh drove out inhabitants of the plains
2. is Judges 1:19 an error from the holy spirit??

So we can move forward, it's all on you now to defend the Christian claims


Smh.
you are only ignorant, it's more than clear as you don't know difference between Ogun and Sango yet you come.talking about who Sango is as if you know anything about that Name and what it represents

@bold. You are a hypocrite. Your Lord and master Jesus was born a man like every other man and you compare him to God...no! No! You call him God
And you here having a problem with calling a man a God(which I never did) when you do exactly that


Sorry your father Satan/Devil doesn't existexist

judges 1:19.1:9-20 The Canaanites had iron chariots;
but Israel had God on their side, whose
chariots are thousands of angels, Ps
68:17. Yet they suffered their fears to
prevail against their faith. About Caleb
we read in Jos 15:16-19. The Kenites had settled in the land. Israel let them fix
where they pleased, being a quiet,
contented people. They that molested
none, were molested by none. Blessed
are the meek, for they shall inherit the
earth.Notwithstanding were are the cannanitie and the ammorite?these are isreal enemy, they were no where to be found, but uptill today, you will always here isreal,why? Because they are God chosen people, the book of hosea chapter 2, God say he will scatter isreal after two days[two days is the same as two thousand year in God calendar, 2peter2:8, psalm90]and on the third day he will gather isreal,why? Because God want to reach out to the rest of the world through the new testament church with he did, in the year 1900 there is no nation of isreal, but in the year 1948,the scatter isrea became a nation. God preserved them, but the same cannanitie in the book of judges1:19 was not preserved.

Truthman2012. Has already give you the answer .

babyosisi: The woman looks like a gay woman while at Sanford
Not the hijabi being portrayed

God bless you lady.

Missy89: Lol.
why are you angry nah? i was expecting an answer not SO WHAT!
You are trying to get out of the corner you just found yourself.
God gave me my brain so that i can think with it and that exactly what i am doing.
But like i said earlier. there is no harm in being a Christian. If it works for you, enjoy it

if it seem to you that am angry, o woman, you are Soo wrong,I wish you know me more. I do not ask you to be a christian, it is not my issue, it between you and God,my own is to make sure the gospel reach the entire world and then the end will come.

tola9ja: CLARIFY YOURSELF YOU THAT YOU ARE SPIRITUALLY WAKE INTERPRET IT FOR US IMAGINE GOD SAY RUMOUR

1corinthians1:18.For the message of the cross is
foolishness to those who are perishing,
but to us who are being saved it is the
power of God.

Verses 18-25. - The nature of true
Christian preaching. Verse 18. - For the
preaching of the cross; rather, the word
of the cross. To them that are perishing;
rather, to the perishing; to all those who
are now walking in the paths that lead to destruction (2 Corinthians 2:15). To them it was foolishness, because it
requires spiritual discernment (1 Corinthians 2:14); and, on the other hand, human wisdom is foolishness with God
(1 Corinthians 3:19). Foolishness. It shows the heroic character of the faith
of St. Paul that he deliberately preached
the doctrine of the cross because he felt
that therein lay the conversion and
salvation of the world, although he was
well aware that he could preach no truth so certain at first to revolt the
unregenerate hearts of his hearers. To
the Jews "the cross" was the tree of
shame and horror; and a crucified person
was "accursed of God" (Deuteronomy 21:23; Galatians 3:13). To the Greeks the cross was the gibbet of a slave's infamy
and a murderer's punishment. There was
not a single association connected with
it except those of shame and agony. The
thought of "a crucified Messiah" seemed
to the Jews a revolting folly; the worship of a crucified malefactor seemed to the
Greeks "an execrable
superstition" (Tacitus, 'Ann.,' 15:44; Pliny,
'Epp.' 10:97); yet so little did St. Paul seek
for popularity or immediate success, that
this was the very doctrine which he put in the forefront, even at a city so refined
and so voluptuous as Corinth. And the
result proved his inspired wisdom. That
very cross became the recognized badge
of Christianity, and when three centuries
had elapsed it was woven in gold upon the banners and set in jewels on the
diadems of the Roman empire. For had
not Christ prophesied, And I, if I be lifted
up, will draw all men unto me"? Unto us
which are being saved; who are on the
way of salvation. The same present participle is used in Luke 13:23; Acts 2:47; 2 Corinthians 2:15; Revelation 21:24. It is the power of God. Because the cross is at the heart of that gospel
which is "the power of God unto
salvation to every one that
believeth" (Romans 1:16; Romans 8:3), though many were tempted to be
ashamed of it. It could never be a carnal
weapon of warfare, and yet was mighty
for every purpose ( 2 Corinthians 10:4, 5).

tola9ja: Can god say something like these
. Malachi 2:3 behold I will rebuke your offspring and spread dung upon your faces.
Genesis 8:20-21 and the lord smelled the odour.
Obadiah1:1 we have heard a rumor from the lord.
Psalm78:65 then the lord awoke as from sleep like a strong man shouting because of wine.LOL
1st Corinthians 1:25 because of the foolishness of god is wiser than man and the weakness of god is stronger than man.
( in the book of 1st Corinthians 14:33 for God is not the author of confusion)come let us reason together

you are spiritualy dead, sorry.

Missy89: They were both different. that is why i asked which is which. because if the first was broken, the second should be the same with the first.

This was what was written in the new stones in Exodus 34:1-28

The New Stone Tablets
34 The Lord said to Moses, “Chisel out two stone tablets like the first ones, and I will write on them the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke. 2 Be ready in the morning, and then come up on Mount Sinai. Present yourself to me there on top of the mountain. 3 No one is to come with you or be seen anywhere on the mountain; not even the flocks and herds may graze in front of the mountain.”

4 So Moses chiseled out two stone tablets like the first ones and went up Mount Sinai early in the morning, as the Lord had commanded him; and he carried the two stone tablets in his hands. 5 Then the Lord came down in the cloud and stood there with him and proclaimed his name, the Lord. 6 And he passed in front of Moses, proclaiming, “The Lord, the Lord, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, 7 maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation.”

8 Moses bowed to the ground at once and worshiped. 9 “Lord,” he said, “if I have found favor in your eyes, then let the Lord go with us. Although this is a stiff-necked people, forgive our wickedness and our sin, and take us as your inheritance.”

10 Then the Lord said: “I am making a covenant with you. Before all your people I will do wonders never before done in any nation in all the world. The people you live among will see how awesome is the work that I, the Lord, will do for you. 11 Obey what I command you today. I will drive out before you the Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. 12 Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land where you are going, or they will be a snare among you. 13 Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and cut down their Asherah poles.[a] 14 Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.

15 “Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land; for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to them, they will invite you and you will eat their sacrifices. 16 And when you choose some of their daughters as wives for your sons and those daughters prostitute themselves to their gods, they will lead your sons to do the same.

17 “Do not make any idols.

18 “Celebrate the Festival of Unleavened Bread. For seven days eat bread made without yeast, as I commanded you. Do this at the appointed time in the month of Aviv, for in that month you came out of Egypt.

19 “The first offspring of every womb belongs to me, including all the firstborn males of your livestock, whether from herd or flock. 20 Redeem the firstborn donkey with a lamb, but if you do not redeem it, break its neck. Redeem all your firstborn sons.

“No one is to appear before me empty-handed.

21 “Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during the plowing season and harvest you must rest.

22 “Celebrate the Festival of Weeks with the firstfruits of the wheat harvest, and the Festival of Ingathering at the turn of the year.[b] 23 Three times a year all your men are to appear before the Sovereign Lord, the God of Israel. 24 I will drive out nations before you and enlarge your territory, and no one will covet your land when you go up three times each year to appear before the Lord your God.

25 “Do not offer the blood of a sacrifice to me along with anything containing yeast, and do not let any of the sacrifice from the Passover Festival remain until morning.

26 “Bring the best of the firstfruits of your soil to the house of the Lord your God.

“Do not cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.”

27 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.” 28 Moses was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments.

so, what your point? God gave moses the ten commandment and in exodus gave him another law,so what? Did the second law favour sinner's? The bible say"to him who know what is right and dos no do it, to him it is sin" in the ten commandment, is there anytin like "thou shall not look at a woman and lust after her in your heart?"no. But in the new testament jesus say , it wrong for a man to look at a woman and lost after her in his heart, because this law was not in the ten commandment, those that mean jesus is wrong?


Am very sad the way people interpret bible just to find excuse to abandon christianity, but know ye this that we will all face judgment, the one you pice , you will face him, anyway thank you for your time, STAY ALIVE, AMEN.

Emusan: Abi oooo my brother no wonder there's no single respond since the thread has been opened.

What grade will you give Allah for its English composition?

I will give him, the same grade with muhammad......... we all know the level of education muhammad reach.



maby muhammad and allah is the same person.

Missy89: I asked you a very simple question.

which of the 2 is the ten commandments and what is the other one all about. Instead you replied me with a novel .

i was expecting a 2-3 line answer. i am sure you can do that

exodus 20 was the first, moses broke it, is there any contradiction in the both,? Why not post it. Thank you. Stay blessed my sister.

truthman2012: God bless you bro. Good to read from you.

Satan seriously desires being worshiped and so he established so many religions to actualize his desire.

Thank God you and I know the truth - Jesus.

When last did they hear from their gods? I have heard of people who stole the image of idols and nothing happened. They have eyes but cannot see, they have ears but cannot hear.

God bless you.islam is another way satan want to you to mislead mankind in to enternal demnation,satan sink our solid foundation through adam, glory be to God, he send his only son in other for man to start his new foundation, satan try again to dececive jesus when he tempt him, glory be to God he fail, but when he come to muhammad, because muhammad was a sinner, satan succeded in deceiving him, but thank God jesus has all ready conquer satan, our foundation is in christ jesus, the sinless one.

Good to here from you, stay blessed.

LagosShia: i wont derail into another red herring. just for your info, Adam (as) was sinless. but that is another topic.

however, you have just shot yourself on the foot. if both Adam and Jesus (as), according to the Quran, were made from the spirit and word of God, and you then (ab)use that to twist Quran verses to elevate Jesus (as) to the position of a "god, and a "son of God", but you leave out Adam (as) because he is a "sinner", then you have got serious questions to answer. if being made from the spirit and word of God is enough qualification to be recognized as "God" Himself, then sorry, we Muslims do not believe in a God that can become a sinner, or in a God that satan can tempt for 40 days (Jesus was tempted as per the New testament). this goes to show that being made from God's word or spirit doesn't elevate you or Jesus or Adam (as) to become God! you can keep looking for silly points to argue over and dodge the facts because satan has licked your eyes!!!

you mean adam is sinless? This is the first time am herein this,give me verse.

tbaba1234: So at the time of the giants, there were no children of God on earth.

The israelites at the time were not 'children of God'??

So satan is not on the earth to create giants ...

Ok o!! I hear you

yes,that why eunuch was taken,bible even give the reason why eunuch was taken, because the people wickedness is to much. do you think God will send down flood on his children's ?God even give them the grace to repent but the fail to here the noah.

The man of sin cannot dwell in a world of truth, first, the righteous will be taken just like eunuch, then the man of sin will reveal himself, the son of perdition , the fallen angel.

God has destroy this world two times, first , with flood, why? Because the wickedness of man is too much.nowadays, you see wickedness is abound, just like The day of noah. Second with fire, why? Because of homosexual, nowadays, homosexual has become rampant, everytin is becoming as it was from the beginning, am not agueing with you, but am preaching,I look for option, there is know better way to defect the devil than the way of JESUS CHRIST.thank you for your time.