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free2ryhme: whay shld i care

...but i know what the bible ( undisputed word of God ) is made of


The bible was written in the early ages and was influenced by the Holy Spirit.

superior1: And the pope issues you dogma and curse you if you don't believe it, no?

doclan: Finally... This is the thread I ve enjoyed the most.. Thanks to U all(NAIJADEYHIA, SUPERIOR1, MARIAGORETTI,TRY96,PHILFEARON,DEYMA, CHUKWU, FREE2RHYME.. Am sowi if I dnt list ur name, i dnt knw every1. Tanks to all contributors) U are all priceless proponent.. May God show us all the way and lets take time to read the bible with all simplicity and holy guidance.. God bless U all.

free2ryhme: Do catholics study bible

They just accept what the priest give them through the Lectionary during mass

free2ryhme: did you cross check the worship of relics in the bible ?

did you cross check the bowing down to graven images in bible..?


Did you cross check the ordination of gay priests in the bible ...?


to whom a brain in given common sense is required

caseless: my id has never been this sweet. Wont i rather bank with her(mary). How u doin,mary?

naijadeyhia: jou kwa ya o. Everyone to His own. My prayer is that your eyes of understanding be enlightened.

caseless: Maria

achi4u: lol.
Maria I so much miss you,please don't yelled to their advances.


#isi ga agbaka Torchman ugbu a#

naijadeyhia: This shows you do not understand the plan of God right from after Adam fell. Only a sacrifice in obedience would suffice and nothing else. Yes God can do anything he wants but in this case the requirement was set in stone. I suggest you do a bit of studying your bible and asking the holy spirit for insight.

naijadeyhia: This shows you do not understand the plan of God right from after Adam fell. Only a sacrifice in obedience would suffice and nothing else. Yes God can do anything he wants but in this case the requirement was set in stone. I suggest you do a bit of studying your bible and asking the holy spirit for insight.

naijadeyhia: I know who Jesus is..the question is do you?

naijadeyhia: God could not do anything he wanted without a sacrifice. God never contradicts himself. He set the pattern for atonement of sins as a yearly sacrifice of bulls and oxen in the old testament so only a sacrifice could achieve His aim and Hence the perfect sacrifice who was jesus

naijadeyhia: God could not do anything he wanted without a sacrifice. God never contradicts himself. He set the pattern for atonement of sins as a yearly sacrifice of bulls and oxen in the old testament so only a sacrifice could achieve His aim and Hence the perfect sacrifice who was jesus

naijadeyhia: [b]Do you know that in the new testament the words Son of Man was used 88 times?. In Hebrew Son of Man means Son of Adam. Many sceptical scholars believe that Jesus referred to Himself as the Son of Man, because it is unlikely to have been an invention of the early Church. For example, in the Gospels, ‘Son of Man’ is Jesus’ favourite self-designation. Yet in the epistles, it is never used of Jesus. In fact, the term appears in the New Testament only 4 times outside of the Gospels and never in extra-biblical Christian writings during the first 120 years following Jesus. The point is: How likely is it that the Church originated the title Son of Man as Jesus’ favourite self-description, when the Church itself did not refer to him in this manner?

So what did Jesus mean when He called Himself the Son of Man? Some surmise that the term places an emphasis on Jesus’ humanity compared to ‘Son of God’ which places an emphasis on His divinity. But this fails to take into account the significant historical context in which Jesus uses the term and how He understood it. How Jesus understood the term ‘Son of Man’ is important, since He used it of Himself more than any other term.

To find the answer, let us go back to the Old Testament and look at what the prophet Daniel said.

‘In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.’ (Daniel 7:13-14)

Daniel speaks of the ‘son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. . . . He was given authority, glory and sovereign power . . .’

With this in mind, consider these statements of Jesus in the New Testament Gospels:

‘For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself. And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.’ (John 5:27)

‘At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.’ (Matthew 24:30 [italics mine])

‘So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time. But in those days, following that distress, ‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ At that time men will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.’ (Mark 13:24-27)

‘At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.’ (Luke 21:27)

It seems obvious from these scriptures that when Jesus spoke of Himself as being the Son of Man, He had Daniel 7 in mind.
In addition, some first century Jews identified the Son of Man as also the Christ or Messiah.
Jesus had just spoken of His death by crucifixion as being ‘lifted up.’ The crowd responded, ‘We have heard from the Law that the Christ will remain forever, so how can you say, ‘The Son of Man must be lifted up?’ Who is this ‘Son of Man?’’
Jesus also believed the Son of Man, the Son of God, and the Messiah (Christ) were the same person. Not only did He claim to be all three separately, but in an interesting passage He responds in the affirmative to the Jewish leadership’s linking both Son of God and Christ, then adds Son of Man:
‘The high priest said to him, ‘I charge you under oath by the living God:

Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God.’ ‘Yes, it is as you say,’ Jesus replied. ‘But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.’ Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, ‘He has spoken blasphemy! Why do we need any more witnesses? Look, now you have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?’ ‘He is worthy of death,’ they answered.’ (Matthew 26:63-66)

Finally, Jesus understood the Son of Man to exist prior to His human birth:

‘No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.’ (John 3:13)

‘What if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before!’ (John 6:62)

In summary, Jesus’ favourite term to refer to Himself was ‘Son of Man.’ He understood the designation to refer to the divine Son of Man of Daniel 7 who would rule with glory and power. Moreover, He understood the Son of Man also to be the pre-existent Son of God and Messiah. Who did Jesus think He was? Clearly He thought He was the divine Son of Man.[/b]

naijadeyhia: with my last expose i would like to let you know that Mary gave birth to a man child in the flesh and not a God Child in divinity. Do not let this confuse you. If it does then it does prove that a carnal man can never understand the things of the spirit.

naijadeyhia: [b]Jesus always referred to Himself as the Son of man. In divinity he was the son of God but not in the flesh. In the flesh he was the Son of man. However He came as the son of man (in the flesh) in order to show man that it was possible to obey God till the end. Something the First Adam couldnt do, He the second Adam came and did. As long as he was in the flesh he was a man and not God which was why when Peter gained the insight of God and called Him the son of the living God he said flesh and blood has not revealed it to Peter but His father in heaven did. As a man he wept, he slept, he hungered, he suffered thirst. Qualities that God didnt have. As a man he got Angry, he called men Hypocrites and vipers and serpents. As the son of God he knew the mind of God and wanted man to see it manifest in Him. Including how to live in this sin laden world in total obedience to God. He had the Holy Spirit hence he could achieve it and we didnt have it so he said tarry until you are endued with Power from on high (the holy spirit). The apostles became new men the moment the holy spirit came upon them. The person whom men crucified was the son of man but from heaven God was seeing His son being crucified this was what made him a perfect sacrifice. If men knew who he was they would not have crucified him but alas they knew not.
So to them a man was being killed but to God His son was being killed and to God there was no greater sacrifice than this and this was why Christ asked God to forgive his killers for they did not know what they were doing but God did because it was His will all along[/b]

naijadeyhia: If she gave birth to the Son of God when did he become Man? Before or after birth or during birth?

naijadeyhia: Thank God you said that Jesus condescended to be a man in order to save us. So whom did Mary give birth to? Jesus the man or Jesus the God?

achi4u: Maria G. how far nay...long time.
That 'prison break ' is something else.

jdbabzy: The B-I-B-L-E is good enough for me, I stand upon the word of God: the B-I-B-L-E!!!

Just as d heavens are higher than the earth, so are his ways than our ways. Ur knowledge of Prison Break cannot be used to understand the bible.

Stick to the word of God. The word of Life. Denounce occultism and sorcery practices.

naijadeyhia: Since you have chosen to condescend to using Prison Break as a test case example i would like to ask a simple question. For Michael to become a prisoner did he or did he not commit a crime deliberately after which he knew for sure that once he was caught in the act, prison would be the outcome?

naijadeyhia: [b]Why, then, did Jesus come to be baptized by John? To fulfill God's righteous requirements. Jesus was the true Israelite who would obey God over against the disobedience of Adam and all the peoples of the world. Finally there had come one whose passion it was to obey God. As Paul said in Romans 5:19, "For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of one man the many will be made righteous." All have sinned and have come short of the glory of God, but here came one man, the true Israelite, who would fulfill all righteousness, all the righteous requirements of God, and who would, without fail, obey all God's laws perfectly.

In other words, as Jesus was being baptized by John, he was identifying with the elect sinners. There was no sin in him, but there was sin on him. The sinless one bore our sins. In this baptism Jesus publicly assumed the work of the Messiah, his God-given responsibility of taking away the sin of the world. As I said before, one purpose of John's baptism was that the Messiah be revealed to Israel. This baptism of Jesus announced to the world that he, Jesus, one day was going to be baptized with fire, meaning suffering, on behalf of his people.[/b]

naijadeyhia: Why did the bible say that He that knew no sin was made sin? Why did the bible say that. In Romans 8:3 it declares "For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh". Now dispute that scripture with your own analogy and mindset

naijadeyhia: [b]Mother of God indeed. I guess since the holy spirit overshadowed her that means the Holy spirit is the father of God. smh. The mystery of the Lords conception is beyond you and yours. FYI Mary said that she is the handmaid of the Lord. Handmaid means servant. It means of lowly estate. It shows how humble she was and not her so called high and lifted position you are all making her out to be. Even John the baptist was greater than Mary because Matthew 11:11, in which Jesus declares:

Amen, I say to you, among those born of women there has been none greater than John the Baptist; yet the least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

In this passage, our Lord is extolling the importance of John the Baptist in the plan of salvation. As the last of the prophets, he had the unique role as the forerunner to Christ. Furthermore, his greatness is seen in his humility: instead of his important role leading to pride, John the Baptist chose the humble path, making his whole life one that points to another. As Scripture constantly repeats, it is the humble who are exalted and the exalted who are humbled.[/b]

superior1: Yeah, She submitted to God's plan and I am also a believer in Christ. So myself, Mary and other Christ believers are the brother and mother of Jesus, Jesus refused to grant Mary audience and didn't give her any special recognition when she came calling on Him in the chapter i showed you

superior1: God's will as per what?

superior1: Is that all you have say?, Jesus refused seeing Mary in that verse and told His listeners those who do the will of God are is brothers and mothers.

Jesus didnt only refused Mary's request, He ignored her and reduce her status to be equal of all believers, no?

superior1: Matthew 12:46-50

46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”

48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.

Comment on those verses above

naijadeyhia: God didnt need Mary when He made Adam and Eve but the reason why he needed her for Christ was because Christ was meant to be a perfect sacrifice so He had to come in sinful form which could only happen if He came through a sinful vessel. Yes she was a virgin but still was the offspring of fallen Adam and Eve. The focus was Christ and not Mary.

naijadeyhia: He did respond to her by calling her "woman"and not "mother". He did what she asked because it was in His nature to do good and not because she asked. A blind man asked Him if thou will i would like to receive my sight and He said "I WILL" receive your sight. It is His will to do good as that was why He came in the first place. Was Mary present in the other instances when he did good? Her presence wasnt relevant to His assignment. The Bible said "How Jesus Christ went about doing good and healing all that were oppressed of the devil" Was the presence of Mary relevant in all this?

naijadeyhia: Real believers are not taught by a church but by the Spirit of God whose assignment is to teach us all things, lead us into all truth and glorify God in us. A church might attempt at instructing but confirmation of the word comes from the Holy Spirit. You were taught by the catholic church but I was and am still being taught by the Holy Spirit of the Living God.