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Deep Sight: One of the two things I dislike the very most, is being falsely accused. What do you gain by that? The few times I have been grossly disrespectful to people on NL, it was because they falsely accused me.

[size=13pt]I know you to be (most likely) more intelligent than I am, and even I am intelligent enough to use the simple "last active time stamp" and the "last post" time stamp on someone's profile to see the last time someone was on Nairaland. And here you are spitting lies, saying I took to my heels. I HAVE NOT BEEN ONLINE SINCE YESTERDAY, and you could easily have seen that on my profile before you said I took to my heels.[/size]

That's very disappointing, I must confess.

I AM BUSY NOW and immediately I have some free time I will reply your post above.

Deep Sight:
^^^ I can't wait for the trashing you will dish out to me. O well, its just as well that i'm a masochist.

@Deep Sight: There is no assurance of what the game will be like, but your opening may give your strength away. LOL okay register here https://www.chess.com/register.html and let me know your username on chess.com so that we can play. I just registered and mine is mavenbox. When you register, invite me (email address mavenbox@gmail.com) to a game from here http://www.chess.com/home/invite_friends.html and let's battle!

@bee444: Sorry about this. I am kind of a chess freak.

Chai! JeSoul my sister !!

kai oyinbo these people have serious mental problems.

But really, that Avatar movie was the shiznit! I LOVED it!!!

You see, rarely will you ever find such a clean and lovely combo of fantasy and science-fiction. AVATAR is that combo!

@Image123: LOL! You have to give them some credit. That is their legal statement, you know? 'Cos with every advert, they announce "drink responsibly", ebven if they don't really want you to do that. Legally speaking, I have to agree with ttalks on that, I guess.

@Dual Core: LOL Long time? yeah, sort of. But I have been here, I have only been busier on the Religion and Romance threads. Darn! Those threads take much more time than this one. Addiction? Well maybe.

As for missing you, I would have to have you in mind BEFORE i can miss you, you dig? So there's no way in the hot and blazing Jamaica that I could have missed you.

@A_K_O: Abi o. My own point was even that he claimed that EFCC had seized the JET, only to finish up with praying that it shouldn't be seized

LOL @OLAADEGBU and Mazaje.

Don't you guys know that all men, even atheists operate by faith?

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@tonjoan: Thanks! I'm glad you found my post useful

Deep Sight:
Yes Maven, i play Chess, and since you boldly assert that that you are "excellent" and "advanced" at playing chess, if you can find an on-line tool, let's have a go at it.

LOL! Nice!! Really nice!! Seriously? I should have known you play chess! LOL. But you see, the problem here is that due to the nature of my work, I may be required at ANY TIME to leave the PC, and that might translate to a loss for me if I don't return to the game on time, I guess. So it's either we play a correspondence game, or I will remind you when I know I have a very free schedule (or I am at home), and then we will take out some time to battle it out

Maybe later today or something! Rubs hands together in glee.[

mazaje:
What have these questions got to do with the topic?

They are alternate ways of asking why human beings interact with nature, or vice-versa, the way they do.

Deep Sight:
Can you tell me what it takes for a human being to “choose Christ?” Can a person choose Christ if he has never heard of the man called Jesus? Answer me this please.

To choose Christ means to understand the message of the Gospel in its totality, i.e. God coming to earth in human form to give everyone an opportunity of eternal life, and reconcile the missing link with divinity. As with all opportunities, it will indeed be misappropriated by some, it will be ignored by some, and it will be utilized by others. If one has never heard of the man Jesus, then except God singles them out with a revelation of the gospel, they cannot "choose" Christ. The questions you have embedded in these questions will be answered below.

Deep Sight:
Who were the figures that appeared beside Christ at the transfiguration? Can I safely quote you as indicating that those two noblemen were appearing beside Christ from a “reserved” part of hell?

Answer me on this, please.

Yes, they were not in heaven until Jesus resurrected. They were in paradise, and that was where the "noblemen" Moses and Elijah representing the law and the prophets, came from. Abraham's Bosom.

Hear Jesus speak:
Joh 3:12 If I tell you things that are plain as the hand before your face and you don't believe me, what use is there in telling you of things you can't see, the things of God?
Joh 3:13 "No one has ever gone up into the presence of God except the One who came down from that Presence, the Son of Man.

So it is very certain that as for the HEAVEN that is the presence of the Father, no other "human" was ever there. I say "human" because it is important to note that this was the same God speaking, in human form. In his pre-incarnate form, he was in heaven already.

Deep Sight:
Please educate my ignorance and delineate for me the distinctions between “paradise” and “heaven.”

In case it was not clear, here is it again. The word hades occurs ten times in the New Testament, and always refers to the unseen realm of the dead—the receptacle of disembodied spirits where all people who die await for the Lord’s return and judgment. One part of hades, where Jesus and the thief went, is known as paradise, or Abraham's Bosom. The word paradise, is from a Parisian word meaning "park" or "garden". Jesus and the thief did not yet go to heaven, they went to Hades. That's why Jesus told Mary "I have not yet ascended to the Father" in John 20:17.

And here's a confirmation by David and Paul:
Act 2:27 For You will not abandon my soul, leaving it helpless in Hades (the state of departed spirits), nor let Your Holy One know decay or see destruction [of the body after death].
Act 2:28 You have made known to me the ways of life; You will enrapture me [diffusing my soul with joy] with and in Your presence. [Ps. 16:8-11.]
Act 2:29 Brethren, it is permitted me to tell you confidently and with freedom concerning the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.
Act 2:30 Being however a prophet, and knowing that God had sealed to him with an oath that He would set one of his descendants on his throne, [II Sam. 7:12-16; Ps. 132:11.]
Act 2:31 He, foreseeing this, spoke [by foreknowledge] of the resurrection of the Christ (the Messiah) that He was not deserted [in death] and left in Hades (the state of departed spirits), nor did His body know decay or see destruction. [Ps. 16:10.]


Acts 2:27 states that God would not abandon Christ’s soul in hades, nor allow Christ to undergo decay. So while Christ’s body was placed in a tomb for three days, Christ’s spirit went to hades. Jesus resurrected and freed all the captives of death in Hades, as many as believed his Gospel, and they received eternal life and proceeded to heaven.

Deep Sight:
What about the account of Elijah being taken up into heaven? This happened well before Christ, yes?

No, sir. Elijah did not go to dwell in the place of God's abode. Please try to use a concordance when you study the Bible, so that you can unlock subtle shades of meaning that may be lost in translation. That's what Deep Sight really is, and not speculation.

Here: shâmayim / shâmeh meaning "meaning to be lofty; the sky (as aloft; the dual perhaps alluding to the visible arch in which the clouds move, as well as to the higher ether where the celestial bodies revolve): - air" is the word used for heaven in 2 Kings 2:11 below
2Ki 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

shâmayim / shâmeh is the same word used for the firmaments that God set AS the sky. THAT is the "heaven" into which Elijah rose and was hidden from view. THAT is why the prophets were searching for him on the mountains. He DID NOT rise into the presence of God. With the backup of other scriptures, I can see that he rose out of their physical view into the skies, and then would have been taken into Abaraham's Bosom. Whether God took his life by HIMSELF (as he did for Moses) or not, is not important here. What I'm stressing here is that he DID NOT enter into HEAVEN. It is the weakness of this English language that causes such distinctions in definition to blur.

Deep Sight:
Now you are venturing into very dangerous territory and I am sniffing contradictions all over the place.

You stated that Christ went to preach to the dead after he died on the cross so that they could have the chance proffered by the gospel.

Then Christ rose again and returned to sit at the right hand side of the father.

Now after Christ had departed the world, you are doubtless aware that for centuries, and even up till this day – millions of people have been born and lived and died WITHOUT EVER HEARING OF JESUS OF NAZARETH.

1. What happens to such people – as they were not amongst “the dead” that he supposedly went to preach to after he died?

I do not know why you keep asking me the same questions from thread to thread, Deep Sight. I have answered this before but I will do it again. God KNOWS the people that heard the gospel, UNDERSTOOD it and REJECTED it; he knows those who HEARD it and DIDNT understand, and he KNOWS those who didn't even hear it at all. He knows all hearts, all thoughts, intents and purposes. So if YOU, Deep Sight, UNDERSTAND the gospel of Christ (as I believe you do, judging by your level of exposure) but REJECT it; I believe God in his justice will not balance you out equally with someone who never heard the gospel or didn't humanly comprehend it. It's very simple. He may/will have alternate plans for those ones, but the truth is that every sincere and honest heart seeks God out: they may not understand the Gospel of christ but God knows their intentions. Are they trying to prove a point against the divine mandate by rejecting it, or do they reject it because they do not HUMANLY understand (this answers your questions about babies and kids)?

Deep Sight:
2. To crystallize it for you – imagine the West-Indians who inhabited the Americas for centuries – even after Christ. Imagine a good, honest, sincere West Indian man living say, 1, 500 years ago in the Americas. He happens to love his fellow and is the epitome of kindness and graciousness. He lives his entire life without ever hearing of Jesus from Nazareth. He dies. What happens to him? Remember this is AFTER Jesus has already supposedly been to the grave to preach to those there – so he cannot benefit from that supposed intervention. What becomes of him, for his great crime of never hearing of the existence of the Nazarene carpenter?

Your question has been answered in [1] above.

Deep Sight:
3. After you answer the above, let’s look at another scenario. Let’s imagine that by some odd twist of fate our kindly West-Indian in another age, happened to come across some one like Christopher Columbus – who now tells him the gospel of Christ. But expectedly, it all sounds simply like a strange foreign myth, just like all tribes have their own myths, dogmas and legends. Our kindly West-Indian man is now damned to hell-fire as he is unable to believe the tale of a foreigner who is almighty God and who was murdered and which murder serves as remission of his sins?

Also answered in [1] above.

Deep Sight:
Perhaps while you are at it you can also take some time to tell us what fate awaits the children of such societies – who actually heard about Christ through missionaries but were too young to understand anything, and perhaps died before coming of age. Hell Fire for them too? O – if you will exempt them on account of age, can you kindly advise me as to what the cut-off age might be?

I hope you can answer these posers, and better still, I hope they give you a glimpse of how odd Christian dogma must appear to the non-Christian.

This question has also been answered in [1] above.

I really wonder why you are "painting" all these scenarios. I already told you on the other thread that there is no THE FUTURE anywhere. There are multidimensional countless futures, and God in his omniscience knows all the outcomes depending on your choice/ choices. You have made your own choice of rejecting the gospel of Christ: let these people also "face" the choice and make it, and if they never have the chance to face the choice, all good. If they face the choice but dont understand it (e.g. Noetic and the dying Buddhist as you mentioned on an old thread), then GOD KNOWS WHAT HE WILL DO ABOUT THEM! See, if God made plans to save the dead-before-Christ by allowing Christ to die and preach to them there as well, as they were in prison of death, why won't he have made alternate plans also for those who also died after Christ but never heard the gospel? I told you God is the unlimited master-planner / game-theorist / chessmaster so he knows EVERY SINGLE MOVE and their consequences and how to handle them.

THAT is omniscience. And that is a trait single-handedly wielded by my God.

@OP: Why is there free oxygen in the earth's atmosphere? Why do trees stand their ground and animals roam? Why do things decay?

Pastor AIO has already spoken my mind on this matter!

LOL @ Pastor AIO and Krayola

@OP: I live

Title: Efcc Takes Possession Of The Jet Akingbola Bought For Pastor Adeboye Of Reemdee.

Last line: PLEASE LET PRAY SO EFCC DO NOT TAKE THE THE JET AKINGBOLA BOUGHT FOR PASTOR ADEBOYE OF REEMDEEM

Na wa for you o!

^^^ What other reason! This is Nigeria!! Democracy is not as open as one may want to believe!

Where is KunleOshob when you need him? ROTFL

@OP: Please go ahead and work there. You are the light of the world and light is needed everywhere!

P.S> I arrived from another thread which was locked by the MOD for being a duplicate. Here is a response there by ttalks that I totally agree with (although for myself, I don't drink)
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-383214.0.html#msg5338352

It is not wrong ! !
Forget about all those who will tell you it is wrong cos they clearly do not know what they're talking about.

To answer your question easily, you first need to know if consumption of alcohol is wrong.
Answer to that is : no, consumption of alcohol is not wrong; over indulgence in it(which could lead to drunkeness) is what is wrong.
Breweries produce alcoholic drinks for responsible consumption by their consumers.
It is the responsibility of the consumers to be responsible in their drinking.

So, in conclusion, to work in a brewery as a Christian is definitely fine!

Take a look at this:

Automobile companies produce cars. Cars are good for moving one from one point to the other(transportation).
But, overspeeding with cars is wreckless and can lead to accidents which could claim lives.
Do we now say driving of cars is a sin?
Do we now say that working in an automobile company is a sin?   


That is exactly the same scenario with brewries.

And besides, there is no where in the bible that consumption of alcohol is regarded as sinful; rather, the overindulgence is what is regarded as sinful.

cuteromntc:
he looks a bit ok but roipoish.he looks a bit sick as well.too young 4me 2really access

Cuteromntc, which one is it?
1. You're gay
2. You have transgendered into female

First fine Friday Fifteen Fifty Five, Father Francis Ferdinand fried five fresh French fishes for five famous French Friends (from France).

The_seeker, can you FOR ONCE start making religious posts outside the Islamic boards AND NOT attack other people's views and beliefs?

Yeah I was like that the first couple of days I joined Nairaland because I saw Abuzola and others making atrocious posts against Christianity, so I created threads making mockery of Islam (a kind of retribution) but I saw the futility in it all, so I quit the Islamic board and focused on defending my own faith and helping others to understand it better, rather than ATTACKING other people's faiths!

Tell me, what do you intend to gain by your attacks on the person of Christ and the influence of Christianity? I thought you should know better, it's a worthless effort: you have been on NL for long now. Well, just my 2 cents.

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@bee444: The answer is YES, if you consider the TRUE nature of Jesus before he came to earth, and the nature he returned to AFTER earth. But others may say the answer is no because they consider him only in the flesh, when he put aside divinity and came into human form. The bone of contention is: are you referring to Jesus that walked the earth as the son of man; or Jesus the WORD in heaven, in his essential nature?

By my analogy, is Jack Bauer an Oscar Award winner? No he isn't, but Keifer Sutherland is. So, within the movie, you can say Jack Bauer deserves no awards (since the Oscars are given to "real" human beings), but everyone knows that he is in truth Keifer Sutherland and he did a good job acting. It would be short-sighted to say that Jack Bauer does not exist outside of the "24" series movie. And as Viaro also pointed out in John 5:23, equal honour is to be given to Christ as is given to God. The word honour is the Greek timao, which means to "fix a valuation upon", i.e. the value that makes God God is the equal value that makes Jesus Christ. And you still tell me He is not God?

Mutallabation, Explosion

a.k.a Alliteration and Assonance

Make meaningful phrases and sentences from the same letter of the alphabet! Lets see how many words you can piece together. Let me start.

Firstly, Furiously Find Fresh Fodder For Fueling Facilitated Fulcrum Forces Fighting Factual Future Fuglemen's Fugacious Faculties, Forever Freeing Frustrated Frail Followers Facing Fugue's Fundamentally Forbidden Freshness.

You can choose another letter, let's see what you've got!

Thread resurrected! People, can anything come out of nothing?

@OP: The major thing you guys owe one another is faithfulness. Love will add up if you're faithful to one another. I think you should let her go if you have corrected her many times, but that's my opinion anyway!

He's goodlooking, but not as quiet as he looks, I guess. His stance indicates that he is a confident troublemaker.  

lol