somehow: You mean it was the attack that made our defenders start passing well, reading the opponent's moves well and well composed at the back against their counterpart?
i mean the whole team change totally, including the defense, when you attack the defense will have less work to do
TheSuperNerd: Lol... okay now I understand. You have actually missed why I am stressing you read up before quoting someone. Hahahahahahaha... nope... it is not about who posted it first. Lots of folks here drop same thing repeatedly and no one picks up on that... it is all cool.
But the issue here is this: I made a light banter and you came into my mention and started yapping on Madrid player not being the reason but that Julen did wrong... you were telling that to someone who already knew and had even dropped a post on it...... how does that even sound to you? See? Do you now understand how awkward it was? If you had taken your time to read a bit more, you would have seen where I already mentioned it... chikena.
I made a couple of light banter posts following that sack... funny how you had to pick on one of then missing where I already mentioned the main ish and started sounding like I didn't know what happened. This is why I say again... NEXT TIME, Read up first, before clicking the quote button. Simple.
i saw your initial post and saying what you said before does not mean you were wrong. your reply was overboard
Mujtahida: Glad you totally understood my point. I will look for that movie. If the Brazilian squad of 82 had won the WC, perhaps the complexion of world football would have been different from what it is now.
Imagine Brazil were in USA 94 yet we were crowned most entertaining team. And ranked 5th in the world shortly afterwards. There's really need for an African style coupled with the best of the European style.
very true bros, but Nigeria was ranked 5th before the worldcup
TheSuperNerd: Smh. Just try to "read" NEXT TIME to avoid such "unnecessaries." Be fast to read & understand first and slow to "just quote". It will help a whole lotta lots... Finito.
Grow up, we are not here tl drag who brought the news or said it first.
AIG07: Mikel is too soft. Action e no get. Na to de smile up and down. We need him to show strong face and atleast be threatening when he reacts on the pitch.
The team need some strong leadership on the pitch and Rohr need to talk more during games
TheSuperNerd: Lord in heaven. Why telling me what I myself reported here? Is it that some of you here don't read comments before quoting someone? That was me making light banter and I have already posted the comments of the Spanish FA president himself explaining why Lopetegui had to be fired... Good God! Next time... Try to follow comments before quoting someone... I have hammered on this already before... It will save lots of irrelevant replies like this one.
this your clap back is totally unnecessary, explaining why he was sacked won't change your explanation report you gave earlier.
you ain't in the position to tell me what to do next time ok?
wayodude: Are you from one of these countries? If you are then I won't argue if not can you provide irrefutable evidence to prove what you're saying? If so please do.
you type is so close hearted, infact i will need to be Russia to talk about the worldcup
TheGoodJoe: Let us forget media hype and you judge honestly from what you see. Today, which Nigerian dribbler will you rate above Hazard or De Bruyne.
Media hype can't be taking away from this, media hype give players some element of confidence while reducing that of the opponent.
Hazard is a great dribbler but modes simon, onyekuru and the rest could even be better with more positive review and spotlight.
Salah did not change, his the same player that was with Basel and Chelsea...he style of play was still making those runs, the media hype helped him alot.
somehow: Not really, we cleared lesser balls out of that region and played more on the ground when we had omeruo, ekong and ogu at the back + ebuehi/idowu
Unlike the first half when we had balogun, ekong, shehu and idowu.
the whole team chemistry changed in the second half
chrisooblog: thanks I think mujtahida deserves more kudos we really need deep introspection on how to turn our national teams from mere also fans to actual cup contenders at world tourneys
doing that we need alot of work on our grassroot, we can't be playing 3-5-2 and our under17 and 20 are playing 4-4-2.
Nigeria coaches need to work together not compete with each other
TheGoodJoe: I am so shocked with the drama going on in Spain and feel disappointed with Lopetegui negotiating and entering an agreement with Real Madrid few days to a top World Cup game. Astonishing when you look at the fact he gained most of his experience working with the Spanish FA. The FA supported him and showed faith in him until he became a Manager of the Spanish team.
Today he is a top quality coach but I feel he should have paid back the Spanish FA with his loyalty.
Wish him the best.
Spain FA did the right thing, Hierro knows the team very well and his team wont be much different from the ex coach team.
The good thing is the captain Ramos and some other big figure took the decision together
chrisooblog: hopefully this formation helps us get out of the blocks faster and fingers crossed do damage before the croats can settle. the likes of kovacic, modric and rakitic will want to control the tempo that's why i think it's imperative to use our relative youth to our advantage to run the croats ragged this is where ndidi will be so crucial. i also think adding etebo will be that extra running engine in midfield.
goldfish80: Of course they are better than Argentina who they beat blue black not so long ago in a friendly. Having a talisman in a bad team can only get you further so much but you begin to look world conquering when you have a good team and a talisman. Although, comparing this team with the golden age class of 2008-2012 is stretching it a bit. Must be said.
i was not comparing them, but i that team rely on team play and was comfortable all around the pitch, the were not waiting for a messi or greizman to help them, the responsibility was shared, a Puyol got them the goal against Germany in semifinal.
Btw, can you try watching the second half between Nigeria England? Watch the defensive candidates on the field for us and tell me what you notice from their performance individually and collectivel2?
yea our game change from the defense department to the midfield and then attack.
it was not balogun fault maybe that's what you are suspecting
TheGoodJoe: First, let us get the notion that the Europeans do not produce good dribblers.
Off the top of my head, Figo, Brian and Michael Laudrup, Gascoigne, Joe Cole, Ryan Giggs, Overmars, Seedorf, Johann Cruyff, Dugarry, Djorkaeff and a host of others.
Today, in dribbling talents, which Africans would we put above the likes of Hazard, Dembele, Isco, Thiago Alcantara, Bernardo Silva, Sane etc.
I doubt we should think we edge the Europeans in individual creativity.
This should be the concern of the South Americans. Not us.
cc: Mujtahida, Martz101.
This i will disagree with you, most good European dribblers are hyped by the media, but african players with such quality don't have that media attention.
No one knows how much Okocha was good with the ball untill Italy match. the commentator keep saying Okocha is one of the best players in the tournerment, same okocha that started just the Italy match, alot of dribble star like finidi,siasia, Amokachi and Amunike and even more but the media never cared to take note that was why it came as a surprise to them.
Even now so many people even Nigerians don't know an Ighalo is full of skills, a simon step overs could send you to the Bush and even a henry onyekuru ball movement could get one lost.
European media hype there own, if i didn't see Beckham play i would have thought he was way better than kanu and okocha put together.
and this media makes our player inferior and it affect our game, African players and team need to be Brave to win the worldcup
chrisooblog: true that's why brazilians argentines were so successful in the early years of the world cup. yes the europeans taught them bitter lessons which brazil has adjusted to infact i see neymar and co winning the whole thing because they've managed to incorporate their samba, jogo bonito into european organization and made it purposeful, result oriented. that's the conundrum sub-saharan african teams have been unsuccessful in solving. for some reason players educated here are not imparted with the drive to win but rather show off dribble to get hails and ''accolades'' whereas the real accolade is winning the trophy.
having said that i still feel a team from sub-saharan africa especially west africa will one day soon win the world cup cos our style of disorganization confounds them mascherano as much admitted that lol. north africans style is too similar europeans which is their style on acid.
hopefully the foreign born players will continue to bring in elements of professionalism in their football upbringing back but here at home the nff should thinking of bringing young football brains across the land and not just restrict it to the old boys club of ex internationals
Mujtahida: i hope SE are psyched up to brace the viking clap of the Icelanders. Iceland has a population of 334,252. it is on record that 60% of the country's population turned up as supporters during the last Euro(thats like almost the whole country).
i hope we have nerves of steel to withstand the disruptive effect of this clapping cos this is what would happen at the WC
TheSuperNerd: Fernando Hierro.. Hmmm... That great Spanish captain who also played for and captained Real madrid... You sack a Madrid man and bring in another Madrid man... Me just looking at these people... Lol Let's see how it goes shaa...
The surprises at this world cup are still many in their coming... Just never expected we would get one before Kickoff...
He was not sacked because he was a madrid man, he was sacked because he was negotiating with Madrid without the conscent of his owners and also signed a contract without them knowing....they got to know few minutes before media was about to announced it
TheSuperNerd: Balogun can stay in the middle but Ekong have also thrived there in a 3-man set up as seen from some of our games. Pace is not only needed for the sides, but also for the middle as can be seen in that England game when Ekong was face to face with a pacy Welbeck thru the centre. Rohr knows what he's doing by sometimes placing Ekong in the middle...
But if Ogu starts as LCB then Balogun may shift to the middle and Ekong to the right or it can be vice versa (Ekong-middle, Balogun-Right). We saw parts of this in the Czech game.
I suggested that earlier, Balogun in the side will be expose when under pressure, watch out first half in Argentina
Mujtahida: MY THOUGHTS ON THE EVE OF THE WC since 2002 no country apart from european countries has won the WC(and more european countries have won the WC than any other country from other continents since the inception of the FIFA WC in 1930. while it can be argued that this is because europeans have proportionately more teams than other continents -could there be other causes?) could this be as a result of the fact that global football is tailored to suit the style, the nature and character of Europeans? take this issue of pressing that has almost become the alfa tactics employed by most teams for example. it is about choking and pressuring the opposition when they(the opposition) have the ball. now i think this is what happened: europeans eliminated the dribble(yes dribbling is almost dead) because i do not see how pressing can be effective when you have a team of good ball dribblers. can you press maradona, or okocha or any team with a good number of dribblers like Brazil 82 team? they will just dribble themselves out of the choke and pass the ball to a team mate who is free from the press. just a moment of sheer individual brilliance, a sweet turn, a flick and dance with the ball and the whole press will collapse.but you see what europeans have done: they eliminated the dribble, clamped down on individual displays and erected a temple to the god of passing, passing, passing and laid more emphasis on team game. europeans thrive on organization and efficiency: they hate anything disorganized which is how they regard anything free flowing(meanwhile africans want expressiveness and flair). check out classical european music, opera and the ballet dance. everything is timed and organized. the world of music was cold until africans and south americans(and it was still africans if you know your history)with the their toms toms, sense of natural rhythm and free flowing dance brought in the blues, jazz and pop culture was born. for the life of me i have tried to enjoy mozart, bach, handel and others but omo i still prefer the sound of the gong, ekwe, beaded gourd and talking drum. to the european ear african music is disorganized but as africans we know theres a method to that seeming "disorganization". our music is all about rhythm and improvisation.
my point is we must break away from this european model of playing football: we cannot beat them when it comes to an organized approached to football. no wonder xavi said that they understand football as a space-time concept. this is nothing but the scientific european mind speaking. the black man has no such concept. (thats why he cannot operate by the 24 hour clock). africans understand football as a dance, as rhythm, as beat, as robustness and vigour. this is how we must play our football. we must play football according to our soul. we are africans and its not a matter of race- its a matter of an outlook on life which we can perfect and use to define our game.
my brothers i would appreciate your thoughts on this issue cc Icobn4s asha80 bascovanveli goldfish80 tbaba1234 safarigirl servik kennysville oasis07 thesupernerd goodjoe joebie chriskels davep AIG mikael2 kog45 forgiveness soetanoluwa martz07 charlesemeka and every other esteemed poster on this great thread
i was actually thinking of this same thing, even the south Americans are also suffering thesame faith, they lost there identity too.
Sub-Saharan Africa team should embrace who they are and add some little flavour of what they were expose to in Europe.
is no coincidence that the Africa team that actually got to the quater final all play with some kinda physicality and some flair when needed.
Cameroon in 1990, Ghana in 2010 and Senegal 2002 did that perfectly well and could have gotten even to the final with little more effort and mental concentration.
This issue is affecting Nigerian and Africa in every sector
goldfish80: They are a semi final team at the very best (being generous). In my opinion, they lack a talisman in the mould of Greizman, MESSI, Ronaldo, Bale or a prime Torres/Villa up front. And in midfield, this team is not as talented as the class of 2010 to offset the lack of world class quality in attack.
for me spain is better than France with greizman and Argentina with messi.
The last worldcup spain won was with average goal of one in each match, worldcup is not about talisman, is about the team.
komekn: George played with Yobo in Sharks as a youth.
At the time the options for RB where very limited and Abbey had showed good quality throughout his time in the SE.
That's not the case with Echiejile he has consistently in recent times been way off the mark.
Going to the world cup should be devoid of sentiment and only the best players should go. Echiejile is certainly not better than Aina and his experience brings no value to the SE.
sentiment na your problem, Echiejile was not a bad left back afterall he was part of the defense that brought us the worldcup spot.
i don't want to go into Aina and Echiejile argument again because it won't change anything. Abey george tried for Nigeria but i don't see how he was done more than Echiejile.
George was not even playing for Championship side, he was swimming in lower league woth portvale while Echiejile played for french league with rennes and Monaco and also with Portugal league with Braga with loads of champions league exposure
that's the career gorge Abey would have prayed for and if Aina get that kinda career he will be fulfilled.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Martz101: 9:41pm On Jun 13, 2018
Is it that some of you here don't read comments before quoting someone? That was me making light banter and I have already posted the comments of the Spanish FA president himself explaining why Lopetegui had to be fired... Good God! Next time... Try to follow comments before quoting someone... I have hammered on this already before... It will save lots of irrelevant replies like this one.