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Empiree: Muslims dont believe in idea of fallen Angels. Angels are created from light. Angels have no free will. Satan(Iblis) was created from smoke(fire). Satan has free will like humans. Angels do not disobey God. They worship Him around the clock.

21:20
They exalt [Him] night and day [and] do not slacken.

Sura 18:50
Sahih International
And [mention] when We said to the angels, "Prostrate to Adam," and they prostrated, except for Iblees. [b]He was of the jinn [/b]and departed from the command of his Lord. Then will you take him and his descendants as allies other than Me while they are enemies to you? Wretched it is for the wrongdoers as an exchange.

you do not know what you are saying, I don't want to go deep here, anyway thank you for your time.

tbaba1234: This is the relevant part.

So they choose not to produce giants anymore??

absolutely, because they cannot walk on the earth, this is time of the spirit of truth,when the rapture take place,all the saint including the spirit of truth will leave this earth,then satan will have to do whatever he wish to do, he may procreate, this is were the great tribulation begin. But now AS LONG AS THE CHILDREN OF GOD IS IN THE EARTH, SATAN HAS NO CHANCE TO PROCREATE.the children OF God IS the reason the spirit of truth is IN THE earth right now, but when the rapture happen, all the saint are taken,then satan will continue were he stop from the time of jesus death and resurrection.

tbaba1234: I understood you the first time

The sons mean, there was intercourse to produce them. It means fallen angels procreate.

The questions are still valid.

fallen angels still have the power to procreate,I don't want to go deep on this, but I will just drop some hint.

In the old testament, the fallen angels has the liberty to walk freely on the earth,read the story of job, you will know this, satan moves to and fro around the earth,why did God allow satan to do this?because after the fall of adam, God did not communicate with man again, He only send his prophet to deliver his message, but because satan walk to and fro on the earth, the children of isreal don't listen to the word of God,for God to communicate with man, He need to transform himself in the realm of human through jesus,the death and resurrection of jesus changes everytin,satan cannot walk on the earth freely now because the spirit of truth, the comforter dwell in us. Even if satan want to procreate again as he did before, he will not have the liberty to do that. Let me stop here.

tbaba1234: Ok thanks.

Do angels procreate or they only procreate when they are fallen?? Do they have descendants?

Are they male and female angels or do they adopt gender when they fall?

Do fallen angels still have the ability to procreate again? How come we do not have giants as tall as cedars anymore?

I understand satan is a fallen angel in christianity.

if you read the story in genesis, you will understand, the giant are not the fallen angel, THE GIANT ARE THE SON'S OF THE FALLEN ANGEL. The reason non of there root are alive is because God wipe out there entire generation with the flood,it is because of there wickedness God send down the flood.

tbaba1234: I will like you to explain this verse too:

New International Version
"Yet I destroyed the Amorites before them, though they were tall as the cedars and strong as the oaks. I destroyed their fruit above and their roots below.(Amos 2:9)

this is judgment on isreal,God is tellin isreal, what he did to the giant [readGenesis 6:1–4] that is what he will do to them if they did not stop worshiping the idols,he will destroy them as he destroyed the giant in genesis.
If you read genesis 6:1-4. The giant are the sons of falling angels.

Missy89: which one of those 2 versions in different chapters are the 10 commandments?

(Read Exodus 34:1-4) When God made man in his own image, the moral law was written in his heart, by the finger of God, without outward means. But since the covenant then made with man was broken, the Lord has used the ministry of men, both in writing the law in the Scriptures, and in writing it in the heart. When God was reconciled to the Israelites, he ordered the tables to be renewed, and wrote his law in them. Even under the gospel of peace by Christ, the moral law continues to bind believers. Though Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, yet not from the commands of it. The first and the best evidence of the pardon of sin, and peace with God, is the writing the law in the heart. (Read Exodus 34:5-9) The Lord descended by some open token of his presence and manifestation of his glory in a cloud, and thence proclaimed his NAME; that is, the perfections and character which are denoted by the name JEHOVAH. The Lord God is merciful; ready to forgive the sinner, and to relieve the needy. Gracious; kind, and ready to bestow undeserved benefits. Long- suffering; slow to anger, giving time for repentance, only punishing when it is needful. He is abundant in goodness and truth; even sinners receive the riches of his bounty abundantly, though they abuse them. All he reveals is infallible truth, all he promises is in faithfulness. Keeping mercy for thousands; he continually shows mercy to sinners, and has treasures, which cannot be exhausted, to the end of time. Forgiving iniquity, and transgression, and sin; his mercy and goodness reach to the full and free forgiveness of sin. And will by no means clear the guilty; the holiness and justice of
God are part of his goodness and love towards all his creatures. In Christ's sufferings, the Divine holiness and justice are fully shown, and the evil of sin is made known. God's forgiving mercy is always attended by his converting, sanctifying grace. None are pardoned but those who repent and forsake the allowed practice of every sin; nor shall any escape, who abuse, neglect, or despise this great salvation. Moses bowed down, and worshipped reverently. Every perfection in the name of God, the believer may plead with Him for the forgiveness of his sins, the making holy of his heart, and the enlargement of the Redeemer's kingdom (Read Exodus 34:10-17) The Israelites are commanded to destroy every monument of idolatry, however curious or costly; to refuse all alliance, friendship, or marriage with idolaters, and all idolatrous feasts; and they were reminded not with idolaters, and all idolatrous feats; and they were reminded not to repeat the crime of making molten images. Jealously is called the rage of a man, Proverbs 6:34; but in God it is holy and just displeasure. Those cannot worship God aright, who do not worship him only. (Read Exodus 34:18-27) Once a week they must rest, even in ploughing time, and in harvest. All worldly business must give way to that holy rest; even harvest work will prosper the better, for the religious observance of the sabbath day in harvest time. We must show that we prefer our communion with God, and our duty to him, before the business or the joy of harvest. Thrice a year they must appear before the Lord God, the God of Israel. Canaan was a desirable land, and the neighbouring nations were greedy; yet God says, They shall not desire it. Let us check all sinful desires against God and his glory, in our hearts, and then trust him to check all sinful desires in the hearts of others against us. The wayof duty is the way of safety. Those who venture for him never lose by him. Three feasts are here mentioned: 1. The Passover, in remembrance of the deliverance out of Egypt. 2. The feast of weeks, or the feast of Pentecost; added to it is the law of the first-fruits. 3. The feast of in-gathering, or
the feast of Tabernacles. Moses is to write these words, that the people might know them better. We can never be enough thankful to God for the written word. God would make a covenant with Israel, in Moses as a mediator. Thus the covenant of
grace is made with believers through Christ. (Read Exodus 34:28-35) Near and spiritual communion with God improves the graces of a renewed and holy character. Serious godliness puts a lustre upon a man's countenance, such as commands esteem and affection. The vail which Moses put on, marked the obscurity of that dispensation, compared with the gospel dispensation of the New Testament. It was also an emblem of the natural vail on the hearts of men respecting spiritual things. Also the vail that was and is upon the nation of Israel, which can only be taken away by the Spirit of the Lord showing to them Christ, as the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. Fear and unbelief would put the vail before us, they
would hinder our free approach to the mercy-seat above. We should spread our wants, temporal and spiritual, fully before our heavenly Father; we should tell him our hinderances, struggles, trails, and temptations; we should acknowledge our offences.

interesting. Allah is weak. Expect know reply Bros.

Missy89: Ok if you insist then.
i believe i can learn a thing or two

tell me about the 10 commandments

is it the one in Exodus 20:1-17
OR
in Exodus 34 :1-28

go straight to the point, what is it you want to know about the ten commandments?

cloudstar: You used the Bible to make a statement, so I have to use the Bible to answer your question. That’s like saying you can’t prove that the President lives in the White House by looking into the White House. It is looking into the White House that will provide the necessary proof.

I asked you a question regarding Adolf Hitler but so far you have ignored me

brother, I greet you, happy sunday, I enjoy your post as usual. May God bless you.

alcuin: Guy...Amen.

And please shut up.

because thou was an advocate Of the devil and if any thing cometh out of thin mouth is of no use to me, satan they Lord rebuke thee, get thee behind me.

Missy89: Thank you but stop preaching.
I have read the bible and i know whats in there.
What i said was i am not a member of any organized religion. that is very different from being spiritual. You can be a Christian. there is nothing wrong in that. In fact good for you!. I never questioned the reason why you choose that path.

the concept of salvation in christ is so simple to understand,I want you to know this, witou jesus, you cannot obey God. I wish I can tell you many things in this bible. Anyway, I PRAY GOD BE WITH YOU IN JESUS NAME.

cold: Guy what are you? A five year old? What's all this crap you've been spewing? I can barely make sense of anything up there

a natural mind cannot comprehend the deep thing of God. Sorry if you do not understand.

malvisguy212: CONFESSING JESUS CHRIST IS ACCEPTING THE WORD OF GOD
BECAUSE JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD, NOT
CONFESSING JESUS BUT DECIDED TO BE A
GOOD MAN, IS LIKE A MAN TELLING GOD,
"HELLOW GOD,I KNOW SATAN IS A BAD
MAN AND YOU'RE TRYING TO HELP ME, BUT GOD I DON'T NEED YOUR HELP, I CAN SAVE
MYSELF, YOU CAN KEEP YOUR WORD
[JESUS].


God created you in his image, do you know what that mean? It mean you are god, but when satan descive man, man lost the Godliness, in other for God to restore man Godliness , He has to transform Himself in the realm of Human for man to adopted back the nature of Godliness, that is why Jesus was born of the spirit of God.

There is many deep thing in the bible mankind don't know, Do you know that john the baptist was not a baptist? He only baptize to know the christ because according to the prophecy a dove will descend on Him by the time john baptize the christ,the day john see jesus HE STOP BAPTIZING. Even him john, when they ask "who are you?" he said" am the voice of one crying in the wilderness,prepaire ye the way". The bible is one of the greatest book, it is very simple to understand the context in it, but it will take a lifetime to understand THE TRUTH IN IT.thank you.

modify.

Missy89: do you have to be in any organized religion to do good? and why should anyone expect a reward for doing good?

CONFESSING JESUS CHRIST IS ACCEPTING THE WORD OF GOD
BECAUSE JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD, NOT
CONFESSING JESUS BUT DECIDED TO BE A
GOOD MAN, IS LIKE A MAN TELLING GOD,
"HELLOW GOD,I KNOW SATAN IS A BAD
MAN AND YOU'RE TRYING TO HELP ME, BUT GOD I DON'T NEED YOUR HELP, I CAN SAVE
MYSELF, YOU CAN KEEP YOUR WORD
[JESUS].


God created you in his image, do you know what that mean? It mean you are god, but when satan descive man, man lost the Godliness, in other for God to restore man Godliness , He has to transform Himself in the realm of Human for man to adopted back the nature of Godliness, that is why Jesus was born of the spirit of God.

There is many deep thing in the bible mankind don't know, Do you know that john the baptist was not a baptist? He only baptize to know the christ because according to the prophecy a dove will descend on Him by the time john baptize the christ,the day john see jesus HE STOP BAPTIZING. Even him john, when they ask "who are you?" he said" am the voice of one crying in the wilderness,prepaire ye the way". The bible is one of the greatest book, it is very simple to understand the context in it, but it will take a lifetime to understand THE TRUTH IN IT.thank you.

Missy89: none of the above

ok, you just set your own rule to worship God, trying ur own best to look for God just like the tower of babel, my good friend it will be an uphill task for you to find God, first YOU MUST OBEY IS WORD[JESUS] and then HE WILL COME TO YOU.

To know more who jesus is. Read colossians 2.

Missy89: none of the above

ok, you just set your own rule to worship God, trying ur own best to look for God just like the tower of babel, my good friend it will be an uphill task for you to find God, first YOU MUST OBEY IS WORD[JESUS] and then HE WILL COME TO YOU.

Missy89: do you have to be in any organized religion to do good? and why should anyone expect a reward for doing good?

God did not ask us to belong to a religion group, he created man all he could ever wish for.religion is like a father give condition to his children before he will love them,but christianity is God reach out for man, david was in the bush when God called him,moses was in the wilderness when God called him, the list go on.

The context of my question is about eternity,from ages to ages, man look for his own idea to worship God. You don't chose for God, HE IS THE ONE THAT WILL DIRECT YOU.the first thing you ought to do is to obey his word[jesus].

plaetton: All the above are conjectures that completely dodges the question.

correct me if am wrong, you ask the question" where is hell in the scripture"you were giving the answer, and now you are saying, we are dodging your question. Anyway, thank you for your time,happy sunday.

abubello: more contradictions:

In describing Jesus being led to his execution, John 19:17 recounts that he carried his own cross. But Mark 15:21-23 disagrees by saying a man called Simon carried the cross.

5. As for the crucifixion, Matthew 27:44 tells us Jesus was taunted by both criminals who were being crucified with him. But Luke 23:39-43 relates that only one of the criminals taunted Jesus, the other criminal rebuked the one who was doing the taunting, and Jesus told the criminal who was defending him, "Today shalt thou be with me in paradise."

6. Regarding the last words of Jesus while on the cross, Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34 quote Jesus as crying with a loud voice, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" Luke 23:46 gives his final words as, "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit." John 19:30 alleges the last words were, "It is finished."

you should be worried because allah promise the muslims hell, is in the quran, do you want me to show you the verse?

publicenemy: we continue searching for truth.

the truth has been reveal to us, christ in us the hope of glory, to know who jesus REALY is, read colossians2.

I would'av loved it if this teaching made frontpage mynd44.

the scripture make it clear that no one
know the day or the hour of christ
return.but the bible dos say that we can
know the time and season surrounding
his comin,you may be thinkin the usual
sayin like... So because disease and immorality are running rampant and
because there are wars and rumors of
war and we have had some few
earthquake that jesus is comin soon ?
Yeah we'dav heard all that before. But
after studying the bible I discover somtin interesting about the end of days. Pleas
read.
my theory about the end of days started
when I read a verse in isaiah 46. It say
that God declare the end from the
beginning. A similar verse was in isaiah48. This lead me to the creation
story in the book of genesis. As I study
the first chapter, I began to wonder, WHY
IT TOOK GOD SIX DAYS TO CREATE THIS
WORLD AND REST ON THE SEVENTH
DAY,WHY WOULD HE TAKE SIX DAYS WHEN HE COULD HAVE CREATED THE
WORLD IN ONE SECOND, IN THE BLINK OF
AN EYE?I started studying the word"day"
and days" I discover some interesting
passages that related to this. Maby God is
indicating to us how much time man would have on earth.this is the point, the
bible especially the old testament is full
of foreshadowing. An event that actually
happen in history, also picture somtin
comin in the future. An example is the
sacrifice of abraham and isaac, that even actually happen,and it was also a picture
of what God will do to his son jesus on
the cross as an offering for the sin of the
world. Now why will God take SIX days
to create the world? Is this a picture of
somtin we need to know? I think it is. In 2peter 3:8, the context was refferin to
the second comin of jesus christ,the bible
say that a one day with they Lord is as a
thousand years and a thousand year is
like a day. Psalm 90. A thousand year in
God sight is like yesterday.so could it be that the six days of creation were yo
indicate to us the time man will spend on
this earth would be about six thousand
years?...the seventh day of rest picturing
the thousand years millennia reign, when
christ come back to set up is kingdom, the time of righteousness and peace.bible
scholar have calculate from the first man
adam to the first comin of christ to be
4000years,if that is the case then we are
could have been living at the end of what
the new testament called THE LAST DAYS.now this is the issue.God deal with
time in the bible, when God measure
time He dose so by seven.....
1.God created the world in seven days,
with the seven day bein for REST.
2according to the old testament law,the jew were commanded to REST every
SEVEN days.
3.the seventh week after the passover,
they celebrated a big feast of REST.
4.the seventh month of were perhaps the
most important when they celebrated three of there biggest feast of REST.
5.every seventh year was the year of
REST for the land.
6.every 49years ,seven times seven, they
celebrated the year of jubilee, which is a
year of REST for the land and liberty for the people.so it made perfect sense to me
that God would set up a seven thousand
year period for man to occupy the earth,
with the last thousand year being a time
of REST when jesus come back to set up
his earthly kingdom, as spoken in revelation20.I was right when I say God
deal with time he dos so by seven.the
second coming of christ is the most
important day in God's calendar , he want
us yo know the timing .
Hose was a prophet in the old testament, in verse 6 of that book , hosea talk about
isreal, God chosen nation, who was
always rejecting God.the nation was goin
to be torn apart, but verse two say" after
two days will he revive us , the third day
he will raise us up and the we shall live in his sight"what dos this mean? When
jesus come isreal reject him as there
messiah , so God scatter the nation of
isreal all over the world. For 1900 years
there is no nation of isreal but God say
after two days[ or 2000yrs] I will revive thee, and you, isreal will live in my sight:
the scatter isreal became a nation in the
year 1948.this is important because God
is reviving the nation of isreal and they
are about to live in his sight when jesus
come back to set up his earthly kingdom , have you ever meet a cannanite ? How
about the amorite? No because these are
isreal enemies and God did not preserve
them, the jew have been preserve
because they are God chosen people and
he must fulfill and keep his promise he made to them but the jew are still
rejecting christ, for how long?after two
days [or 2000years] I will revive thee and
the third day you shall live in my sight.
The second coming event are about to
begin, I see the same foreshadowing in exodus 19:11. God told isreal to clean up
and wait for two days, the third day I'm
comin down in the sight of they nation.
In john 11. Lazarus died a jew, jesus
waited for two days before he raise him
from death, this is a picture of how God is about to turn his back from isreal for the
next two thousand years [or two days]
and start reach out for the rest of the
world through the new testament church
which he did. God dint just throw this
stuff in the bible to wast space ,maby am right , maby God is tryin to tell us
somtin.in matthew17:1 say that jesus
tool peter, james and john up to the
mountain, apart from the rest, did the
thing we want to know happen up there?
Yes.jesus transfigured before them and the are giving a preview of his second
coming glory, now the first word of the
verse was "after six days" why did God
throw this in? To was space? Or is God
tryin to tell us somtin that we need to
know?note:the time from adam to jesus is 4,000years[4days] the time of the
church period is two thousand years
[2days] so could this mean after 6000yrs
[6days] God will revive isreal and fulfill
his promise he made to them? Hmmm am
I reading to much . If am right, BROTHERS WE ARE LIVING IN THE END OF DAYS.
REPENT. THANK YOU.

publicenemy: just like me ...


i think its best cos religion is all about accepting loads of crap without asking questions and i am all about the questions.

religion is man reaching out for God, but christianity is the other way round, jesus say they kingdom come, meaning he bring the kingdom adam lost back to us,

Missy89: nothing specific . my heart is secular

do you think you can bribe God with your good deed?

Missy89: lol.

This is the best you can come up with?

You are a brain dead zombie!

are you a muslim or atheist?

Ymodulus: The bible is the greatest book of fairy tales ever

the bible is the greatest book in which the context is Soo simple to understand yet it will take a lifetime to understand the truth in it.

plaetton: Meaning?
Are you trying to dodge my question.?
It was a simple and honest question.

It is important to establish who in the bible proposed the concept of hell.
Was it Jesus, Apostle Paul , a prophet or some crackpot who had a nightmare?

Therefore, your reference to hell being mentioned in the bible is meaningless unless one understand who said it, when , how and why.
This is the common sense way to understand things and events.

Infact, how God will punish sinner's in hell start from the old testament when God send brimstone and fire upon soddom and gommorah, it was because of homosexual that God destroy the city, and nowadays we see homosexual has become rampant, Give me reason why God will not use the same fire destroy the same homosexual of nowadays and Soooo many wickedness of men?

Another foreshadowing of hell is in number16:1-35. We read how the korah and his follower rebel against moses and aaron,the ground open it mouth and they were eating.

plaetton: Please put in proper contex. Who said this, to whom, when and why?
I mean, it could very well just be somebody's nightmare you just quoted above.

if you don't believe in the bible, you shouldn't have ask" where is hell in the scripture" .

PastorOluT: Yeah agreed we ought to hold on, bt that's not just all for we need to continue to fulfil the ministry of reconciling the world unto the very end that we would be taken up. We are saved to serve, though we might be limited at times and strongly persecuted, we just have to continue 'cos the spirit which is 'letting' the man of sin is still 'letting' n very much around which means sufficient grace.

NB We are not just saved to wait till we will be raptured, but to fulfil purpose as we continue to stand our ground against the enemies.

Stay blessed bro n remain rapturable

thank you for this, you are blessed already.

Rilwayne001: Malvisguy212 should come and defend yahweh here

you may defend your allah, MY GOD IS MIGHTY IN BATTLE. Even my christian brethren know that God defend is children.

Cloudstar. God bless you,base on the quran, no man can have that type of quality jesus had on the quran, it is only God that can walk the earth witou sin and performing miracle, giving life to lifeless clay.

Muhammad even disobey allah command.

LagosShia: very well versed indeed, to think that "original sin" is an Islamic concept. when you are ready to take Adam (as) as another "god" based on the Qur'an, then both of you would have a case because both Adam and Jesus (as) are "same" as per the Quran.

the quran say jesus was sinless and we all know adam is a sinner, dos that make the both of them equal?