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princfred:
Who hold your mouth not to hype yours?

if you are wise enough you will understand better, through the help of Nairaland, i am doing my my bit but it can't be more effective than the British media.

ChrisKels:
Somebody was talking about skillful Africans and he didn't make mention of Christian Obodo smh

bundle of skills

TheGoodJoe:
Zaha has not started to scrape the surface of the Water Laudrup walked on. Laudrup is one of the grandmasters of the round leather game.

Watch this clip and explain how Zaha can come close.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UNSX4K6Bak#

why not compare jay jay with the laudrup

andrew444:
I am not betting with Uruguay but never say never in football and this is a team with all round world class players.

This is a team that reach the semi finals in 2010 and about 8 of the players are still there.

This is a team that won the 2011 copa America.

As far as I am concerned Belgium hasn't done anything in World football no be name we wan chop,Belgium got bunch of underperforming players.

i see Belgium doing very well this time, there coach is one of the best managers and the team is prime for success. semi-final won't be too much for them

Joebie:
If Naija divide there is a chance of that happening again someday

your car is heading to a wrong direction

MetalJigsaw:
Both of you are not OK. Balogun is the number 4.

check very well, Ekong and Balogun wear 5 and 6

komekn:
In terms of pure raw skill, I would agree with you without reservation.

thanks for admitting

andrew444:
I could not comment till I see this.
I taught I was the only one who think Beckham was overhyped

no be only you my brother

andrew444:
Lol you no just wan agree with me.

At least you get my point sha

is this the case of you no wan agree with my my point or you now understand what playing more will do to your goal ratio? lol

andrew444:
You got it wrong man Neymar will never play behind Jesus....Neymar will always play from the right side.

If you think Neymar will play behind Jesus then you don't watch Brazil games sorry.

Even if renato augusto will be benched for the World Cup Fernandinho will be fixed in.

I know you might be a Chelsea fan.

William is not a starter in Brazil,you only follow their recent friendlies,William that conte used to bench till the middle of the season when he started getting playing times?

Brazil game is not far from now let's see who will start but I know Neymar can never play at the back of any striker....Never

He has never done that at Barca psg or even the Brazil team

willian been in the bench has nothing to do with the national team,why argue when the match is few days from now, be bold to admit you were wrong. Brazil match should be on saturday or sunday i guess

gbosaa:
From the barrage of attacks and the way Nigeria was playing, by latins of old, the commentator was probably referring to Roman soldiers...known for their discipline, tactical and combat effectiveness and composure.

The Nigeria dream team of 96 class was beautiful.

96 team was better than the 94 team to me, it was a perfect team

andrew444:
William is not a starter he was bench throughout the qualifiers you are looking at the friendlies.

Casemeiro paulinho and renato Augusto started all qualifiers.

So where will coutinho fit in ? You are looking at the friendlies ?

Coutinho always plays from the flank for Brazil,even Douglas started most friendlies as willian.

so from everyone that started the the qualifiers since last 2 years will start the matches in world cup,

a player like renato augusto started most the qualifiers but will be happy to make the bench

Brazil play 4-2-3-1....coutihno plays left, neymar plays behind jesus and willian play from the right, most time you see coutihno drifting in the middle just like our iwobi and neymar pushing forward like his partnering Jesus.

edi287:
We all know Figo was the best Right Winger during that era. Whatever Becks lacked in flair and pace outwide, he made up for it with his insane set piece and passing ability. Plus his stamina helped in defending out wide.
Becks was not a gra gra player contrary to what some want us to believe.

not just figo, so mang other players
*totti
*delpiero
*rui costa
*van nisteroy
*ballack
*zidan
*beckamp

better players but the English carried his matter for head like his maradona. they did thesame to graveson and madrid stupidly thought he wad better than makalele.

pirlo and alonso do that same long range passing and they even do more than that.

English boys are nothing without there media more reason why they end up been poor during important tournerment

andrew444:
I meant World Cup bro,they have one of the best goal ratio,did I say the best ?

As you call some player say I argue ? Did I argue about lewandowski?

I point out my example

Oga playing to 38 means alot unless you don't watch football,are you trying to tell me if Suarez play till 38 he won't score any goals seems you said it doesn't mean ? Common bro you know better than this .

Thank you

Ratio in this context is dividing the number of match played by the goals scored...playing u til 38 is a disadvantage to the goal ratio, because the player will tend to be less effective and will also be coming into the match and not starting and it will be a disadvantage to your ratio.

for example Yekini was not a starter in 1998, it lessing his goal ratio for the national team, it would have been higher if he retired earlier

Clear now?

komekn:
I will qualify your opinion with my observations.

In Europe much more emphasis is placed on end product, the purpose of the dribble is to gain advantage for your team and or overcome your opponent. Then to deliver END PRODUCT.

In Africa we can be found guilty of playing to the gallery showboating without end product.

As a result players with mesmerising skill will may not display that in match. Being disciplined they will think of end product first before dribbling or showboating.

For instance when I watched Tega Onomah and Tega Abrahams in training they were full of skills and tricks but limit in in the game. You may think therfore that they are limited in thier skill set.

A player you may think lacks Skill also is Dele Alli watch him in training and you will be pleasantly suprised.

if you are reasonable you will notice that the basic of this discuss was that European players were more skilful than African players, your write up abovr support the fact that africa players are more gifted skills wise.

or are you trying to buttress my point of view?

komekn:
I think your being emotively prejudiced and your tone presumptuously derogatory.

I don't always agree with the TheGoodJoe but he is not an Uncle Tom to be influenced by Western media and has enough understanding to of the game not to be carried away by superficial marketing.

Nobody thinks Beckham was the most skilful player. However, the skill set he had dead ball delivery and crosses was World class. Beckham didnt have much pace but he could deliver the ball with pin point accuracy.

Sometimes that skill is more effective than doing drag backs and step overs without end product.

na grammar you dey speak, Beckham was overhyped

andrew444:
Zlatan not at the World Cup

Clint Dempsey North America play more games same goes to the Asia,I can bring a Saudi Arabia player stats.

Zlatan played for Sweden till 35 Tim Cahill is 38 and you think Suarez will not have more stats than them when he reached that age?

Dzeko is not at the World Cup

Dempsey 141 appearance and 57 goals Suarez is not up to that appearance.

North America plays more match than anyone else,concafaf gold cup is every 2 years and copa America is every 4 years and copa America got no qualifiers and they also invite teams from north America mostly USA Mexico and Jamaica

Okazaki got more caps than Suarez and Suarez got more goals ratio than him.

bros or else you don't understand English, you said cavani and suarez has one of the goal ratio in the world(not worldcup) except neymar, ronaldo amd messi and i told you there were many players above them and some are even in the worldcup.

zlatan and Cahill playing to 35 or 38 does not mean a thing, don't you know what ratio is??

and why are you comparing all players to suarez what of cavani?

what of lewandowski??

baba before you talk check your fact before you miss inform people

edi287:
Beckham from 99 - 02 was probably the second best midfielder in man united after Roy Keane.
It's a myth that he was only good at crossing. He was a superb passer, had an above average touch, great vision and crazy stamina. Yeah he didn't have the flair and Skill of Figo, but he was a VERY good player.
His best position was as a CM. Didn't have the pace and skill to beat defenders on the flanks.

you mean he could not nail down his favourite position, no skill or pace to beat defenders on the wing and his the best??

andrew444:
Alright you can mention them ?

zlatan ...116 games. 62goals okazaki...108 games. 50 goals lewandowski...95 games 55 goals Clint Dempsey... Dzecko tim cahill

andrew444:
Brazil is ahead of Uruguay i go with you,I am just making example trust me,Uruguay team only few are aged.

What about fernandinho 33,filepe Luis 32 Thiago Silvia 33,Miranda 33,Marcelo 30,Alves 35 was supposed to be there but injury stop him.

Uruguay.....Suarez 31 cavani 31,Godin 32,maxi perriera 33...remind me of who else ?

Who is the older team?

Willian is not a starter in Brazil,coutinho and Neymar will share the right and left flank.

willian is a starter, brazil play 4-2-3-1, the formation, check there last 6 matches, they played the same players, fenandihno starter when neymar was injured.

brazil coach starting line up is very obvious

edi287:
Started getting underrated due to his pop fame. People just think he was good at crossing but his passing (especially long ones) were insane. Didn't have flair/skill but had an above average touch.

not people thinking but it was the truth, in that era there were alot of very good players and beckham ain't suppose to be mention around them.

Bbc and English made it look like he was maradona, beckham was not even Man U best player then

Mujtahida:
Omo you wickedt

yes na, basically all he do is cross the ball, no penetrating runs, compare him to his counterpart giggs, giggs wes everything a winger should be.

giggs can cut inside and even make those darting run like the one he did in the FA against Arsenal

Mujtahida:
I agree that Scholes, Giggs were better but when you compare Beckham and Finidi, I'd say Beckham was better in respect of crosses which essentially is what Finidi was also known for.

there were more to finidi game than just crossing, he was better with spead and can cut just like modern right wingers do.

beckham relied more in his crossing ability while finidi can not be predicted, is easy to cut out beckham from the match.

andrew444:
Gabriel Jesus is a good player but not yet world class

What about how Luis Suarez and cavani plays for Uruguay ? Check their goal ratio also,it's one of the best in the world only Neymar cr7 and Messi has better goal ratio than them.

Luis Suarez .... 98 games and 51 goals
Cavani..... 100 games 42 goals

alot of players has better goal ratio than them, even in the worldcup

andrew444:
Thank you,I am just trying to give him a small clue Rodrigo Bentacur of juventus we know what he can cause in the Midfield.

Nobody will tell you Uruguay cant make the semi,they will just watch and see,As far as am concerned Brazil dont have much quality players than Uruguay.

Some people call brazil world cup favorite but who is the striker there?

If we can call brazil world cup favorite then uruguay should also be called,As far as i am concerned luis suarez is the best striker in the WORLD.

As far as i am concerned Gabriel jesus is still an average player,is he because he plays for mancity and pep trust him alot? can we compare a gabriel jesus and a suarez or cavani? Aside neymar coutinho uruguay will match with brazil.

Thiago silva is not a better defender than Diego godin. Brazil edge them out in midfield but they edge brazil out in defence and attack.

i was feeling your world cup analysis untill now, Brazil is ahead of Uruguay.

Brazil can replace each position with another good player.

the striker is jesus and his a very good striker, with very good precision,his the closest thing to Ronaldo since he retired. they have inform william, neymar and coutihno behind him and one of the best box to box midfielder in paulihno and Classic defensive midfielder casemiro.

At the back they have Thiago and there Miranda flanked by consistent Marcelo and danilo who had a great season. there goal keeper is one of the best goal keeper in Europe Alison

interesting thing is the option they have on the bench. firmino can slot in easily for Jesus though you can have him play behind jesus, douglas costa can do a william job easily and also come in for neymar when needed, Taison is just an identical player to countihno.

Fernandihno will start in most teams in the worldcup, Luis of athletico is also an option for marcelo and marquinho is also an option in CB. Ederson will be the option in the goalkeeper department.

This Brazilian team can't be compare to ageing Uruguay team, they can't beat an Egypt team with Salah, they will have a had time beating them without salah.

TheGoodJoe:
European countries produce more skillful talents. Look at the Dutch for instance, when the talk of skillful talents, it will not revolve around Etim Esin, Okocha, Oruma.

Van Der Vaart, Sniejder, Robben, Emmanuelson, Drenthe.. These were creative players from one era. If we go to the seventies, there is a host of others. We do not churn out skillful players like the Europeans to claim an edge.

drenthe and emmanuelson where not better footballer than celestinea babayaro, babayaro tocuhes were neat and precise...his one of the full backs that modernize how a full back should play, but European media no gree you see am

Mujtahida:
Brother forget it: Beckham was a blast. He was better than Finidi

better in what sense??

basically a good crosser, beckham was not the best player in Manchester united then, the likes of giggs and scholes were better.

TheGoodJoe:
Fill your eyes before describing Beckham as thrash.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QJMcaksnH0

if beckham was in this era he will be converted to a RB trust me

TheGoodJoe:
How can you even make such statement. Bergkamp was good in his controls and finishing but Beckham added more to the Success Of the team. From his accurate long balls from deep to free strikers, to his accurate crosses, he was one of the best free kick takers ever. And then deadly with corner-kicks.

Bergkamp can not come close to David Beckham in any way.

oga you are one of the people british media brainwashed, bergkamp talent wise way ahead of David beckham, even beckham should know

TheGoodJoe:
Forget media hype and judge Beckham with your eyes. His ability with the ball was out of this World. Football did not have one like him before Beckham and doubt there will be another after him.

you are soak into the hype, he was not better than finidi George

TheGoodJoe:
No need deceiving ourselves. Hazard was showing tremendous ability with the ball at a very young age. By Onyekuru's current age, he was known as one of the best skillers in the World. Media hype will not put tricks on the ball in anyone's leg.

when you are talking about Africa players forget age, the struggle to get to Europe is not easy.

For skillful players, do you know who Etim essien is?? what of sam okwaraji...etim essien was as good as jay jay...the media then were talking about Gascoigne and basten.

TheGoodJoe:
How can someone put Obasi and Zaha in the same place when we are talking Cruyff, Michael Laudrup and Seedorf? By the way, I stated clearly that the South Americans top on skills. I do not know why you are bringing Messi and Ronaldinho into the debate.

I am saying Nigeria as a whole lacks behind when it comes to skills, compared to the Europeans. For instance, who can we compare skill wise to Martial or Pogba?

which European player is or was as skillful as Okocha