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Re: @ITALO. Catholics Please Defend Your Doctrines Here by adsonstone: 2:04pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
Eberex: You may as well help clarify the importance of tradition since 'many don't understand' as Ψσù have said. |
Re: @ITALO. Catholics Please Defend Your Doctrines Here by Eberex(m): 2:04pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
italo: you are blabbing!!! Pls read what you wrote. |
Re: @ITALO. Catholics Please Defend Your Doctrines Here by lilkech(m): 2:09pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
mavister: hahhaha no body is beefing any one here. I guess you read the topic of the thread. Kindly defend your gospel bro. Mind you. God is the Oga at the top. Hehehe Oh! So you admit that God is "THE OGA AT THE TOP", so why are you questioning our ways to get to our 'OGA AT THE TOP"? instead of you to face your front you are looking from side to back... You will get accident oh! Even in 99.9% of foreign movies it's the Catholic Church that is used to depict christianity. What is the name of your church again self? Who is your daddy (aka. General overseer) Abeg leave PROUD CATHOLICS to keep on doing their thing oh jare! mscheew |
Re: @ITALO. Catholics Please Defend Your Doctrines Here by Conner44: 2:14pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
Ukuts gp: ur username says it all It's doesn't change the fact that she is right. Stop hating the Catholic Church, it is bigger than you, your family, your generation, your village , your home town, your state of origin, your country, your continent andyyour existence. Only the HOLY TRINITY supersedes the Catholic Church |
Re: @ITALO. Catholics Please Defend Your Doctrines Here by Nobody: 2:15pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
@ITALO I have formed another thread without your name as the subject. make I see another reason you have to dogde. https://www.nairaland.com/1522201/defend-catholic-teachings-here |
Re: @ITALO. Catholics Please Defend Your Doctrines Here by mavister(m): 2:59pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
Ukuts gp: ur username says it allgbam |
Re: @ITALO. Catholics Please Defend Your Doctrines Here by mavister(m): 3:04pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
lilkech:my dear dont sound so pathetic here. Am not dragging 'bigness' and 'smallness' in church and all that. I believe you can read. You catholics were asked to defend your doctrines yet you all shyed away and kept mute. Now am speaking on the doctrines you come back to say something else. |
Re: @ITALO. Catholics Please Defend Your Doctrines Here by mavister(m): 3:10pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
Eberex:lolz.they are even confused within themselves, |
Re: @ITALO. Catholics Please Defend Your Doctrines Here by unongu(m): 3:13pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
mavister: Worshipping idols, icons and images violates the 2nd commandment.Do Catholics worship Idols? That is what some non-Catholics insinuate, however, is there any concrete evidence that affirms this erroneous position? The answer is a classical NO. This is one of the most common misconceptions about the Catholic faith. Many well-intentioned, God-loving Christians of various denominations have heard this mistruth from trusted but ignorant teachers over the years, or have read it in books that claim to “expose” what they believe to be the Catholic faith. Unfortunately, as with most misconceptions, these conclusions are drawn with little or no true understanding of the faith or of the practice, or the purpose in question. The worshipping of Idols and statues is a sin. The Holy Bible teaches that it is wrong. In the book of Exodus 20:4-5, the Bible states “Do not make yourself a carved image of any likeness of anything in heaven, or on the earth beneath, or in the waters under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them. For I, Yahweh your God, am a jealous God; for the sin of the fathers, when they rebel against me, I punish the sons, the grandsons, and the great grandsons”. The Modern Catholic Dictionary defines Idol as “Any creature that is given divine honors. It need not be a figure or representation, and may be a person. In fact, it may be one’s self or some creation of one's own mind or will. An object becomes an idol when it is treated as an end in itself, with no reference to God.” Attention should be paid to the fact that, the charge here is for mankind not to worship any idol or carved image, however, images could be used for purposes other than worship. In the Bible, for instance, God ordered His children through Moses to construct statues and images, but He did not intend for His children to worship them. God was using the images to help them to recall situations, to see places as holy and set apart, and to help them to open their minds and hearts and turn them back to God. It should be noted that an image is not an idol. According to the Modern Catholic Dictionary, an image is “A representation or likeness of something. It corresponds to "exemplar" and implies that one thing (the image) is both a reflection and pattern of something else. In this sense the word has come to mean an attitudinal or judgmental reaction toward a person, an institution, or a people. Thus we now speak of "image makers" or "image builders" to describe the use of publicity and propaganda to create or maintain a favorable impression before the public.” The Catholic Church, following God's revelation to Israel, has always been in the forefront against idol worship. The Catholic Church has never advocated idol worship. The images in Catholic churches are not idols because divine worship is not given to them. The veneration of images in the Catholic Church bequeaths honour paid to representations of Christ and the Saints. Reverend Father John A. Hardon posits thus: “The purpose of images is to adorn, instruct, and excite to piety those who behold, wear, or carry images on their persons. According to the Council of Trent, images of Christ, of the Mother of God, and other canonized saints are to be kept in churches and due honor paid to them not because there is any divinity or power inherent in them as images, but because the honor shown to them is referred to the prototypes they represent. Through the worship and reverence so shown, the faithful really worship Christ and honor the saints whose likenesses they display. In other words, the veneration is relative, always being referred back to the original, never absolute as though the material object is being venerated in and for itself.” |
Re: @ITALO. Catholics Please Defend Your Doctrines Here by unongu(m): 3:15pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
mavister: Baptism is full immersion in water, not sprinkling.It is not stated anywhere in the Bible that only adults should be baptized. Non-Catholics state that the act of baptism is a waste because the infant is not capable of knowing what is happening and has not yet received the Lord as their Savior. Let us take a look at the Jewish infants that were being circumcised. Did these infants know that at the moment they were being circumcised, they were making a covenant with God? There is no validity to the non-Catholic claim that only adults should be baptized. Apostle Paul shows us a parallel between circumcision and baptism in the book of Colossians 2:11-12, when he stated thus: “In whom also you are circumcised with circumcision not made by hand, in despoiling of the body of the flesh, but in the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, in whom also you are risen again by the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him up from the dead.” There is baptism of adults in the New Testament because the converts then were grown adults. However, let us take some verses in the Bible that say otherwise: Peter answered: "Each of you must repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, so that your sins may be forgiven. Then you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise of God was made to you and your children, and to all those from afar whom our God may call." (Acts 2:38-39) “Well, I have also baptized the Stephanas family…” (1Cor 1:16) “After she had been baptized together with her household, she invited us to her house…” (Acts 16:15) The above Bible passages point to the fact that, it is not just adults that require baptism; children, family and household were baptized by the Apostles in the beginning of the mission so, why should we do otherwise? |
Re: @ITALO. Catholics Please Defend Your Doctrines Here by Mrlouis: 3:25pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
" Systematic Murder of Believers--The Untold History of the Inquisition" (this article is written by a former Roman Catholic priest). It is said thatduring the approximately 600 years of the Roman Catholic Inquisition, tens of millions of Christians were tortured and murdered.Why the killing spree? Primarily to suppress any and all opposition to her heresies. "Side benefits" included taking the material wealth of her victims and showing the pope's power terrorizing people and keeping them in line believing Romish superstitions and heresies.Roman Catholic agents have tortured, crippled, burned, murdered, mutilated, and imprisioned millions of Christians. Rome's inquisitors hunted down Christians and had whole towns and cities wiped out, murdered.Whatever happened to love your enemies (ref. Matthew 5:44)?A look at papal decrees and letters reveals that the Inquisition was carried outunder the instigation and authority of the popes of Rome(e.g. Pope Innocent IV's 1252 A.D. bull, "Ad Extirpanda" which gives laws and commands "To root up from the midst of Christian people the weed of heretical wickedness." Law 4 instructs the "twelve upright and Catholic men" et al (of Law 3) as follows-- "Those...appointed may and should seize the heretical men and women and carry off their possessions and cause these to be carried off by others...".The office of the Inquisition has only changed its name--according to wikipedia, it was "Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition" and it is now called "Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith" (CDF) (Congregatio pro Doctrina Fidei). |
Re: @ITALO. Catholics Please Defend Your Doctrines Here by Mrlouis: 3:28pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
mavister: lolz.they are even confused within themselves,thought i was the only one who noticed it. |
Re: @ITALO. Catholics Please Defend Your Doctrines Here by Mrlouis: 3:30pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
Conner44:stop wasting time. Answer my questions. Besides was jesus a catholic? Why all this 'my church is the biggest'? Ok if it wil please u. My church is the smallest. You ok now? |
Re: @ITALO. Catholics Please Defend Your Doctrines Here by Mrlouis: 3:35pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
mavister:such a briliant question. Most of them dont even know the history of their church. If i was a catholic and cant defend my self ehn? It would be shameful o. I wonder how they still have mouth to reply after they havent answered my questions. Shame shame .yuk! |
Re: @ITALO. Catholics Please Defend Your Doctrines Here by mavister(m): 3:40pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
Finally finally. Somone has braced up courage to say something. Even though its not reasonable. Besides@ unongu, hope u made some book sales? |
Re: @ITALO. Catholics Please Defend Your Doctrines Here by mavister(m): 3:44pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
unongu: Do Catholics worship Idols? That is what some non-Catholics insinuate, however, is there any concrete evidence that affirms this erroneous position? The answer is a classical NO.....thanks for attempting the questions. Let me clarify you The Bible is absolutely clear that we are to worship God alone. The only instances of anyone other than God receiving worship in the Bible are false gods, which are Satan and his demons. All followers of the Lord God refuse worship. Peter and the apostles refused to be worshipped ( Acts 10:25-26; 14:13-14). The holy angels refuse to be worshipped ( Revelation 19:10; 22:9). The response is always the same, "Worship God!" Roman Catholics attempt to "bypass" these clear Scriptural principles by claiming they do not “worship” Mary or saints, but rather that they only "venerate" Mary and the saints. Using a different word does not change the essence of what is being done. A definition of "venerate" is "to regard with respect or reverence." Nowhere in the Bible are we told to revere anyone but God alone. There is nothing wrong with respecting those faithful Christians who have gone before us (see Hebrews chapter 11). There is nothing wrong with honoring Mary as the earthly mother of Jesus. The Bible describes Mary as "highly favored" by God ( Luke 1:28). At the same time, there is no instruction in the Bible to revere those whom have gone to Heaven. We are to follow their example, yes, but worship, revere, or venerate, no! When forced to admit that they do, in fact, worship Mary, Catholics will claim that they worship God through her, by praising the wonderful creation that God has made. Mary, in their minds, is the most beautiful and wonderful creation of God, and by praising her, they are praising her Creator. For Catholics, this is analogous to directing praise to an artist by praising his sculpture or painting. The problem with this is that God explicitly commands against worshipping Him through created things. We are not to bow down and worship anything in the form of heaven above or earth below ( Exodus 20:4-5). Romans 1:25could not be more clear, "They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator — who is forever praised. Amen." Yes, God has created wonderful and amazing things. Yes, Mary was a godly woman who is worthy of our respect. No, we absolutely are not to worship God "vicariously" by praising things (or people) He has created. Doing so is blatant idolatry. The major way Catholics "venerate" Mary and the saints is by praying to them. As the following article demonstrates, prayer to anyone other than God alone is anti-Biblical – praying to saints and Mary. Whether Mary and/or the saints are prayed to, or whether they are petitioned for their prayers – neither practice is Biblical. Prayer is an act of worship. When we pray to God, we are admitting that we need His help. Directing our prayers to anyone other than God is robbing God of the glory that is His alone. Another way Catholics "venerate" Mary and the saints is by creating statues and images of them. Many Catholics use images of Mary and/or the saints as "good luck charms." Any cursory reading of the Bible will reveal this practice as blatant idolatry ( Exodus 20:4-6; 1 Corinthians 12:1-2; 1 John 5:21). Rubbing rosary beads is idolatry. Lighting candles before a statue or portrayal of a saint is idolatry. Burying a Joseph statue in hopes of selling your home (and countless other Catholic practices) is idolatry. The terminology is not the issue. Whether the practice is described as "worship" or "veneration," or any other term, the problem is the same. Any time we ascribe something that belongs to God, to someone else, it is idolatry. The Bible nowhere instructs us to revere, pray to, rely on, or "idolize" anyone other than God. We are to worship God alone. Glory, praise, and honor belong to God alone. Only God is worthy to "...receive glory and honor and power..." ( Revelation 4:11). God alone is worthy to receive our worship, adoration, and praise ( Nehemiah 9:6; Revelation 15:4). |
Re: @ITALO. Catholics Please Defend Your Doctrines Here by Conner44: 3:49pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
Mrlouis: stop wasting time. Answer my questions. Besides was jesus a catholic? Why all this 'my church is the biggest'? Ok if it wil please u. My church is the smallest. You ok now? What do you mean by "was jesus a catholic", who was the person he handed his church over to before he ascended into heaven? Was it not the FIRST SAINT, FOUNDER and LEADER of the CATHOLIC CHURCH? Oremi we don't have any answers for you, those questions are baseless and have been repeatedly answered on this same forum. So stop disturbing your peace (because we catholics are not bothered by you) You and your church aren't BIG ENOUGH to challenge our doctrines God and dance makossa at your service this evening (if your church has one) MAY THE PEACE OF THE LORD BE WITH YOU |
Re: @ITALO. Catholics Please Defend Your Doctrines Here by woky: 3:54pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
mavister: thanks for attempting the questions. Let me clarify you^^^ *tedious* |
Re: @ITALO. Catholics Please Defend Your Doctrines Here by Ukutsgp(m): 3:58pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
Conner44:the usual habit of the catholic |
Re: @ITALO. Catholics Please Defend Your Doctrines Here by mavister(m): 3:59pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
Conner44:oops i detect pain and frustration here. Sorry bro besides did u see anywhere in the bible where it was stated that jesus said to one one man ''oya, go and form the catholic church''? Lol. This is delusion for sure. |
Re: @ITALO. Catholics Please Defend Your Doctrines Here by Conner44: 4:00pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
Mrlouis: such a briliant question. Most of them dont even know the history of their church. If i was a catholic and cant defend my self ehn? It would be shameful o. I wonder how they still have mouth to reply after they havent answered my questions. Shame shame .yuk! So because you were alive and your daddy started his church you now know it's history therefore you can defend your church anywhere abi? Look, if I go to your FORE-FORE-FORE-FORE-GREAT-GREAT-GRAND-FATHER he will affirm that he knows about the Catholic Church, leave history for historians and build your own faith. Religion is between your God and yourself. It's better not to have known the scriptures at all than to know it out of context. Oga, abegi, wetin be the name of your church and tell us it's history |
Re: @ITALO. Catholics Please Defend Your Doctrines Here by mavister(m): 4:01pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
woky: ^^^hahah . And truthful |
Re: @ITALO. Catholics Please Defend Your Doctrines Here by mavister(m): 4:04pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
Ukuts gp: the usual habit of the catholicyeah! Tried asking a reverend some questions the other day. The man pretended to be making calls the whole day. After that. Was just giving flimsy excuses. Why? Nothing dey to talk. Hahahah |
Re: @ITALO. Catholics Please Defend Your Doctrines Here by mavister(m): 4:07pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
The person who makes me laugh the most on here is woky. He hasnt said any meaningful thing here. He's just following the catholic train without ticket.woky, where is the book of ezra found in d bible? |
Re: @ITALO. Catholics Please Defend Your Doctrines Here by Conner44: 4:09pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
mavister: oops i detect pain and frustration here. Sorrydifference? esides did u see anywhere in the bible where it was stated that jesus said to one one man ''oya, go and form the catholic church''? Lol. This is delusion for sure. What do you know about the Bible? It seems you have like 20 Google search tabs open over there, indeed Google is your friend but you now want Google to have se.x with you? I didn't say Jesus TOLD ONE MAN TO GO AND FORM THE CATHOLIC CHURCH I said Jesus HANDED OVER THE CHURCH TO ONE MAN TO CARRY ON spot the difference? |
Re: @ITALO. Catholics Please Defend Your Doctrines Here by Conner44: 4:12pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
mavister: yeah! Tried asking a reverend some questions the other day. The man pretended to be making calls the whole day. After that. Was just giving flimsy excuses. Why? Nothing dey to talk. Hahahah You sabi lie ehhn! Which reverend father is jobless enough to give you audience self? Why stoop so low as to lie against am ordained priest? Is it because he is not on nairaland? |
Re: @ITALO. Catholics Please Defend Your Doctrines Here by mavister(m): 4:14pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
Conner44:lol. Eyah. See bro. Dis is why people tend to fail exams. Even when they clam to know the answers. Why? Poor analytics. I asked you a question which is 'what is the history of your church' you should have known why i asked you that. Since you are ignor-ant of that. Let me enlighten you. I asked you that because if you knew the history of your church well enough and you are a good student. You would agree with me that most (70 percent) of your doctrines were copied from pagans from ancient time. Yes u said history is for historians. We all are historians. Depends on how u look at it. If u need proof let me know. And finally i do have an evening service today. You are invited. Lets dance to the lord. God bless .. |
Re: @ITALO. Catholics Please Defend Your Doctrines Here by mavister(m): 4:15pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
Conner44:hahahha no be quarell now. Wettin be the man name? |
Re: @ITALO. Catholics Please Defend Your Doctrines Here by Conner44: 4:17pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
mavister: lol. Eyah. See bro. Dis is why people tend to fail exams. Even when they clam to know the answers. Why? Poor analytics. I asked you a question which is 'what is the history of your church' you should have known why i asked you that. Since you are ignor-ant of that. Let me enlighten you. I asked you that because if you knew the history of your church well enough and you are a good student. You would agree with me that most (70 percent) of your doctrines were copied from pagans from ancient time. Yes u said history is for historians. We all are historians. Depends on how u look at it. If u need proof let me know. And finally i do have an evening service today. You are invited. Lets dance to the lord. God bless .. I am a catholic I have learned some new dance moves What's the name of your own church and address I feel like clubbing tonight |
Re: @ITALO. Catholics Please Defend Your Doctrines Here by Conner44: 4:18pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
mavister: hahahha no be quarell now. Wettin be the man name? Ask Google As usual |
Re: @ITALO. Catholics Please Defend Your Doctrines Here by mavister(m): 4:19pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
Conner44:hahahhaha we both are saying the same thing. The rev. Never gave me audience. Hope ur not confused? u just repeated what i said in a re-phrased sentence. |
Re: @ITALO. Catholics Please Defend Your Doctrines Here by Ukutsgp(m): 4:19pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
@mavister. Thank u for that exposition. It goes to prove that u are thoroughly grounded in the word of God. |
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