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POPE II: *yawns* is that all ?

hahhaha u need more?

POPE II: hopefully you will come back home. As for now you are still a heretic -pastor worshipper with nothing in his head. You can't put down something bigger than you, get that in your thick skull okay? Our priests go to school ,graduate in high ranked university, the church owns several scientific research centers etc , so what on earth makes you think you know more than us ?

Last bullet what's your new denomination?

hahhaha like he siad.. All these we we our u say makes me laugh. When we talk you say your church is the largest. Am not disputing that but can i tell you why that is so? Incase you dont know , the world(majority) seeks for easier means to get into the kingdom of God and the devil on realizing this, instituted the catholic church as a medium to create an environment for sin and also hope of eternal life even when ones ways are not right with God.. So the multitude has followed suit. I hope u know mor people would go tohell than heaven.. U can see why it is so now

Mrlouis: even when i was a catholic just as you are now. I never ran away completely from such tins. At least the ones i could defend. I tried my best to. And the ones i could not, i just walked away QUIETLY. But look at you., u havent even said any meaningful thing here yet u still have mouth to talk. Hahaha

even a former catholic here, mr louis has come out openly to say that the catholic church doctrines are man made. But they still go on to argue i wonder what they are still dragging. Maybe that was why the former pope rezigned from office cos he got tired of everything. Ever had it in d history of popes to retire? The man may have said its on health ground but the man has seen something even his followers havent seen. Pitiable though. Uhm!

Mrlouis: we are! We are! We are! This guy fails to realize that heaven is a PERSONAL race and if you are BLINDLY following a doctrine which u know nothing about and is unscriptural because u feel ''we are '' the biggest and all that crap, my friend you will be dissapointed on the last day. Honestly

ah bro dont you get it? He hopes to branch to purgatory first and do some frog jump for 6 months before landing in heaven. Its a wide belief among them.

Woky Are you there oga?

Conner44: Answered what correctly? See how you are shamelessly trying to waive the answer he gave you

Must you copy and paste? Even in your posts I see statements like "click on photo for high resolution", must you try to copy even the images too?

Na wao ohhhhhhh! And some people here actually think you are versed in the scriptures. Na your type of pastor go dey take iPad dey preach for pulpit with Google open ontop am

CHANGE YOUR WAYS, FACE YOUR CHURCH, PRAY TO GOD, READ YOUR BIBLE, GET A JOB and stop questioning what is obviously bigger than you

hahhahahah really? See bro. Dont take things so personal. U have been given the chance to prove your doctrine HOWEVER you want. So stop attacking me bro.

Conner44: Which one be "I sprinkle water" again? BAPTISM is BAPTISM

Bros..... That is ehhn... YOU NO JUST GET YARN!

really? Baptism is baptism? Who says so ? You or the bible .i really need your reply on this

unongu: The question has been well answered..

yes bro. Thanks for agreeing to the fact that i have answered it correctly. God bless

woky: Lol
ukuts means goat in togo.. I dnt blame u.. Mango!

while woky means??

unongu: It is not stated anywhere in the Bible that only adults should be baptized. Non-Catholics state that the act of baptism is a waste because the infant is not capable of knowing what is happening and has not yet received the Lord as their Savior. Let us take a look at the Jewish infants that were being circumcised. Did these infants know that at the moment they were being circumcised, they were making a covenant with God? There is no validity to the non-Catholic claim that only adults should be baptized. Apostle Paul shows us a parallel between circumcision and baptism in the book of Colossians 2:11-12, when he stated thus: “In whom also you are circumcised with circumcision not made by hand, in despoiling of the body of the flesh, but in the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, in whom also you are risen again by the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him up from the dead.”
There is baptism of adults in the New Testament because the converts then were grown adults. However, let us take some verses in the Bible that say otherwise:
Peter answered: "Each of you must repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, so that your sins may be forgiven. Then you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise of God was made to you and your children, and to all those from afar whom our God may call." (Acts 2:38-39)

“Well, I have also baptized the Stephanas family…” (1Cor 1:16)

“After she had been baptized together with her household, she invited us to her house…” (Acts 16:15)

The above Bible passages point to the fact that, it is not just adults that require baptism; children, family and household were baptized by the Apostles in the beginning of the mission so, why should we do otherwise?

i am going to really enlighten you on this your post. Now let me ask you this. You were clever enough not to include 'the art of baptism' and by this i mean why ur stance is not on baptism by immersion. Besides that bible passage you quoted, did paul say 'i sprinkled water on the children there'' pls answer accordingly. Thanks and God bless

Conner44: You sabi lie ehhn!

Which reverend father is jobless enough to give you audience self? Why stoop so low as to lie against am ordained priest? Is it because he is not on nairaland?

hahahhaha we both are saying the same thing. The rev. Never gave me audience. Hope ur not confused? u just repeated what i said in a re-phrased sentence.

Conner44: What do you know about the Bible? It seems you have like 20 Google search tabs open over there, indeed Google is your friend but you now want Google to have se.x with you?

I didn't say Jesus TOLD ONE MAN TO GO AND FORM THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

I said Jesus HANDED OVER THE CHURCH TO ONE MAN TO CARRY ON

spot the difference?

hahahha no be quarell now. Wettin be the man name?

Conner44: So because you were alive and your daddy started his church you now know it's history therefore you can defend your church anywhere abi?

Look, if I go to your FORE-FORE-FORE-FORE-GREAT-GREAT-GRAND-FATHER he will affirm that he knows about the Catholic Church, leave history for historians and build your own faith. Religion is between your God and yourself. It's better not to have known the scriptures at all than to know it out of context.

Oga, abegi, wetin be the name of your church and tell us it's history

lol. Eyah. See bro. Dis is why people tend to fail exams. Even when they clam to know the answers. Why? Poor analytics. I asked you a question which is 'what is the history of your church' you should have known why i asked you that. Since you are ignor-ant of that. Let me enlighten you. I asked you that because if you knew the history of your church well enough and you are a good student. You would agree with me that most (70 percent) of your doctrines were copied from pagans from ancient time. Yes u said history is for historians. We all are historians. Depends on how u look at it. If u need proof let me know. And finally i do have an evening service today. You are invited. Lets dance to the lord. God bless ..

The person who makes me laugh the most on here is woky. He hasnt said any meaningful thing here. He's just following the catholic train without ticket.woky, where is the book of ezra found in d bible?

Ukuts gp: the usual habit of the catholic

yeah! Tried asking a reverend some questions the other day. The man pretended to be making calls the whole day. After that. Was just giving flimsy excuses. Why? Nothing dey to talk. Hahahah

woky: ^^^


*tedious*

hahah . And truthful

Conner44: What do you mean by "was jesus a catholic", who was the person he handed his church over to before he ascended into heaven? Was it not the FIRST SAINT, FOUNDER and LEADER of the CATHOLIC CHURCH?

Oremi we don't have any answers for you, those questions are baseless and have been repeatedly answered on this same forum. So stop disturbing your peace (because we catholics are not bothered by you)

You and your church aren't BIG ENOUGH to challenge our doctrines

God and dance makossa at your service this evening (if your church has one)

MAY THE PEACE OF THE LORD BE WITH YOU

oops i detect pain and frustration here. Sorry bro besides did u see anywhere in the bible where it was stated that jesus said to one one man ''oya, go and form the catholic church''? Lol. This is delusion for sure.

unongu: Do Catholics worship Idols? That is what some non-Catholics insinuate, however, is there any concrete evidence that affirms this erroneous position? The answer is a classical NO.....

thanks for attempting the questions. Let me clarify you
The Bible is absolutely clear that we are to worship God alone. The only instances of anyone other than God receiving worship in the Bible are false gods, which are Satan and his demons. All followers of the Lord God refuse worship. Peter and the apostles refused to be worshipped ( Acts 10:25-26; 14:13-14). The holy angels refuse to be worshipped ( Revelation 19:10; 22:9). The response is always the same, "Worship God!"
Roman Catholics attempt to "bypass" these clear Scriptural principles by claiming they do not “worship” Mary or saints, but rather that they only "venerate" Mary and the saints. Using a different word does not change the essence of what is being done. A definition of "venerate" is "to regard with respect or reverence." Nowhere in the Bible are we told to revere anyone but God alone. There is nothing wrong with respecting those faithful Christians who have gone before us (see Hebrews chapter 11). There is nothing wrong with honoring Mary as the earthly mother of Jesus. The Bible describes Mary as "highly favored" by God ( Luke 1:28). At the same time, there is no instruction in the Bible to revere those whom have gone to Heaven. We are to follow their example, yes, but worship, revere, or venerate, no!
When forced to admit that they do, in fact, worship Mary, Catholics will claim that they worship God through her, by praising the wonderful creation that God has made. Mary, in their minds, is the most beautiful and wonderful creation of God, and by praising her, they are praising her Creator. For Catholics, this is analogous to directing praise to an artist by praising his sculpture or painting. The problem with this is that God explicitly commands against worshipping Him through created things. We are not to bow down and worship anything in the form of heaven above or earth below ( Exodus 20:4-5). Romans 1:25could not be more clear, "They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator — who is forever praised. Amen." Yes, God has created wonderful and amazing things. Yes, Mary was a godly woman who is worthy of our respect. No, we absolutely are not to worship God "vicariously" by praising things (or people) He has created. Doing so is blatant idolatry.
The major way Catholics "venerate" Mary and the saints is by praying to them. As the following article demonstrates, prayer to anyone other than God alone is anti-Biblical – praying to saints and Mary. Whether Mary and/or the saints are prayed to, or whether they are petitioned for their prayers – neither practice is Biblical. Prayer is an act of worship. When we pray to God, we are admitting that we need His help. Directing our prayers to anyone other than God is robbing God of the glory that is His alone.
Another way Catholics "venerate" Mary and the saints is by creating statues and images of them. Many Catholics use images of Mary and/or the saints as "good luck charms." Any cursory reading of the Bible will reveal this practice as blatant idolatry ( Exodus 20:4-6; 1 Corinthians 12:1-2; 1 John 5:21). Rubbing rosary beads is idolatry. Lighting candles before a statue or portrayal of a saint is idolatry. Burying a Joseph statue in hopes of selling your home (and countless other Catholic practices) is idolatry.
The terminology is not the issue. Whether the practice is described as "worship" or "veneration," or any other term, the problem is the same. Any time we ascribe something that belongs to God, to someone else, it is idolatry. The Bible nowhere instructs us to revere, pray to, rely on, or "idolize" anyone other than God. We are to worship God alone. Glory, praise, and honor belong to God alone. Only God is worthy to "...receive glory and honor and power..." ( Revelation 4:11). God alone is worthy to receive our worship, adoration, and praise ( Nehemiah 9:6; Revelation 15:4).

Finally finally. Somone has braced up courage to say something. Even though its not reasonable. Besides@ unongu, hope u made some book sales?

Eberex: you are blabbing!!! Pls read what you wrote.

lolz.they are even confused within themselves,

lilkech: Oh! So you admit that God is "THE OGA AT THE TOP", so why are you questioning our ways to get to our 'OGA AT THE TOP"?

instead of you to face your front you are looking from side to back... You will get accident oh!

Even in 99.9% of foreign movies it's the Catholic Church that is used to depict christianity. What is the name of your church again self? Who is your daddy (aka. General overseer)

Abeg leave PROUD CATHOLICS to keep on doing their thing oh jare!

mscheew

my dear dont sound so pathetic here. Am not dragging 'bigness' and 'smallness' in church and all that. I believe you can read. You catholics were asked to defend your doctrines yet you all shyed away and kept mute. Now am speaking on the doctrines you come back to say something else.

Ukuts gp: ur username says it all

gbam

Eberex: before i answer, what christian denomination are you?

oga what is your church history? Or you dont know? Besides the topic of the thread still stands .incase you've forgotten.

lacum: my broda, if u want this questn anawered, open another thread. but if u insist on posting it here ur wasting ur time.
i think u know d answers dats y kip posting here when u know we will neva answer u

did you have to quote all my posts for all these?i was scrolling down with hope thinking i would see an answer there

Eberex: We have nothing to defend here.

we are both saying the same thing. Hahhaha

Why do Roman Catholics always use 2 Timothy 2:2; 3:14 as Bible proof that extra-biblical oral tradition is to be followed through apostolic succession, when tradition says Timothy became the bishop of Ephesians, which through succession, is now part of the Greek Orthodox church headed out of Constantinople? If 2 Timothy 2:2 proves succession, doesn't this prove the Roman Catholic church is not part of that succession?

More!

If sola Scriptura cannot be the correct method of determining truth because of the religious division among churches that claim to use sola Scriptura, then does this not also disqualify the Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches method of using tradition, since they are divided against themselves?

@italo. If ur a true catholic and u feel what u believe in is the 'right' fin. Answer the questions below. Others are welcomed

1.If the Roman Catholic church gave the world the Bible, being infallible, then why did Rome reject or question the inspiration of James and Hebrews , then later accept it? Conversely, Rome accepted as scripture books that were later rejected. If the Catholic church really is illuminated by the Holy Spirit so that men can trust her as "God's organization", why was she so wrong about something so simple? Should not the "Holy See" have known?
2.If the Orthodox church gave the world the Bible, being infallible, then why did the eastern churches reject or question the inspiration of Revelation, then later accept it? Conversely, the east accepted as scripture books that were later rejected. If the Orthodox church really is illuminated by the Holy Spirit so that men can trust her as "God's organization", why was she so wrong about something so simple?
3.If the Roman Catholic church gave the world the Bible in 397 AD, then why did many different versions of canons continue to circulate long afterwards?
4.If the Roman Catholic church gave us the Bible, why were the two synods of Hippo (393 AD) and Carthage, (397 AD) African councils, and not initiatives of Rome?
5.Since the synod Carthage in 393 AD stated, "But let Church beyond sea (Rome) be consulted about confirming this canon", does this not prove that Rome had no direct input or initiative in determining the canon.
6.Since the two synods of Hippo (393 AD) and Carthage, (397 AD) were under the control of what would later become the "orthodox church", how can the Roman Catholic church claim they determined the Canon? Would not such a claim be more naturally due the Eastern Orthodox church?
7.If the Catholic church, "by her own inherent God given power and authority" gave the world the Bible, why did she not get it right the first time? Why did the Roman Catholic church wait until 1546 AD in the Council of Trent, to officially add the Apocrypha to the Canon?
8.Both Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox church leaders make the identical claim that they gave the world the Bible. If both the Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches make the same claim they gave the world the Bible, why do they have different books in each of their Bibles? Whose "church authority" shall we believe? Whose tradition is the one we should follow?
9.Provide a single example of a doctrine that originates from an oral Apostolic Tradition that the Bible is silent about? Provide proof that this doctrinal tradition is apostolic in origin.
10.Provide a single example of where inspired apostolic "oral revelation" (tradition) differed from "written" (scripture)?
11.If you are not permitted to engage in private interpretation of the Bible, how do you know which "apostolic tradition" is correct between the Roman Catholic, the Orthodox and the Watchtower churches, for all three teach the organization alone can interpret scripture correctly, to the exclusion of individual?
12.Why did God fail to provide an inspired and infallible list of Old Testament books to Israel? Why would God suddenly provide such a list only after Israel was destroyed in 70 AD?
13.How could the Jews know that books of Kings or Isaiah were Scripture?
14.If the Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches both believes that the scripture: "the church is the pillar and foundation of truth" means the church is protected from error then: a. Why do they teach doctrine so different that they are not even in communion with each other? b. How do you account for the vast number of documented theological errors made by the pope and the church in general?
15.If the both the Orthodox and Catholic churches follow apostolic oral tradition exactly, how come they teach doctrine so different, that they are not even in communion with each other?

try69: If you mean the "I love you", you tell the same loved one everytime, then why do you feel God will be angered by my repetitive meaningful prayer? Olodo

hahahha God bless you. Let me correct you cause its vivid that u didnt understand my post earlier. See bro. Making a repetitive prayer is not bad and as a matter of fact is not a sin.. See What am stressing on is d beads or chain.oops sorry rosary u use in praying ok. Can u Prrove that from the bible?.. Now can i ask you this, do you know your church history??

Let me point this out here.. Its quite amazing how somone professes in somtin he himself knows little or nothing about. Most of these catholics claim to be ''abiding by the dogmas' lol but barely know their church history. Yes church history.
Any intelligent catholic there? Hands up!

lilkech: FACT ALERT!

The Catholic church is the largest and oldest christian organization in the world. They are the originators of christianity as we all know it today. Their beliefs and doctrines stretch across every single corner of the whole world.

If you're a Christian but beef the doctrine of the Catholic Church, then you are just being rude to your "OGA AT THE TOP", only the religion of Islam can rival catholics. All other churches and religions are mediocre.

No other christian organization or body is older than 200yrs in Nigeria, there are approximately 1000 other protestant, pentecostal churches etc and if you are not a Catholic then you must belongto one of the very nnumerous MINORITY churches.

Stop questioning your Oga, it's not wise.

hahhahaha ''FACT ALERT'' . LOL

lilkech: FACT ALERT!

The Catholic church is the largest and oldest christian organization in the world. They are the originators of christianity as we all know it today. Their beliefs and doctrines stretch across every single corner of the whole world.

If you're a Christian but beef the doctrine of the Catholic Church, then you are just being rude to your "OGA AT THE TOP", only the religion of Islam can rival catholics. All other churches and religions are mediocre.

No other christian organization or body is older than 200yrs in Nigeria, there are approximately 1000 other protestant, pentecostal churches etc and if you are not a Catholic then you must belongto one of the very nnumerous MINORITY churches.

Stop questioning your Oga, it's not wise.

hahhaha no body is beefing any one here. I guess you read the topic of the thread. Kindly defend your gospel bro. Mind you. God is the Oga at the top. Hehehe